Normal Mini Mafia: Episode I

zarepath wrote:
Note that the entirety of this post is actually justifying why he is no longer voting for Wiley, and not at ALL why he is now voting for bumatlarge.

On January 21 2014 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He is saying bum slipped because he implies he knows VE is town because if VE is scum he would not possibly be wrong about WileE as he would know his alignment.

I don't trust these "scumslips". arguing about semantics is dumb imo.

On January 21 2014 10:08 kushm4sta wrote:
@BARRISTAN WHAT THE F has bum done that's town since then?

On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote:
@Barristan

1) I simply have not had much time so far this game. Sundays are always my busiest days of the week (and this goes back to all of my games) and I barely had a chance to read the thread then, and today I've been doing family stuff b/c holiday and poking back in. My activity level should rise appropriately the rest of the week, but still probably not to The Game levels as I have another kid now and my schedule's tightened.

On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote:
I reject the notion that my "focus" on VE has been a simple parroting of other's comments, as that's not what I did at all. His switch to bum looked very suspicious and I did my own analysis of him, and that case was the result. My case was completely ignored and I HAVE tried to push it back into people's attention, so I think that's a mischaracterization.

On January 21 2014 03:46 zarepath wrote:
2. Immediate attack on Wiley for blue claiming
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On January 21 2014 03:46 zarepath wrote:
3. Defensive tone

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4. Wishy-washy demeanor

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5. Wants others to discuss things, not himself

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On January 21 2014 09:53 zarepath wrote:
2) You talk about me voting and pushing my scum reads as if this is a pattern I've established in this game, when I've had one main read that I've made a case on so far, and my analysis was more in-depth than essentially every argument leading up to a vote in this thread. I don't see how you consider my analysis of VE leading up to my vote on him as being worse than VE voting for bum, his only justification being... that it's okay that he's giving up on his earlier vote.

On January 21 2014 11:07 kushm4sta wrote:


he has been playing on this site for 7 years ve said i think

On January 21 2014 12:53 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah i don't think zarepath is mafia.

I think it would be weird for mafia to say something like that.

On January 22 2014 01:22 zarepath wrote:
The ideal townie would pursue his read no matter what, but a non-ideal townie isn't necessarily scum. What shouts scummy to me is the transparent motivation of focusing on how everyone else perceives his arguments, and not on his arguments themselves.

On January 21 2014 22:20 zarepath wrote:
To me, it all added up to him being mafia. Maybe I overreacted to what I thought was a pattern of focus on how others perceived him, all the tonal things I mentioned. That early in the game it's hard to have real proof, but of everyone who'd participated, VE just seemed scummy. Some parts of my case have continued (switching votes without any real explanation as to why -- such as unvoting bum out of the blue after several pages of trying to get EVERYONE to talk about him) but in retrospect, I may have been tunneling. I will have to step back for a bit.

I still am suspicious of him but maybe that is bias, so I'm going to step back and renew my reads on everyone now.

##Unvote VisceraEyes

On January 22 2014 02:09 kushm4sta wrote:
Zarepath just seems like a an honest semi newbie

On January 22 2014 03:06 JonnyLaw wrote:
Zerepath seems genuine when he went after VE then even angry when people let VE get away with saying I can't help you if even consider me as scum.

On January 22 2014 04:22 zarepath wrote:
I have to stick my head back into work again, Barristan, but off-hand I think Aristotle is inexplicably getting away with a lot, kush seems very confident and townie, and you seem like an opportunist to me but that may just be because your case was on me.

On January 22 2014 05:37 zarepath wrote:
At this point I would be happy for a lynch of Wiley, Crossfire, or bum. I don't know why scum would fake blue-claim like that, except that it apparently gave Wiley a free ride to not do anything else at all day 1. And I don't know why any of those three have failed to do anything at all today leading up to the lynch.

On January 22 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Crossfire99 you're wrong. You never explained how you draw the "mafia already knows information about the setup" conclusion because it's incorrect.

On January 22 2014 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Where did he do that?

On January 21 2014 02:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
It's fairly simple: I get reads through conversation more so than anything else.

On January 22 2014 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BarristanTheBold what did bum try to do at the start of the game in your opinion?

On January 22 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
what were you doing barriston

On January 22 2014 04:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##Unvote
Time to 180 on my read on Rayn.

When I first pointed out the reason for my suspicion he considered it completely idiotic. The way I've posted about him, no one would blame him for being suspicious of me or even calling for my head. Town sentiment has been against me as well, yet he gets where I'm coming from.

On January 22 2014 04:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Zare looks scummy as shit. Rayn's already said it all but calling VE town then calling him scum for it later is an obvious tell.
##vote Zarepath
I'm also still interested in Kush. VE's looking better. The way he articulates his thoughts on Bum makes me feel better on him. Rather than mercilessly ragging on him it feels like he's trying to convey his thought process as clearly as possible.

Kush, especially if Zare flips scum is of interest to me. He's never really given much explanation to his votes. Even though that's not customary of Kush in general, he's shown resistance to explaining even when pressed which I don't feel is his townie persona. His suspicions just follow general thread sentiment other than Zarepath, in which he's contrarian without explaining much about it at all. Could lynch.

On January 22 2014 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I am. I agree that Zare is probably not scum with all what happened. I want to lynch Kush. He's saying a lot of things without explaining anything. Follows thread sentiment except oddly on Zarepath, as if he knew he was town.
##unvote
##vote Kushm4sta

On January 22 2014 02:29 BarristanTheBold wrote:
My *ONLY* small concern about Artanis is that as scum he always just picks on weak targets. He never picks a fight with active, good players (ala rayn). But on the flipside, he also tends to lurk and not do much as scum.

I think I would be okay with Artanis lynch.

On January 23 2014 06:06 BarristanTheBold wrote:
rayn: you seem to know Artanis pretty well. Talk about him with me for a minute?

A couple of things:

1) His attack on you. He was kind of going balls to the wall there for a bit, then all of a sudden:



Sure, townies change their minds. But don't you find it a bit odd that he changed his mind as soon as you said you thought he was town?

Also, from the same quote:



Now compare that with:



Those two viewpoints are kinda contradictory, no?

On January 22 2014 07:09 BarristanTheBold wrote:

So why haven't you been here making conversation to build your reads from?

On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If Zarepath didn't have his Named VT claim, would you consider him the best lynch for today?

On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
What do you think of Suki? You questioned her about yourself but you didn't reply to her explanation. Did you find her explanation acceptable? What's your read on her?

On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Why do you think a scumteam with me and him is likely? Do you think it's likely scum would buddy this hard?

On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Why did you change your mind on Bum?

On January 23 2014 10:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

But why did he ask the question if he doesn't find you suspicious? If he does, then a suspicious answer should result in him pressuring you further. If he doesn't, then even bringing up the question doesn't make sense.

On January 22 2014 04:22 BarristanTheBold wrote:
Hey Jonny. What changed between:



and your vote for him? All that stuff you are voting him for was already in his filter whenever you made this post. Why the very sudden change of heart?

On January 22 2014 04:39 JonnyLaw wrote:
@barristan because I went back and reread his filter again, and again, and again. Then I went back to where the they fit into the thread and looked at context.

On January 23 2014 15:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah I'm just kinda watching things atm

On January 24 2014 15:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
With two named VTs, then there's either ONE of Doc/Cop and no GF or ZERO of Doc/Cop and a GF.

On January 25 2014 03:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
is anyone townreading VE? for a good reason?

if nobody can answer i think that's a good reason to vote him

On January 25 2014 04:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait he's not a named VT claim is he? Where does he do this? I'm so behind