EPTI'd like to give this a shot.
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OnceKing
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I'd like to give this a shot. | ||
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OnceKing
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On February 16 2014 15:16 Cavalinho wrote: Oh, so I'm clear now. Cool. Hey guys, I'm clear. aite he claimed town friends i think hes town  | ||
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OnceKing
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thats the way this game works right | ||
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OnceKing
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Why? Look at his introductory post. What do you immediately note about it? Probably that it's huge (relative to the rest of the posts this game). So this by itself doesn't mean anything. But let's examine the contents of this post. Paragraph 1: Random stuff about not having played before, a random claim to be townie when no one asked, and other filler. Oh, and an excuse to be regularly inactive. This is all filler. Paragraph 2: Gives a list of inactives like three hours into the game and promises he'll be back after refusing to actually cast suspicion on anyone. All in all, there's really no reason for this post to be so large and say so much fluff unless he's just trying to look helpful. ##VOTE Amiko | ||
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OnceKing
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And why does this being a newbie game mean we should be more forgiving towards scummy posts? This will only let scum hide even more. And now I'll respond to what Amiko wrote hopefully convincing others to put up their votes and cases: On February 17 2014 05:34 Amiko wrote: I think this early the only information we have is on ourselves - votes change too much to mean anything unless you give some kind of reasons for your actions. So I am glad to explain why I may vote for people (being idle) or the only town read I had at the time (Lord Tolkein asking about innocent child). I don't like OneKing's reasoning for voting me, though - (1) you want to discourage long posts, which I think hurts town (2) you classify saying you are town as scumsided rather than neutral (3) you claim (probably joking) that you are clear, and (4) providing the time you shouldn't expect posts from me (morning MST) merely provides a time, I'm sure there are times you sleep/commute as well and I would like to know them so you don't have an excuse for silence down the line. That said, I think OnceKing is acting slightly townsided because he has at least started some discussion by giving a reason for his vote, even if it is misguided. Moving forward, I see Cavalinho's post as scummy - Cavalinho, what were your reasons for wanting to lynch me? The same reasons as OnceKing, or is there anything else to add? If you wanted to suggest voting me, why not suggest it in your earlier post? 1) No. I am NOT discouraging long posts. *I* had a relatively long post. I am encouraging CONSTRUCTIVE posts, and discouraging people posting a bunch of crap and pretending that it's good just because of its length. 2) Completely and randomly out of place. What was the context of you saying this? Nothing, it was just... there. For no reason whatsoever, as compared to Cavalinho's statement that he was cleared or cleared people or whatever in the context of banter about being clear. 3) No 4) Ok yes this makes sense but I'm not convinced this isn't a reason you made up to justify your excuses. Congrats, you're completely misinterpreting what I've said (points 1 and 2) or said something completely wrong (point 3). I'm only more convinced you're scum now. | ||
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On February 16 2014 16:06 theDragoon wrote: Nice, we finally got this started, all that early voting made me lol a bit. Gonna hit the sack soon, see ya'll tomorrow What do you think of the Amiko lynch and what are your reads on everyone involved? | ||
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OnceKing
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On February 17 2014 08:16 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'm not entirely convinced that Amiko is red, but I don't think at this point it matters. ##vote Amiko Depending on the flip: 1) Die scum die 2) Sorry mang, but take one for the town What? Of course it matters man. Who do you think is scum? | ||
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OnceKing
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Valenius what are your reads? More specifically I'd like to know what you think of Cavalinho and Lord Tolkien but other reads are welcome. | ||
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OnceKing
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On February 17 2014 09:31 Valenius wrote: I'd agree with this point for the most part. However, lynching a lurker would become the best option (in my eyes) if the next 27hrs of discussion don't lead to a solid read on a scum. I'd imagine it's easier to read someone's behaviours later on if they've already been posting. This is not a read. You're just saying you agree with one part of a post by him. What are your READS? | ||
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OnceKing
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Why is Lord Tolkien town to you if all you have to say about him is that you agree that a policy lynch on lurkers is stupid (it is) and that he's made an irrelevant post? | ||
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OnceKing
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I actually agree with you regarding your points on Cavalinho and Lord Tolkien. More specifically I feel that they've both jumped onto the wagon I'm pushing onto you without contributing anything themselves: Cavalinho just said I beat him to it and Lord Tolkien, well... Going through his filter here's what Lord Tolkien's got: - random soft defense of you from before our roles came out - says he's unconvinced that Amiko is scum, then votes for him saying his vote doesn't matter (???)* - quoted a Cavalinho hypothetical scenario breakdown and just said he agreed with it without adding anything - takes no sides -- I'm either "town or Godfather", Cavalinho is "slight scum" or "moderate town", Beneather being slightly scum for voting him (???) - speculates on setup (meh) - focuses an awful lot on Godfather/NKs *Yes, your vote always matters. If you're town then this is your weapon. The only thing is that he's been posting a lot which I appreciate but I just don't see anything original coming out of him, and here's a disconcerting post... On February 17 2014 08:14 Lord Tolkien wrote: Since we have to lynch someone (I don't think we can go for no lynchings), I'm fine lynching Amiko and, assuming we have a Cop, checking either you (most favorable) or OnceKing (I read him as townish, but just to make sure). How we move forward Day 2 depends on how Amiko reads and if we get a red read (which isn't reliable since Godfather, and we probably have a 33%-50% chance of that being the fake read we get, and we might not have a Cop), but unless something new comes up, that's my (newbie) analysis of what we should do. Yeah, we're all newbies here. Why bring it up? I reiterate, who CARES how much experience we do or don't have? Presumably we've all read guides or bits and pieces of other games or something else -- why should you want to detract from your own analysis unless you're trying to hide? | ||
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OnceKing
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Therefore, ##VOTE Lord Tolkien | ||
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OnceKing
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Great job so you supported me on the lynch I started, so what? The question isn't what you did but instead how you did it. You supported my lynch by... how again? Remind me because I can't recall you actually contributing anything except trying to throw doubt on the people who started the wagon while joining the wagon yourself. The icing on the cake is now you say you're sold on the wagon when previously you were unconvinced, then you were voting him for dubious reasons -- now that you've been called on it you claim to have been solidly on it when a quick perusal of your filter shows that this is in fact not the case. And hey let's even ask what it means about me if Amiko gets lynched flips green. Spoilers: It means absolutely nothing! If I'm town, how do I have any definite knowledge of what he is? I don't, therefore I can only use the tools I have available to me which are logic and scumhunting, now being turned onto you. Think IAmRobik's scummy, or anything? Make a case and vote him. | ||
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This is why I stated that, while I'm wasn't entirely convinced about Amiko being red, I was willing to go with a lynch on him. It would reveal information about OnceKing and Cavalinho depending on which way he flipped. Ahahahahaha. Lynching for "Information". Ya ok definitely voting you now. How's this for information. We lynch Lord Tolkien and he flips red. Sound good to all? | ||
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OnceKing
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o well, strike that point then. Alright then everyone has two options here as to what they want to believe. 1. I'm mafia. I just went from "probably town or Godfather" by posting without fear because I'm continuing to post completely unfearfully and want to get someone lynched instead of sitting back and letting the town do stupid stuff like speculate about setup or ask pointless questions such as "r u mafia" OR 2. I'm town. I think this guy who obsesses over power roles and night actions instead of lynching mafia is scum, but misread one of his posts. He votes for dubious reasons, dismisses any arguments brought against him while not addressing anything but the weakest points ("here, let me quote an old post, that will allay any fears!") or scumhunting. Also, his initial statement on Amiko basically rehashes what mine was and Lord Tolkien confusingly had his vote on him for the longest time despite "not being sold" or Amiko providing a "decent defense" because he wanted to lynch for information instead of lynching to kill scum. Lord Tolkien has contributed nothing new despite having a multitude of posts other than attacking me just now. Let's tango. | ||
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OnceKing
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1. I'm mafia. I just went from "probably town or Godfather" by posting without fear to SURE SCUM because I'm continuing to post completely unfearfully and want to get someone lynched instead of sitting back and letting the town do stupid stuff like speculate about setup or ask pointless questions such as "r u mafia" Obviously I've considered one scenario above the other | ||
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OnceKing
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I should note is that he started asking for reads after I made my initial list of reads, and listed him as either town or scum. His attempts to encourage discussion and push on me occurred after that (I'm reading this as his attempting to establish a town read0; he was not involved in the case against Amiko outside the initial post, which may simply just be an attempt to confuse people (or convince people that they aren't working together; either way). Err. It was my asking that prompted you to post your list. Check this out: On February 17 2014 09:00 Lord Tolkien wrote: Given the current information set I have (which is limited): Amiko: moderately leaning scum, not entirely convinced but very possible and the most "scummy" looking we have atm OnceKing: Leaning town or leaning Godfather at this point, I'd say the former, but the latter is certainly possible; does depend on how Amiko flips Cavalinho: Also depends on how Amiko flips, either slight scum or moderate town; his current posts have me fairly slanted towards the latter Me: obv town. If I were blue, it would only be Veteran because I can take a hit; otherwise, why would I risk my neck Day 1. You could also read me red I suppose; it's also a possibility. Beneather: slightly scummy just for voting for me. i aint no mafia bish~ Everyone else are lurkers I can't get a read on. Beneather falls in this category too. Either blues or reds most likely. I'm going to go to class and reread the thread. Beneather, n1k0 and IAmRobik are way too quiet for my liking -- this, at least, we can all agree on. | ||
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