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On January 15 2014 00:10 gumshoe wrote: will there be masons? more important question: Will there be town aligned Godfathers? Cephiro tends to lose his shit and goes nuts whenever that happens. | ||
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As everyone knows, roll a 6 on a dice and the chances to roll another one are lower! Can't possibly roll mafia again | ||
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On January 15 2014 00:39 marvellosity wrote: That's definitely how it works Toad. or I'll roll 3rd party. Assassin's are cool I heard. Oh it's just one and it's a SK, lame. Town for me | ||
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On January 15 2014 00:42 Dandel Ion wrote: Pretty sure it doesn't count as "rolling town" when literally the whole game is townies. But you're welcome, would shoot again any time. see, that's even worse. Requesting town or reroll right now | ||
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OATS; SWITCH SPOTS WITH ME PLEASE | ||
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On January 15 2014 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's determine the power roles and mafia from spot numbers, use Dandel's host meta from Ego. Easy game! ^^ Fuck i am mafia, so is thrawn and toad.  I knew it, unlucky #10 spot. OATS SWITCH NAO | ||
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[17:03:24] Erik: I need your spot in [M][N] "SMB" Mini Mafia, you can have my spot in [M][N] "SMB" Mini Mafia. We just swap places on the list. Pretty please? [17:04:46] Oastmaster: uh [17:04:49] Oastmaster: why [17:04:50] Oastmaster: no [17:04:52] Oastmaster: tell me why [17:05:00] Erik: because I want the #1 spot [17:05:03] Erik: that's never mafia! [17:05:18] Oastmaster: its random [17:05:31] Erik: probably [17:05:35] Erik: but #1 is never mafia! [17:05:41] Oastmaster: no [17:05:47] Erik: [17:06:12] Oastmaster: i like #1 what a dick | ||
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so say 00:00 GMT (+00:00) in 2 days instead. Just confusing any other way :3 | ||
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But I'll roll mafia anyways so not like I need to read the thread or anything. | ||
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I guess I should keep the drama queen down until the game starts :D | ||
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Fear not for I have not rolled mafia, so just do as I say and we'll murder all of mafia together. Would be awesome if people could refrain from posting stupid reactionary pictures or videos. Got my weekly dose of retard from BH and the last game already. | ||
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The half mafia-point because it's the usual "i want to help out but I'm actually just posting whatever" attitute he has | ||
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On January 16 2014 09:51 VayneAuthority wrote: No, I don't think mafia has any reason to claim that there. But I definitely had a reason for asking. you literally made the best post I've ever seen someone make on p1 of a game and end up making it by accident and it wasn't even intentionally, so sad. | ||
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On January 16 2014 09:54 thrawn2112 wrote: hey toad. when you were posting as LSB Banking in that fail game were you trying to hide your identity? Even for a little while? no | ||
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There's no BH in this game so it's quiiiiiiiite unlikely that a townie would ever fakeclaim self-aware miller. | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:03 VayneAuthority wrote: If I recall cephiro doesn't like me so he probably just swooped in to take an easy jab at me, idk if i would read into it besides that I don't read a lot into it either but it would be nice if you'd let him explain those things in future. I usually like starting the day with exaggerated reads. Starts the day better than talking about random bullshit because despite things being exaggerated you still see thought process of people and you have an easier time getting somewhere from reads, even if exaggerated, than talking about the nice cloud formation we had today. | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:08 Cephiro wrote: My thought process was this long: 1. See false information in thread 2. Post right information in thread 3. ??? 4. Answer your question about my thought process. There pretty much wasn't one. I also fail to see how it's relevant whether I said that or not. I can't see someone being stupid enough to claim miller at this point in the game. well yeah, with you telling everyone about it I don't see anyone being stupid enough either. Just for reference, Matt claimed self-aware miller in a game that had no self-aware millers in one of my games and it got him lynched d1, ended up flipping mafia obviously. Anyways beans are spilled and like I said I don't read to much into it either. | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:10 Hopeless1der wrote: considering he had the option to leave it alone and tell his scumbuddies they can't fakeclaim this explanation makes the most sense. idk, some people consider those "questions", stuff where you can just copy&paste the OP and be "helpful" contribution and that's stuff that mafia likes to do because they can do it no problem. | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:28 thrawn2112 wrote: I want to know if I can safely contrast his play in this game to his play in the last. If he was trying to hide his identity thereby going against his meta, I can't. I'm kind of known to be unreadable on TL. The only people who are claiming otherwise are Syllo and Marv, and Marv correctly picked the exact opposite of what I ended up rolling 3 times in a row now  + Show Spoiler +Yes I consider the fail game being wrong about me because his reasoning was that my first post was obviously scummy when I had that pre-prepaired under the assumption that I'd be replacing for a townie / mig, so strictly speaking I was a townie while posting that. But like I said, fear not for I will murder all of mafia. That'll speak for itself. Anyways going to bed now, almost 3am over here; see you tomorrow. | ||
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why'd you feel the need to tell me the latter? | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why not? had nothing to do with my question, seems stupid on it's own. I can figure that kind of stuff out myself, so why feel the need to "show-off" and toss around town-reads. By the way I hate people going around with town-reads, not just limited to you. They're easy to do, for both mafia and town, mostly because you don't have to lie as mafia and if you go around talking about them you take away the "easy" work other townies can do for themselves if they're not capable to scumhunt themselves (assuming they're believing you). So yeah I really don't see a reason why you'd feel the need to tell me thrawn and Vayne are town except for show off or maaaaaybe annoyed but I don't think so. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:24 Skanjab1s wrote: You're stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to. Literally every one that I quoted was tentative and careful, I wasn't calling that tentative and careful, hence why it wasn't included in the case, dear. What do you think of Hopeless, rayn? I completly agree with that one statement from your "case" - His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone. He doesn't push/question people, nor does he come to any conclusions in these posts: His way of posting does feel that way, The way he adds "I dunno" to the last post you quoted, continuing with a "backpaddle-move" à la Admittedly, still stupid to do as town, but less so. which basicly reads I might have said something but I'm super not sure about it so please ignore it" which is just blatant mafia tell if it keeps on happening.So yeah I agree with the case, not everything in it but I really like this part. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay what the fuck are you doing this game Toad? None of your posts say anything at all and are really ccrappy. I just accused you of doing stupid stuff while being in the game, that's hardly nothing. My posts were done 2 hours into the game, I went to sleep and that's the first post I just did afterwards. Of course there's not going to be any diamonds in the former. You however posted later on and it was still nothing. Also instead of saying anything you just omgus without giving any concrete example because you know you can't just post a 1 hour into the game comment and call it stupid because that's nothing out of the ordinary. Don't try to paint things differently than they are by leaving out quotes. | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:35 Hopeless1der wrote: Toad, comment on why skanjab's case is bullshit as per rayn's discussion. One of you is wrong. Explain why. he basicly said this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440800¤tpage=18#344 I don't think the bolded part counters anything about the careful posts that were mentioned at all. That post is something anyone could do. Besides you look for uncertainties, they're not going to show up in every post just like a mafia who slips won't slip in every post bust just one. I still like that part of the case and think rayn is talking bullshit. Furthermore we got rayn talking about how the list post was supposed to be stupid (it was) and noone seems to have a problem with the fact that rayn's the only one who felt the need to answer it: On January 16 2014 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1) town (2) stupid question (3) depends on the pressure and my alignment (4) emo Why does he answer that shit if he thinks it's shit, knowing that his answer is going to be shit as well? Just ignore it | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yet you agree with Skanjab's case. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Toadsstern Difference being: I am talking about his phrasing and how it's showing weakness. You basicly accused me of not having put up a case 1 hour into the game. The former can happen no matter if there is something in a post or not, your phrasing can always show your alignment. The conent 1 hour of the game can not and you should be smarter than this... | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:46 Hopeless1der wrote: Listen, Toad is avoiding rayn's discussion and is promoting something that I find scummy. I don't know if Toad is scum or town. Asking him to do stuff is a way to discern his alignment. Finding an image macro is a more suitable representation of my attitude towards skanjabs questionnaire and rayn telling me I should answer it. I have taken stances. See my vote. See how Grack hasnt done a thing this game and no one gives a rats ass yet because "oh its soo super early its meaningless" bullshit. I'll just quote this but it's about this and the next one. I wasn't ignoring anything... it takes time to look up the quotes. Oh yeah and messed up about the quotes. Just got home, saw it, looked who answered it and only found rayn because I was looking for that pattern. My bad. Anyways will be gone now until later the evening. On January 17 2014 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you even reading the thread? I am answering it because Skanjabs promised results when everyone has answered it. If everyone answers it he must keep his promise and tell those results. I wanna see what he actually does with the answers and how he considers them to be useful. Because i can't see it, and i won't know it if people do not answer because of his bullshit "i won't tell you bitch". I skimmed it real quick because in a hurry. apparently too quick, my bad. | ||
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Yes I agree with rayn that the majority of the skanjab "case" wasn't anything and I wouldn't even call anything like that a case but I picked out the very last point because I thought and still think it's legit. The one thing that comes out of my towngames is that I've got a bunch of reads, the townreads are usually always right, the mafia reads are all over the place except for the ones that are based on phrasing, wording and attitude. Last game I played as town: I told people to lynch Xatalos 3 hours into the game and that I'd shoot him if I was a dayvig so certain was I about him being mafia because he wrote in that special fashion. Obviously flipped mafia and I got modkilled. The game before that: Marv got mayor, I got 2nd in place, we had 3 people whe thought were scummy and were in conversation with bugs in mason chat. Basicly marv said guy A is the best lynch, bugs and me said guy B is the best lynch, another guy said Guy C is the best lynch and my reasoning, again was on the guy talking/writing the way he did. End of story, all 3 flipped mafia and we fought about nothing. Last game, the one I was mafia but had reads before knowing my alignment: The only teammade I gave mafiapoints to was Xatalos, again for his phrasing and wording early on. The rest of my teammades hadn't posted up to that point btw. So as you can see, the vast majority of the my right reads are "weak" reads that are based on phrasing/attitude, I'm only really wrong on that when talking about VE because that dude is all over the place. I still think that one point of Skanjab1s "case" is legit and I do think the phrasing is way off and it makes him a good target right now. I've got someone who probably outright claimed mafia in one of his earlier posts of the game, but rayn will hate me for that because he missunderstood the situation and therefore has a townread on said guy, so I'll wait a little to be more certain about it | ||
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when I lynch someone I lynch them for phrasing/wording and I'm good at picking that up -> I still think that last point of the skanjab case is a good pick up there's more to it but that's a buildup for later stuff you don't need to concern yourself with | ||
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On January 17 2014 03:56 Sn0_Man wrote: Soooooo I'm scum because of Diction and because my reaction to scummy posts from skan is a "gross face". Sigh, I was hoping for a productive day 1. At least Mig is here and playing finally. I believe that means everybody has posted at least once. What kind of townie posts like that after this conversation. I'd be furious if I had people tell me I'm mafia for something I know not to be true, which obviously should be the case if you're town. Instead we get that post? | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mig you are really disappointing me atm.. Why's that? why do you keep on trying to fasttalk people like that? When I got in the thread again, instead of adressing anything I did you said something like that as well if I recal correctly. You're doing this shit again, now with Mig because there's a difference of opinion here? | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:11 Toadesstern wrote: why do you keep on trying to fasttalk people like that? When I got in the thread again, instead of adressing anything I did you said something like that as well if I recal correctly. You're doing this shit again, now with Mig because there's a difference of opinion here? In case it wasn't obvious, this is the post I was referring to: On January 17 2014 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay what the fuck are you doing this game Toad? None of your posts say anything at all and are really ccrappy. | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, because Mig usually comments on actually important stuff in thread, not on bullshit like the case on Sn0, which is terrible. 1) again, the case might be terrible but that's to be expected early on. Doesn't change the fact that something in it still had something to it and therefore is worth talking about. 2) if you think so, say so instead of throwing mud without anything that even resembles an explanation. People might believe there's something to what you say when someone like you writes stuff like that... There might be something to it but it'd be a lot cooler if you could at least give an abridged version of an explanation when calling someone bad so people can make up their own minds. Otherwise people might show up and blame you for abusing your vet status for getting people to sheep you. | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Toad, rayn has already explained at great length why skanjabs case is bad and how it could indicate a mafia mindset. He then went and read Hogwarts and concluded that skanjab is bad. The reasons are there if you choose to read them. Are you still in catch up mode or something? You're constantly not reading the thread properly. I've caught up, and no I've read that. I know that he called most of the case bad and I agreed with him at least 3 times yet and every time I said that however bad it might be there is this one point at the end of it that is a great pick up, even rayn agreed on that but ended up concluding that it might be something but it's too risky according to him. Also wether ska is bad or not has nothing to do with wether someone in his case might be correct or not. It explains why the majority of it isn't alignmnent indicative at all but it has nothing to do with the actual topic: those small parts that people like Mig and me seem to agree with. So please do me a favor and actually read what I posted, and Mig as well I might add because you're talking about the stuff noone is talking about. | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) What is that something? I still don't see it. I don't see anyone reasonably explaining why Sn0 is mafia. 2) I am saying so.. rofl. 1) the way he's posting. The very last part of his "case" 2) yes, after I told you to... | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:41 Toadesstern wrote: I've caught up, and no I've read that. I know that he called most of the case bad and I agreed with him at least 3 times yet and every time I said that however bad it might be there is this one point at the end of it that is a great pick up, even rayn agreed on that but ended up concluding that it might be something but it's too risky according to him. Also wether ska is bad or not has nothing to do with wether someone in his case might be correct or not. It explains why the majority of it isn't alignmnent indicative at all but it has nothing to do with the actual topic: those small parts that people like Mig and me seem to agree with. So please do me a favor and actually read what I posted, and Mig as well I might add because you're talking about the stuff noone is talking about. rephrasing the last part because I just reread it and it sounded ambiguous and people might misunderstand: So please do me a favor and actually read what I posted, and Mig as well I might add because you're talking about the stuff noone is talking about was supposed to be something along the lines ofplease read what mig and I are actually commenting on and not "mig please read what I am posting" | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Toad: 1) "The way he is posting" is a bullshit argument. It's an argument people use when they can't make real arguments. It's just like saying "his tone is scummy". Look at his past games, come back and tell me how does it differ. All the games, not just one. 2) No, i have been saying it all the time. Explain, with quotes. All the time, after Mig posted, i have said his posts are suspicious. If you are talking about something else here explain what and elaborate properly. About 2) I didn't see any quotes or explanations in the post I quoted. Just a one- or twoliner that looked like throwing mud. About 1) it's exactly what got Xatalos got lynched in the failgame. It's essentially the same thing because it's not a thing that is limited to Xatalos but a LOT of mafias. | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:58 Hopeless1der wrote: Toad that catalogs point is very different. Marv and rayn were very specific in saying that Xata does something as scum that he DOESN'T do as town. There is no basis to make that comparison on sn0's behalf unless he has literally never made a wishywashy statement ever before (since he's never rolled scum before) All I'm saying is that the VAST majority of mafia's I caught all got caught for that same reason. It's not something that is Xata-specific at all but happens with pretty much every mafia on TL. Even I still have those moments when I post as mafia, press preview and have to rephrase it before clicking "post". It's just something that seems natural for mafias to do. So yes it is comparable. We should probably also be talking about this: On January 16 2014 09:51 VayneAuthority wrote: No, I don't think mafia has any reason to claim that there. But I definitely had a reason for asking. He said himself that when you see him doing something smart it's probably just a misunderstanding and it's something else. If this isn't smart it's plain mafia. | ||
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On January 17 2014 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: He is better than this, that's my case. [...] which is soley based on your sn0 read that apparently clashes with mine? | ||
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On January 17 2014 06:36 thrawn2112 wrote: lol yeah that is why i'm reading rayn as town atm. one of his favorite scumtells is when people disagree with him could be, I only remember playing with him one game and he was town that game and I always confused him with vayne (who was in that game as well) because their names, shortned, are just so damn alike so I'm not really having a good memory of his playstyle (no I don't consider the failgame a game). I'm not really going to reread older games for that though. If this is true it's odd though. Yeah "random" my ass, there's no way Mig, rayn and I are all town. That means I'm either pulling a GM here or rayn's mafia. He did say he likes establishing reads on big players first. That contraticts with his reasoning above... he's basing a read on me on a read on someone else, who I might add, hasn't flipped yet... | ||
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On January 17 2014 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it's based on you agreeing with Skanjabs' case which i can't see a townie your caliber doing. we've been over this 5 times already. I said the case is bad but there was one phrase I liked. Please stop calling that agreeing with the case when I agreed that it's mostly bad at least 5 times up to this point. | ||
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On January 17 2014 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: And this is crap. Dandel is one of the hosts that actually randoms scum for reals. you're someone who reads older games right? How come you haven't read a single game of mine? Because that and "I'd shoot that if I was a dayvig" are probably the most common phrases I ever say. Supersoft and I are both really known for going about games like that. So if we assume the above is correct and feel free to check older games of me, Aren't you supposed to be someone you can distinguish between "we lynch people for being scummy, not for being bad (your interpretation that I'm bad, I don't actually agree on that part)" | ||
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On January 17 2014 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote: then why did you say this? "If this is true it's odd though. Yeah "random" my ass, there's no way Mig, rayn and I are all town. That means I'm either pulling a GM here or rayn's mafia." the implication in that quote is that you are saying mig is town "pulling a GM" = I'm agreeing with mafias while defending mafias. It therefore reads as "that means I'm either going fullretard right now, agreeing with Mig (mafia) while attacking a townie (sn0), or rayne is the one being mafia" | ||
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On January 17 2014 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: So why are you voting for a townie then? because I don't think that scenario is the case while still technically possible? It's clearly a "Either X or Y" phrase. X being the thing you're having troubles with and I don't believe it either. | ||
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On January 17 2014 07:01 thrawn2112 wrote: no that statement about balance implies that you think (or know  ) that mig is townNo, it literally says "it's either mig being mafia, sn0 town, rayn town ; OR mig town, sn0 mafia, rayn whatever". It's a big "EITHER OR" phrase... | ||
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On January 17 2014 07:03 thrawn2112 wrote: Also I dont understane how you can agree with Mig about Sn0 and then say you are null reading Mig because he hasn't posted yet. you said prior to this... I took "this" for the whole sn0 discussion. He hasn't posted anything before the sn0 discussion started. If you were referring to something else with "this" you need to specify the point in time | ||
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it's not his thought, it might be but that's not the intention of his post. He's explaining my poor wording due to lack of hitting pre-view button and re-reading to you guys. And he understood it. | ||
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On January 17 2014 07:46 kushm4sta wrote: grack why not join the sno wagon? ... now I'm scared... is it usual for townies to call lynches wagons these days? I usually only hear mafias use that word along the lines of something à la "duh, totally stupid wagon that formed without a reason, stop voting that".... I'd certainly say it has a negative connotation. | ||
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On January 17 2014 07:51 kushm4sta wrote: so as scum why would i be more likely to use a word with a negative connotation? the assumption was that it wasn't on purpose and was a slip of tongue, if you can use that phrase for http-based conversations. | ||
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On January 17 2014 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: kushm4sta: kushm4sta: Those are from last 2 games: Which one do you think the post i quoted from kush seems like? basicly saying you sheep him when town while having beef with him when mafia? | ||
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I don't know about yours, but my wincon kind of implies that getting myself lynched isn't a dandy thing. So can I assume you're trolling? | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would i be getting myself lynched? can you really claim you're 100% certain about that?... | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote: no one will follow through and will probably try to lynch me, but here's my thought process option a) kush flips scum option b) rayn takes a hit to his ego option b2) rayn dies for being wrong (haha smd) thats a win-win(-) to me. yeah that's my thought process as well... I'm actually considering to change it up, make a deal with him and just yolo as well to clear this like men. Something like "if kush flips red I'll do anything (in this game) you want me to do, like voting and so on, if he doesn't you do anything I tell you to do (in this game", like lynching sn0. | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn I think toad is scum if he is actually serious about this it would be sooooo funny though and I'm all for hilarious stuff. That's my weakpoint. The legendary annul game anyone? The hitler video? Just imagine it... but you're right I need to stay strong. | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:31 Sn0_Man wrote: PS theres no way I'm agreeing to restrict the lynch candidates to me and you. If you actually manage to convince me you are town then thats literally agreeing to lynch a townie. That can't possibly be a good deal regardless of my alignment. funny that this guy understands this and rayn doesn't | ||
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On January 17 2014 10:45 thrawn2112 wrote: Witchcraft 2. Sn0man was under suspicion the entire game. I skimmed his filter. I didn't see stuff that resembled posts like these: On January 16 2014 09:39 Sn0_Man wrote: You know kush I'd accuse you of needing an easy target but thats really not how you play...  On January 17 2014 01:10 Sn0_Man wrote: This sounds a lot like "I intentionally made a worthless case cuz its my town meta and I gotta match that". Which sounds a lot like scum :/ On January 17 2014 01:21 Sn0_Man wrote: Well I was starting to think that you might have just been trying to get the thread moving and fishing for responses, which would be quite understandable, but instead it seems that you actually think I'm scum or something. Jeeeeez. On January 17 2014 03:56 Sn0_Man wrote: Soooooo I'm scum because of Diction and because my reaction to scummy posts from skan is a "gross face". Sigh, I was hoping for a productive day 1. At least Mig is here and playing finally. I believe that means everybody has posted at least once. I really have a hard time picturing a townie post like the above. I see posts like this (picked because of red letters and they stand out): On November 14 2013 01:23 Sn0_Man wrote: His case amounts to "I can write Sn0's name in big red letters that guy must be scum. Everything else is drivel. "Oh Sn0 wanted to lynch Syl over vanesco" guess what syl is scum "Oh Sn0 got Onegu lynched" yeah sure whatever floats your boat. I offered meta reference. Onegu played scummy. Hopeless deliberately misconstrues me and uses emotionally charged language in an attempt to squelch logic regarding why Onegu actually died. "Sn0 figures the D1 NK may have been a silver bullet" obviously this is a clear scumtell thank you for pointing this out Hopeless no town would ever consider such a thing. Trying to figure out the game is how i play tyvm. "Sn0 gave me shit when I replaced in" please excuse me for poking people in a mafia game to see how they react. "Sn0 dropped his scumread on Syl day 4" well somebody didn't read day 4 at all Hopeless also attempts to garner towncred in the middle of this for last-voting onto vanesco after he's already been hammered for a while without any chance of any other lynch. And feels the need to jump on me messing up names (onegu instead of vanesco watever). Ok thats his whole case boiled down and somewhat in order (excepting the first point). in WC2 instead. That's completly different. It's way later in the game, I'll give you that but it's nowhere close to being as apologetically as in his responses to Mig/Me/Kush. Can you give me a name of a game where we was mafia? I know I should be searching that stuff myself and there's a handy trick about it with clicking someone's profile but I never read old games and always forget how to search for that stuff... | ||
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On January 12 2014 00:44 kushm4sta wrote: jat, wos, maybe bh. So many people haven't said anything yet though. No idea if you are scummy marv, because you've done shit all in the thread. If you want a lazy policy lynch like captobv, there many posters with similarly little content. capt obv-tstbs I can't imagine a scum actually opening like capt obv, unless they were TRYING to look tooscummytobescum. And I don't think most people do that. oh wait i can see the future and i just know you are going to ask why for my scumreads... jat- the new site-wide scum meta is to defend kush, which he did immediately. he doesnt look super townie which he normally does cool story Whenever you find a quote you can say "cool story" to, the poster is probably scum. ~~~~~~~~ WoS keeps asking about things that townies don't even care about. He engages in endless policy discussion, never giving his opinion on anything other than he doens't know if BH is town. ~~~~~~~ BH - anti connection with my other scumreads but his early push on me makes no sense, considering my uncanny scumminess in extractor. And I know scum BH likes to appear super active. which disagrees with the assumption that mafia Kush does not read filters. On the other hand we have posts like + Show Spoiler [this, also from failgame] + On January 11 2014 22:24 kushm4sta wrote: gdamn aquanim where have you been all my mafia life? that underline,bolded, and italicized line is pretty brilliant and true. Also @rayn how bad does scum have to be to make that post? pretty fucking bad. first scumgame bad. which kind of disagrees with rayn's assertion on kush. Doesn't really read like kush this game either. So I don't think you guys can read kush as good as you guys claim you're able to. | ||
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I couldn't possibly hold it against someone if we lynch Grack and he flips town. At the same time I don't think there's a person on earth who's stupid enough to only do what he does as mafia so, despite really having the urge to "deal" with him I don't think it's that alignment indicative so he's still in the null/retard faction. People like Grack make for much better vig targets than for lynch targets. We obviously don't know if we have a vig but no need to lynch that d1. | ||
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On January 18 2014 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote: okay, so why am I your lynch choice then? because like I said, you and snowman are the only yellow ones in my sheet. Snow for the reasons I already mentioned. You because you kept on having that bystander attitude for the whole game. Rayn and I clashed early on, you mentioned you don't like me at some point I think but you never really picked a side. You kept on explaining from the outside, like when I had that derp-moment with that phrase that everyone but you and Grack (I think it was grack?) misunderstood due to my piss poor wording. | ||
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On January 18 2014 01:28 Hopeless1der wrote: also your reasons for sn0 DO NOT WORK. At least, not on sn0, there is no scumgames to compare against and he has shown time and again that he has no confidence in his Day1 play and he is often wishywashy. You cant reasonably have him as anything in your spreadsheet if you were actually reading the game or reviewing his meta. That's kind of what I mean with "bystander". Instead of doing something yourself you defend other people. Especially at this point, he has 0 votes on him. Why? If this is supposed to be an attack on me you don't have to wait for me to bring it up which makes me believe the purpose of this post was to defend sn0 and quite frankly, the timing speaks for itself. | ||
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On January 18 2014 01:34 Sn0_Man wrote: Toad you cannot seriously be trying to make association cases like this... Were you "I-Be-Pro" in hogwarts? Yes I was and I'm not making any kind of association cases. I just pointed out that he keeps on defending people, which is something mafias tend to do because it's a lot easier to do than to make up a case on someone you already know to be town (because you're mafia), thus forcing you to lie and come up with bullshit instead of just stating what you actually believe to be true. Also a reason I really dislike people talking about townreads, because it makes the game so much easier for mafias. | ||
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On January 18 2014 01:34 Hopeless1der wrote: i'm saying your sheet is bullshit and you're scum toad. Is that clear enough? is that direct? have I taken a fucking stance now? if that's really what you thought all the time, why didn't you say so? why didn't you ever push me the last 36-or-so hours? | ||
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On January 18 2014 01:45 Sn0_Man wrote: I really don't "get" toad this game. Not sure if its because he is *that* much better than me or just scum. Not gonna try to lynch on a gut read day 1 though. I still maintain that the useless players here are grack/ceph and if we aren't lynching them we need some pretty solid evidence of scum... Although hopeless is getting close to qualifying. Day 1 is so awful. noone does, rest assured. Super secret trick about reading me that noone has figured out as of yet: I don't press preview before posting when I'm town because I don't care enough to undo typo's and the sort. I end up with a crapton of typos and misunderstandings whenever I'm town. I do press preview before posting as mafia and get rid of stuff that annoys me to make sure I don't slip. Obviously, n0W tat i tld yu I m1gth be dong thiz on purpose. You can probably use it next game because I'll forget about it. | ||
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This is right after the I want millers to claim post you did. On January 16 2014 09:51 VayneAuthority wrote: No, I don't think mafia has any reason to claim that there. But I definitely had a reason for asking. So here's the thing. I thought about this for the past 24 hours and tried to come up with scenarios in which you could say that. And here's what I got: 1) You're a DT 2) You're a VT/VET trying to absorb hits at night 3) You're some kind of weird guy who has some kind of weird, convoluted plan, probably including some kind of mass claim that could totally, according to you, screw mafia 4) You're mafia that tries to look like any of the above We can already say that 1 isn't true because no DT would be stupid enough to say that. We can also conclude that 2 isn't the case because: On January 16 2014 09:56 VayneAuthority wrote: yea I understand we haven't played much together. If you think im doing something good, you are most likely wrong. My town game is terribad. Now you just said 3) isn't the case either. So wtf? | ||
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On January 18 2014 02:19 Koshi wrote: You should change that red text into green and then you cracked VA town meta. well yeah, that's what I had so far and I assumed it's the #3 option I listed above because all other 3 just seem even more stupid. So I had him down as "probably some stupid VT" for that post but figured I might just ask. And he just said he doesn't like weird plans like that so I don't know what else it could be. | ||
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On January 18 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote: Your own post is a contradiction, but yes you are somewhere on the right track. look for your own contradiction actually there's 2 things in there that could be labeled as contradictions but I don't want to believe that they are because they're just too damn retarded. | ||
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On January 18 2014 02:19 Koshi wrote: You should change that red text into green and then you cracked VA town meta. Also I'd like some explaining on this one. I do realize that my 1) states "he's not stupid enough to do this", while my 2) states "he's too stupid to do that" but the level of wtf is just way off there, so I woudln't call that a contradiction and place him firmly somewhere inbetween, unable to do either of the two. And he just said 3 isn't the case either. So the only thing left is 4. Is there anything you guys know about him that I don't? Would be helping. What's the reason for "make it green and it's his town meta". Is saying something that concludes that he has to be mafia his town meta because that shit doesn't make sense. | ||
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On January 18 2014 02:46 Koshi wrote: It's something meta, hard to explain. He always says something cryptic that let shine he is on a higher level of understanding about stuff. But he isn't. Like when VA is town you always got this feeling he is going to find all the scums with the next post he makes, but he never does. -_- but if that's the case this: On January 18 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote: Your own post is a contradiction, but yes you are somewhere on the right track. look for your own contradiction is total bullshit | ||
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On January 18 2014 02:50 Koshi wrote: I don't even know what he is saying. I read over that. I understand it as I'm right with my idea but my conclusion is wrong because of some logic flaw and basicly says that it's one of either 1, 2 or 3 in my list which is correct and just deleted out as options by mistake. Actually he could also be saying that about the 4th one but I don't think he's calling himself mafia. And when I read your answer it sounds like some guy who has some complex and makes it look like he's awesome and has an urge to post like he's awesome but just isn't. None of the above 4 options is awesome. | ||
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On January 18 2014 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: And then there is Toad who only does selective meta-analysis and even then he does it wrong. Toad go look at Vayne's past games. Then come back and tell what you think. You were so eager to do so with Sn0 and kush and both were horrible, you can probably do horrible one on Vayne too. I don't do meta analysis at all. That's the point, silly. | ||
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At least that's what I got from thrawn's assertion earlier on. No idea if it's true. Why do you all go for meta stuff instead of just scummy stuff that doesn't require meta... | ||
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On January 18 2014 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: And that's why i said half-arsed meta analysis. Because you give opinions based on people's past games and you do it terribly, like here: + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2014 11:02 Toadesstern wrote: I skimmed his filter. I didn't see stuff that resembled posts like these: I really have a hard time picturing a townie post like the above. I see posts like this (picked because of red letters and they stand out): in WC2 instead. That's completly different. It's way later in the game, I'll give you that but it's nowhere close to being as apologetically as in his responses to Mig/Me/Kush. Can you give me a name of a game where we was mafia? I know I should be searching that stuff myself and there's a handy trick about it with clicking someone's profile but I never read old games and always forget how to search for that stuff... Explain to me what is the point of those 2 posts when they are clearly no value as you just said? explaining that I still see the differences that some people claimed not to be there. I still haven't seen anyone link anything like the 4 posts I quoted in that post btw. | ||
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On January 18 2014 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what's different in terms of the following statement: "Sn0 thinks D1 is quite useless and his primary goal is to not go all-in for scumhunting but instead to get rid of trash". How does his posting in this game not work towards that goal when you compare it to WC II? You can't just take a fucking post where he calls/doesn't call someone mafia nad say "look this is totally different than what he is doing in this game". That's not meta and you should know it. whatever, I think we're better off ignoring that for now with about 5 hours left to decide who to lynch and sn0 not bein a target, agree? Feel free to remind me of it later on and I'll explain it again. | ||
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On January 18 2014 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: So people just let go of Sn0 because me and thrawn disagreed with your meta-analysis? Fucking terrific. Why are you not pushing Sn0 lynch any more? You had a case that was based on meta and scummy things. Scummy things didn't go away, meta-analysis is what you yourself did, someone disagreeing with it means you are either bullshitting because you just let of it for no reason or for some other reason you have come to a conclusion Sn0 is town. What has Sn0 done now that makes you think he is town? I still think he's mafia and you'd know that if you read my posts. I've been in an argument with hopeless about it. I let it go because I was the only one voting him when some people where on kush, some on hopeless and now everyone's on grack. I'm aiming for best play possible, not best play and I'm not getting sn0 lynched today, simply as that. | ||
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On January 18 2014 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so what do you think of other people who agreed with Sn0 being mafia nad let go of the case as soon as someone disagreed with it? Isn't that scummy to you because you think the dude is scum? Or do you just ignore it, why? the other people were kush/ska/mig or am I missing anyone? But anyways not much as I haven't seen sn0 flip yet. There's a bazillion of different reasons and I don't even recall their reasons, except for kush you just mentioned it a minute ago. On January 18 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Toad do you usually just sheep as town or build cases? Depends. I don't usually do cases, sometimes I try but like I said I'm mostly focusing on peoples writing/attitude and I'm having a really hard time to express that properly in cases. If there's someone who's blatantly town and I agree with and he's known to be good I'll just "sheep" him. It may look like sheeping from the outside but I don't usually, but if I happen to have a read that aligns with someone elses read who's already pushing it I'll "sheep" it, yes. | ||
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On January 18 2014 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so what do you think of other people who agreed with Sn0 being mafia nad let go of the case as soon as someone disagreed with it? Isn't that scummy to you because you think the dude is scum? Or do you just ignore it, why? I mean just to put this into perspective, I think calling it [and] let go of the case as soon as someone disagreed with it? is just a big misrepresentation kush, mig and I all kept disagreeing with you for the most of d1 and sn0 had a decent amount of votes for the longest time. I certainly wouldn't call it "as soon as someone disagreed with it" either way. It could still be anything but it's just a huge clusterfuck right now and anyone claiming he can point out at what's going on is just straight up lying. I still do believe sn0 is mafia but I'm getting cold feet about it. I don't think there's anyone who'd just be 100% certain about anything in mafia. | ||
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On January 18 2014 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Isn't what has happened a definition of what you bolded? You guys are not pushing for Sn0 lynch. You are not talking with him. You are not talking about him. How am i supposed to interpret this if not "letting off the case when someone disagrees with you"? Jesus, you guys think he is mafia but are not pushing his lynch... the whole discussion with you and hopeless, disagreeing with your meta conclusion is certainly pushing him. Just because you disagree with the case doesn't mean it's not pushing it | ||
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On January 18 2014 03:51 Grackaroni wrote: Really the only difference between me and Hopeless this game is that sometimes I play like this as town and Hopeless doesn't play like this as town. so you're saying you're a good lynch? Doesn't make it sound like you think you're town | ||
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On January 18 2014 03:54 thrawn2112 wrote: toad wtf? Why are you settling for " it's a coinflip and a useless guy" instead of hopeless who you have already said looks scummy. i dont like the grack lynch anymore and not likeing toad atm. I have a good amount of people I have a townread on. The guy is disruptive, useless and even if I can't read him still has a decent chance to flip mafia based on numbers and process of elimination. Plus he just slipped. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:12 thrawn2112 wrote: LOOK RAYNE NOT SHEEPING HE WAS SERIOUS that has to be the scummiest vote i've ever seen of course he was serious... noone ever doubted that... same reasoning as I had, would have been hella hilarious either way. | ||
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EITHER: Mig+ Grack + hopeless as mafia OR: Grack + hopeless + sn0 as mafia and rayn as SK. ezpz | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:37 Hopeless1der wrote: I told Toad there was no basis for his (meta?) read on sn0 since sn0 has never rolled scum. Using the reasoning that wishywashy statements come from scum doesn't apply to sn0 since in every town game he's played, he has similar statements. He pulls one post from WC2 when at MYLO (LYLO?) sn0 finally has to play (so did I if you remember correctly, it was my case sn0 was responding to) after days of information. There is again, no reasonable comparison to this game the way Toad has framed his case. He goes on to say how I'm the only other player thats 'yellow/orange' on his sheet when we have Grack doing nothing, cephiro being afk. Toad is opportunistically trying to bandwagon on me and doesnt give a shit about pushing anyone because both me and sn0 are mislynch targets, and I was leading the votes. skanjab is a weaker read but basically his case on sn0 was garbage and his followup explaining the way he makes his cases is using scummy and selective reasoning. and I told you that I disagree, that I randomly picked anything that stood out, I even said it's because it had red letters in it and shouldn't be thought much off and that I still have to see a single post where he posts like that in a game. So far noone has provided any quotes like that. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:39 Sn0_Man wrote: Well, I still have no intention of lynching toad today, but that honestly sounds a lot more like you want in-thread town-cred than post-game brag points. implying I am correct? I don't even mind if you lynch me for being correct and being a dick about it. If I'm not correct there's no in-thread town-cred to be had lol | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote: Have I missed where anyone directly questioned Grack about his doctor claim? His filter tells me nothing in this regard. it was the most obvious lie ever and even if it's not why would you want to ask him about it? "HEY ARE YOU REALLY A DOC? - YES I AM" when mafia probably doesn't give a crap about it either, like noone else? If there's even a 1% chance of that not being a lie you ignore it. If it's a 0% chance you ignore it as well. Seems pretty straight forward to me. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:51 Hopeless1der wrote: we're planning to lynch him, you're surprisingly nonchalant about ignoring a claimed doc's motives for claiming doc. like I said I don't consider it a possibility to be the truth. He'd be in this thread pointing it out himself if it was, kicking and screaming "don't lynch the doc!!" because he knows himself that noone took him serious. | ||
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not bringing it up until he does? sure, what good does it us to talk about it if not even he considers it important? It's only derailing. | ||
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On January 18 2014 05:02 Hopeless1der wrote: i mean you dont think fakeclaiming doc and being utterly useless, dodging discussions and ignoring pointed questions is scummy? the way he claimed it? no I don't. About the rest, idk I don't know him and you guys seem to agree that trolling (in general) isn't alignment indicative for him so I think that's at least an issue I should ignore, if not everyone. It's like trying to talk about Kenpachi, there's no point about it. You most likely have your opinion one way or the other but it's a huge clusterfuck and noone agrees with anyone and all those selfclaimed Kenpachi-specialists really don't have a clue how to read him. Rayn seems to think he's usually useful when being town (later on?) but it's not later on, no I don't see a point in talking about that unless you can point out any differences to what it's usually. If you are going to, make it so that a 10 year old could understand it, I'm doing vocabs right now and watching something, so I'm slightly distracted. | ||
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On January 18 2014 05:12 Hopeless1der wrote: what the fuck Toad....Is his behavior scummy or not? You didnt give a shit what sn0's history was when you said you caught so many scum based on the behavior he was exhibiting, now with Grack that history stuff matters? difference being: I'm accusing sn0 of something you can't controle and do unconsciously whenever you're typing and so far I STILL haven't seen a single quote that looks like that from you guys who think otherwise but I already said that about 5 times and it's not going to happen anyways... You're accusing Grack of something that is incredibly basic and easy to fake, both as mafia and as townie, just look at Kenpachi and BH. It's not something you do unconciously whenever you tend to roll a certain alignment, so you have to check if it's something he does in general. | ||
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On January 18 2014 05:19 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm referring to the rest of the things I listed, like dodging questions and ignoring discussion when prompted to respond. yeah and like I said, that's not something that happens unconsciously so I'd have to read his other games and I can't be bothered to do so in detail. | ||
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On January 18 2014 05:36 kushm4sta wrote: I am more of a troll than all of you and i know the troll mindset. You need to trust me when I say grack is town. the fuck is that On January 18 2014 03:51 Grackaroni wrote: Really the only difference between me and Hopeless this game is that sometimes I play like this as town and Hopeless doesn't play like this as town. according to you. | ||
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Thrawn should be going crazy right now, two of his suspects (hopeless and I) are voting Grack, while one of his suspects (I) suspects another suspect of his (hopeless, the guy he's voting right now). That just doesn't make sense... | ||
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On January 18 2014 05:46 Toadesstern wrote: All I can see is that everyone thinks everyone is mafia. I think thrawn wants to lynch me, votes hopeless, thinks Grack is mafia and I think had a problem with rayn earlier on, which isn't really a problem but if you now include other people like hopeless who thinks kush is mafia, thinks I am mafia, thinks Grack is mafia, thinks ska is mafia, probably doesn't like Mig than none of this makes sense if you want to figure anything out. Thrawn should be going crazy right now, two of his suspects (hopeless and I) are voting Grack, while one of his suspects (I) suspects another suspect of his (hopeless, the guy he's voting right now). That just doesn't make sense... not that I have a problem with that issue at hand. I just like pointing out that there's prooobably some kind of mistake somewhere in there, *hinthint* it's the guy who votes and and wants to lynch 2 of the guys you want to lynch as well that you still think is shady as fuck for some reason. | ||
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On January 18 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote: toad can you talk about non useless shit please? why grack over hopeless? I would have said because Grack has more votes on him and a hopeless lynch isn't going to happen but I just realized that would have been a lie. You have my gratitude kind sir. ##unvote ##vote hopeless | ||
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On January 18 2014 05:51 Hopeless1der wrote: because he doesnt give a shit. and I do. this is fairly elementary kush. Even for you this is sad. it's the only way to not get crazy paranoia. Get yourself a pool of 2 or 3 people you'd be good to lynch and roll with whatever's possible. | ||
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On January 18 2014 06:06 Sn0_Man wrote: Honestly I've tried this before and if I recall, I've never lynched scum day 1. I consider it sufficiently unlikely that its more valuable to set up the next days via clearing out the afk and the useless rather than take a shot at a potential scum candidate who could also be a useful contributor down the road. Or who could be more obviously scum later. but if you do that, than d2 is the new d1 because you didn't achieve anything alignment indicating with your decisions from d1... you're just pushing the issue back, it's still comming back to haunt you so might as well get over it | ||
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On January 18 2014 06:43 kushm4sta wrote: well we shouldn't lynch him now. why | ||
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On January 18 2014 06:58 kushm4sta wrote: yes id kill koshi instead ##unvote ##vote koshi are you going to make him claim and we're back at space 1 again no matter what he claims, just with one more known role, that is assuming hopeless told the truth? I don't see how you got so much blind trust that you just believe any claim that comes of the guy who wanted lynched 5 minutes ago, a claim that can't be backed up or proven. And you just believe it without a second of a thought? What's the point in asking him to claim if that's the case? You would have unvoted on anything? | ||
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On January 18 2014 07:05 kushm4sta wrote: toad you jumped on hopeless for no reason like it was nothing. I said I think he's mafia before that. I specifically called him one of the two guys I'd be willing to lynch alongside sn0 but didn't think a lynch on him would be reasonably achieveable, so I settled for sn0 and later on Grack who was a useless coinflip with decent chances to flip, until you pointed out that hopeless actually had votes on him. | ||
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On January 18 2014 07:12 kushm4sta wrote: so why not sheep to koshi now? because it wasn't a sheep to begin with and I have no idea about koshi. He's not one of the 3 people I'd be willing to lynch today. | ||
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On January 18 2014 07:30 Mig wrote: What are the reasons behind lynching koshi? Even if he was completely wrong, he put a decent effort into building a case against me. Does he put that kind of effort in as scum (looking at and quoting multiple past games?). I am good with lynching 1 of hopeless/grack, really not sure yet which is optimal. Pretty sure I was wrong about sno, a lot of his recent posts look good. same here, what do you make of kush though? I have a really strong incentive to lynch hopeless right now and at the same time I have a really strong incentive not to lynch him simply based on what kush posted the last couple minutes and it has nothing to do with hopeless' claim or his phrasing that kush seems to trust. | ||
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On January 18 2014 07:37 kushm4sta wrote: why does first line imply im town and second line implies im scum? the first line mainly implies that you just went total crazy the last hour or so and people are freaking out about it for a reason. I promised myself to just not give a crap and roll with this but I'm really getting cold feet here because you're acting so weird. | ||
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On January 18 2014 07:42 kushm4sta wrote: what are you suggesting is the meaning behind me acting weird? that i'm scum faking cold feet for towncred? that's exactly what I'm scared of right now yes. I had you down as town just like Mig said but I'm really getting paranoid right now. | ||
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On January 18 2014 07:53 kushm4sta wrote: how he called me a sack of shit.. i cant get over how that is the towniest thing I've ever seen. Why would he actually be mad and cuss at me, especially after he chided tweak for the semen in the eye comment? because you keeping your vote on him was based on your mistake about reading his VT claim, which no matter if he's town or mafia I did not read as a VT claim either so he's mad at you for that either way? | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:03 kushm4sta wrote: OMG safety lynch ceph. He is contributing nothing also avoiding a modkill/replacement. absolutely nothign town about him. and last time I saw that happen I got him lynched and he flipped town. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:12 thrawn2112 wrote: thrawn's incapable of having a filter this big as scum at the end of the game and it's just D1. grack knows this lol he's not having problems with you but with Grack, stop responding to stuff like that. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:40 Toadesstern wrote: you do realize it's 20 minutes prior to deadline? that was @Ceph's wall of text | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:41 thrawn2112 wrote: why di you suddenly go quiet once the thread went into chaos because I'm still doing vocabularies + Show Spoiler [picture] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q95FAX0.png) and already stated I'm only willing to lynch Grack or hopeless today? No need to fuel that stuff. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:49 thrawn2112 wrote: lol the shitty part about this is that i want to lynch hopeless so badly but I only have a couple weak reasons why grack is town. so meh. idc anymore it's fine, chill out. This lynch is great. We lynch hopeless tomorrow. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:56 Grackaroni wrote: Simply not true. everyone moved away from me and Hopeless. I move people to Koshi. Mig tries to deflect. You pop in and say "Grack is bullshitting " Grack gets lynched. noone was willing to lynch Koshi except for a bunch of weird guys... but nothing serious was happening over there | ||
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On January 18 2014 11:35 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah toad is pretty scummy for not posting once the thread decided to play musical chairs with the lynch. then when i questioned him about it he had time to screencap shit and post it? how is that scummy? I said I'm reading, I said I'm not partacing in hysterical vote switches 15 minutes prior to deadline for not reason and that I'd be fine with my vote on either Grack or hopeless. Btw rayn voted Mig exactly taht reason when he thought Mig was doing that, so apparently even rayn seems to agree with me on that. The "musical chairs" were people trying to get koshi and someone else lynched I didn't want to lynch. Why would I post when I already clearly stated my intentions and made it very obvious tha everyone switching votes for no reason like that was being dumb. Frankly speaking I almost considered lynching Kush for that, probably not the only one who thought that way, even sn0 said so... but decided against it and tried to keep calm and stick to my vote. Sadly switched when both rayn and Mig thought Grack's the better option. | ||
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On January 18 2014 22:56 kushm4sta wrote: I'm not judging how pro town the plan toad suggests is, but the conception of that plan I think is much more likely to come from scum. On January 18 2014 11:35 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah toad is pretty scummy for not posting once the thread decided to play musical chairs with the lynch. then when i questioned him about it he had time to screencap shit and post it? I just feel like quoting these two. For no apparent reason. | ||
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Rayn: mentioned me about 10 times, but never really gave any explanation other than me disagreeing with him? He called me and hopeless useless but probably town, which was the most indetail explanation from him about me and after that just oh yeah, he mafia thrawn: says I'm mafia for something that's so townie that rayn insta-voted mig when he thought mig was doing the opposite kush: seems to think I'm mafia because... idk? everyone is mafia according to kush and that's really all I found so far. Good job, this'll be the 2nd time ever to be lynched as town for me in 3 years of mafia on TL. Usually people aren't so dense and I really thought I'm way to obvious about it, but whatever, rayn even thinks vayne is town for the reason he should be thinking I am town, or so I presume? | ||
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oh my bad, shouldn't be writing in TL-ADT irc while posting in here, get's confusing... Super famous line from someone from Bakemono, translates into something like "you do know everything, don't you?" | ||
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There was no claim from anyone so it's not a vig-shot from us I guess. | ||
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On January 19 2014 09:13 Cephiro wrote: Toad, do you think if mafia had a vig that they'd take a shot at this point? If I was scum, I'd be more concerned about the possibility of an SK. To me, kush hardly seemed like a blue or an SK. Of course it's still a possibility, but I consider it unlikely. But it's something that should be kept in mind, especially with hopeless's vet claim. Assuming it is true, it could easily be that the setup has a high amount of kp. sure why not? Killing townies early on or later on doesn't make that much of a difference from a mafiapoint of view. If anything the chances to hit a potential SK increases. At the same time having a bunch of townies dead early on makes it easier to controle town as mafia. So yeah I'd be shooting that vig shot n1 as mafia. I'm not though | ||
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On January 19 2014 09:12 VayneAuthority wrote: i got roleblocked last night rayn thinks you're blue. Sad thing I can't take this information for granted. Would be hilarious to lynch him off of that. | ||
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On January 19 2014 09:21 VayneAuthority wrote: it was a safe roleblock choice for them, im not under much suspicion and I have been trolling with role stuff. doesnt really implicate anyone yeah agree. You're looking even better now that you got RB'ed | ||
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On January 19 2014 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote: im more interested in why it is thrawn/kush that died I'd guess one of rayn/Mig, from you point of view you should probably include me as well, is SK. Mafia didn't shoot into any of that due to fear of protection and the SK didn't shoot that because I looked like a good lynch a couple hours ago, so no need to shoot that and one of rayn/Mig is SK himself, so he doesn't shoot himself either and the 3rd one is either mafia or most likely protected by a doc, assuming a doc is in the game. | ||
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to get *lookylooky I do read the thread* points, but it doesn't really matter either way. If he IS a dayvig he'll shoot today and there's nothing mafia or an SK could do about it. | ||
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On January 19 2014 09:35 Cephiro wrote: I was confused due to the way you posted, but that clarifies it up, thanks. However, there is no reason why your or anyone else should consider me a dayvig, nor expect me to have killing powers right now. So let us assume I have none and go on. I do agree with you though, if we have a dayvig, using it as a second lynch makes a lot of sense. Is that going to change over time? | ||
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On January 19 2014 10:22 Koshi wrote: Oh rofl. This post is from before the Night post.... Kinda ballsy to put the nightkills in 1 post though. Or maybe it is already damage control. so it was mafia night hit + mafia vig and not mafia+SK after all. Understood. | ||
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On January 19 2014 10:37 Koshi wrote: Ohyeah, might be sk kill as well. Point is, why already say you will be misslynched before day starts? like you said, I actually was mad at that point because I still haven't heard a single reason for why I'm supposed to be mafia and everyone kept saying it. Then I saw the nightkills and got all like lolz not even mad, might actually still have a chance like this But that's in the past now | ||
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On January 19 2014 10:41 Toadesstern wrote: like you said, I actually was mad at that point because I still haven't heard a single reason for why I'm supposed to be mafia and everyone kept saying it. Then I saw the nightkills and got all like lolz not even mad, might actually still have a chance like this But that's in the past now actually, feel free to take that as confirmation that I did not know about the nightkills lol | ||
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On January 19 2014 10:52 Koshi wrote: hmmm. Are you playing me? that's up for you to decide. When you had your first game as mafia with a coach and had some weird 4 way with different possibilties for why someone might be doing something, what's the phrase your coach should have told you? the most simple explanation is usually the correct one | ||
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About mafia, I'd like to lynch ska, maybe Mig/Oats/Koshi (typed your name out for filter reasons), a little less maybe hopeless but I don't really have him green. | ||
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On January 19 2014 11:23 Cephiro wrote: You felt necessary to answer earlier one when you were questioned / accused by others for your lack of response to my case. (Merely acknowledging it's existence and moving on.) By this point you've had more than enough time seeing as you've been posting in thread to read it. Is there a reason you haven't followed up on it after reading it? Or have you still not? I also don't like at all how you are claiming everyone is against you and you're clearly being framed and how you're clearly going up for lynch. I haven't felt at a single point in the game that you would've been close to getting lynched. Is there a particular reason you feel necessary to continuously point this out for others? Trying to ensure everyone understands you are being framed when you aren't? Just looks really off in my opinion. have you actually looked at what was posted during the night? No still haven't read it. I'll read it tomorrow, it's 3:30 am over here and I only got into a better mood 2 hours ago, which was still 1:30 am. Can't do anything that takes longer than 2:50 minutes atm, which explains most of the short posts from me atm. | ||
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On January 18 2014 08:39 Cephiro wrote: [...Ceph's case on mig...] So finally got to read it. I disagree with the very first part about the smiley. I think it's a small but legit thing. Yes it could be wrong but I don't see any problems with it. The 2nd part is true. What Mig states there just doesn't make sense. Just because someone thinks you're mafia does not mean you have to think he is mafia in return for saying so. The 3rd part about Mig being concentrated on sn0 I disagree with as well. Mig hasn't posted all that much so yeah it's maybe going to look like he's tunneling but I don't particularly mind what Ceph is pointing out here. The 4th part is something I still agree with Mig about. I don't know if I'd call it confident but sn0 certainly has changed. 5th part is something that seems strange but is taken out of context by just bolding the latter part. It is Do you believe that is why I am posting against you? Or do you think I genuinely believe what I am posting? Same thing as with the stuff we had about that one phrase I had. It's ein Either X or Y phrase, it is therefore obvious that one of the parts sounds weird on itself. It puts emphasis on something to get a "see? that's just weird, has to be the other thing" response.So all in all I only really agree with the 2nd part in Ceph's case being The second point just isn't valid. Why would it not make sense from town perspective? I can very well believe someone to be town even if they have a scumread on me. The word "instead" as I read it in this sentence is meant in the following sense opinion. reading this actually made me more doubtful about Mig, both ways. Checking out skanjab and Oats filter now. | ||
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Also I guess I should rephrase the part where I said It puts emphasis on something to get a "see? that's just weird, has to be the other thing" response. because that's not what he's trying to do with that phrase but no idea how to describe it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [big post] + On January 18 2014 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Top scumread Oats:
kush has failed to say anything productive all game, posts useless lists, lies and should die. To quote WaveofShadow; Why is he allowed to continue in this game? Skanjabs made a terrible case on Sn0, the case was totally forced and it wasn't even about someone being scummy. Something pinged him and then he went to Sn0's filter and "looked for scummy stuff" like he said himself. That's not how townies make cases, so he is either scum or terrible at this game. Leaning on scum. Also right after the deadline he posts something that's very suspicious. This: 1) This could have been said before the deadline if he really thought this, there is no reason to not give your thoughts unless you know Grack is town and just want to lynch a townie 2) See this? Stupid reasoning for Hopeless to be mafia. Again, if he thought this before the deadline why not say it? If he believed Grack is mafia then this is not even an argument because it contradicts itself. Toad & Hopeless are useless and post bad arguments. Oats is mafia Skanjabs is mafia kush is mafia If not all of them, maybe one of Toad/Hopeless - leaning on Toad. That's really the only thing I've found on his reasoning. He has some points on Oats, he has some points on ska, kush is dead by now and he ends with "Toad and hopeless are useless, so mafia" which just isn't a reason to call someone mafia. + Show Spoiler [next post] + On January 18 2014 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Toad never mentions Oatsmaster in his filter but is interested in other "useless people" a lot. In fact most of his contributions in the game are towards kush, i find this to be really weird in general. Toad does not mention Cephiro in his filter at all after Cephiro does something suspicious!!! I even call Cephiro out for not playing the game 24h into D1 (instead he was playing voice mafia). Apparently he also has nothing to say about Cephiro's case on Mig, which should be an interesting post for him because hw literally called one of me/Mig scum at some point. Yes and I find it very weird that he's pointing out these two for two reason: First one being: You don't make assosication reads before people flip. He should know better than this, yet he's already assuming Oats and Ceph flipped something that is alignment indicative (probably mafia?) and I'm ignoring them for that reason. Like I said, you don't do this stuff before people are flipped. Secondly: They're completly randomly picked. There's more people I hadn't mentioned a single time at that time. Why just mention those 2? + Show Spoiler [WTF] + If i am the Vigilante: On January 18 2014 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Funny things i wanna try this game: If i am the Vigilante: i will shoot Oats (or Skanjabs if he does not answer my questions) If i am the Doctor: i will doc thrawn. If i am the Parity Cop: i will check Toad. All of the above are true. The fuck? He says he'd shoot Oats or ska if he was a vig. Now we all know he isn't but if he'd shoot Oats or Ska why is he voting me? Or why didn't he put me as his vig shot instead of parity cop check, which takes some time to get results, which he as a VET should assume he's not going to get. This just doesn't make sense at all. + Show Spoiler + On January 18 2014 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats/Skanjabs/Toad anyone? + Show Spoiler + On January 19 2014 05:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: im pretty drunk thrawn. Oats is so scum. So is Toad. Who is third? [spoiler] On January 19 2014 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: [/spoiler]I don't know if we should lynch Skanjabs instead. Ugh.. Maybe Skan/Toad/OAts are just scum and that's it. Like "hey, let's lynch the un-cc'd veteran because the claim is most likely true since we don't have a doctor" because: 1) mafia believed Hopeless' claim as if Hopeless was mafia there would be a doctor and then you don't hit thrawn 2) there is no doctor because no sane doctor would have protected anyone else than thrawn So yeah, no, we are not lynching Hopeless. His most recent post. Suddenly ska reappears on the list. I'm still his lynch candidate but Ska/Oats are STILL his more scummy suspects as he keeps on pondering about those instead. Despite saying though his vote is still firmly on me. And as you might have figured, still no fucking reasoning for anything. Wouldn't be suprised if it's rayn/ska or rayn/Oats to be honest. | ||
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Or not explaining why he wants me lynched at all despite being his main lynch candidate despite wanting to kill you and ska with deadly bullets. | ||
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On January 20 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: In chronological order: I say i think Oats is mafia and my top scumread, i also say i think Toad is mafia. Toad makes a series of terrible posts. I vote for Toad because of those terrible posts in addition to him not wanting to find mafia on D1. Toad wonders why i am voting for him because i should be voting for Oats. rofl no that doesn't make sense. 1) may be true and is in fact the only thing recorded in your filter 2) was never pointed at somewhere 3) that should have happened before #1 because your #2 is at n1 4) yes. I might sound like a broken record here but there's still no reasoning for anything here. You're still just saying "because of terrible posts" and nothing else. At this point I don't even mind you equating terrible posts with scummy posts, that's just bad but it's at least something instead of just not doing anything. Anyways you got 2 hours to post some, I'm on the train as of now | ||
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It's as much about Ska and how he starts out as one of your mainreads who is a much stronger read than I am, at some point I start being a much stronger read up to the point that you don't even consider Ska a mafiaread anymore and today you're voting me despite saying Ska is probably the better lynch which should mean you think he's more scummy. Not a single of those changes of heart are explained whatsoever, nor does it make sense that if I'm your stronges mafiaread atm, like you just stated, that you're telling people to vote ska despite having your vote on me atm, But like I said I'm really afk now | ||
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On January 20 2014 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On January 20 2014 02:06 Skanjab1s wrote: This is strange, because you have said that I'm your main lynch candidate, but rayn is still a "more scummy suspect", and you keep pondering on about him instead. And as you might have figured, you've given no reasoning for thinking I'm scum, either. It's a bit weird to be accusing someone of being scum for doing the EXACT thing you are doing, unless you're scum, of course. I had rayn as town before rechecking his filter. I'd rather lynch him than you atm and no problem putting my vote where my mouth is as he response is a completly made up post of bullshit that doesn't adress anything I've asked him to do. Still a broken record I know but he still hasn't given any explanation on why my supposedly bad posts make me mafia. He keeps on calling people bad and awful and that's all the is to it. ##vote rayn | ||
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On January 20 2014 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with Toad's statement is that on D2 i have never said you or Oats is my top lynch target. He is twisting information to try to make me look bad. If someone can find a post on D2 where i say you or Oats is scummier than Toad then he can lynch me no probs. But the fact is he can't bak up his argument because it's not true, and he is mafia because he is making bullshit arguments that are not true. On January 19 2014 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know if we should lynch Skanjabs instead. Ugh.. Maybe Skan/Toad/OAts are just scum and that's it. Like "hey, let's lynch the un-cc'd veteran because the claim is most likely true since we don't have a doctor" because: 1) mafia believed Hopeless' claim as if Hopeless was mafia there would be a doctor and then you don't hit thrawn 2) there is no doctor because no sane doctor would have protected anyone else than thrawn So yeah, no, we are not lynching Hopeless. Why would you be saying that, on D2, if you think you found a mafiaclaim from me, on d1? | ||
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On January 20 2014 03:03 Toadesstern wrote: Why would you be saying that, on D2, if you think you found a mafiaclaim from me, on d1? my bad: Why would you be saying that, on D2, if you think you found a mafiaclaim from me, on n1? | ||
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On January 20 2014 02:21 Hopeless1der wrote: So your piling onto toad as well because bad=scummy when talking about high skill players,yes? unlike Oats, I do think I get what you're getting at here. Anyways, mind giving some thoughts on who you'd like to lynch? The way I see it is we have this stand-off between mostly rayn who isn't willing to explain anything, calls anyone who disagrees with him a retard and wants people to sheep him. That does encourage other people doing the same, not explaining and just sheeping/voting without ever explaining why they think the way they think. So how about we change that up a little, all hold hands, be happy and you start with giving your ideas on either who you'd like to lynch and/or this situation. Break it down so a 5 year old can understand it. Just like you'd do it in a newbie-mini game. Anyone else who isn't rayn as well really, he's already clearly demonstrated that he's either to arrogant to do so, not willing to do so or can't do so. Considering how often I have tried to make him spill the beans I'd say it's the 3rd one but that's my conclusion. | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Speaking of lies: Where do i ever say i think Vayne is blue? Show me one post where i say on D2 that i think Ska/Oats are more scummy than you are? Top one: I even said in there "Sad thing I can't take this information for granted.", you know, right after your bolded part. bottom one: On January 19 2014 23:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know if we should lynch Skanjabs instead. Ugh.. Maybe Skan/Toad/OAts are just scum and that's it. Like "hey, let's lynch the un-cc'd veteran because the claim is most likely true since we don't have a doctor" because: 1) mafia believed Hopeless' claim as if Hopeless was mafia there would be a doctor and then you don't hit thrawn 2) there is no doctor because no sane doctor would have protected anyone else than thrawn So yeah, no, we are not lynching Hopeless. to put this into context. 1) You didn't even consider ska mafia in the posts before that, at least he dropped out of your mafia lists and only Oats and I were in there for the longest time, with you wondering who the third might be 2) you apparently found a mafiaclaim from me n1 3) d2 you're contemplating about lynching ska instead. | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:21 Koshi wrote: If rayn is scum I am going to be really sad. Oo imho he isn't. It doesn't make any sense. It feels like town rayn to me and the 2 guys that are dead. Toad, why did Kush and thrawn die? I guess mafia shot thrawn because he looked decently townish and him flipping green doesn't give us that much information. If they shot me you'd know that the people talking about me on n1 were wrong and you'd move on, at the same time you'd have the question of why they didn't just shoot rayn or mig, which if one of them is mafia is bad for them. From my point of view and I know I'm town thrawn is a really good hit for mafia because it keeps us in this clusterfuck were rayn thinks I'm mafia. My guess on Kush idk, could be anything at this point and depends on if it was a mafia hit or an SK hit. SK shoots that to keep confusion instead and perhaps like hopeless said to frame me while being somewhat certain mafia's not going to hit that. To avoid doublestacking. Mafiahit seems unlikely as that'd mean they had 2 shots and they could have just shot rayn (assuming he is town like everyone thought at that point) or some other high caliber target if the said person is a dangerous. TL;dr: So if you think it was 2 mafia hits the logical conclusion can be either: 1) Mafia wants you to keep talking about me 2) Mafia doesn't mind rayn alive (assuming he is town like you seem to) and Mig because nothing they said is correct and they're not posing a threat to mafia, thus not feeling the need to shoot them. If you think it was mafia + SK the SK wants confusion for sure. The fact that mafia (probably) went for thrawn makes me believe the same's true for mafia. I don't think they'd be shooting thrawn if they want to dodge possible medic protection. | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mafia kills people who are on the right track. That's how it goes. Noone "sets up people" because then the people who are right just lynch you because they already think you are mafia. If that's the case, why didn't they just shoot you? On January 20 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can SK frame you as they would not know if you are mafia or not? Frame as in, set me up for lynch? You three were talking about my lynch after all. | ||
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On January 20 2014 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: How the fuck can you even ask that as thrawn had same reads then i did? So you think that thrawn and kush are both players that are better than you are. Good I'll remember that | ||
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Yes I'm the cop, yes I checked hopeless n1, yes I breadcrumbed it, yes vayne ruined the breadcrumb, yes that's threa reason I said rayn thinks vayne is blue because I strongly suspect him to have found something that looks a lot like a DT softclaim yes that's the reason I kept talking about why vayne asked about the miller and wanted to hear his reasoning for that, yes that's the reason I didn't give too much of a crap to post decentish because I don't want to get shot by mafia nor roleblocked. See you in 28hours, I'm done with this bullshit | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote: no one will follow through and will probably try to lynch me, but here's my thought process option a) kush flips scum option b) rayn takes a hit to his ego option b2) rayn dies for being wrong (haha smd) thats a win-win(-) to me. Since kush already flipped town, b) should already be the case. I'd be willing to execute b2) or vote myself, nothing else. Up to whoever gets in here first and tells me what to do with my vote. Yeah sorry but rayn's been a dick all game long so I just felt like pointing this out before I, the other 100% certain mafia will flip town as well. Back to CivV | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 20 2014 07:41 Hopeless1der wrote: ##vote: toadesstern I'll take that as vote myself. ##unvote ##vote Toadesstern | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
So last post from me, the PPS-part is probably a TL;DR: I was fully aware I'm getting myself lynched. I considered it the only possible option left to not auto-lose this on d3 with two consecutive mislynches. Lynching me might be a misslynch and a very dark situation for town to be in but not lynching either me or rayn would have brought us 2 consecutive cycles of bullshit that I considered to be deff-lose for us, the RB was pretty convenient that way (well actually if there was no RB I would have just forced mafia to shoot me but whatever). Also the reason I have refrained from posting. So that's why. [-redacted- I guess I can say that I did ask Dandel about this] Also I actually felt really bad for Mig in case he's town prior to deadline. I did read that because it was so short before deadline but I really had to force myself to not post, sorry On top of that, yeah I was emotional and to put this into context I've never been as angry about anyone's play before as this and I've been in games like this: On February 25 2012 12:15 wherebugsgo wrote: and this:stop crying Toad, you're German and your country decimated the Jews, you have no room for sob stories User was temp banned for this post. On February 02 2013 07:55 Toadesstern wrote: 2 Nominations from LIX 1) Vivax for WTF-Award, from BC's TL Mafia LIX http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=104#2071 into http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=104#2074 into http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=105#2084 TL;DR Sup guys I'm a DT, it's D2 and I've got a red check on Gonzaw, but let's lynch the mayor (Marv) who succesfully lynched mafia d1 instead because we can just go for the big fish and Gonzaw (red check) already used his joat powers after all. After lynching Marv we should probably lynch Toad, the sheriff who ended up being sheriff with exactly as many votes as my red check Gonzaw, just comming in as second because he had 4 votes sooner. Once those two are dead we can lynch my red check and 5 other guys. I'm 100% postive, I'd rather play with people like the above than have another game with rayn if he so happens to flip town. I can't believe how furious he made me with constantly sprouting bullshit and constantly being an arrogant dick about it and just not changing it even after having to realize that he's just plain wrong about everything he's saying like the 100% certain lynch on kush, the almost 100% certain lynch on grack and the 100% certain lynch on me, who all flipped town. I just can't believe how someone would be such a dick about it and just not at least drop the insults after that and not just at least for a second go mmmh, wait. Maybe my reads are off atm. I should probably restart this from point 0 instead of just continuing with my other reads like nothing happened I don't mind if he's calling me a retard once or twice without anything besides it, obviously it's going to make me angry but whatever. But having it happen the entire game and like he said, there wasn't even a case about me no matter how I much I asked for them to just explain it so nothing I could respond to except for thrawns "he feels weird" ... duh thanks... and rayns "he disagree's with me on ska so he's a retard, he mafia". I guess that one post he did that ended up being a bunch of either lies or him forgetting what happened d1 that I replied to is an exception but it was ignored so nothing to be said there. Obviously, if you're mafia or SK good play despite it being absolutely disgusting. Btw the exact same thing happened in another game, as I'm sure rayn is aware of, as he does like reading older games. Obviously I flipped town as well. Btw I even said in pregame that I get emotional about games really quickly and I can't do much about it, heck that's the reason for the long pauses inbetween to cool down... I even got the dramaqueen award for it (and award for best play together with VE I might add, so you can fuck off rayn) for crying out loud. So no matter what you make of that, please for the love of god don't just sheep the guy who thought kush is a 100% certain lynch to a point that he agreed to let himself get lynched afterwards, grack is an almost 100% certain lynch and I'm an 100% certain lynch. He's either mafia/SK or not to be trusted because he's having the most awful game you could imagine. And in both cases you don't want to trust him with his reads. Not giving any reads out myself as I honestly haven't read anything ever since the claim to not get tempted to post, so I wouldn't know. So don't just continue like nothing happened, start over from 0 and consider who defended who during all this, there's bound to be information in that. And again, sorry about this but I really think having it this way is still the better option than having rayn "tunnel" me all throughout d2 and d3 and either have someone sheep him and not even have a chance to lynch mafia, OR just not having a chance to lynch mafia because rayn's town while I'm still alive and it's certainly better than getting lynched without claiming or lynched and claiming 5 minutes prior to deadline. Hooray for getting lynched the 2nd time ever as town in 3 years of mafia and both happened exactly the same way \o/ Ps: I picked hopeless because he's either blue or anti-town and has no chance to be a miller. Kind of a combi solution. I considered other people but like I said, as long as I'm not getting miller I'm good with whatever it returns on n1 and can then decide what to do n2. PPS: The phrase I probably use the most often in games of mafia is something along the lines of "Sometimes people are just dense. Sometimes you have to lynch a green and shove their dead head into peoples faces to show them how dense they were to stop the ongoing bullshit. It's a sad story but let's lynch XXX [XXX being a green] and win this the next cycle". But I'm sure rayn knows that as well as he has thoroughly researched me. he's that kind of a guy. Sad thing it ended up being me this game. And while this seems like a lose for us it's at least not a 100% certain lose. | ||
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