EPTI don't know. I do think that the argument between me and rayn was just two town fighting and everyone was silent for the most part because they didn't want to stop us from going at each others' throats.
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I don't know. I do think that the argument between me and rayn was just two town fighting and everyone was silent for the most part because they didn't want to stop us from going at each others' throats. | ||
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On February 13 2014 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn are there any sepecific posts about Vivax/kush you are interested in knowing who posted what? Mattchew any reason why you have STILL not answered my questions i asked at the start of the game? Rob, you said you, Mattchew and QP have played a lot together correct? You and Mattchew seem to be having townreads on each other and on QP. Why do you think QP does not have a townread on either of you two? Is that normal? ~rayn I think I've played less than a handful of games with QP. Only one memorable games where he mislynched me at f3 when both of us were town. I don't remember any other games that we've played. I wouldn't say that I'm able to read him well. In fact, if not for some stuff I picked up from his first post, I would not be clearing him and would say he's about as null a read as any others in here that I've never played with. I just got to work (in 8 inches of snow). No one is here, so I'm gonna take the opportunity to reread d1 so far. | ||
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On February 13 2014 03:23 roundabound wrote: Sounds fine, he's not answering me. Must be mafia! ~rayn I like this 2nd post by rayn. I know it’s a joke and jovial and upbeat, and ultimately someone will bash me for it, but tone wise it’s towny. On February 13 2014 03:31 Mordanis wrote: It's been quite a while since I've played, so I was going to say that I seem to remember that the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished. Clearly this much shenanigans could only be scum. brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone. This seems to me like a preplanned opening post. Mordanis says that “the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished.” While it’s true that people may have voted others for no reason, no one had yelled at anyone at this point. It seems like he tried really hard to come up with what he thought would be a “towny” opening post – even to the point of discussing his own meta in “gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone.” On February 13 2014 03:39 IAmRobik wrote: In that case, roundabound is my top town at this point. Reading back, this is a fairly awkward post from me because it doesn’t explain where my thinking was at. As I later explained (and explained above as well), I was going off of the idea that roundabound’s tone was very jovial and happy and the use of smiley faces was something that I attributed to him being town. I later retract this read because I don’t remember if the tell is accurate or if it’s the opposite tell, but, having said that, I still feel good about roundabound. On February 13 2014 03:50 VIVAX420 wrote: WASSUP BITCHES VIVAX420!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Mattchew and I both thought Vivax was town for this post. The enthusiasm shines in the caps lock. Having said that, I remember the contribution died down after that post – I was expecting him to keep posting, but that didn’t happen to a level that I was satisfied with. On February 13 2014 04:18 sidesprang wrote: ATM we can't figure it out, even if we knew the amount of boxers, I think atleast. So I see no reason in starting that debate atm. Just wait untill we get some flips, and then it might be usefull. Just waste of time atm. I agree with whoever said that this is more likely scum than town. I won’t say that I was baiting a discussion of roles per say, but I do find that mafia are more likely to discuss “easy” topics such as game setup rather than give reads. On February 13 2014 05:48 VIVAX420 wrote: It doesn't help if you say which people you think are town. It helps mafia in finding their targets, and doesn't help us finding scum. I don't get which vote you mean. There's a votecount above you and another guy voting on top of that. Which one is the vote you find good? I don’t know what the bolded part is supposed to mean. Can you please elaborate? What is finding town a bad thing? Rayn, somewhere between the end of page 17 where Grack asks you to form an alliance and page 26 (current page) you agree to this grack-rayn alliance. I will continue reading and see what you say about him now, but do you still think he’s town and are you still willing to be in an “alliance” with him? This feels a lot like a “you’re town” read without actually saying it. This is kinda weird. I do see that vivax is interjecting himself a bit, but I don’t know how I feel about his actual contribution. As people have mentioned, he seems to be hinting at things without actually taking a hard stance on anything. I think that attitude is generally fairly scummy. On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote: Is lynch grack and not look back I commented on edited posts later, but this is a weird one from Mattchew. “Is” should be “Lets” but I don’t know if he was trying to say something originally and changed it or what happened. It’s difficult to mistake those two words. On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote: I'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it? On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play... So, I think it’s abundantly clear by that point that I was 100% sincere in my vote on Thrawn. I posted multiple times that I was unimpressed by his posts “hmmm” “don’t I’m town” and “heh”. I don’t know how one could even question why I was voting for Thrawn. Also, I’m not sure what this “meta case” discussion is about, as Vivax just provided a link to a scum game where Thrawn had played very similarly. Then, instead of discussing Thrawn, Mordanis switches his focus on Vivax, instead of talking about Thrawn, which seems like the more “obvious” thing to discuss: On February 13 2014 06:31 IAmRobik wrote: Did you read his 5 posts today? Specifically the three before I voted. He was around. He saw that I pinged him and he chose not to respond instead of take initiative and actually do something. he still hasn't done anything other than vote on vivax...which is actually not a bad vote for the reason that you gave in your second paragraph. Having said that, I think it's more town than mafia to actually go back and find a specific game as a reference to someone's play being similar to a mafia play as opposed to just saying "hey remember that game we palyed recently where thrawn also lurked and posted nonsense and we lynch him as maf" On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote: I'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie. Moving on: On February 13 2014 06:57 VIVAX420 wrote: Grackaroni is your vote on me still serious? Instead of responding to Vivax, Grack avoids the question and just says hi to shiaopi. If someone asks me a question about a vote that I made, I would most certainly respond to it. I find this weird and generally scummy. On February 13 2014 07:40 ShiaoPi wrote: dunno man, your posts are kind of shitty. If mattchew and robik are well known to you, how do you read them now? The bolded leads me to believe that QP and Shiao are not M/M together. | ||
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On February 14 2014 00:11 roundabound wrote: The alliance thing was a joke. At the time i agreed with him because he was basically saying people are making a big deal out of nothing and being tryhard and there was nothing much interesting going on. ~rayn I was mostly asking to get your opinion of him at this point. I didn't think that the "alliance" was serious. | ||
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Rayn, I'm worried. These guys are super bloodthirsty. Let us form an alliance to protect ourselves. specifically the bolded words. If I had to guess, it's trying to buddy up to a town. | ||
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I agree with this, even if it potentially applies to me as well: On February 13 2014 07:51 roundabound wrote: No, too many words = looking like you are saying stuff when you actually aren't. ~rayn Just reading the beginning of page 20, my read on roundabound is being solidified so much. Dude is oozing town, even if we were being dicks to each other at some point yesterday. On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote: I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it.. The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads. ~rayn rayn, if i'm not mistaken, it seems like you've changed your opinion on mordanis since this post. Is that accurate? Also, I’m pretty much skipping all of the posts that are back and forth between me and Rayn cause they’re a huge clusterfuck and a waste of time and space and shouldn’t have been in the game to begin with and I already have a good idea that he’s town so that’s why I’m not gonna be commenting on it in my analysis, if anyone is wondering. On February 13 2014 09:06 Mordanis wrote: I've got to go to class for a while, but before I go, I just wanted to elaborate on my previous feelings. I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke). Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation. On vivax I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post: vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case. That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get. Mordanis: Can you explain what you mean by the bolded part? Please point me to Thrawns “joke” post that I used to clear him. Thanks. On February 13 2014 11:32 roundabound wrote: This is the worst post in the game thus far. Facts (A) DNP considers IAR "try-hard" (B) DNP chooses to query Rayn about attacking DNP Issues (1) What is DNP read of IAR? <- try-hard is not indicative of any alignment (2) The question itself is so vague/open/non-specific that it goes no-where <- a feigned contribution (3) Where is the follow-up? If Rayn is considered a town read, why ask this useless question If Rayn is considered a scum read, why not pursue this further. <- again, feigned contribution In short, I can not comprehend the intent of this post. I can not comprehend how this post helps in any way, shape or form to ascertain the alignment of rayn and, I can not comprehend why even a bad townie would choose to interject at this point in the discussion with something so useless. Scum right here. ~moc Unfortunately, my connection theory has been already proven wrong.. sigh ##Vote: DNP This is a pretty spot on analysis and should be read and reread. | ||
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Town (in order of strength of conviction): IamRobik (obv), thrawn, rounabound, mattchew, QP Maf (in no particular order): JJD, DNP, Mordanis, grack, sidesprang "Fence" / hasn't posted: ShiaoPi, Gumshoe, Vivax | ||
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Please explain what is inherently scummy about giving out town reads? I can totally see what you are saying with regards to chewy being non-confrontational. This is weird because I perceive him to be a more aggressive player. If I had my choice, I'd very much prefer him to play this game similarly to how he plays on video, but that doesn't seem likely to happen...at least not given how he's played the game so far. | ||
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On February 14 2014 01:10 JarJarDrinks wrote: Well he's clearly not afraid to give his opinion about people so I'd think he'd have some scumreads but he doesn't seem to have any apparently. Scum doesnt want to help lynch innocents so it's possible he doesnt want to give a scumread on anyone untill some townwagons form so he can make sure he doesn't have to be on one of em because he called that person scummy earlier. Couldn't you argue the opposite applies as well? What if wagons form on two people that he has town reads on and then he can't vote on them because he committed to being town on them. I dunno...I think your argument is a tad fallacious. Having said that, I like this post from you, so you might have moved into my "fence" territory: On February 14 2014 01:03 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yes. would lynch scummy <> only indicative of a mafia mindset. You read DNP as scum because he made 1 shitty post and then peaced. I have seen plenty of town make 1 shitty post and go awol for a while. Can you tell me why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset? Uh neither. I think they are both scummy but I think it's unlikely that they are both scum together. Is something wrong w/ that? | ||
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On February 14 2014 03:17 VIVAX420 wrote: I already explained that I see meta as a valid method of finding out if he's scum, cause of the strong impression I got from that game where iamp managed to lynch a scummer D1 merely going off that. Besides, now my read on thrawn has shifted to town cause of the observation about Mordanis he made (which I just quoted), which is insight I would expect from a townie. Rayn, can you please comment on the other guys I wrote about? Do you think those are good points? (ShiaoPi, roundabout) And people got on me for talking about how confusing hydras can be. Also, this is partially the answer that I expected from Vivax, but I kinda thought that he would say "because he spoke up and participated and dropped knowledge and replied really townlike to Rob when he finally did provide content" | ||
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On February 14 2014 03:21 roundabound wrote: That's because as town you don't want shit cases in thread. They distract and do not contribute toward s scumhunting. It's much better if all the cases that are shit are shut down because there is no room for mafia to "choose" the side they take, it gives them less room to hide and promotes the atmosphere where mafia need to ask themselves "if i make this case on a townie what happens? will i be instantly outed?". Always shut down shit cases. Pressure is one thing, but what Mordanis said about VIVAX' case on thrawn was right, the case was terrible. I read it less as a case against him, but more of an enlightening tool. I think it is very valid to conclude that thrawn is mafia if you formulate your opinion based off of a previous game where he played in a similar "lurky" fashion. Wouldn't that be similar to me basing my reads on mattchew off of the fact that he's provided a large town circle, which I think is more indicative of his town play than his mafia play - an opinion i formed on the foundation of previous games we've played together? | ||
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fluff: On February 13 2014 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: No worries there this forum loves spamming. fluff: On February 13 2014 03:40 Grackaroni wrote: Well probably not this player list, but I certainly do. garbage: garbage: On February 13 2014 05:36 Grackaroni wrote: Soooo... What do you think of my Kushm4sta vote? I think it's pretty solid. fluff: On February 13 2014 05:36 Grackaroni wrote: Aaaaah Ninjad. fluff: On February 13 2014 06:12 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn, I'm worried. These guys are super bloodthirsty. Let us form an alliance to protect ourselves. fluff: correct but unsubstantiated: On February 13 2014 09:44 Grackaroni wrote: Rob is probably town. fluff: fluff: On February 14 2014 00:48 Grackaroni wrote: What's wrong with the way Mattchew looks? Looks can be deceiving you know. fluff: On February 14 2014 00:55 Grackaroni wrote: Which one is trump? fluff: On February 14 2014 01:06 Grackaroni wrote: His earlier scum read kind of reminded me of this - lol unsubstantiated vote: On February 14 2014 01:57 Grackaroni wrote: Sheepin' it up. ##Vote: Sidesprang Missed one quote here...it was fluff. some content which "substantiated" his vote, but honestly didn't really do anything to change my mind on him at this point: On February 14 2014 02:06 Grackaroni wrote: Fairly frequently. Basically he showed some interest at the start of the game and then never followed it up when things started happening. He seems the most concerned to me about maintaining his own appearance out of the low content posters. (Which isn't actually saying much, but more so to me than ShiaoPi or Mattchew whose filters I read.) fluff: garbage: On February 14 2014 02:18 Grackaroni wrote: As in we are not both mafia or there must be one mafia between us? fluff: garbage: On February 14 2014 02:24 Grackaroni wrote: I agree. I bet my teammates would be attacking me in thread. I have a knack for pissing them off. Conclusion: Probably mafia. Doesn't give any reads. The majority of his posts are just posts to post. I prefer to lynch mafia, but on the offchance that he flips town, it's a pretty safe lynch anyway if this is the content he's going to bring to the thread. | ||
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On February 14 2014 03:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: Rob, U missed this post: He actually gave something resembling a read here though I don't know why he thought mattchew looked ok from his filter @ that point. yeah...idk...i was copy-pasting them into word cause I don't know if there's another way to do it. The conclusion we can draw from his posts are that he has nothing to offer to the game. The most likely scenario from my perspective is that he's mafia and is afraid of saying something that he shouldn't say, so decides to just post to make it look like he's active. | ||
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On February 14 2014 16:14 roundabound wrote: I figured if u knew mattchew intimately u might be a video mafia guy.either way u bought your replacement a cycle. I have no want to lynch u. Very reasonable approach I think especially compared to others. ##unvote ~moc Hey, so I've been keeping up and found nothing of note to comment on up until now because it seemed that there wasn't a whole bunch of new information provided nor had my reads changed all that much up until DnP started to post. I will say this: I have no clue what to make of DnP at this point. I think it is way easier to make a post, depart for a LONG time and then come in, reread and make the post that he made. The "strangest" part of what he wrong is: On February 14 2014 15:08 DoNotPanic! wrote: Townies: Roundaboud IamRobik Thrawn Vivax420 The first three should be self-explanatory and fairly non-controversial at this stage. Self-explanatory and non-controversial is an easy way to just throw reads out there without giving much substance...which again, he doesn't really do other than just saying that we are active and care about the thread. While I do think that being active and caring about the game is townie, he does not mention any of our posts or anything that even "sounds" townie to him besides our consistent posting. I would be very hesitant about giving his "replacement a cycle." I'll post more when I get to work. I just woke up and opened the thread and wanted to catch up and had to comment as this caught my eye. | ||
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On February 14 2014 09:27 roundabound wrote: Agreed An interesting observation with sidesprang was the need to repeatedly interject when he is discussed, but not contribute to anything further. Originally I thought the first interjection was nullish, as both town and scum have a need to cock-block points against them. Its the act of "active-lurking" that i do not appreciate as a town trait. Still waiting on DoNotPanic QP response to the reads on him was acceptable in my opinion. I would like to see his mindset on others items in the thread though. Even if scum was Mattchew+IAR; thats only 2 of 3. ~moc Moc, I disagree with this, but I do want to hear WAY more from QP. His contribution so far has been lackluster. | ||
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