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On February 04 2014 08:23 marvellosity wrote: Given this is a vengeful game, this is probably the stupidest thing you could possibly have written. Every single person that gets lynched can shoot me if they so please. I have to admit. The VERY first thing I thought of when I heard you were playing was just shooting you for the fun of it. | ||
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On February 04 2014 08:23 marvellosity wrote: Given this is a vengeful game, this is probably the stupidest thing you could possibly have written. Every single person that gets lynched can shoot me if they so please. That was clearly a joke right? Dno why you would treat it like it meant something. | ||
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On February 04 2014 08:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Whoa. Weird how DP is apparently on the same page as me. Lel. I guess I expect more than rank stupidity from you wave. <3 | ||
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First, before we lynch someone we should make sure we know who they are going to shoot. Second, we should extend the days for as long as possible. If someone quick hammers I will be fucking furious. (looking at you rayn) | ||
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On February 04 2014 09:02 WaveofShadow wrote: You should never expect more than that. Just be pleasantly surprised. lol, I like that philosophy. | ||
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On February 04 2014 09:15 DarthPunk wrote: The difference with those claims is the undertone of fake claiming mafia in order for mafia to out themselves. I guess artanis kind of did this though. | ||
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On February 04 2014 09:44 marvellosity wrote: That's because there's nothing to like about it. I'd hoped Holy was going to present it a bit more seriously tbh. Wait wtf? Did you know he was going to do that before it happened? Care to elaborate? | ||
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On February 04 2014 09:38 marvellosity wrote: If you annoy me I'll just have you lynched, so go ahead No one is lynching people just because they annoy you marv. | ||
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Firstly you were in Titanic II so you know that that is my position on scum claims. Vayne claimed scum and I pushed for his lynch. Secondly I differentiate between Artanis claiming scum and Wave poking at marv cause I don;t see the point of ever claiming scum as town. Thirdly, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about when you say I'm trying to weave a fabrication in the thread. I want to know how artanis feels about scum claims in general in order to learn something of his mindset. And lastly there was a good reason. I was commenting on something wave posted in which that very thing had happened. | ||
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Like what does that even mean? | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:20 Holyflare wrote: This. Specifically. You aren't pushing for a lynch on Artanis. In fact, you rationalised SOMEHOW that his fake claim was the same as the one WoS linked that was trying to draw out other mafia claims. That is because it is an IML game and there is no reason not to use time and wait for him to say stuff. Further I don't like voting early in IML because I like having the hammer. I asked artanis questions and am waiting for him to respond. I commented on some other examples of scum claims that wave provided, I didn't rationalise. He asked someone if they were scum too. That is the exact same thing holyflare. | ||
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Why have you made two shitty cases on me in a row for seemingly no reasons? | ||
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On February 04 2014 09:15 DarthPunk wrote: I guess artanis kind of did this though. He literally asked you if you were mafia in that post Holyflare, so how the fuck do you not know what I am talking about? | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote: I fail to see how pointing out the blatant disparity between your posts makes my case shitty. You say you're waiting for artanis to respond about his "mindset", what the hell is he going to say??? "I think people that claim mafia should be lynched at all costs" or what? Nothing he can possibly reply is alignment indicative in any way shape or form so waiting for it is useless and thus his post becomes massive wifom. Why not pressure him to reply on alternate points in the game to see how he responds instead? Other people may not have contributed but they haven't been playing objectively scummy on first glance. (maybe wave but I want to wait till hey gets to a computer). You have no idea how I was going to follow up those questions holyflare, I basically had the same situation occur in the other game I'm in and I handled it the same way. Just because you don't understand what I am trying to do does not mean you need to shit all over me for it and ruin anything I may have asked him as a follow up by forcing me to respond to your shit case. | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:37 Holyflare wrote: Yes. Blatant asking is definitely "undertones". Quite clear there. FUCKING SEMANTICS HOLYFLARE. I GUESS HE DID THE SAME THING MEANS EXACTLY THAT. HOW ARE YOU TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND THAT HOLY FUCK. | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:38 iamperfection wrote: dp what do you think of holy so far alignment wise? Fucking awful. Pushing awful cases for no reason makes zero fucking sense to me. | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:43 Holyflare wrote: Much angry. Many scum. OK. I'm ignoring you from now on. What the fuck is the point of this post but to make me more furious. | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:45 iamperfection wrote: dp can get emotional as town. answer my question dp its quite a simple one. I did. | ||
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Fucking awful alignment is not scum? ok SCDFU SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM. | ||
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##unvote ##vote:Dp Fuck you all /out | ||
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Example two. Calling me out for saying artanis did something that holyflare KNEW HE DID BECAUSE HE SAID IT TO HOLYFLARE. WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK. | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:56 marvellosity wrote: Like if he said he would do this pre-game, why on earth are you getting so angry about it? Hello? Earth calling the sensible part of DP's brain? BEcause it is fucking dumb and the whole point of it is to troll me for no fucking reason. | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:57 iamperfection wrote: how does that make him mafia dear? Your being totally unreasonable. I don't know if he is mafia and I don't care. I want him to die. | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:58 marvellosity wrote: The meta case was clearly not serious. And no Holy's case, 2 hours into the game, was not the sexiest case I've ever seen in the history of mafia. So what? He is pushing my fucking buttons. He is trying to make me rage by doing things he knows make me rage. And surprise it worked. | ||
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NIce I have a shot then isn't it. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote: I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring. I hate people who vote themselves in IML. Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle. It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:11 Promethelax wrote: marv baby, talk to me about Artanis. Is his mafia claim in any way alignment indicative, I'm inclined to say no since well...that is dumb. I don't see him being more likely or less likely to post that as either alignment and until someone finds a quote saying "I would never claim scum as town" -artanis, I won't believe that to be a real reason to find him scummy. Scumare more likely to claim scum because it makes no sense for town to do it but it does make sense for scum to do it for that very reason. The player I was referencing in my other game did it and I questioned him about it in a similar way that I questioned artanis. He flipped scum. the simplest answer is: If there is no reason to do something as town then that person is very likely not to be town. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote: one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments. Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger. That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum. | ||
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No but I think it is true more often than it is not true. That being said, one of the reasons I was trying to question artanis before holyflare provoked me was that Vayne had just claimed scum as town in TItanic II, so town CAN be retarded enough to claim scum as a joke. The other thing was that Artanis makes retarded fake claims at the start of the game all the time as both alignments. So I think there would have been some value in trying to question him about it. Definitely, I think he is more likely to be scum than town and seems like a reasonably good lynch, but we should make use of the day and try and get some stances out of him before we decide anything. Further we need to know who he wants to shoot if he flips. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:17 iamperfection wrote: do you remember this dp? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=25#482 Yes. That is why you calling me scum for it is dumb. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote: Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on. Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play). Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip. So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia Yeah that is true. I hadn't thought of it like that. I think in general though bussing is less valuable in this setup than in general. Cause if you bus the flip is hidden flip and you don't get all that juicy town cred. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:25 iamperfection wrote: specifically why would you say something like this when you know it isn't true. It is true. More likely. of course there are exceptions. And if anyone was going to be an exception it would be artanis for the reasons stated. Still makes no sense to do that as town and does make sense for mafia. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:24 iamperfection wrote: then why didn't you learn anything from it. Because people intentionally trolling me makes me emotional. and that is sometimes difficult to control. If everyone could control their emotions all the time that would be great. It is also impossible. Why are you calling me scum for doing the same thing that I did to you as town? When you clearly remember that situation enough to quote it to me? | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:24 marvellosity wrote: If the last person who did it was town, why does that make Artanis a reasonably good lynch in this instance? No the last person who did it was scum in the game I'm playing at the moment. But there is precedent for it being done as town which is why I wanted to question him about it before screaming for his death. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:30 Promethelax wrote: Explain in a calm, rational, manner what a scum gains from this. I know you said its a thing scum would never do so instant town cred but you are also saying its a thing town would never do. Clearly someone has just done it and it has been done before so can you answer me which it is? Do town or scum never claim scum in the thread? Firstly don't condescend to me prome. My recent posts have been calm and rational so there is no fucking reason to say that. Secondly the reason you do it as scum is because it is a WIFOM bomb. People will think there is no way scum would claim scum so clearly this guy is not scum. I would ask you the same thing in reverse. For what reason would town ever claim scum? | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:28 marvellosity wrote: DP, the issue I have is that everything I've bolded feels/sounds extremely premature. What does that mean? | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:32 iamperfection wrote: because you eventually tried to hunt scum. I don't think your doing that if you contest that holy would be your shot. You know if you have a fault you should try to fix it. I would have shot you in that other game just because I was mad. So not alignment indicative at all. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:36 marvellosity wrote: It means that Artanis has done one possibly slightly alignment indicative thing, and you're already talking about wanting to see who he shoots if we flip him, and "making use of the day" as if it's some obvious conclusion. There's rather a long road between A and B there Which is why I only asked him the questions I wanted to ask him and then dropped it for the time being. I am not saying anyone should have done all that immediately nor did I try to. That was the basic progression I had in mind in terms of artanis. And obviously I wanted the chance to question him and see where that lead first. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:38 iamperfection wrote: bullshit you put shit aside and hunted scum. Like 24 hours later. I literally went to bed in between. Read the thread you are quoting. This game is 3 hours old or something. Not the same thing. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote: Because they can, townies like to do silly shit to start games. Happens all the time. There are more productive ways to do that then claiming scum. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:41 Promethelax wrote: No argument from me. But it isn't outside the wheelhouse of most town players and you yourself said that it is a thing Artanis does regularly as either alignment. Well he claims jester a lot as both alignments. but you are not wrong. That is the reason I wanted to talk to him before holyflare took a big shit all over me. | ||
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On January 20 2014 09:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hey guys. I'm Mafia. What roles did you guys get? | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:46 iamperfection wrote: that is false maybe you should read the thread im quoting. Yeah you are right. My bad. I seem to vividly remember marv telling me to go to bed in that game. Maybe I am thinking of another game. | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:50 marvellosity wrote: I thought so too, but I want DP to answer me I'm looking. | ||
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Why would you do it as town though? What is the reason behind it as town. It just makes no fucking sense for town to do that. | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:04 Promethelax wrote: no reason for town, no reason for scum, yes reason for Artanis. Got it. Not alignment indicative. Move on to something else. There is a reason for scum to do it tho, to wifom the town. | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:05 Promethelax wrote: So do you have any reads on any players? Besides 'wait and see?' Not really. We have infinite time so I don't see why we should rush things. | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:07 Promethelax wrote: I'm sorry, I just don't see it. If town never did it there would be no wifom. If there is wifom than all it is is wifom. Maybe I just value wifom more than you do as a tool to deceive the town. | ||
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Still enough to talk things out. I don't know why you are pushing me. Should I push some reads I don't believe in Prome? would that make you happy? | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:09 Promethelax wrote: I don't think its a bad tool for scum, I just think it is a bad reason to read someone as scum. If something makes no sense for town and makes sense for scum then that is a legit reason for someone to be scummy. | ||
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What are they and why? | ||
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Why are you presenting cephiro as one of your reads when he is basically a policy lynch? Why not just call him a policy lynch? | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok caught up. I'm comfortable with my vote where it is despite the findings that Artanis specifically does this all the time as either alignment, on voice, at weddings and at barmitzvahs. DP the salt overflowing from this thread has raised my blood pressure. I'd stick you with a solid townread but I worry simply because I figure you're smart enough to know that kind of reaction is what people expect from you. I also have a bunch of townreads already in this game and there's only room for so many (and I'm hesitant to dump scumreads simply on lurkers). I want to talk to you but I think the current topics have been done to death a little. What do you make of marv? That is the correct play. I am town though. About marv. He has been absolutely fucking useless. He bitched about me raging, talked about artanis not being scum or town and that is about it. He did make one post I liked though: On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote: The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically. Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off. Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh. Maybe Artanis is town and he's not going to bow to the will of the people, but if he's in danger of being lynched, it should be clear how and why his top suspect is, and we can go off that. So if I assume you're town, DP, then whatever it takes for this not to happen is what you gotta do. Because I'm not having tits throw this game away because they're pissed off and they want to shoot people. This seemed like a genuine attempt to get the town on track. but still it is very easy to fake something like that as scum. What do you think? | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:22 Promethelax wrote: Its almost as if I explained it in that post. Try reading it. OK prome are you going to meet me halfway here and answer my questions and engage in a conversation or are you going to just keep telling me to read things. Honestly the latter is boring and not very productive. | ||
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##vote:promethelax No reason to refuse to answer questions and engage in a discourse if you are town. Further I wouldn't expect the town prome I've played in a tonne of games with to act that way. | ||
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On February 04 2014 12:31 Promethelax wrote: Sorry, that wasn't productive, mad at people who are not you. two reasons 1: gut says people present are town for various reasons. I would bet good money that at least one of ceph/rayn are scum 2. it was a change of topic from the DP thinks Art is scum for something prome thinks is not alignment indicative. Amd I was/am bored with that topic. Well neither of those things were in the post you told me to read so.... What do you think of marv? Feel free to ask me things too. | ||
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But like If he thought I was scum then why is he telling me to calm down like my emotion is genuine. If you think I am scum would you view my rage as genuine? I don't think so and it is fucking off. | ||
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On February 04 2014 13:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Artanis, HF, mebbe DP. I don't like giving iamp a townread because I feel he hasn't contributed much but I give him one anyway for 'feels+' reasons. You're probably somewhere above DP level right now, on towny side of null. This honestly makes me sad. Im totes town. | ||
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What have you don marv? read your own filter. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: DarthPunk what do you think of my post about marv/prome? To be honest the way marv acted around my rage out with holy flare was not alignment indicative at all. I would expect marv to act the same way and call it dumb and mock me a bit for it either way. He has been useless so far though aside from the post a pointed out. Which felt good. The thing is though that that vote is just a really easy thing for him to jump on his reasoning is total crap. I called him useless when he has barely done anything and just seems like a cop out to be honest. Marv is scummy for that reason, I would expect him to have done more in terms of scum hunting with plenty of stuff to analyze now, and the vote is just fucking bandwagoning onto thread sentiment with no reasoning at all. I expect better from marvs town play, and I honestly think town marv would realise I'm town by now as I have raged out several times just like this as town. As to prome. Yeah the pushing the asleep people was fucking weird, and I had not noticed his lack of follow up on HF actually. Also it was weird how defensive he was about answering questions and promoting discussion with me and then he backflipped about it when I voted for him. I want to see what prome has to say now that holy flare has posted two big cases in the thread. What do you think about artanis' scum claim? | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:18 marvellosity wrote: I'm just obviously town, and anyone who can't see that is bad or scum. That is fucking bullshit reasoning. You think you are obviously town. So if someone calls you useless or scummy they must be scum. Or bad. and so we should insta vote them because you think you are obviously town. | ||
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Obvious pressure vote is obvious. you should have read into that easily. Wtf is wrong with you. That was like the most obvious "get talking please" vote ever. Like I just don't see how you are reading anything from basic shit like that. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:23 marvellosity wrote: Stop being bad DP I know you can't help yourself, but do try Fuck off marv. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think it's alignment indicative at all. marv, wtf are you doing? But you thought Jepg was suspicious for doing it on Vendetta strada. Why not artanis here? | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:25 marvellosity wrote: I'll fuck off if you stop being terrible, how's that? How about YOU stop being terrible. You are just heaping shit on me because you can. There is no reason to do so. And you are not as obviously town looking as you say you are. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:26 marvellosity wrote: EBWOP: ##Vote: raynpelikoneet Care to give like one actual reason for your vote this time? | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:27 marvellosity wrote: Look, both of you dopeydrawers. You gloated like morons that "marv was so easy to catch" in Shadow. Well, now this is a different game, so you should both be able to read my alignment super easily. So either you were bullshitting in Shadow, you're bullshitting here, or you're mafia, or some combination of the above. Which is it to be? So basically your ego is bruised that we caught you day one in the last game and you are taking it out on us here. Cool. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:28 marvellosity wrote: I'm guessing the answer is just "DP is a bullshitter, but when he's asked to put his money where his mouth is, he's not as good as he thinks after all and can't give a proper read even though it should be super easy" am i right? yes? good. Why so butthurt marv? | ||
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You are voting based on your bruised ego, gave no reasoning for your votes, and have not made a case on either of the people you voted for based on events in the game. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:31 marvellosity wrote: So you can't read and you're terrible. Well done. Like your whole case is that we are either awful for not thinking you are town when you have done nothing or mafia, based on us calling you scum in a podcast that you have not even listened to or heard the reasoning behind the read in said podcast. You have no idea how we read you in the last game but you are just waving your epeen around because we called you scum that game and are not calling you town based on nothing this game. Man. I don't even know what to say. I am basically going to ignore you if you are going to act like this. I'm actually just trying to play the fucking game and people keep saying dumb as fuck things. Sigh. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:33 marvellosity wrote: This is actually hilarious given Shadow. I love you DP. Bullshit4lyfe! <3 You actually don't know what the fuck you are talking about because you haven't even listened to the podcast. I'm sorry that you place so much value in this game that you would clearly bring a vendetta from the obs of a previous game. That is just sad tbh. Anyway this conversation is pointless. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:34 marvellosity wrote: "vote marv" "because he's doing these things he almost exclusively does as town, and I always vote him for and he's always town because of them" bravo, sir, bravo. Just keep shitting up the thread marv. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:39 marvellosity wrote: I don't care how you read me that game. You're now in this game and you can't read me so easily, can you?. So you're a bullshitter. Just wanted that to be clear to everyone. You're even voting me for totally non-alignment indicative reasons. So i'm town. Is that what you are saying? Why did you vote for me then? | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:39 marvellosity wrote: I've literally said it's not a vendetta and I'm not raging. Is that hard to read? You say that. But that is quite obviously not the case marv. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:41 marvellosity wrote: Why don't you tell me why you're voting me for reasons that make me town rather than mafia? That's game related even! You say you are town. I don't say that at all. I don't know why you would shit up the thread so badly as town tbh. But I would much rather you be dead than alive regardless of your alignment sadly. Unless you find it within yourself to actually play this game instead of make posts steeped in bitterness about a fucking podcast. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:47 marvellosity wrote: Your face is an alltime low for this site Class. Like look at the bullshit posts you are making. Why the fuck would you do this to the thread as town, if , as you claim, you are not just butthurt about being called scum. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:48 marvellosity wrote: Anyway I've amused myself with the fact you can't read me at all DP. How about we kill rayn instead? No you. Basically I want to lynch you. And If I get lynched I am shooting you. The reason is the last few pages of your bullshit. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:49 marvellosity wrote: Holyflare made what was quite clearly a joke post, and DP reacted to it like he was serious. Holy can't be blamed for DP reacting to a blatant joke in a retarded manner, can he now? He knew I would react that way. He does it on voice. I asked him not to before the game started and he still did it. He knew how I would react and sadly I flipped out. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:50 marvellosity wrote: lol ok <3 I was just having my fun with you. Showing how you literally can't read me. My sincere apologies for exposing your bullshittery T.T Just fucking take your ego and put it away. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:51 marvellosity wrote: I'm not going to tell someone making an obvious joke to behave in case someone doesn't realise it's an obvious joke. That's not on Holy, that's on you, DP. Fine. But if I flip out I flip out. Doesn't make me scum. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:52 marvellosity wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK DP AMIRITE? Vig shot. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: DarthPunk marv is not mafia. How do you figure? | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:54 marvellosity wrote: For someone accusing me of raging and vendetta, you're the one who's unable to play the game properly. I was trying to play the game, then you shat all over me, rayn and the thread. And I'm frankly jack shit of it after holy trolled me all morning. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because he just is not. Do you think he would do this shit as mafia? This is like fucking begging to get shot. Yeah i don't buy that . Why would town marv who usually is a reasonable sort of fellow would do what he just did? Doesn't make any sense. It was not pro town. It did not facilitate any sort of discussion, basically he made two shitty votes with no reasoning and then went on an ego rampage all over the place. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:57 marvellosity wrote: DP, be a dear. Draw some parallels between my play this game and the other game where I was ridiculously easy to catch. Or am I playing a brand new style of mafia this game? I don't know what the fuck you are doing. I have never seen you do this as either alignment. Like you make shitty votes with no explanation as both alignments. You can be useless day one as both alignments. But man I have never seen you shit all over the thread like that before. It just makes no sense at all. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:59 marvellosity wrote: Not my ego rampage dear. Just putting yours in its place. Wow. | ||
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On February 04 2014 20:01 marvellosity wrote: No, I almost never make throwaway votes as mafia actually. Try again. You did it in the shadow game. So. Yeah. (what I consider as a throwaway vote. I don't speak for you or your ego.) | ||
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On February 04 2014 20:04 marvellosity wrote: thing is, DP, you refuse to discuss rayn with me for no particular reason, even though I keep trying to bring him up. *shrug* Maybe because you were insulting me the entire time and being a dick about something from a previous game. Like I am a dick in games sure. But I don't bring personal shit from outside the actual game into it. You did and the game is not fun for me right now for that reason. Nor do I particularly want to interact with you right now for obvious reasons. So If someone else wants to talk to me about rayn that is fine. But I'm not going to talk to you about anything. | ||
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Also this post was incredibly pro town and seemed very genuine at the time. He is my number 1 town read so far. On February 05 2014 02:04 Promethelax wrote: marv is super obviously town. For meta reasons. Like what is the point of this post prome? You are calling marv town but super obvious for meta reasons does not explain anything about the read or your thought processes. What are the super obvious meta reasons. Which town games of his has he used those meta tells? Has he NEVER used those meta tells as scum? If you are going to base a read off of meta entirely then please explain so those of us who are not meta savant's can understand wtf you are talking about. On February 05 2014 02:10 marvellosity wrote: Bold and red don't really go together. Try again. This is a really good catch by marv. Really doesn't make sense. On February 05 2014 02:13 Promethelax wrote: He would do that because you, the person, annoy him. As is clear from his posts about you in various thread recent;y. In pregame didn't he say "oh great, another thread with DP talking bollocks in it" not word for word but that was the general idea and here you are talking bullocks about him being scum when anyone who knows how to read marv knows he is town right now. This is the towniest filter I've seen from marv when he was playing under his main. If you are allowed to unreasonably rage at people for not bowing to your whim about how they approach the game marv is also allowed to get mad at people for calling his scum play bad (i.e. easy to catch) and following that up by failing to find him town when he is obviously town. Yet he continued to say it wasn't personal. You are right though, it clearly was personal, but w/e it's in the past and if he wants to talk about how bad I am he can do it post game or PM me. Yet again you are calling marv obviously town but have given like zero reasons for it. Why is he super obviously town. Like I feel like you are just saying that because if you called him suspicious then he would shit on you for it or something. What are the reasons that marv is super obviously town? On February 05 2014 02:20 Promethelax wrote: There are three scum. I happen to think that marv/dp/iamp/wos are town as am I. So that leaves me with four players who could be scum and of them two have not posted. So I am pretty damn sure at least one of the two players who haven't posted are scum. I didn't spell it out earlier but it makes perfect sense. Why is this a hard concept to follow? No reasoning for any of these reads. Why is Iamp town? why is DP town? why is WoS town? if you are going to use PoE then you need to convince others beyond doubt on your town reads, but you have literally explained nothing. OK seems like rayn called you out on having town reads based on nothing. (more townie points for rayn) On February 05 2014 02:34 Promethelax wrote: I don't know that I could tell you the thing he would say word for word. In fact I know I could not say it. But his tone has been super town marv which it never was the last time. Was that question unnecessary? Probably. Do I have a read on marv which I believe is accurate? Yes. Was that question part of what helped me find my read on marv? Yes. Is your issue pointless? Yes. This still says nothing. Your entire explanation for your super obvious town read on marv is his 'tone' but you take a billion words to say it. If it is that hard to explain it really isn't super obvious is it? OK this On February 05 2014 02:32 Promethelax wrote: I read everything he posted and had found it not alignment indicative. Given that it was ~6 hours into d1 I figured I'd keep the guy I liked more and would wait for him to show up to have a chit chat with and see if I could read him. Not like I'm advocating a lynch of anyone RIGHT NOW. I'm advocating a lynch of one of these four dudes and placing pressure on the ones I know less well/have a harder time reading. I see no issue here, why do you? Makes sense. I have done similar things when people were calling goodkarma scum before. On February 05 2014 02:55 marvellosity wrote: Specifically this post. Paragraph 1: some explanation that means nothing. Fine, whatever. Paragraph 2: He finds Wave scummy maybe? Smelly? But it speaks in general terms "if a game" - not Wave's game,"a" game. Paragraph 3: he's "curious" why I find rayn scummy. Why is he curious? I explained clearly in my case on rayn and in followup posts precisely why I was suspicious of rayn. What does his curiosity of me mean for my alignment? He even says he likes one of my points on rayn, yet is curious. He follows up this point with a whole series of wishy washy posts about "point 2 and 3" of my case that he never quotes and eventually backs weirdly down from. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkk Yeah I agree with this. Artanis does seem different to very small mini. That is the only town game of his I have ever read though so I will probs go reads some more of his town reads to see. On February 05 2014 03:03 Promethelax wrote: marv. I doubt you'll listen to me on this but you should, DP doesn't need to be antagonized anymore. He is probably town and he is liable to explode due to rage. At the end of the game you can bring it up that DP does not know how to read you as town or scum and that is fine but it isn't doing anything to benefit this town here and now. DP doesn't need it. You don't need it. More importantly the thread really doesn't need it. Let DP calm down and just ignore him unless you actually need to call him scum, mmmkay? This is a good post and would make me think prome was townie but then On February 05 2014 02:13 Promethelax wrote: He would do that because you, the person, annoy him. As is clear from his posts about you in various thread recent;y. In pregame didn't he say "oh great, another thread with DP talking bollocks in it" not word for word but that was the general idea and here you are talking bullocks about him being scum when anyone who knows how to read marv knows he is town right now. This is the towniest filter I've seen from marv when he was playing under his main. If you are allowed to unreasonably rage at people for not bowing to your whim about how they approach the game marv is also allowed to get mad at people for calling his scum play bad (i.e. easy to catch) and following that up by failing to find him town when he is obviously town. It doesn't really seem genuine when he had just previously said something to further a shitfest that had clearly died. THAT is Fucking scummy as shit. He is making a contribution that doesn't provide reads, is easy to fake as scum, But MOST IMPORTANTLY does not gel with the narrative of what he has done. He just made a post that could easily have opened a can of worms that had been obviously closed, and then he takes the high road in order to preserve 'town atmosphere' or something. Doesn't make sense. On February 05 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote: This is also why I think prome is actually scum. He keeps harping on with rhetoric about "the heart of the thread is towny guys!" and "I love you allllllllllll let's lynch dem Good. this is exactly right. His town reads come from nowhere are really strong and when asked to explain them he basically doesn't or can't Town points for HF. On February 05 2014 03:33 Promethelax wrote: Wave is pretty town actually. His vote doesn't matter that much. It's early game and I don't care where his vote is until it comes down to someone actually being lynched. So you agree with me/Marv/DP/iamperfection being town? Your only issue is with wave? Why??? On February 05 2014 03:37 Promethelax wrote: Reads 1. Prome, Marv 2. Iamp, wave, DP 3. Rayn 4. Art 5. HF, ceph These are not reads. If I read this post I see numbers and names but I don't know why they are there or how you arrived at your conclusions. On February 05 2014 04:00 Holyflare wrote: Your last 2 points on him about having wrong reasons are like quintessential any alignment rayn though he just calls people scum/town with no reason all the time. I liked the fact that he was trying to get you and DP to stop and actually start making cases because you were clogging up the thread with useless crap at that point, if he was mafia he'd perpetuate that or just sit back and let you get out of hand (something you even mentioned at the start would be great for scum). Yay! I agree with this toooo. Holyflare is town read number two. On February 05 2014 04:04 Holyflare wrote: Lists are dumb. Scummy people: Wave, Prome, Cephiro (haven't checked artanis enough to put him in any list yet) Towny: Me, marv, probably add DP in here too now (not totally convinced on iamp because I haven't ever played with him) Wat? lists are dumb, here is a list. That has to be intentional. Right? Right guys? Oh lsb replaced in. He basically said nothing. minus townie points. On February 05 2014 05:19 marvellosity wrote: 1.marv (2.LSB) 3.DP 4.Prome 5.Wave 6.Holy 7.Cephiro 8.rayn 9.Artanis Holy down two, LSB position sadly on hold. Damnit iamp. God what is with these dumb lists? at least I have some idea of why marvs' reads are where they are due to his other posts. On February 05 2014 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno. Maybe marv is mafia. I have never seen town!marv not read the thread properly, especially when he talks about his scumread. What? Don't call marv obviously town for no reason and then call him scummy again. That is fucking bullshit. If your can change that fast how was he obviously town in the first place? On February 05 2014 05:43 marvellosity wrote: I mean if you think Artanis is mafia then you have no grounds to be asking why I am "so bad" this game when the person I want to kill you also think is mafia. That is also odd. God I hope you actually are town this game rayn. On February 05 2014 05:59 Holyflare wrote: you favour promethelax the guy who says "all the guys who are posting must be town huehuehue" with no reasoning and no logic who wants to shoot into lurkers and he actually had a BIAS on who to shoot (cephiro) between the 2 lurkers and he is also the guy that DEFENDED your top scum read (artanis) by saying, no no he's a claimed scum lurker but i can read him - let's keep him in the game please. marv you aren't this bad Yeah, this is good. Holyflare is obviously town at this point. On February 05 2014 06:13 Promethelax wrote: Well poo to you. I'm heading out for a while. Do me the kindness of figuring out why lsb thinks wave is the best lynch please and thank you. Also please do filter dive me and bring your findings to the thread, I'm tired of HF finding me scummy for no reason and would prefer to talk to someone with a brain about how I appear in the thread. This is not what is happening there are very legitimate reasons for finding you scummy. You are giving out town reads from thin air with no justifcation and then when asked to justify them you still don't do it. that IS scummy. Sleep. | ||
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Regardless, from my read through I am confident that Prome is scum and artanis is likely scum as well. Cephiro is ? but a good lynch or shot for that reason. Marv is looking townier to me based on him saying sensible things and explaining things that he says when asked. Holyflare and Rayn totes town based on several things above but also generally having similar thoughts to me as I read the thread. Cool beans. I will be around for a bit if there are questions or w/e | ||
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On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Show me one spot where I have called you scum. All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me. It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day. But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it. What do you think of prome wave? | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote: I remember that, hence be not jumping all over him for it constantly, but the fact remains, whatever new 'style' he is choosing he hasn't bothered to push anyone today and much of his posting doesn't accomplish much. If that's his new style, I don't see what he's attempting to accomplish with it. I you knew that then what the fuck are the bolded? On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote: All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me. It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day. But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it. Like those are pure meta arguments on someone whom you KNEW from before the game was going to try a different style. The other parts, Rayn not pushing people, or not having a purpose to his posts is also not true. He has pushed people and his posts read to me like he was trying to figure out the game. That post makes zero sense without the meta and you just admitted you knew rayn was trying something different so the question becomes A.) why are you trying to use meta that you know to be invalid when casting suspicon on rayn without actually calling him mafia B.) stating he is not doing anything when I have just read the thread in detail and got a town read on rayn precisely because of what he WAS doing and saying. Is rayn town or scum wave? because it seems like you are trying to cast him as scummy without saying he is scum. And THAT is scummy. | ||
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On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: Im around for a bit but after last game I'm pretty bored of talking to people I read as townie who think I'm scum for bad reasons. In short the reasons for people being town: Marv: meta. His tone and interest are in direct contrast to his play as scum ever. I can't show it to you because it is present in every post. Either you believe that I know how to read Marv based on his tone or you don't. However, I can and because I value my reputation on this site I would never commit to a read this heavily unless I was sure. I am very sure. Cool. some bullshit about tone, actually zero reasons for his read And somehow he can't show me because it is present in every post of this this game. If it is meta show me the meta. Show me things he is doing this game that he doesn;t do in other games. Explain it. OH wait, you can't because you pulled the read from nothing an nowhere. And that stuff about your rep or whatever is meaningless. If you are scum like I think you are you would say 'of course I knew better I was just scum' Right. Absolutely no good reason to call marv town. Appeals to his 'rep' but can't provide one single concrete reason. Basically spending a lot of time saying nothing. On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: Wave: had some posts which read townie to me early on. I'm on a tablet so I can't quote. My memory suggest these had to do with his determination to watch Marv and his insistence of it in thread. Other people saw these as scummy but I liked them, they made sense from a townie who had misgivings about scum Marv in his past game but hadn't done anything to get him lynched. That was literally not a reason to call wave town at all. You were right people thought they were scummy because it was. And that is the only reason you give for a 'solid' townread. On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: Iamperfection: seemed really townie. He niggled in ways I liked during early game. I'm sad he replaced out since he was making sense and generally read as town. Lsb: has clearly thought about the set up from a town perspective. This gels with both my past experience with town lsb (PYPLOL) and my read of imp as town. Oh look this person is town because he seemed town. You keep coming back to that as justification but it is meaningless. What does 'he niggled in ways I liked' mean? can you provide examples of those niggles and explain why it makes him town. Using vague fucking terms to give town reads is not something town do. Town KNOW why they think people are town, ESPECIALLY if people are so confident that they are eliminating them from the mafia pool. Literally the setup speculation of LSB was not alignment indicative but at least you gave an actual reason on him. On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: DP: all the rage, it seems like genuine towniedp rage. DP plays a smart game of scum and screaming and kicking is a good way to get shot while at the same time ruining his chances of being listened to as a thread leader. Also I disagree with most/all of what he is saying which, counter-intuitively, makes him seem townie to me. In the past scum DP has tried to fit into thread and say similar things to townies and since he is not doing that I think he is town. At least you give a reason for me even if it is just the same reason everyone else has given.[/quote] On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: I have reasons DP. I just never bothered to write them out. There they are. I'm not going to repeat myself, I don't think there is a lot of value in answering you in a case on me. If you lynch me I'll happily shoot Artanis. I don't really care since I'm clearly town and you might listen to my reads after I shoot scum. I believe I've adequately explained my scum reads. If you disagree feel free to ask. you actual don't have reasons you just spent 4 paragraphs basically saying these people are town because they 'feel' town and they have 'niggled' you as town and 'META that is in every post but I can't point it out to you' and 'tone' and blah blah blah. Basically giving out town reads like this is really scummy. Town reads are easy to give out as scum because you don;t have to fake as much, it is easy calling townies town because you KNOW they are town. The problem is when you have been asked several times WHY and you still can't answer straightforwardly. My top scum read shooting my second scum read sounds fantastic to me ##vote: Promethelax | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:13 WaveofShadow wrote: His townread on me is weak, I'll give you that. Usually Prome is able to or at least attempts to come up with some fantastic meta reason as to why I'm town because he feels he understands me the best or we're both really similar or something like that, but not in this game? I've liked his interaction with a lot of people in the thread thus far (marv, holy) and I don't have any reason to pursue him today, though saying this makes me realize I haven't looked into him in much detail so at risk of running into a marv situation from last game, I will filterdive him tomorrow and have a look. ' Hmm. This is a good post wave. Why have you not mentioned it before if you felt like that? | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:26 WaveofShadow wrote: I remember it because yo had just mentioned it, hence me backing off on the aggressiveness point. I don't know if rayn is town or scum, but I was and still am suspicious of him because of his posting today. I don't care that my findings are different from yours with regards to him. The point of him 'attempting a new style' makes me take it down slightly, but feels are feels, and that's what I'm doing this game. I'll be attempting to interact with him more throughout the day as he is right about that as per his earlier point to do a better job of figuring him out. DP am I town or scum? I am trying to figure that out right now wave. Right now, I have no clue. You have done townie things that look hella townie. Like the last post where you say you don't care what people think and you will scum hunt in your way so GTFO. I really liked that. Also being able to understand that promes reads are all mostly smoke and mirrors and that he actuially doesn;t say anything in those gigantic posts of his 'reads' But your rayn read and the specific reasons for it are so off, it's almost like you haven't read the thread or are keeping your lynch options open or something. Rayn what do you think? Specifically for his recent posts. | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP what is your read on marv? Arsehole leaning town but I am bad at reading Marv historically. That he is right about. | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:39 WaveofShadow wrote: A reason for me to talk about it didn't come up between his latest townread post and now, and I haven't though about Prome much, as I said. Rayn, the bolded is incredibly defensive, and has absolutely nothing to do with what I said to you, whether about 'lies,' 'fishy reasoning,' or otherwise. If people want to talk about unnatural reactions to stuff in the game, there's one right there. I'm not sure I agree with that. There is much less reason than usual to defend yourself in this game. Like, if you get lynched you just shoot mafia anyway. Matyring is much less anti win con than normal. Like if you are town and you matyr: You A.) remove yourself from the list of suspects making things clearer for town, and B.) get to shoot your #1 scum read, who, if you are rayn will likely flip scum in your eyes. This setup is not standard and so things like that read really town to me. | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:43 WaveofShadow wrote: My lynch options aren't 'open,' I have not said at any point I would lynch Rayn today, nor do I ever think I have hinted towards it. If you're ok with me scumhunting in my own way, then it shouldn't matter to you that my reads are 'off.' If by 'off' you mean 'wrong,' that's not scummy. If by 'off' you mean that they are not good reasons and the manner in which I have come about them doesn't make you feel good, then you have contradicted yourself in saying that you are ok with me scumhunting in my own way. I believe I have made my stance on rayn as clear as it's going to be for the moment, likely until more happens in thread/tomorrow. No wave. I liked that you SAID would scum-hunt in your own way and that you told everyone to fuck off. But if you actually are town and the way in which you scum hunt makes no fucking sense at all and makes me think you are mafia then that is not ok obviously. Like why would you take something like that and twist it into something ridiculous. It makes no fucking sense that I would mean that or that you actually believe what you just wrote. | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Still never called you scum. STILL. You either think I'm scum for being suspicious of you for NOT calling you scum, or because it's OMGUS-y and you don't like that I'm suspicious of you in the first place, Rayn. Which is it? I also don't like the fact that a bunch that I don't like about your play this game is so conveniently explained away by 'different style, bro.' If I recall correctly you're not really the time to go strictly on OMGUS, yet you have problems with me and marv. He said that he was using a different style before roles were assigned wave. Don't be dumb. Like, using a different style can be disorientating, especially when people rely on meta so heavily on this site. But it does happen. I mislynched Z - Boson because his style changed and it felt really weird. He was town. Basically just look at his posts objectively and try and throw rayns meta out the window. | ||
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On February 05 2014 17:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I know that, but if he rolled scum it's a perfect alibi. I am well aware he said it pregame, it doesn't mean I like it. I'm trying a highly 'feels-based' style this game if it hasn't been obvious to people (hint---it has) and people don't like that much better. I guess the difference is I didn't talk about it pregame, but I'm sick of making outside excuses for myself, RL or otherwise (especially RL regarding activity---I can always do that but I've been opting not to).If people are going to make reads on me I'd rather attempt to keep them within the confines of the game and specifically regarding 'feels' this game I'm treating it like voice in that I'm not going to care much if people don't like it. Difference here is I can't exactly shout people down because I 'know' I'm right, and I'm a lot less confident about it than on voice, because forum is massively different. What has that got to do with calling rayn out for something he said pre game and pre alignment? | ||
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On February 05 2014 17:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hmm.. So apparetly everyone in this game (barring Cephiro?) thinks Artanis is mafia. So if he is mafia he is being bussed. I don't think artanis thinks artanis is mafia. Hue. | ||
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On February 05 2014 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am trying to figure out what to make out of Prome's statements on Artanis throughout the game in every scenario but it's so hard because nothing makes sense.. He is scum that is why nothing he says makes sense. | ||
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On February 05 2014 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the only reasoning for marv's reads that are not me or Artanis EVER in this game is "because other people look worse". This doesn't even make sense because the reasoning for me being mafia is so very shit. Yeah, that is true. | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wave looks better after the last arguments between me and him. I can get where he is coming from if he is town. I still disagree with feel based reads, i mean, i know i read people based on feels (but only Vayne and Koshi) but if you do so that's not the only thing you should do as that does not qualify as a reasoning and it's an easy way for scum to hide (not to post any real reasoning for your reads). Especially in this setup it's really good for mafia because if you just convince a couple of (strong/vocal) townies, you are unlikely to get lynched/shot because strong/vocal townies "decide" the lynch as they usually drive the discussion and are listened to. So buddy buddy and you get a pass because your read is not "wrong" (as you give a town meta read on a townie). That's also why i think Prome and marv can't both be mafia, as it makes no sense to me for Prome to buddy up to his scumbuddy based on shit meta reasons. So kill Artanis/Prome and make them shoot each other, that's where i am atm. Me too. Let's be super town friends!~ | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'll be your super town friend DarthPunk. Let's win this game. marv can join too if he is town. I'll get back to you on the last part <3 | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also wanting the phase to last no more than 48h is stupid. This game can be solved on D1 and hurrying up the lynch because "bored" or some other shit is just dumb. Also Cephiro needs to talk. Kind of hilarious you are saying that after Extractor trick. hue. | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:17 Holyflare wrote: Don't include me then Happy to, you are one of my top two town reads after all! | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: And that game is exactly why i am saying that. I was retarded in that game. LEL. :D | ||
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On February 05 2014 18:52 Holyflare wrote: Zzzzzz i trolled dp for one post. You REALLY haven't read the thread. I disagree completely with that statement. but let's not bring it up again. | ||
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Not like we are in any hurry to lynch someone. @ holyflare, Stop being so defensive, he didn't even call you scum, no point shitting on him as soon as he starts playing just because he didn't call you townie town town. Don't be marv. | ||
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On February 05 2014 19:23 marvellosity wrote: Shitting the thread up? Please never play in games with me ever again, DP, you hypocritical asshole. Case in point. Bye! | ||
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On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote: The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically. Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off. Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh. Marv is scum. He has worked against what he said he considered is the best thing for town since page 2 of his filter. Want proof read page 2 onwards. Makes no fucking sense that he outlines what is best for mafia and then does exactly that. Also he is pushing rayn based on nothing who is like blates town. Not going to argue with him about it because he is going to say the same old shit in his defense in which he doesn't actually say anything. And to be honest my interactions with marv have been toxic and judging from the way he entered the thread they will continue to be even though I made a genuine effort to be constructive today. k, out for reals. | ||
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On February 05 2014 21:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh you guys essentially went over this. As much as it sucks, I believe marv is right at least that at this point, it probably should be understood that he is town, and yet he IS creating an anti-town atmosphere. Rayn in this scenario I see only two possibilities: either he is right and you're scum for calling him scum here and not realizing why you're wrong, or you're both town. Its basically impossible for marv to be scum right now. Nope rayn is not wrong wave. good scum players do not play to their 'scum meta.' He is shitting up the thread and bullying people for calling him scum that is not Town. I don;t see the point of town marv doing it, especially as he said not to do this on day one. There is no reason to think he is town. Just because he has spammed that he is and shat on anyone who questioned it does not make it so. His basic reason that he says is town: 'Because I wouldn't do this as scum. ' which is bullshit and the exact reason to do this as scum. I guarantee that scum marv could do this and then point to meta as the reason he can't be scum. That is the whole point of playing scum. To not look like you're scum meta. He is not going to play the same way as shadow this game as scum, he is just not. So when people say 'meta' and 'shadow' as reasons he is not town I say no, that is not what good scum players do and even if you use meta this is not marv's town meta. Usually I enjoy playing with town marv. This game I am avoiding interacting with him at all. I am not going to stand back and let town lose because people are too scared to call him out for legitimate reasons. I agree with you on ceph he is making sense, won't let himself be bullied and is pretty townie looking from what he posted. I don;t want to lynch marv because he wants to shoot my top town read and a top town asset (funny that) and if rayn is alive He WILL catch scum. So yeah. We should lynch artanis and ask him to shoot marv. Current scum reads: Marv, prome, artanis Artanis is more of a question mark than the other two. IMO. | ||
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On February 05 2014 23:44 Promethelax wrote: Because you are not only bad but also self congratulatory. It gets really old really fast, you have been spouting bullshit this whole game and DP, WoS and HF are right in the thick of it with you. Since Art is scum at least two of the four in that group are town and that makes those two people incredibly bad. I have no desire to keep listening to people be both incredibly bad and full of themselves at the same time. Lynch me so I can shoot scum and stop reading this game. How has anyone but marv been full of themselves prome? link me to a post where we are all being self congratulatory? Cause I genuinely believe it doesn't exist. | ||
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Copied marv's reads without giving any reasoning or original thoughts. Now he is butthurt because people are calling he and marv mafia and is basically rage quitting and saying the same things marv said earlier when HE rage quit. Sigh. | ||
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On February 05 2014 23:51 Promethelax wrote: look at say, the last 10 pages of this thread. You and Rayn have been the worst offenders while HF piggy backs on and 'me too's Wave has been almost reasonable, it isn't really fair of me to lump him in with you guys. We called you and marv mafia, Prome. Because we said that we are: Bad, spewing bullshit and being self congratulatory? That is so bullshit. We are trying to play the game. Calling someone scum does not mean we are being bad, spewing bullshit or being self congratulatory. The reason you didn't link anything was because there WAS nothing to link. I don't even know what this is. It's fucking weird and it makes me sad. | ||
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On February 05 2014 23:54 Promethelax wrote: you actual don't have reasons you just spent 4 paragraphs basically saying these people are town because they 'feel' town and they have 'niggled' you as town and 'META that is in every post but I can't point it out to you' and 'tone' and blah blah blah. Basically giving out town reads like this is really scummy. Town reads are easy to give out as scum because you don;t have to fake as much, it is easy calling townies town because you KNOW they are town. The problem is when you have been asked several times WHY and you still can't answer straightforwardly. My top scum read shooting my second scum read sounds fantastic to me ##vote: Promethelax All of my reads are valid and based on valid things, whether or not they are right we'll see in post game. However you took everything I wrote and shat on it. I haven't over justified my town reads, true, I haven't cared to. I only did so because you asked and while I believe you to be townie I want to work with you, instead of working with me in any way you shat on every single one of my reads and said they were invalid and made me scum. Since I happen to know I'm town and my reads are valid I'd call this post both bad and self congratulatory. [/QUOTE] Well it could be WRONG (though i sincerely doubt it) but it certainly isn't all that other shit you were talking about. Now, getting upset about a case is something I can obviously understand, But just as it was my fault that I raged out with holy, it is your fault what you are doing now. The thing is that I rage all the time as town. I have never, ever, seen you do anything but be lovely and reasonable. So you are caught scum and are raging out. Makes sense, but I am going to ignore your bullshit ok? | ||
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On February 05 2014 23:58 Promethelax wrote: Sometimes marv is right. It happens. I find I often see games in a similar way that he does and, for whatever reason, the players he feels generally comfortable reading are also the players I feel comfortable reading. Now Rayn is clearly on that list for marv while he isn't for me; hence why I have preferred lynch candidates who are not Rayn while marv prefers to lynch Rayn. It is much better for town to lynch me than marv. Marv is clearly town and is a better player than me. I also don't think Rayn is as good a shot as Artanis. Therefore it is better to lynch me and let me shoot Artanis. We should be lynching a townie every day. That is better play than lynching a scum. If we lynch a townie that townie gets to shoot into the scummy players list which we have drawn up as a town thus eliminating tow suspects, themselves and the other player. If we lynch a scum he can shoot whomever he feels is most dangerous to scum. I am happy to be the townie lynched because 1) I will shoot scum and 2) you guys are not fun to play with Marv is not clearly town. The fact that you sheep marv has nothing to do with what is happening in the game right now and lynching a townie every day is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. | ||
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On February 06 2014 00:05 Promethelax wrote: Bad because you called me mafia. Self congratulatory because you keep saying I am mafia and patting yourself on the back about it Calling people mafia makes me bad hey? and find a post where i did that prome? where did I pat myself on the back for calling you mafia? On February 06 2014 00:05 Promethelax wrote: Bad because you keep calling HF and Rayn super townie when neither is anything close to that. Bad because you are intentionally creating a toxic thread environment and at the same time bitching about it and I still cannot call you scum for that because I truly believe you'd do this as town. The fact that it makes you sad is at least relieving, it means I'm right and you are town. They are super townie. You are bad for thinking marv is town and for thinking Holyflare is scum. See? I just made your exact argument. See how shallow and meaningless it is? On February 06 2014 00:05 Promethelax wrote: Rayn has no interest in engaging in conversation with me which means he is probably scum but I don't know how to read him so I'll leave it as simply likely. The way he plays has always bothered me and this game is no exception besides that he seems to have put his brain on hold to be an ass. Usually he can think while being an ass but that has not occurred here; I guess him being scum would explain that. Err he is talking to you right now, and to be honest you haven;t really said much worth talking about all game. On February 06 2014 00:05 Promethelax wrote: HF can't even come up with original thoughts he just +1s the vitriol that you and rayn spew together. He made cases on both you and wave first and made the first case on the gmae on me. Even though it was bad he is clearly coming up with original thoughts. On February 06 2014 00:05 Promethelax wrote: Yes, marv is also being a dickmiester, and yes that is unpleasent but like you I expect it from him when he is town. This sort of thing where he thinks he is better than everyone else and is a dick about people not listening to him is something he (and you) do as town. The difference is that marv has regularly proved that he is better than everyone else so I find his behaviour more excusable than yours. That is like, so weird, he is better than us so when HE shits all over the thread the people that are the target of his shit are in the wrong. >_< | ||
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On February 06 2014 00:07 Promethelax wrote: No it isn't. Lynching a townie is BETTER than lynching scum IFF that townie shoots scum. It reveals two alignments and restricts scum from ever directing a shot. Take your head out of your ass for two minutes and think. And half of the players in the game are not going to shoot who town says. Read cephiro's conversation about it with marv and then decide if it is a good idea. | ||
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On February 06 2014 00:20 marvellosity wrote: Prome I'll lynch you if you shoot rayn. I'm sure about this. See above Shooting rayn is the dumbest thing ever, But you are mafia so i'm not surprised. >_< | ||
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On February 06 2014 00:21 marvellosity wrote: Go find in Shadow where either of them said I was 100% certain town. Go on, chop chop. They refused to lynch you. Deja vu. They didn't even bring it up. The only reason they have now is because they are forced to take a stance cause people are out for your blood. Unlike shadow game where you could just coast because nobody even VOTED for you. | ||
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On February 06 2014 00:24 marvellosity wrote: lmao. ahahahaha DP are you seriously using the argument that "not getting lynched" = "100% declaring town"? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I have not enough ahahahahahahahas for this. AS this has again descended into bullshit I will leave the thread. ##unvote Rather shoot you than lynch you after you are both wanting to shoot obv town assets. | ||
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On February 06 2014 00:30 marvellosity wrote: I'm getting worried about DP. I hope he's only tunnelled because his logic is breaking down horribly :/ Of course you are. I am calling you mafia so you must call me mafia or shit for doing so. le sigh. | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote: DP/Rayn - The weirdest thing for me here is you guys ARE for the most part actually the calmer and more rational side here, so I don't know what to make of that. I'm still not a fan of your martyring, Rayn, I like even less that you seem to be doing it with a cool head. DP, you're calm now in the face of such stupidity, but where was your cool head earlier when you exploded in rage at everybody in the thread? How come now you get to be the rational side of things when earlier on you just get to rage quit the thread when it's convenient for you? It's like stepping on eggshells talking with you in this game most of the time it seems, and yet the time where it would seem more likely for you to explode in the face of irrationality you're fine with it? What the fuck is this game. Basically I'M embarrassed about my earlier behavior and the game in general so when I start getting mad I just leave the thread. You are right though. this game is very unenjoyable. I'm trying my best not to make things worse, essentially. | ||
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On February 06 2014 08:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Spend your birthday doing something that's not playing this PoS game. I think it's time we lynch somebody and move on; the demoralization and atmosphere isn't going to spontaneously change without something to change it. I am perfectly fine with lynching Artanis and getting him to shoot somebody at this point. If he is town and listens to us (really REALLY doubtful), great. If he's scum, I can think of basically positives to the removal of almost anyone from this game, both in terms of atmosphere/interaction and PoE. ##Vote: Artanis I haven't looked into Prome yet like I said I would, and I don't plan to unless people plan on actually being here and discussing things like rational human beings. I agree with this. ##Vote: Artanis K I won't be back till tomorrow cause birthday and as wave said not going to play this PoS game on it. | ||
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Super townie friends! DarthPunk! + Show Spoiler + Me. Clearly town and clearly sexy. Holyflare! + Show Spoiler + Damn that mofo is sexy pie. Just look! IN all seriousness though after a truly terrible start between us, holy flare has just looked better and better to me. His pushes made sense and gelled with my thoughts also, he hasn;t taken any shit and has called out all the dumb stuff marv and prome and everyone else has done. Love his push on Prome, not so much his case on wave, but even then I can see his mindset and his points make sense, even if I disagree with his read (though it could have changed since then?) Raynpelikoneet! + Show Spoiler + My super townie friend! Obviously town. His reads make sense, his arguments make sense, and the way he tried to be constructive with marv and prome even while being shat on were all really townie to me. Also his views on the game just being teh sukc are something that I can empathise with, although marv and prome are seemingly reading the thread in another dimension and cannot. Not as sexy but still kind of attractive in the correct light. Cephiro! + Show Spoiler + Liked that he would not be pushed around at all, his reads make sense and I can see through what he has posted that he seems to be thinking about the game in a townie way. Want more for him in terms of quantity but the content is there from what he has posted. Wave! + Show Spoiler + Iike that he seems to be genuinely upset at the atmosphere. I mean scum could fake that but scum would be loving it and he seems genuinely annoyed about it. Liked his posting telling everyone to fuck off and that he would scum hunt in his own way. Don;t like his marv read, but it is expected as marv is good at scum and supposed to fool people. Would love to see him follow up on his prome filter dive that he has promised for a while now and not done. Could be IRL but that is a pet peeve of mine and he has been posting in thee thread so that drops him down a bit in my eyes. Scummers. Definitely need some beer goggles when dealing with these mofo's Artanis + Show Spoiler + Dawwwwwwww! So cute. Kill it with fire! Useless, keeps saying he will do things and doesn't, not engaged in the thread, Claimed scum. This is one baby seal that we need to club. Promethelax + Show Spoiler + First thing that was weird about prome was he was really abrasive when I tried to start a conversation with him at the start of the game, and then backflipped hard after I voted for him. His reads are weird and never really explained even though he was pushed to many times. Weird and incorrect abuse of rayn and I, weird marv read. Weird weird weird, Scum scum scum. Marvellosity + Show Spoiler + OK so everyone who is seriously pushing him is basically Promethelax his scum buddy, and wave based on meta. Marv is a good scum player who can change his meta. Anyone thinking he would play this game like he played shadow game is just wrong. He shat up the thread. Calls everyone who calls him scum for good reasons, scum, and he should know better. His play has been objectively anti town. His case on rayn is bullshit and he is trying to get people to shoot rayn because he knows no one would be stupid enough to lynch him. The reasons that people give for marv to be town are either meta or because marv says so are both dumb as shit. He has been scummy as fuck this game and if we don't kill him I will be super fucking sad. I'll be back tomorrow. | ||
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Game is boring, may as well do something ##unvote, ##vote: Promethelax. Scummers got to die. | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Where dem other power players at lately? DP it's not your birthday anymore, come back (Though I loved that gif post) Just got up and reading the thread now, Glad you liked that gif post. I was pretty upset that no one commented on how awesome it was. :D from a cursory glance though rayn is like super super townie because he gives zero fucks about dieing. he wanted to lynch promethelax who is very likely to shoot him as scum or town, and actually pushed for his hammer. He wants to lynch marv who is very likely to shoot him as scum or town. Like it just makes zero sense to suicide in that way as scum. ESPECIALLY because artanis was scum and was guaranteed to get killed at some point. | ||
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Wave you said cephiro was townie based on 'feels' has your read on ceph changed now that you agree with what LSB is sayinG? | ||
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Marv either YOU are wrong or YOU are scum. So please let me just play without trashing everything I say and only say things to me that are constructive. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:14 marvellosity wrote: DP, your main scumread is offering himself up to be lynched after a mafia died yesterday please vote for him toute de suite No i'm not rushing the day. AS much as I would love to lynch you right now there is productive discussion going on that should not be interrupted with your bullshit. I will vote when I am ready or when the town ceases to be productive, just like with promethelax. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:14 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think giving zero fucks about dying is a towntell, especially in this setup. And why is marv doing the same thing not indicative to you in that case? what?, getting shot is the worst possible outcome for mafia correct? you don't get to shoot town, you are flipped giving maximum information and you confirm the other player as town. So why would scum rayn lynch people who he thinks are scum even though they would shoot him for it? Hint: He wouldn't because it is a really bad play. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:19 LSB wrote: Fuuukkk. I just realized that since marv isn't dead Rayn is probably mafia. I'll do your dirty work for you marv ##unvote ##Vote LSB what? | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:14 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think giving zero fucks about dying is a towntell, especially in this setup. And why is marv doing the same thing not indicative to you in that case? hmm. That is a good point actually. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:21 marvellosity wrote: there was one question on 2 lines, and you managed not to answer it at all... Yeah. it was at the end of the page and I missed it. I didn't even know you were talking to me, I thought wave was answering a question. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:24 LSB wrote: If I were mafia and both you and rayn were town, I would be like support your plan and would have lynched you by now so you can shoot rayn. Boom, two townies dead. EZ Day 2. Since you aren't lynched yet, I can only assume that mafia don't want to see you go No ending the day early is claiming scum. That makes no sense. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:25 marvellosity wrote: .... you quoted wave's post asking the question when you gave your first non-answer dear I missed it. I'm still reading the thread while chatting here. And I've answered it now. No idea what you expected me to say, it IS a good point. But if you are town for that reason so is rayn and we are all wrong. | ||
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No one is lynching you yet because the day is only 12 hours long marv. Lynching fast is in direct opposition to town policy and is a good way of getting lynched as scum. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually same question to everyone else in thread, especially those who haven't voted yet. You. probably. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:32 marvellosity wrote: It's all so simple. rayn's opening post regarding holyflare was terrible. he said he was suspicious and less suspicious for no reason. there was literally no reaso to post that. rayn's critique of my post to DarthPunk was terrible because it didn't need to be aimed at Holyflare for making one joke post. rayn should have read me as town at the start, but instead he read me as "wtf". Ok, you all don't have to believe me, but then rayn said that I couldn't be mafia, because I was making too much of a spectacle of myself. I continue making a spectacle of myself, and rayn slowly decides I am mafia. Go read ## where his read on me takes an identical evolution. rayn has no thread presence. rayn has no original ideas. rayn apparently found Promethelax unnaturally scummy even though Promethelax wasn't. He's pushing the idea that I was suspicious for thinking Prome was town? No. rayn "jokingly" asks if DP was mafia. Artanis critiques my case on rayn in a really terrible way. Promethelax, confirmed town (probably :p) had rayn as one of his strongest scumreads. rayn did not reevaluate my alignment at all in the light of Promethelax shooting scum and calling me confirmed town. rayn is absent. rayn is mafia. This is literally not a case. You are just repeating what happened in the thread and twisting it to suit your purposes. I'm not so sure marv is town after all. Because he DID try and stay alive yesterday and used townie promethelax to try and get a shot without dying. And he KNOWS that no-one will lynch him fast today because his scum buddy won't do it and town won't be dumb enough to do it after everyone has expressed a desire to lengthen the days. All the while he is still campaigning for others to take his place as the lynch candidate and to shoot rayn for him which shows that he DOES in fact give a fuck if he dies. Where as rayn is just lynching whoever he thinks is most likely to be mafia and genuinely does not give a fuck, having already had a good chance to be shot by prome, which is unfakeable. SO yeah rayn confirmed town, marv not town. All is right with the world. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:34 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: LSB Look he doesn't actually want to die. All this martyring is fake as shit. LOL. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv if we lynch HF today and we tell him to shoot anyone but Rayn, who is it? Marv answer this question. | ||
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No, it's serious. You don;t actually want to die as evidenced by A.) lynching your town reads one by one trying to get them to shoot rayn without dying yourself which is scummy as fuck. B.) unvoting yourself as soon as anyone else even mentioned they would shoot rayn for you. You don't want to lynch rayn who you think is scum because you know he will shoot you and you will flip red. And once rayn is gone no-one in this town has the balls to go after you aside from me. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:44 marvellosity wrote: DP literally doesn't have the balls to vote for me. It's hilarious. I'm not ending the day 12 hours in just because you are goading me into it. But I do have the balls. if you get to L - 1 tomorrow I will hammer you. That is a promise. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:45 marvellosity wrote: DP, tell me what out of my case is "twisted" I want to know. It wasn't a case. you just said what happened in the thread from your 'perspective' | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:43 marvellosity wrote: it is pointless. i am not everyone else. He literally can't answer the question ROFL. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:47 marvellosity wrote: Tell me what is 'perspective'. Apart from his read on me which is partly subjective, all the things I wrote are simply true. That is the biggest load of shit ever. Everything that you say is subjective. Don't be dumb. And even if you WERE objective in that post (you weren't) it wasn't a case but just rehashing the events in the thread, with a slight sprinkling of meta. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually now I'm getting itchy because I'm sick of this Rayn v marv shit. The problem with lynching one of them however is that various people are equally convinced one of the two is scum. If they're both town, there's going to be a lot of wrong confirmation bias going on and we won't really know it's wrong. If we're going to lynch someone today it needs to be someone who the thread is convinced is universally scummy (ie like Artanis). I posit: Holyflare. Who is one of my top town reads. WTF? how is he 'universally scummy' | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:50 marvellosity wrote: Quote the case. Show me what is incorrect. It's not a case. And I can't be fucked arguing with you about it anymore to be honest, If I thought there was a chance at a rational discussion with you I would, but there is not so I won't. I am going to talk about other things now. If you get to L -1 I will; hammer you. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: lol I just said that for effect. You still haven't answered me though DP. Who do you want lynched? Yes I did. I said if holyflare was lynched he should shoot you. Marv ACTUALLY hasn't answered maybe you should get one out of him. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:53 marvellosity wrote: So basically... you cannot show where I am wrong, even though I am reasonably asking you to. GO DP YOU SO AWESOME GO DP Yeah ok. Back to avoiding marv at all costs. Maybe we should just lynch him now after all so this game can progress somewhere without it turning to shit. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:58 WaveofShadow wrote: DP as much as I don't want this to happen, money where your mouth is, bro. I said I didn't want to end the day early. But w/e. He is scummkmmmmmm ##vote: Marvellosity. It's hammer time | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:59 marvellosity wrote: Oh god. If rayn is town this is gonna be hilarious. ##Shoot: raynpelikoneet He is town. And if you are town this will be the opposite of hilarious. | ||
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On February 07 2014 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Because now I'm going to have to deal with everyone in thread who is going to assume you are scum if he flips green, and move on from there as town dies a slow painful death. He IS going to flip green wave. | ||
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On February 07 2014 10:12 LSB wrote: If you believe that I am town, all we need to do is follow this chain of events. err. no. I do not believe that said anything about your alignment. | ||
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On February 07 2014 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote: HF for final scum. Mebbe even DP. Actually it doesn't even matter now, becuase if we lynch town they just shoot the other and we win. ##vote: Holyflare Explain that to me wave. Cause from where I am sitting you are trying to push lynches not on to only one townie but two. | ||
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On February 07 2014 10:14 Cephiro wrote: Nice indeed. Feeling a bit useless being carried like this but there's still one to go so there is room for being redeemed! I would still like to see a holy lynch into lsb shot. I would like holy to come play the game, TBH. | ||
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On February 07 2014 10:13 WaveofShadow wrote: So ignore him and play the fucking game instead of getting needlessly salty about everything. Despite marv being right, I still am not a fan of how he played the game. No neither am I. Marv being town means he was actually just being a massive douche and not just scum shitting on the thread. Which is actually worse. Sigh. | ||
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On February 07 2014 10:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah and from where you were sitting so was marv. But anyway, because you were just fantastically wrong (which doesn't make you scum) it's making me re-evaluate everything you've done now. Which I should probably do more closely. No that makes no sense. You thought I was wrong before didn't you? And how does being massively wrong about one read 'rayn + Marv' mean anything about my alignment or about my other reads? I basically had the right read, just backwards. cause I thought marv was the mafia out of the two. Turns out it was rayn. 'shrugs' | ||
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On February 07 2014 10:20 LSB wrote: Lets shit on dead people when there are not here and can't respond yay It's not shitting on anyone. It's just stating what happened in the thread. Did you not read the thread LSB? | ||
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On February 07 2014 10:20 WaveofShadow wrote: I would like to know who people think is final scum right now, to see where we stand. Three votes required for lynch. Actually I'd like to hear who people's #1 AND #2 are to see if we can come to a consensus. I need to read the thread again obviously. And I want to hear what holyflare has to say. He being afk recently is worrying me. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:21 LSB wrote: I have been following this plan since the end of Day 2. Just switch around the names of me and marv We have arrived at an endgame situation and I will do my best to convince you that I am town. 1) The whole Day 2 Debacle. In the day 2 debacle I pushed you guys to lynch me so I could get Rayn. Imagine how stupid would that be if I was mafia. If I shot rayn, there would be 0 mafia members remaining, and thus I would lose. If I don't shoot rayn and instead I shot a townie, I would cast heavy suspicion on rayn and just commit suicide for no apparent reason. But LSB, you ask, what if it was a bus and you were insane and risked being hammer just so you can appear townie? That is a huge risk just so I can bus my partner. Theoretically if DP was mafia it would make sense, but just from a simple headcount it would be impossible for both me and DP to be mafia. 2) Dead townies want you to believe I am confirmed town Promethelax and Marvellosity have sacrificed themselves for the town to arrive at this conclusion. We need to make sure their deaths are not in vane. If you are convinced that I am town what we need to do to win is have you vote yourself, and then shoot the other player. The only reason marv agreed with your plan was because you said you would shoot rayn. You didn't ACTUALLY shoot rayn, you quick hammered fucking holy flare for no reason and now the magical way to win the game is for you to 'not die' You scum bro. Cephiro is FARRRR more likely to be town than you are at this point. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:25 LSB wrote: All I ask of you is to go over day 2 again and convince yourself that I am town What? why would I do that. You need to convince me that you are town. You are talking about how you would of shot rayn which are empty words. That does not make you town. That does not make you anything. Anyway I want to know what cephiro thinks. If anyone puts down I vote I will be furious. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:29 LSB wrote: Let's step back and pretend I am mafia on day 2, and take a second to consider what happens if I lynch myself. I can't shoot rayn, since he is mafia and then we would lose. So I have to shoot someone else. Even though I promised I would shoot rayn. So essentially I am committing suicide to cast more suspicion on my scumbuddy, which is basically impossible. I don't think you would have been lynched. You weren't even close to getting lynched, and the reason you would even suggest it (without getting close to even doing it) is so you could quick hammer us into lylo like you just did and then make this exact argument. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:37 LSB wrote: ##VOTE: LSB #YOLOSWAG ##vote: LSB no way you are town over cephiro. | ||
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He put down a vote. Also you should not be posting until the mods have posted. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:45 Holyflare wrote: you woulda won if you didn't hammer him??? Nope. Him self voting along with the rayn thing would have made him super confirmed town. At that point all town needs to do is to not kill LSB. Ceph would have understood that and shot me if he got lynched and If I got lynched I would have died. I took a 50/50 shot hoping that LSB would follow marv and promes reads of me being like totes town. Scum can't self vote at lylo and win whilst town can so self voting was a really good play. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:47 Aquanim wrote: yeah or he could just have lynched DP. so not such a great play No it was. Because it is something only town can do, I was clearly setting up LSB as the mislynch and then he basically town claimed. So I took the 50/50 | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:50 LSB wrote: DarthPunk either was incredibly stupid since he didn't think I was confirmed town. Or he was mafia. I couldn't think you were confirmed town or I would lose. Town wins with ONE confirmed townie lol. Anyway I think scum played well. This seemed like an incredibly difficult setup for scum but maybe I am biased. If artanis had actually played maybe we would have been in a better spot, but overall I think it was a close game. GG alll ! | ||
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Setup super town imba IMO. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:56 Hapahauli wrote: Town imba yes. Super town imba? No. That was a product of Rayn and Artanis getting outed too quickly. You only need one confirmed town to win. Scum get no way to deal with good town players without suiciding. Win con is harder than normal, Scum have no initiative to make plays and totally rely on town misplaying in IML which by it's nature rarely happens with infinite time. We mis-lynched 4 straight times and still lost because LSB could a.) self vote when scum could not and b.) Was confirmed town and you only need one alive to guarantee a victory. Maybe i'm biased, But i don't think I am and I certanily won't play this setup again. Thanks for hosting though. :D Scum qt:http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/8EDMN7jGwWtT Apologies in advance to marv and prome for all the venting at your expense. Also, prome was scum MVP cause we literally had to rely on prome shooting Artanis over Rayn or town would have won instantly cause marv would be confirmed and then all town needed to do was lynch town reads and shoot scum reads. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:03 marvellosity wrote: "we mislynched 4 straight times" is misleading when the first two lynches were to guarantee mafia flips. Still imba | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:06 marvellosity wrote: I mean it's basically the direct equivalent of "town lynched mafia day 1 and day 2 and mafia got their revenge shots" suddenly seems like town is raping if you put it like that, which is actually correct ;p I mean we sacked rayn to get a shot on you. So you didn't really catch him and artanis didn't play. Anyway. I am happy with the 50/50 outcome cause this game was hard as scum. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:13 yamato77 wrote: The objective is NOT mislynching necessarily, it is to look townie enough to not get shot when a townie is lynched. None of you did that well at all. I was a universal town read Yamato. and if you look too townie town will lynch you to shoot your scum reads (marv, Prome) That is the best way to play. But you can't be lynched as scum, so you can't do the thing town will do and if you look scummy you get shot. Hue. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:16 marvellosity wrote: In any game where 2/3 of the mafia team are outed on day 1, mafia are gonna have a hard time, regardless of setup. I Mean yeah that made it harder. But the setup is still breakable in towns favor in a variety of situations. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:17 yamato77 wrote: Anyway, this game was horrible. Everyone had a shit attitude. Scum were talking about conceding during D1. You don't get to complain about balance when you're not even trying. Yes I do. and I did try. Artanis did not play, and rayn stopped caring. If you say I did not try you are not reading the game. And if you can't talk about the setup objectively then there is no point discussing it anymore. :D | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:19 yamato77 wrote: If you think the best play is to lynch the townie looking players, you're delusional. If those first two shots went wrong, town loses instantly. Not at the start. But as soon as one player is confirmed town. That is exactly what you do. You lynch people likely to be town and shoot your scum reads to deny their shot and then ride the one confirmed town to unwinnable lylo of scum. The fact that town cannot lose in 2-1 lylo with 1 confirmed town is not balanced yamato. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:30 Keirathi wrote: There wasn't an obs thread, just a Skype chat. Made me sad because I dont have skype Did you have me as scum keir? | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:33 Keirathi wrote: Nah, but last time I looked at you was day 1 and I was sure about Artanis and rayn first. I would have certainly lynched HolyFlare over you, but between you, Ceph, and Wave i would have had to do some digging. (Ofc I had marv and LSB as like 99.99999% town.) Well that is good. You have the best track record in reading me after all. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:36 Keirathi wrote: To be perfectly honest though, I dont remember the "triggers" i used to have to read you as scum It was like attacking weak players and dropping good cases for no reason. OR something. | ||
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I know, because there were very few ways to win as scum, and I was trying to think of them. Anyway. I'm just going to avoid funky setups in the future. Also about behavior, prome you and marv were just as big a dick as rayn and I, perhaps more so, and you were town. Pay attention to this wave post from a third party not directly involved in the fight. On February 06 2014 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok. What in the actual fuck is wrong with you people? I can't actually believe what happened in this thread. I probably facepalmed and jaw-dropped about 5 times each. Prome - Where the fuck are people 'congratulating' themselves about findind out about you and refusing to talk to you when you said so? I get that yoiu've created this plan now, but what the fuck kind of play is martyring? If anything you should have been more pissed at the end of Shadow game, where all of us, WERE congratulating ourselves about finding you and whatnot. How come you didn't speak out then? What the shit? And wtf is this? You're doing the same thing as marv all of a sudden---everyone who doesn't call you scum is 'reasonable?' Is this your first game of mafia or something? Marv - Stop fucking patting me on the back for finding you town and adding fuel to the fire. Your play today has been deplorable, and I don't want to be lumped in to a group of players that have been unnecessarily antagonistic all game. I don't care how ridiculous it sounds, but people have every right to think you're scum for the way you have played today. It's so anti-town it's shocking. Like calling everybody who goes against you scum can only go so far. It's insane and stupid to do it for the length that you have. DP/Rayn - The weirdest thing for me here is you guys ARE for the most part actually the calmer and more rational side here, so I don't know what to make of that. I'm still not a fan of your martyring, Rayn, I like even less that you seem to be doing it with a cool head. DP, you're calm now in the face of such stupidity. This describes my experience reading the last few pages. I don't understand where things broke down and what has happened to all of you. I can't tell if this is somebody's scumplay setting people off/faking things or if people are actually genuinely being this ridiculous town v town. You guys have made this game intensely unenjoyable to play. Your play has been full of personal attacks unnecessary rage and has just been all around unacceptable. No idea wtf the hosts have been doing. You can take this post as alignment indicative if you'd like either way, I don't really care. Rayn and I were playing to our win condition and actually looked BETTER than you and marv to a third party. Both of you were also TOWN so not playing to your win condition at all. So I would take a look in the mirror before talking about my behaviour this game prome. | ||
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On February 07 2014 18:52 marvellosity wrote: Lol are you seriously making this argument? You intentionally try to tilt me and call me "fucking useless" at the start and whatever else you were saying to me, and you're attacking me/us for being dicks? Are you for realsies? haha. As I said earlier, mafia won't win any type of setup with 2/3 mafia outed on day 1. The only reason it got close was because people used a light version of dickmove analysis to call you town and town rushed things after artanis and rayn were shot. In the end townies had to get 3/4 shots right or lose the game. I mean imagine this is a standard 9-3 or 10-3 setup and 2 mafia get caught on day 1. Mafia are totally fucked, no way back from that. Only the mechanics of this game made it close. I'm not the only person that feels that way marv. And rayn wasn't going to get lynched in a normal setup. | ||
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On February 07 2014 19:29 marvellosity wrote: Didn't say I wasn't a dick, but you're literally saying "omg you dicks" when your plan was to TRY TO MAKE ME PLAY LIKE THAT. You're saying it as if it's some surprise. And yes I would have got rayn lynched. I always get my man lynched. Always. I doubt it. but w/e. I called you fucking useless, then you went on a rampage so i kept pushing your buttons basically. I'm not saying it was bad, but for prome to chastise me when you were both as bad, if not worse, than I was, whilst playing against your win condition with your rage out's is hypocritical. Also marv, you have called me useless a whole bunch of times, as town, so getting all butthurt like you did and then blaming that behavior on me is just lol. I saw a weakness {your ego/rage) and exploited it. I kind of regret it because the atmosphere of the game turned to shit and it was not fun, but there you go. If you and prome hadn't been so dickish this game (and you were) I would have gained nothing from provoking you. oh and by the way. I did absolutely NOTHING to provoke prome. He was a dick all by himself. | ||
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On February 07 2014 19:29 marvellosity wrote: edit: the reason I'm laughing is because you sat there poking me with a stick repeatedly. and marv-bear got angry, as expected. and now post-game you're going "well marv was a dick too!". Well yes, you sat there poking a bear with a stick. Quelle surprise. And as if "and you were town" lends anything to any argument, I just sat there being poked with a stick by evil scummers. Not my problem. Just like you said HF intentionally provoking me wasn't his problem, and it's even less my problem because I was scum and was just playing the game the best that I could. | ||
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On February 07 2014 19:41 marvellosity wrote: I wasn't playing against my wincon, what a retarded thing to say. You shat up the thread super hard. half the town were pissed at you. Holyflare quit playing the game. I could push you when you were obv town and look townie for it. So basically, RAGING was playing against your wincon. Which is the only reason I did it. | ||
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On February 07 2014 19:44 marvellosity wrote: Except it wasn't. I caught 2 mafia and gave town a confirmed townie. It didn't help my wincon but I was not playing against it "it's ok that i was a cunt because i was mafia" is a shit argument, DP, a really shit one. except you were a bigger cunt, and it's ok because I was also a cunt? | ||
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On February 07 2014 19:46 marvellosity wrote: Who got warned this game by the hosts? You did. That means nothing. Hapa hadn't read the thread until then. Because I was pissed off when that happened and spoke to him about it, Like read wave's post, he is a reasonable 3rd party. He says that both rayn and I looked calmer and more reasonable than you and prome did. Nuff said. | ||
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On February 07 2014 19:49 marvellosity wrote: But you were scum, I mean fucking duh. "Scum are calmer than town" - what a newsflash. Christ DP. It's like walking up to someone and punching them in the face. And they punch you back 5 times. Well, yes. You punched them in the face, no wonder they decided to lay you out. Ok then. But when holy flare punched me and the face and I punched him back 5 times I was unreasonable? But we agree. You were a bigger dick but were intentionally provoked by mafia. Prome was not provoked but was a dick all by himself. Never call marv scum because he will turn into a raging dick. Check. Check. Check. | ||
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On February 07 2014 19:55 marvellosity wrote: Holy made a joke.... he didn't start swearing at you unprovoked. Quite a difference. it's not at all marv. Just like I knew the buttons to press with you, He knew the buttons to press with me. We both pressed them. What is the difference? Like I honestly don't understand how you rationalise this. | ||
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On February 07 2014 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Guys just stop. It was a game that town won. gg. ^^ You're right. Game is done. No point talking about it. | ||
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