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@Koshi: never ever rolled scum. Only replaced into a scum role (once). The dice love/hate me depending on how you see it | ||
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Bowser's a coward tho that guy needs a resign ability. | ||
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Then I give in, read my PM, and am town anyway so it doesn't matter. | ||
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FIRST! | ||
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Lets lynch the host | ||
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PS since when does kush do like reads and shit 15 mins into a mafia game? | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:14 Toadesstern wrote: well yeah, with you telling everyone about it I don't see anyone being stupid enough either. Just for reference, Matt claimed self-aware miller in a game that had no self-aware millers in one of my games and it got him lynched d1, ended up flipping mafia obviously. Anyways beans are spilled and like I said I don't read to much into it either. What how come this never happens in my games? I don't think i've ever lynched scum day 1... | ||
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Admittedly, still stupid to do as town, but less so. | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:37 RippedPunk wrote: I'm sexy and I know it ... oops? | ||
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On January 16 2014 11:08 Grackaroni wrote: ##Vote: Grack You cannot seriously believe that this is helping find scum can you? | ||
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How about some COMMENTS with your commentary then? PS: hopeless for scum. Too many "i'm totally contributing" 1-liners and easy snipes plus seems overly interested in cementing a lynch with 40 hours left in the day. | ||
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1) Vote ur target 2) Tell them to post seals and abandon thread 3) Flame their play + Show Spoiler [1] + + Show Spoiler [2] + On January 16 2014 11:30 Hopeless1der wrote: this is the part where you post seals and peace out of the thread grack + Show Spoiler [3] + On January 16 2014 11:37 Hopeless1der wrote: because you've self voted and followed up with complete nonsense for no discernible purpose than to make noise. No need for much else  | ||
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On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote: Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time. (1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum? (2) What will you be remembered for this game? (3) How do you react to pressure? (4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved? Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way. 1) I generally enjoyed my town games more than my singular replacement into a maf game 2) dafuq would I know? 3) Depends is a horrible cop-out answer everybody puts forth. I usually just OMGUS cuz omgus. Or whine a lot. 4) Tears, tears everywhere Aaaaand in other news I certainly hope you aren't counting on this or your romp through my filter as "contributions". | ||
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On January 17 2014 00:35 Hopeless1der wrote: Toad, comment on why skanjab's case is bullshit as per rayn's discussion. One of you is wrong. Explain why. Hopeless, stop 1-liner sniping from the sidelines and do some legwork yourself. Image macro's are worse than 1-liners. You work hard enough to find/generate an image macro but are too fucking lazy to do anything that could be construed as hunting scum. That doesn't make a ton of sense. Unless theres a good reason you don't want to take a stance on anything in-game? Oh yeah, cuz ur scum. | ||
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On January 17 2014 01:07 Skanjab1s wrote: Oh wow, rayn, you actually think I'm opting out of discussion? Really? Making opening cases on people and then getting called scum for it is what I do, yo. He can't. I mean, he's welcome to try, but it wont work. This sounds a lot like "I intentionally made a worthless case cuz its my town meta and I gotta match that". Which sounds a lot like scum :/ | ||
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Kush felt immediately different from the other games I'd played with him (towngames as I recall) so I called him on it. I'm not gonna bust out the meta "omg kush scum" on page 2 of the game or whatever but it struck me weird and I wanted to see what he said and what others said about it. Everybody else promptly ignored it and kush's response was "Everybody thinks they r a kush expert" or something. Hardly very convincing, but I haven't played at all in quite a while and kush sounded like this was a sore point for him so I let it be. | ||
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See that latter one is EXACTLY the kush I was expecting and didn't get. | ||
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On January 17 2014 03:12 Skanjab1s wrote: i need to organize my nightkill candidates wat? | ||
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Sigh, I was hoping for a productive day 1. At least Mig is here and playing finally. I believe that means everybody has posted at least once. | ||
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I have my suspicions but in the name of not just ramrodding the first person mentioned I try to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven scum or whatever. So I look for ways that person's actions could be construed as town and as scum, and see which one makes the most sense. I'll admit my word choice may have been lacking but basically it boiled down to "well this could have been a helpful town play but it isn't so either he's bad town or scum" which unfortunately is something I'm excessively bad at figuring out (especially day 1). I'm also well aware that a large part of my distaste for him is simple OMGUS so I'm trying to work through that as well. So when the ONLY thing being discussed in the thread is skanjab's case on me, I'm willing to put in my side and call out skanjab, but I feel like its important to look at both sides of the coin. | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:02 Mig wrote: Also, not even sure why you mentioned this. A lot of the things you say feel fake to me. Saying you were "hoping for a productive day1". We arent even 24 hours in yet. Just feels like bs. I was actually waiting for you to post specifically because everybody else had. Its hard to look at the list of players and start deciding who could be scum and who couldn't and who I should be analyzing to lynch when there are people with exactly zero posts. I mean, Grack and Vayne still haven't contributed anything but thats something I can judge them on at least. When all of day 1 is discussing me, hows that help us find scum? Literally the vast majority of this 20 hour old game has been skanjab's stupid case and then bickering over word choice. Plus its incredibly difficult to look analytically and clearly at cases calling ME scum and try to figure out who has scum motivations for their posts and who doesnt. | ||
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"Omg Sn0 joked about lynching the host cuz he fucked up the daypost. Obvious scum too much flippancy" followed by "Omg Sn0 insufficiently flippant this game. Obvious scum too much srs" get real. | ||
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On January 17 2014 04:21 Mig wrote: Anyway sno, who do you think is scum? Saying everyone focusing you isn't productive is bullshit. The way people go about pressuring/building their cases shows you a lot about alignment. Half the thread could be scum. Actually more than half. I still don't have anything I think is worth putting together into a concentrated effort to lynch. As you are so eager to point out, its still somewhat early day 1. Like, if I had to snap-lynch somebody right now it would probably actually be grack, but thats mostly because I prefer lurker lynches day 1. In terms of who is most likely to be scum, Hopeless i guess, skan/kush are up there too. Day 1 sucks. People making cases on me makes it a fuckton harder for ME to read the thread as mentioned because not only does a ton of bias creep in to my reads whenever it happens, but also it competes with discussions that are actually geared towards catching scum. So I dislike it, especially when they are so ridiculous. | ||
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You've jumped into the thread and spoke of nothing except "omg sno scum lynchzorz". I'd like something more to read YOU by if you would be so kind. | ||
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Well what a fount of helpful wisdom you are. Such daring insight. | ||
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I've been posting, pointing out inconsistencies that I see, demonstrably showing how my reads are developing on Hopeless, Skanjab, etc. I haven't exactly nailed scum yet but I'm trying to be transparent and keep the thread moving in a positive direction. You drop into the thread, blast the current most popular target, then toss out "oh yeah and those 2 lurkers must be the other scum cuz I'm too lazy to come up with anything else". | ||
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On January 17 2014 05:33 thrawn2112 wrote: hi! awake. koshi so scummy Tell me more On January 17 2014 05:33 VayneAuthority wrote: hmm thread is a mess but learned some useful things u2 | ||
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On January 17 2014 05:37 VayneAuthority wrote: don't want to disturb the natural habitat, small games are the easiest to employ my scumhunting strategies If this is that fucking "the first person to accuse me is scum" thing again... That game was so painful T_T | ||
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On January 17 2014 05:45 thrawn2112 wrote: his bs about caring about oat's alignment, which he obviously didn't, and how couldn't come up with reasonable things to say about oat's posts when asked. Hmm good point. I'm trying to figure out if he was trying to deflect shit for some reason or if he was just still sore about oats fooling him in PYP with this in-your-face stuff though. | ||
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He starts out out-of-character, produces 2 scum candidates practically out of thin air in like the first 3 pages of gameplay, then is reminded that he's not playing to "meta" and instantly reverts to useless troll without even bothering to try to develop or justify his reads. Which, by the way, he feels the need to keep calling scum without adding to any body of evidence. If he started out as usual then he'd get a free pass as "just kush" but that start is bothering me combined with how rapidly he tailored himself to thread expectations. | ||
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On January 16 2014 10:07 kushm4sta wrote: Im not calling you anything. You are calling yourself VT which im just informing you is bad for town. So you shoulnd't do it ever again please. To this: On January 17 2014 02:14 kushm4sta wrote: i dont mind getting lynched because I think it would be funny One is pretty "serious" and not at all in line with what I'd expect of you, and one is trolly, amusing, and very much in line with the public perception others have of you. What happened in the middle was that people were claiming that when you are serious like that you are scum. If you'd like to explain i'm all ears. | ||
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As nice as it is that you are handing out town-reads like they are going out of style, the entire thread cannot be town (I checked, Caller isn't the host). Whats the master plan here? The goal of the game is to find and lynch scum... | ||
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Now that you are back, care to do anything whatsoever? | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow no, i did it once and we lynched scum. i don't do it unless i am sure. Erm, Dat game where we lynched WoS based on your garbage Then we flamed each other brutally forever Koshi was like self aware miller and you were non self aware miller or something. Yeah we didn't lynch you for it but this same offer was what you used to push through the WoS mislynch. Then again, Kush actually seems scummy this game, so I'm pretty okay with this. ##Vote: Kushm4sta | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure i did not say you can lynch me if i am wrong. Did i say that? Coulda sworn you did. Its not that relevant though since as I've mentioned I think you are actually right this time. | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:27 kushm4sta wrote: ok im ok with this. kush vs sno. we have a townie off. where we pick someone who we think it scummiest (someone who hasn't been discussed that much) and make a case on them to prove our towniness. the loser gets lynched. I hope you understand that you can still fulfill YOUR part of this deal and if you are actually town and manage to contribute then its all upside. I mean, there's no reason NOT to. | ||
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On January 17 2014 11:08 Toadesstern wrote: duuude, he never rolled scum? This would be an instalynch if this was irc-mafia Thats everybody's goddamn response | ||
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Theres still like 22 hours to lynch and I'm around for the 8 or so immediately preceeding lynch so I'm pretty much done with the thread until then. | ||
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Also, kush is legit playing this game, so for now I ain't lynching him. ##Unvote | ||
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On January 18 2014 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote: The doc claim is completely non alignment indicative. Okay but he's still trolled the shit outta this game without even pretending to offer insight. At the moment he seems like the best lynch after maybe Cephiro? Everybody's points on hopeless are basically my read I've had since the start of the game and the fact that everybody all of a sudden "sees" them is bothering me a bit, but I still think he's scum and still could lynch him. Day 1 though, I'd rather lynch the really useless players. Which kinda includes mig too tbh until he actually posts reads, although thats obviously kinda biased. Pre-Edit: oke mig posted something lemme read that | ||
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On January 18 2014 00:51 Koshi wrote: Mr. Snowman Do you actually have strong reads? Wat? no lol its day 1. Dats why I always push for low activity or troll lynches. Get rid of the people who wont play and then the scum have to match a higher standard. | ||
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Hopeless feels more likely to do something seriously alignment indicative. Grack feels more likely to troll all game long. On the other hand, Hopeless feels scummy whereas grack feels... useless? Not sure. I like one of those lynches though. Or Cephiro, although I've played with town!ceph who was just afk... | ||
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Were you "I-Be-Pro" in hogwarts? | ||
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Not sure if its because he is *that* much better than me or just scum. Not gonna try to lynch on a gut read day 1 though. I still maintain that the useless players here are grack/ceph and if we aren't lynching them we need some pretty solid evidence of scum... Although hopeless is getting close to qualifying. Day 1 is so awful. | ||
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I picked up on that shit long ago. The issue is that I find it hard to really justify lynching him for it over bullshit like grack and Ceph. I just don't find it that conclusive. He looks scummy for it but not like "must be scum". I still feel like I'm going to learn more about hopeless's alignment than gracks or cephiros over the course of the next cycle. If enough people I trust are on hopeless I'd be willing to vote him, he's clearly pretty scummy, but I fail to see how just leaving grack and ceph alive helps town. Toad called for "vig shots" on them but come on, its a mini theres no way town has the KP to clear out the chaff like that. Gotta lynch the useless and then the rest become easy to judge by their contributions. Thats my take, at least on Day 1 lynches. | ||
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On January 18 2014 02:04 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote grackaroni Thank you for your clear explanation of this vote, allowing us to judge your motives and gain a better read on you while also assisting us in understanding why grackaroni is the best lynch candidate. Do keep up the good work. | ||
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I mean, I'm all for a grack lynch, but this looks 6 different kinds of shady... | ||
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I mean, at game start we were all like "grack so scum" and thrawn tried really hard to stop everybody just dogpiling on grack and not giving him a chance to prove himself, but i suppose he's had ages and still hasn't done anything. Dunno, something still just feels off when like 18 people all hop on one guy in half an hour. HNNNNNNG Well we have 6 hours to lynch I have time to think. | ||
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Even if I didn't think he is likely to flip scum (though he is), he deserves a policy lynch for his play. | ||
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On January 18 2014 03:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn is way too pessimistic now. Like WAY TOO FUCKING ANGRY THAT PEOPLE ARE PLAYING BADLY. And you are back to that bullshit sniping from the sidelines that Hopeless is doing too. If you wanna imply something about Rayn, build a case. | ||
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Does that make him town tho? Like, you can be mega-lazy scum just as easily as mega-lazy town right? How are we supposed to figure grack out? If we have grack alive at lylo there's never gonna be a way to be sure about the lynch. Hopeless is at least playing and if he keeps up his current play then it shouldn't be very hard to get a more solid read. Screw this, I like the grack lynch more. I kinda like thrawn's "double scum" theory too but if its wrong I feel like lynching grack now helps town more. ##Vote: Grackaroni | ||
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I mean, yeah weird vibes and all but that doesn't sound like a good day 1 lynch to me... | ||
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Toad is full of shit and being dumb Grack outright refuses to do anything that might indicate towniness Hopeless wont stop sniping from the sidelines and making accusations without substantiating cases or contributing Vaynes all mysterious and awful Mig still won't do anything other than call me scum Koshis all Koshi And thats without cephiro the utterly afk. How do I choose who to lynch? I choose whoever I think isn't gonna become more readable and lynch the crap outta them. Today its grack. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:11 Cephiro wrote: Posting just to confirm everyone that I do intend to be away for the duration of the game. Actual stuff to follow. If someone is trying to get a lynch on me, it should be ignored. HNNNNNNG WTF | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:32 Toadesstern wrote: for infinite post game braggz: EITHER: Mig+ Grack + hopeless as mafia OR: Grack + hopeless + sn0 as mafia and rayn as SK. ezpz Your post-game brag suggestion is that Grack and Hopeless planned in scum QT to hard-bus each other from the very beginning, and then for Mig to out that in-thread? Hmmmm Seems unlikely. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote: Have I missed where anyone directly questioned Grack about his doctor claim? His filter tells me nothing in this regard. Dunno, I asked about it in thread and all I got was Oats saying "Its completely non-alignment indicative". Afaik it hasn't really been mentioned otherwise. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:41 Toadesstern wrote: implying I am correct? I don't even mind if you lynch me for being correct and being a dick about it. If I'm not correct there's no in-thread town-cred to be had lol As in, "Only a townie would need post-game brag points so I should post this since scum would never do that" type shit. I still don't get you Toad. And it feels a lot less like "better town play" and a lot more like "just scum play". | ||
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On January 18 2014 05:27 thrawn2112 wrote: ##unvote On January 18 2014 05:29 thrawn2112 wrote: ##vote: hopeless1der Wat? | ||
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On January 18 2014 05:40 kushm4sta wrote: You are really going to lynch him for being honest about himself? Scum also do this but so do town so it's null. Uh, the only thing that could possibly defend him is that point, which you just listed as "null". Beyond that its all scum. | ||
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"oh yeah somebody had an explanation for why I'm playing anti town they must be right sounds like i'm town guys" | ||
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I mean, he still hasn't given any indication of intending on playing. "yo guys I'll totally prove koshi's scum" sure lets see some actual reasoning and stuff. If grack agrees to play I'd maintain that Ceph is the next lynch but considering whats happening it might have to be hopeless. | ||
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On January 18 2014 05:59 thrawn2112 wrote: oh so now you are wanting to lynch based on scumminess? lol tyhen lynch hopeless Honestly I've tried this before and if I recall, I've never lynched scum day 1. I consider it sufficiently unlikely that its more valuable to set up the next days via clearing out the afk and the useless rather than take a shot at a potential scum candidate who could also be a useful contributor down the road. Or who could be more obviously scum later. | ||
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You guys wanna lynch hopeless? Fine. Lynch hopeless. ##Unvote ##Vote: Hopeless1der Its really not that I don't think he's scum, but we are gonna have these bullshit coinflip lynches later when grack and ceph and co continue to do fucknothign and those lynches are gonna be lylo or mylo or w/e and that shit sucks. | ||
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I move my vote off of some incredibly useless player who has solid odds of flipping scum (especially if he slipped as toad seems to think) to Hopeless specifically because you guys are so fucking certain that he's scum, and as soon as I do everybody is like "abandon ship lets lynch some random person who we haven't even discussed at all in thread". For crying out loud at least give me a case to work with. Otherwise I'm going to go right back to lynching Grack. | ||
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I have no idea why everybody is so convinced you are town. | ||
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Thats an improvement... I guess. | ||
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On January 18 2014 07:37 kushm4sta wrote: why does first line imply im town and second line implies im scum? Can you answer the question though? Like seriously, everything is going to shit and i'm fairly certain its your fault. | ||
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I find it incredibly hard to believe that random last-minute lynches like this could possibly hit scum considering the lack of discussion or proper cases being made. | ||
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Gracks actually kinda playing though. Maybe. Actually JK his long post was just townreads and then parroting thrawn's misgivings about koshi. How do we un-consolidate half an hour pre lynch? SFLJSDL:KJHSDTG | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Grackaroni | ||
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On January 21 2014 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote: look lets just lynch sn0 pls no aka I'm back | ||
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Right now Oats and Skanjab are looking scummiest, I'd like to lynch one of them. I promise this isn't pure OMGUS, but all Oats has done this last day is flame and discredit the shit outta rayn without actually trying to find scum. Then he's like "Lynch Sn0" without reasons simply cuz I'm not here to defend myself. Zero scumhunting or effort, just aiming for an easy target he can safely back off of once I'm back. | ||
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On January 21 2014 00:40 Skanjab1s wrote: Hey, what are your reasons for thinking I'm scum? Because this does sound like pure OMGUS.(net) Because every time you pop in the thread its to be blendy and point out some irrelevancy without actually scumhunting. Who is scum Skanjab? Oh right, its me the safe vote that your scumbuddy oats has already put on the table. Why? "Sheepiness pre vote" give me a break. If you want to accuse me, at least try to make a case. I wanted CONSOLIDATION in the lynch. Something that scum couldn't just pull whatever way they wanted. Meanwhile the rest of your posts range from On January 20 2014 07:07 Skanjab1s wrote: I can promise you that I'm not mafia, and tell you that I've never lied about making that kind of promise as scum, and if you feel like being illogical you'd get to cross off a townie from your scumlist. to On January 20 2014 01:16 Skanjab1s wrote: If you guys could stop shipping me with whoever you think is scum, that'd be great. Rayn, could you summarize why Toad is scum please? Remember that I have no idea about his meta, so the "him being dumb" point doesn't help much. So helpful in catching scum. Clearly that is your primary desire. PS why did you drop your hopeless read? You were so certain he was scum post grack's flip. What changed? None of that comes from town. | ||
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If you think he's scum, lynch with fire. The parity check would still be valid after hopeless flips, in fact it makes Toad's role more powerful if he's not lying. | ||
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I'm not certain on a hopeless lynch anymore I'd have to go back and do some re-reading if that becomes a thing. But Skanjab doesn't really have a reason for just dumping his prime scumread to start calling me scum without any case to speak of. Early D1 case that has been utterly debunked obviously doesn't count. | ||
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Because, like I (and others) said, when was the last time mafia fake-claimed with ~12 hours to lynch and ~2 votes on them? I mean, I'm more certain about Skanjab and Oats being scum, and leaving toad alive has the upside of him either absorbing mafia night actions or basically scumclaiming right? | ||
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On January 21 2014 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote: sn0man, where did your skan and oats read come from, you seemed to want to lynch Toad and hopeless day 1. You guys have both spend the entire game posting 1-line snipes that are pretty much dedicated to starting flame-wars and self-defense. Zero scumhunting. There's nothing to quote from your filters because there's nothing in them. Skanjab's day 1 case is the only thing worth mentioning and it's ridiculous garbage built on nothing day 1. Doesn't count as scumhunting, does count as trying to look good. You in particular oats, your main contributions were "huge flame war with thrawn" -> lurk "huge flame war with rayn". I fail to see how town!Oats does that exclusively instead of actually scumhunting. Your "lynch rayn" case boiled down to "he thinks i'm scum lol" no other reasons. Plus you dropped it in seconds as soon as I showed up. Toad I still don't get but I don't want to lynch uncountered cop claim see above. Hopeless does have a vet claim and his posts struck me as better going through the thread. If there's a serious push to lynch him as I mentioned I can go back and re-read his filter specifically. However, I don't feel the need to do that when you two are so clearly scum. | ||
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On January 21 2014 01:32 Skanjab1s wrote: Well your first point is a complete lie, so thats dandy. Do you wish to point out some fine examples of your or oats's scumhunting? I couldn't find them in your filters so I'm curious as to where you think I should look. | ||
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On January 21 2014 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: My 'huge flame war' was scumhunting, I pointed out some shit about you sn0 which you failed to address. I'm not at all certain what you are referring to, but if its the "I'm a sheep" bit then thats pretty sad. I voted grack. I was convinced he was the best lynch for a loooong time. Then, after a LOT of badgering from others, some of whom I trusted as town, opted to vote hopeless who at the time was still clearly one of my scumreads. When the hopeless lynch all of a sudden dissipated for reasons that I'm still not quite sure about (actually, I should go re-read that), I reverted to my original preferred lynch candidate (grack). Simple. | ||
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Couldn't decide who I thought was a better lynch, you or skanjab. | ||
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I got badgered into voteing hopeless then everybody was like "lulz jk" and unvoted hopeless. I asked for some sort of justification for it, specifically why other people are specifically scummy, and got nothing. So I went right back to grack my original vote. | ||
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On January 21 2014 02:20 Oatsmaster wrote: This. This is a scumslip. So much scumslips. See here you are back to your 1-liner snipes with no explanation because you know there isn't any. On January 21 2014 02:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Why isnt anyone else seeing this SUPER SHEEPING that is happening in these 2 quotes? Is sn0 not sheeping? Working with a townread is sheeping? I was willing to go with what thrawn and kush were saying because they were making the most sense at that time. I'd been fairly suspicious of hopeless all game. However, I wasn't gonna leave my vote on hopeless for no reason once it became clear he wasn't getting lynched so I moved back to my other preferred lynch. This all makes sense from a town perspective. The one that you obviously don't share. | ||
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Kush shortly thereafter went apeshit but for a while he made sense. So I voted hopeless. | ||
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On January 18 2014 04:06 Sn0_Man wrote: Okay, but the whole thread is scummy how do i choose? Toad is full of shit and being dumb Grack outright refuses to do anything that might indicate towniness Hopeless wont stop sniping from the sidelines and making accusations without substantiating cases or contributing Vaynes all mysterious and awful Mig still won't do anything other than call me scum Koshis all Koshi And thats without cephiro the utterly afk. How do I choose who to lynch? I choose whoever I think isn't gonna become more readable and lynch the crap outta them. Today its grack. No kush on my scum list there DESPITE MY PREVIOUS VOTE ON HIM because he was making sense and thrawn was backing him. Then he started changing votes everywhere and I got really confused with what he was doing. I felt like the lynch was gonna end up with some last minute shenanigans which basically always favour scum so I got mad at him and flamed him. Didn't call him scum though. | ||
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how on earth doesn't it make sense for me to revert to my old vote when my "new" one is clearly not getting lynched? I HAD HOPELESS AS SCUM ALL DAY 1. I WANTED TO LYNCH GRACK AKA MEGA TROLL ALSO SCUMREAD. ENDED UP BEING CONVINCED TO VOTE SCUMREAD 2 OVER SCUMREAD 1. WENT BACK TO SCUMREAD 1 WHEN SCUMREAD 2 WAS UNLYNCHABLE. NOW YOU ARE FLAMING ME FOR NOT SHEEPING AFTER CALLING ME SCUM FOR SHEEPING. just shut up. | ||
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Skan defended toad fairly hard but he ditched. Anyway, I certainly have misgivings about the toad lynch. I'd rather lynch Oats, since the only "case" or reasoning he's bothered with all game has been pushing me. Beyond that he's literally got into big hate-fests with multiple people (rayn, thrawn) then peaced the fuck outta the thread after shitting it up to the max. No scumhunting, big flamewars. He also carefully avoided voting for Grack and instead threw away his vote on Koshi of all people. | ||
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On January 22 2014 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look at what Oats is doing. Again. This is what he does every time. He does not comment on anything that's been said in thread. He comments on his theory on how the game is playing out (but he does not really have one) and refuses to say anything on what's been said in thread. That's pure mafia mindset. When you can't answer arguments make some bullshit posts about "what if.." or "but then why..". All he is doing is asking stupid questions, not providing answers or interacting with people. On January 22 2014 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote: There are 0 arguments against me that have any substance. Try harder Rayn. Answer the question. How can Oats post like this and possibly be town? Rayn points out exactly why he looks insanely scummy, since he refuses to reason or contribute in favour of "theory" discussions and shitfests everywhere. His play is like textbook scum play when they don't have cases on townies. Oats's comeback? "Lol nobody has a case on me try harder". The easiest scum defense ever: flat denial. He doesn't address any of the points, doesn't rebutt anything, just says "ur wrong". Oats actually has to be scum. I'm also confused as hell about Cephiro's garbage. I'll reread that and get back to you guys. Meanwhile... ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Who claims SK 10 mins before Day Post? He can't be SK because there's no way that helps him is there? I don't think he was at serious risk in that situation. He can't be Town because his claim doesn't help town at all. Nobody is gonna counter claim him. It didn't come early enough to for example save mig if scum thought "free shot". It is however causing a ton of confusion in-thread. It doesn't even make sense as scum to do that does it? I mean sure he fucks with the thread which is obviously a plus if he's scum but doesn't this make him pretty damn suspicious? I dunno, I want to call it a scumclaim but it seems incredibly dumb from any perspective. It's actually possible that he is SK simply because for example scum could have shot bulletproof SK Ceph who shot Mig last night. However, that still doesn't explain why he claimed. | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Skanjabs, Hopeless and Sno, can you guys vote for Koshi? Or talk to me about the case if you think he is town. Hmmm. I'll have to re-read Koshi I guess. Its LYLO so I can't "just vote Koshi" considering Oats is scum but if Koshi is too then I could maybe. Not sure why we don't just lynch Oats. BRB reading Koshi + ur case. | ||
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On January 23 2014 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: We are not lynching Cephiro today, or if we are the town is going to lose because me and Cephiro are town and i am not voting for him. So stop this shit and tell who do you think is mafia. Hey retard I had to work it through and I said I'd post my thoughts. I didn't say "Vote Ceph" dumbass. I know you think he's town, although I don't agree with your reasoning. Regardless, there is some lag time between when you request something and when I see it and then when I can post. Maf is still Skanjab and Oats. I'm not certain on the 3rd atm. | ||
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Koshi's done pretty near nothing all game. I could see him being scum with Oats. Don't see why we'd lynch him over Oats though honestly rayn, I don't see the associations you are making. Skanjab is scum because he's literally doing the same shit Oats is (minus the huge shitfest with you). Make a bad case on an easy target (me), then make comments on how the game is played and provide unsubstantiated reads. Low-effort, low-content 1 liners that are the easiest shit in the world for scum to hide behind ALL GAME. Neither him nor Oats have every been properly up for lynch all game so they don't have to tip their hand at all. Koshi actually makes a lot of sense as their 3rd, considering how he's done pretty much the same thing now that I went and read him. | ||
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PS this is giving me flashbacks to that game where we were at lylo 3 straight days and ended up with me/you/yam town losing to onegu because we fought amongst ourselves too much. You'd had a strong-ass town read all game on me and then it randomly disappeared at lylo for no goddamn reason. You know i'm town, lets just take it one scum at a time and start by lynching Oats. | ||
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I agree that Koshi scum fits, but I'm not nearly so certain about it. I read what you had to say but it wasn't convincing enough for me to vote Koshi on LYLO. I have no idea where the read on vayne is coming from. Tthe only points I can see against him stem from Cephiro's insanity and then your meta read about his "last will" post which seemed pretty flimsy. Whatever. It really looks like Oats and Skanjab are gonna push their last mislynch through on me and I'm finding it hard to care. | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:01 Skanjab1s wrote: I'm not even voting for you yet, Sn0. ... LOL you are scum and your scumteam's plan is so clearly to mislynch me today. How does your current state of voting 30 hours pre-lynch matter? On January 23 2014 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: *you think you can't.. That's really scummy mindset Sn0. Tell that to hopeless. On January 23 2014 02:03 VayneAuthority wrote: games over, its ceph/rayn/sn0 they outed themselves with rayn's massive mistake if it isn't obvious. lynch all 3 in a row. How do you have a scumread on me and rayn... o.o r u the third scum? | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:32 VayneAuthority wrote: the only other scum team that makes sense to me atm would be oats/skanjab/sn0. so if you want to convince me of that go for it. YEAH VAYNE THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE | ||
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On January 23 2014 02:56 VayneAuthority wrote: For some reason I went from scummy because not night killed to scummy by association with koshi and etc. people just piling on more bullshit as the thread continues. it's a joke and just as bad as making the unflipped assocations koshi is making so that is not a good tell when the case itself relies on such bullshit. You are one of the people who keep coming up with bullshit impossible scumteams that "just so happen" to include me. Its pretty goddamn obvious at this point that the scumteam's plan is to push me as the last mislynch, and probably has been for a while. At this point it's pretty clear to me that scum is 3/4 of (Vayne/Oats/Koshi/Skanjab) because Rayn's right, Ceph did that same bullshit in hogwarts and other games as town, and it makes NO SENSE AS SCUM. Rayn is just town, and TBH right now I can't see hopeless playing like that as scum anymore. Still, I don't think ur right rayn. I think its Skan/Oats +1. | ||
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On January 23 2014 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Umm i don't believe you are mafia because Cephiro says so.. I don't think Cephiro is necessarily right in saying you are mafia, but i understand how he has reached to the conclusion. That does not make him right. Right now i am only confident in my Koshi read and i really want all of Oats/Skan/Sno/you to contribute. You are doing so atm, so it's cool. - Oats never says anything relevant on fucking anything said in the game. - Skan is just being meh.. like "what's the case on this guy?", then says nothing.. - Sn0 just rages to everyone who accuses him and then leaves the thread, sadly that's exactly what always gets him lynched as town so i am trying to be reasonable with him.. not sure how long until i just decide he is mafia. Nobody has any reasons for accusing me though. Its the same as the day 1 shit. "Scum for flippancy, scum for serious". Now oats says "scum for sheep" followed shortly by "why didn't you sheep?". LIKE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. He wants to lynch me because I got convinced to change my vote from my preferred lynch to another scumread, then changed it back eventually. Thats it. Meanwhile as you mention Skan and Oats aren't playing, aren't contributing, are obviously scum, but you seem to give them infinite free passes for god knows what reason after oats has explicitly had flamewars with you, thrawn and toad (all almost certainly town at this point), shitting the fuck out of the thread because he wants to. How can this possibly be hard? | ||
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On January 23 2014 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actuall Sn0 has made some reasonable posts about Oats and Skan, my bad. I really want to see what all of skan/Oats/Koshi have to say. better... | ||
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On January 23 2014 03:17 Koshi wrote: I am never going to win vs rayn. Like never. On January 23 2014 03:18 Koshi wrote: gg wp Is this a scumclaim? I'm so confused. If you are town, and are explicitly pulling a toad... :LSKDHKL:SJBGLDFGSD | ||
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Plus this way town will count on his vote staying there and then he can last-second vote swap if he needs to. If we are worried about voting shenanigans I'm OK with getting 4 on somebody at this point to make that safer. I still prefer an Oats/Skanjab lynch but lemme go look at the votes real quick. | ||
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So we have 4 on koshi, but rayn is afraid that some could move onto vayne if vayne is town? | ||
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On January 24 2014 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like, if we assume Skanjabs is town, everyone who is town MUST ABSOLUTELY vote together. BAD ASSUMPTION ALERT | ||
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Unless oats is somehow town but gimme a break. He dropped his scumread on me for no reason at LYLO because the lynch didn't gain traction. Then he just takes the safe vote and disappears again. Still no logic, still no contribution, no desire to solve the game at lylo for crying out loud. Although I suppose we could do the same for koshi. Keep in mind that scum!oats can move off Koshi whenever to reduce his votes to 3 again, in the event that koshi is scum. I think it makes more sense to vote oats though, because I could see an Oats/Skanjab/Vayne scumteam where skanjab plans to last-second swap and oats just needed a safe place to rest his vote. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On January 24 2014 02:30 VayneAuthority wrote: that scumteam makes little sense to begin with, not to mention I am pretty damn sure koshi is scum at this point. Toad fine, but koshi would not do this as town. "that scumteam doesn't make sense" cuz ur on it rofl. I'm not saying it is the scumteam, I'm just worried it could be. Grack and Toad both basically refused to play and got mislynched for it. I'd really like for that to not happen 3 times in a row. Of course, having votes spread out all over the place when we only outnumber scum 5-3 is worse than a somewhat uncertain lynch. | ||
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Oats/Skan scum. Seems pretty ironclad to me. Skan and Oats are trying to get everybody emotional so that they can't think straight. | ||
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I really feel no desire to defile my pinky by connecting it to scum tho. | ||
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If you can convince me that there's like the slightest chance you aren't scum then maybe I'd feel the need to convince you of my alignment. | ||
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At the end of Day 2 there was essentially zero suspicion on any scummer except maybe me but I'd convinced enough of town that I was town I think. I was, in fact, quite hoping for the flawless victory GG regardless. PS: Special thx to Koshi&Vayne, #1 scumbuddies TL. | ||
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So I played as if it was very clear to me that Skan/Oats were scum and then one of the other two, which gave me both a plausible reason to vote one of them if I had to, as well as a fine reason to ignore the reasons they looked scummy in favour of pushing my 2 (mis)lynch targets. Rayn managed to pick up on the read progression and train of thought that I was trying to project to the thread, which I was pleased about. TBH if I was town I'm not sure I'd ever have been that "certain" about my reads. And honestly, I do post "Well he could be scum but..." as town as well, even when the person flips scum. Although as town as soon as a scummer flips I like to think I re-evaluate based on that info. Especially votes and stuff. I clearly didn't do anything like that this game lol. | ||
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EBWOP: Was @ Marv | ||
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On January 28 2014 00:37 marvellosity wrote: I remember a certain yamato tunnel... <3 Thats the only thing that made me erase "As town I'm never that sure about my reads" and replace it with what you quoted XD | ||
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