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OnceKing
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You say some posts by Lord Tolkien are bad. Why are they bad? Just pointing out random things and calling them bad isn't going to help us. N1k0: You say you've been lurking but you've only got one read? What about the enormous mess between Lord Tolkien and myself?? What's your opinion on that situation? | ||
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OnceKing
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Valenius, you've been up and about! But you've almost completely avoided the topic of the argument between Lord Tolkien and me, what's up? And what do you make of these two situations? | ||
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OnceKing
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I disagree with you on a number of reads, but that's fine: Valenius -- yes, he began the game by speculating on setup but since then has been giving reads. n1k0 -- I'm now unsure what to make of him, perhaps leaning town. He believes that Tolkien and I are both town which is fine, but he expresses doubt in his own vote which I absolutely detest. From reading IAmRobik's filter though I see that he's still voting for theDragoon -- while this was reasonable at the beginning of the day I feel that he's been trying to contribute and think there are much better candidates now (mainly Lord Tolkien). If you're convinced that the mafia are Tolkien and Valenius why is your vote not on them? | ||
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OnceKing
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Amiko -- should Cavalinho (who is currently set to be lynched) flip green, who would your next suspect be? | ||
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OnceKing
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I agree that N1k0 has not contributed enough if really at all despite IAmRobik's statement that he has, but neither has Beneather. I can't see any contradiction in N1k0's post, just uncertainty in his vote placement. In addition he himself is now OMGUSing despite talking so much about it being bad earlier... what's up with that? | ||
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OnceKing
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Yes, I swapped to him and then he swapped onto me. This is the correct order of events. However, a few things of note: - I actually persisted in voting for Amiko until he made his large contributory post. He volunteered so much content there and has since been contributing regularly in a good way so my read on him has since changed. - I made my large case on you (and you on me). I was pushing for you because once again I felt that you had quite the number of posts with very few original ideas -- anything you said had already been voiced by Amiko or me, but here's why I'm really uncomfortable about you. Very indecisive, potential for yourself to pull it out later and say you weren't sure. Personally, I take it scummy; indecisive votes are my pet peeve. Decide on a vote and be decisive about it. On February 17 2014 08:16 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'm not entirely convinced that Amiko is red, but I don't think at this point it matters. ##vote Amiko Depending on the flip: 1) Die scum die 2) Sorry mang, but take one for the town You do so the exact same here! You've justified it as lynching for information but as I've already said Amiko flipping green would say absolutely nothing about my alignment (though perhaps something about Cavalinho's bandwagon vote!), merely that I thought he was scum. Do you disagree with that? However I also believed that we had reached an impasse and have discussed the topic of your motivations for voting me and my motivations for voting you to death, so I wanted to get people's reads on other things. | ||
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OnceKing
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Care to elaborate, theDragoon? Re: expanded read analysis of everyone There's no purpose towards me making a list of everyone and saying what I think of them. Is this what you're asking for LT? I mean, what does it add to discussion if I say I don't know what to think of Beneather, for example? You would learn basically nothing if I only say things that are very moderate, so I post only my strongest reads -- who I think is probably mafia, and who I think is most clearly town. | ||
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OnceKing
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Let's consider the events and spread of votes from the previous day. The largest argument of the day was between LT and me. Let's think about what a player of each alignment would do at this point in the game. A town member would either back a side if he believed one of us to be scum, or if he believed neither of us to be scum would voice his dissatisfaction with our argument. In fact, there's no reason for a town member not to have something to say about it! On the other hand, if one of LT and I were mafia, then a mafia member would attempt to subtly back a side and cause a mislynch, then go "whoops! I thought he was mafia!". Consider, however, the scenario in which LT and I are both town. Then the mafia sits back and watches the circus. So the question here is, who avoids the topic? Valenius does, as does Beneather. Here's what Valenius had to say: On February 18 2014 04:57 Valenius wrote: [...] LT/Amiko would be my other choices, and as I stated I cant get a solid read on LT, so i'm avoiding the LT/Amiko vote for the moment. [...] That's it. He completely avoids taking sides on the topic and I think with how much LT and I were posting one can only have strong opinions about our alignments at this point in the game. Instead he votes for IAmRobik because IAmRobik called some of his posts useless, and from a "gut feel". Beneather also confusingly stated that he didn't think LT was mafia, and then tries to discredit him. He does however come back with what I believe to be a reasonable case on Valenius, so as much as I hate consensus so early in the day I'm going to have to agree that Valenius is the most suspicious and I need to hear more from him. But wait! Why can't he get a solid read on LT? As he says himself... [...] There's enough posts by the 'main' bunch so far to provide reads as the game progresses. I can't get a solid read on LT. [...] | ||
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In fact over half of your post seems to be a bunch of fluff justifying your reads on people who've already died, putting doubt onto Tolkien and then concluding that n1k0 is mafia because he had incorrect reads and lurking. Lurking can be scummy yes, but calling someone scum for being wrong is just nonsensical. Tell me, why is theDragoon town? | ||
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OnceKing
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Until very late in the day here were his only two meaningful posts: On February 18 2014 00:39 N1k0 wrote: Oh i have been lurking since i dont feel like i have something solid to contribute yet. On February 18 2014 00:43 N1k0 wrote: The one read i have is IAmRobik not being a vanilla townie, whether that means hes red or blue i have no idea yet. Keep in mind that by this time I've already attacked Amiko, then withdrawn my vote, then turned around and had much of my argument with LT. And yet the person he has a read on is IAmRobik? Then I pressed him to have an opinion here: On February 18 2014 02:54 N1k0 wrote: Amiko He's more likely to be town than maf, in the case hes red hes more likley to be Godfather than Roleblocker or Goon( tho i dont think theres any roleblockers since we are only 9 players) so i wouldnt waste an investigation on him since him being a Goon is the less likely scenario. Why do i think he likely to be the Godfather in the scenario he is mafia? because of him trying to drive the conversation at the start of the day and then fading away. That being said i feel hes more likely to be town because of the fact that he hasn't been trying to deflect the threats he has received, but instead he been posting with the interest of town in his mind instead of trying to save himself. Cavalinho At the moment i feel like hes the most likely to be a red since his fast jump on OnceKing's accusation of Amiko, i feel like he saw an opportunity to get some traction behind a lynch early and jumped on it. In the case Cavalinho ends up being red that would probably mean OnceKing is town since i dont think they would both vote so quickly on the same target if they both were mafia. Lord Tolkien I dont really know what to think, hes trying hard to get someone lynched and as soon as he saw the case against Amiko losing traction he switched his stance and went against OnceKing. He's seems to be pushing for any lynch as long as its one that would have an important effect on the lynch on d2 which i feel worried about since we dont really know how many mafia there are and getting a townie (or even a blue) lynched against 3 reds would put us on a hard position. Ultimately i'm leaning to think hes town since he appears to be ok with him getting lynched as long as it results in a lynch of OnceKing on d2 who he believes to be mafia (tho he could be bluffing). OnceKing I feel like he is the less likely to be scum because of his being the first to throw a stone at someone, which could of getting him a lot of attention on him. If Lord Tolkien ends up being green or blue it would probably raise my suspicions of him but for the moment i really feel like hes town. In the possible scenario that im wrong and he ends up being mafia that would probably mean there where 3 reds (instead of the more likely 2 because of being 9 players) since if there where only 2 it would be less likely for one of them to throw the first accusation at someone. For the momment im gonna go with the ##vote Cavalinho but i'm not too confident on it Pretty much his summary of everyone is "I don't know, could be town or could be mafia." How's it constructive to just have no opinion on anyone? He says Amiko might be Godfather using the same reasoning LT said I might be Godfather (not original content), uses the same argument that Amiko used against Cavalinho (once again, not original), then on the topic of LT and me he just doesn't have an opinion or is reluctant to give one other than "uhhhhhh not mafia i guess" Let's go back and look at what Cavalinho posted. On February 17 2014 16:57 Cavalinho wrote: [...] And OnceKing is my strong townread as of right now. I see absolutely no reason for anyone to vote him for any reason, so Lord Tolkein voting him makes my stomach churn. [...] See how he, as Valenius stated, openly aligns himself with me? He just plainly says that he thinks I'm town and that LT is scummy in the other parts of the same post. On the other hand n1k0 just posts a bunch of stuff looking doubtfully at both of us, then reluctantly comes up with the most hesitant "reads" of all time, and proceeds to (meekly) vote for Cavalinho. We can see the trend of meekness continues to stick out: On February 18 2014 09:38 N1k0 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 18 2014 09:10 Lord Tolkien wrote: Fine. For you cal, I'll do one last analysis of it, and be extra critical of his post. I addressed this before: his initial post is not enough to condemn him as godfather, and he didn't "fade away". It can be construed as scummy yes, but the other conclusions aren't the best. He was indeed deflecting the threats at the time of his case opening, and attempting to explain his reasoning. Your argument is mostly just about his bandwagoning. Is there any other reason you're voting him over, say, me? I would like an explanation. My issue with this underlined section is that I swapped my stance against OnceKing after he swapped over to me, I think that's pretty clear. I already stated I was unsure if he was just pointing fingers and just letting town tear themselves apart with no firm commitment himself as a godfather, or just a townie who's just directing town attention instead of actively participating with definitive reads and reasoning, and it was solidified after the random move onto me (and indicated as such before he pushed onto me). You are correct: I'm looking for a lynch on Day 1 that will have the most impact for town in Day 2, given the unlikelihood of us actually lynching scum. If I'm that lynch, so be it, I'm fine with it. Based on your analysis, the extrapolation is that we should be lynching me Day 1, so we can get a clear picture of OnceKing and lynch him, or progress onto Cal Day 2 if I ended up turning red. I still don't buy this, as being the first one to throw the stone, and then not really committing to the case, is just as readily done by a godfather looking to misdirect town attention; first onto Amiko, and then about-face onto me, after I gave my read about him either being town or possibly godfather. If I ended up green or blue, no suspicion would've been cast onto him if I wasn't being so vocal about a double-lynch (or vig shot at night if I turned up green). He was directly pushing hard onto me until I brought that up; now he's just referencing it in passing instead of actively pushing a case (like Amiko, again), and that I think is damning. His opinions are fairly unclear, and without strong reasoning involved thus far. But it again is just me, and people don't believe me. I also don't see why there needs to be three mafia with him being the first one to throw an accusation. That's a needless extrapolation. Very indecisive, potential for yourself to pull it out later and say you weren't sure. Personally, I take it scummy; indecisive votes are my pet peeve. Decide on a vote and be decisive about it. I'll open this up as a possible valid avenue of lynch and be willing to move my vote to him if everyone else decides upon it, but there's very little time and I'm expecting Cav or me (currently it appears to beCav) to be lynched. I'll try to respond to the doubts you have but ill be brief since im heading out First about Amiko, i started feeling him to be a red but as the day went on this suspicion went lower and lower, currently i believe him to be town, the reason i think that if he is red he's likely to be godfather is that since he tried to start the conversation which would most likely bring attention to himself which if he were red would make him vulnerable to not only getting lynched but also an investigation (which would not be a problem if he were godfather), but as i said i feel he is more likely to be town that mafia at the moment. Why Cavalinho and not you, Cavalinho seems way more defensive than you do, and you argue with the town in mind instead of trying to save your own ass, even saying that what good could actually come out of your lynch (tho you could be a really good bluffer), plus i feel like Cavalinho jumped way too fast behind OnceKing's acusation of Amiko, 10 minutes after OnceKing's post looks like he saw an opportunity to get traction behind someone and jumped on it before it could fade away. I agree with you that my indecisive vote is a really scummy thing to do, but i was just being honest about it, i am not sure of his mafianess but i feel like he is the most likely one to be at the time. Im heading out now, but ill try to come back before the end of the cycle. On February 20 2014 06:33 N1k0 wrote: Sorry i want able to respond earlier, but here we go. 1) I feel like right now we should be looking hard at the lurkers, Valenious, Beneather and myself mainly because of the lowest amount of information in order to form reads. Valenious Right now i feel like hes the most likely to be scum, this is because i feel like his posts have been the less comitted ones out of all (mainly being defensive ones), he avoided jumping on any of the 3 likely lynches on day 1 (myself, LT, Cav) and kept his vote on Robik, he could've saved Cav by switching to me or LT (who he said would've been his other choice with Amiko if he didnt vote Robik). + Show Spoiler + [..] Overall, I'd be choosing between IAmRobik / LT / Amiko. The issue with this is, I can't see LT having pushed so hard (see above) on Amiko that early in the game if they were bros. ##vote IAmRobik [..] LT/Amiko would be my other choices, and as I stated I cant get a solid read on LT, so i'm avoiding the LT/Amiko vote for the moment. The only townie move out of him i saw was pushing me to post my thoughts. Beneather I feel like he contriubited a little more than Valenious but not too much. He too like valenious voted for someone out of the 3 2 vote lynces which i see as a scummy move trying to keep uncommited, when he casted his vote and posted his case on Valenious he was not likely to be lynched since this was the first acussation being thrown at Valenious there wasnt much time left on the day for there to be a 2 vote switch onto Valenious. You asked me to list you three potential lynches for today but i dont have anyone that i read as likely scum outside of Valenous and Beneather at the moment. I do have a strong town read on LT, i would have a moderate town read on theDragoon if it wasnt because of his vote on LT because he thought he saw a mafia slip on him. 2) Im not what post were you referring to. 3) As i said in my suspisions of Beneather and Valenous i feel like scum would love to manage to get a misslynch without commiting at all on any of the likley lynches. I have a soft town read on you at the moment, the fact that Cav flipped green doesnt change my opinion of you because i feel like we both read him as scum because of the same reasons. While the second post might LOOK good let's take a look at what he's REALLY saying. Note the tone of fear and not wanting to stick out in his posts! First he suggests we should look towards inactives. Wonderful! Except all he does is give names, and everyone knows who's been inactive already -- not to mention this isn't something that Amiko and I haven't already said. Then he just parrots what Amiko and Beneather have said about Valenius, then talks about Beneather with exactly the same stuff Amiko was using with potential vote switches to save a townie Cavalinho. If he were town, shouldn't he just say something such as "ya I agree"? Why need to fake that you have something to add and type a lot when you can get your point across concisely? The only reason is because he wants to look like he's contributing. Once again, he really refuses to point fingers except at Valenius who's already fallen under suspicion and on top of that didn't provide his own reasons to be suspicious of him, merely others' -- this might be ok had he simply said that he agreed but instead he made a big long post that boiled down to "please think I'm contributing as I bandwagon this vote". In fact, of his three points, 1 was already brought up by others such as Amiko, LT and me (Amiko did votes and said mafia wouldn't switch, LT looked at activity and said mafia are inactive, I looked at topics of discussion and said mafia were avoiding them) 2 doesn't even mean anything 3 is repeating what he said in 1, which as I stated was already brought up. None of this is original content and it seems he's been trying his best to pretend as if he's contributing when really he isn't. Here's another golden example of parroting what's already been said: On February 20 2014 07:34 N1k0 wrote: You have posted more than Beneather, but most of your post have defensive/ filler instead of giving your opinions (mainly on the topic of LT vs OK), im not saying Beneather contributed much more than you, i just feel like his post on you was a lot more committed than your posts. Of course this was before your big post tho. All of this is enough evidence for me to ##VOTE n1k0 | ||
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OnceKing
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the situation is that n1k0 is getting lynched, there's not a whole lot of stuff to say about it (yet). He isn't even bothering to deny it. As for your scenarios I really think you're overly concerned about this -- let's just kill the scum | ||
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2) I think the mafia bussed him. Of course there's no way to know this but I'm reminded of this: XXXVIII Boot Camp/Analysis. Here's what Ver said on the topic: So as soon as we hit red, that was one mafia down. Obviously that had an enormous effect on the game, because there was not one single lynch where the mafia team mobilized their forces to take us on in the thread and in the voting booth at once. Instead every single time they hurriedly stepped to the side and said 'please, go right ahead and kill my buddy good sir.' Pretty awesome right? Looking forward I think my top suspects/people I'm looking at hardest will be inactives (obviously) and people who were very hesitant or reluctant to vote for N1k0 who (imo) had a pretty clear cut case against him. My strongest town read is LT (hilarious how I would never have said this day 1) with the way he's been posting since he's being forward and making a lot of sense. | ||
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OnceKing
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Also here's a meta nitpick On February 20 2014 12:54 Lord Tolkien wrote: You shouldn't ever say that you are "voting to pressure" or "building a case for pressure" because that defeats the purpose of it (they know that you don't really think they're scum, so they're not threatened by it, so there's no pressure).I would like Beneather to contribute NOW, and I will bring up a case against you, even if only to pressure. But back to the topic at hand! So, inactives and hesitant voters: actually not that many people were inactive day 2 other than Beneather. We know the people who were inactive on day 1 though, and we also want to look for hesitant voters. Keep in mind when I say hesitant voters here I don't necessarily mean people who have voted N1k0 late but instead people who are either: a) looking for reasons not to vote him/vote someone else b) bring up convincing points vs N1k0 but do not follow them up (relatively quickly) with their vote c) bring up convincing points vs N1k0 but vote for someone else I haven't time yet to look through everyone's filters to determine who fits these criteria as I have class in fifteen minutes, but I will be when my day ends and everyone else should too. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [first big post] + Alright, I've finally gotten to go back and re-read everything in this QT. Am I allowed to post the link to my QT? I presume I can discuss coaching here since nobody here is actually playing any longer. Overall my thought process for most of the game was fuck the fact that I'm a power role, I just want to go as hard as possible as long as possible and force mafia to either kill me or step up and try to outargue me. I think the way I played the first day was really sloppy and I tunneled on LT way too much. The initial statement I made on Amiko I feel still was fine as it gave us a direction and point to discuss off of. However what happened afterwards was simply terrible, Cav piled onto Amiko without adding anything new (which I wouldn't properly differentiate from scum parroting until after he flipped), LT went onto Amiko for what I felt were the most dubious of reasons. My reads at this point were: scum? - Amiko, LT, inactives (Beneather and N1k0 have not posted yet) town? - myself, IAmRobik no idea - everyone else Elaboration on why I felt Robik was town -- he asked some random question that I felt was obviously an attempt to pressure a productive response out of an inactive. More or less a gut read without anything substantial to back it up. In fact I was completely unconvinced by Amiko's defense of himself but he made a large post here that I thought was reasonable (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...8¤tpage=7#139). The second quote he had off Cav was dumb imo, I think it's completely reasonable for a townie being willing to rescind his vote to get more reads. Afterwards I went onto LT. My reasons were... kinda legit. Actually I used the same reasoning a lot to push the case forward on N1k0, but afterwards I felt that perhaps LT is correct in that I didn't take context of his posts into account properly. The reason why part of the reason why I scumread him for discussing setup at all was because I think discussion of town policy and "what should x role do" and "what if there are y mafia in the game" is silly -- as town at its most basic the game is "vote who you think are the bad guys". That's why when he said he wanted to vote for information I wanted to kill him IMMEDIATELY, as I recall in many past analyses it's been written by many people that the reason to vote for someone is because you think they're scum. After a bit I stated that I felt a split situation on votes would be good and I stand by this statement... I certainly didn't expect the decision to be SO split (2 votes for a lynch?? ugh, terrible but I didn't want to just whine at the town afterwards for not clumping up more on votes because I didn't see the POINT of saying such a thing) -- I ideally would have wanted a 3-6 split or a 4-5 split. The idea here would have been that mafia either piled onto a wagon to push it over the edge to save a teammate, or spread out amongst the two wagons because both would be town so they wouldn't particularly care who'd be lynched day 1. Anyway... LT and I got into a shouting match which probably made it kinda clear that we were both probably town and just stinking up the town atmosphere but I was tunneling WAY too hard to notice this. I think at this point the day was basically over and people were just pointing fingers at each other like a bunch of idiots lol... so day 1 what I could have DEFINITELY FOR SURE done better: 1. Work on constructing solid cases against players -- nobody did this well at all actually but that doesn't excuse it. I wanted to make posts that were concise but this resulted in me glossing over a lot of details to the point where I was actually called nitpicky because it looked like I was only attacking random points without any cohesion. This was probably true. 2. Pressure inactives better. Turns out the post I got out of N1k0 is really what I used to get him lynched later but I feel like a complete idiot trying to make people talk. I "could" vote for them but I think policy lynching inactives is pretty stupid... what suki said at the beginning of the QT about policy lynching lurkers if done at all should be done early makes a lot of sense but I don't think it's a good way to lynch scum. I guess what it gives you is that if you DO end up voting an "inactive" who's just scum lurking then mafia have to show their hand a bit to force the lynch onto some other inactive (but this isn't very difficult either is it?) I'm guessing that point 2 could have potentially led earlier to the lynch of N1k0...?? who knows. It didn't happen and in retrospect he slipped up pretty obviously but hindsight is 20/20. Unfortunately I was tunneling too hard/didn't feel that anyone was making logical enough of arguments onto the inactives to justify me switching off LT. At the end of the day I *felt* like my case had relatively more substance than just "look at this guy, he's contradicted himself!" without saying where but clearly this wasn't so. So during the night I randomly got scared of being NKed and just avoided saying anything. This was a terrible reason and I discussed why later in the topic actually right before being NKed (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=19#362). I saved Amiko because he was a stronger town read. Looking back... sure, I can understand why I did that. I wouldn't blame myself for doing that again. On day 2... I don't remember precisely what it was that inspired me to look at N1k0. Amiko's vote analysis was pretty legit so I actually went off on the direction and asked myself who was it that didn't say ANYTHING about the huge topics during the day. I actually discussed this before in my QT wherein I said that I felt that I word vomited way too much and didn't apply pressure properly during the first day and it was brought up that people who don't have opinions on big issues are scummy too. In hindsight this is clear but often in the heat of the moment I have trouble evaluating situations objectively. So I went back through the filters of Beneather, N1k0, Valenius and theDragoon. Beneather was posting very little and I didn't have a lot to go off of but he had this random ass vote on Valenius that he was alone in -- he didn't comment on my spat with LT at all but I felt the direction he was heading off on by himself was... okay? I couldn't tell at the time if he was just trying to contribute but not stick out or just look for an excuse to vote someone randomly. theDragoon... gosh I don't even remember. I distinctly remember townreading him at one point then going back through his filter and being like geez why did I townread this guy, did I really just think he's town because he agrees with me?? That's so stupid lol Anyway going back and looking again I think I passed over him a bit because he had a definite opinion on me at the very least, so he passed my (very weak) criteria of "willing to take a side". Valenius ignored the topic almost entirely. I scumread him off of that. N1k0's post after reading it several times I just couldn't understand the point of him saying anything that he said from a townie's perspective. As I had previously mentioned in my QT I hated that I had explicitly posted random thoughts that were completely unnecessary to post and I felt that I had made other people end up doing it too so then I couldn't fish out who was posting dumb stuff because they were influenced by my dumb stuff and who was posting dumb stuff to look like they were contributing, but ultimately I decided to seal the deal on N1k0 especially as after I made my case on him he didn't even bother TRYING to address it. Ah! I remember what set me off onto N1k0 now, Valenius made a post accusing him because he had been completely wrong about his prior reads which I thought was a silly criteria for marking someone as scum but I wanted to see what the reads were (were they wishy washy for example, which they completely were) to make sure. So what could I have done better on the second day? Here's what I think for sure: After catching N1k0 I should have just gone fucking IN and kept scumhunting like mad. I kept waiting for him to defend himself and realized too late it wasn't coming, instead I should have been building cases and rereading posts to look for the other mafia member and just fucking nail all of them to the wall at once. Instead I sat around twiddling my thumbs and just died despite my "efforts" to shift the hit towards Lord Tolkien instead of myself (rip). Ultimately I think I played... alright. I really feel that I did better than most of the other players though there's no good way of knowing -- Cavalinho and Robik both died before me so who knows what they could have done better in my position. Of course all the more experienced players here are right though -- this was my first game and it really shows (even ignoring that excuse... all play was super sloppy and extra newbie for a newbie game as Promethelax said at the beginning of the QT). Still by explaining my thought processes through much of the game I hope I can shed some light on why I made which moves I did (and maybe earn brownie points?? omg), perhaps lower the amount of disappointment that I'm sure some people had about play this game and get some constructive criticism. + Show Spoiler [on beneather] + I thought he was town because while everybody was arguing back and forth about other stuff he would weigh in just a bit on it and then go in some completely different direction with his reads. Ex. day 1, he pops in at the very end of the day and goes "uhhh yeah guys I think it's Valenius" when no one was really looking at Valenius before. I think this speaks to being a lazy townie because I don't feel it fits into what a mafia member would do -- someone in the mafia member would likely instead just try to skirt around the big issues of the day and just not really accuse anyone. I dunno, because he's inactive there's not a whole lot to go on. Honestly had I lived I may have wanted to lynch him too (?). I'm not sure on that though because it's just way too easy of a free lynch for mafia to take and it would have been a day closer to LYLO were he town. Like, look how completely unanimous the vote is. Everyone's on Beneather. So this day has even less discussion than the previous day, and by God was day 2 completely boring! At least stuff happened on day 1, but on day 2 here's what happened: 1. people are suspicious of valenius 2. i am suspicious of N1k0 3. N1k0 doesn't try at all and dies Here's what's happening day 3: 1. Beneather is inactive 2. Beneather is dead Nobody even talks about anything because they're just like "yep we're set on this lynch now", there are 4 votes on him and zero votes elsewhere so there's nothing TO talk about ("why are you voting for Valenius instead of Beneather?" for example, I'm not yet convinced Valenius is town lol) and town just wastes 48 hours where they could be scumhunting as opposed to... I dunno, sitting around agreeing to lynch Valenius. This is just so ideal for mafia where they can sit back and say things that mean nothing (Valenius: "If Beneather turns up Blue/Green, I'm going to be pissed. His other games he seems to just randomly go afk and never post again, and those were a mix of blue/green games." for example) while stalling for time, which is what mafia want to do anyway that I just can't see Beneather really flipping red atm. | ||
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