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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 25 2014 18:10 GMT
#2441
Man i find this super weird.
Its like hopeless is kinda hostile towards me then he suddenly wants to lynch skanjab.

Super weird.
No gg, No skill.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 25 2014 18:17 GMT
#2442
On January 26 2014 02:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 00:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.

1) I generally enjoyed my town games more than my singular replacement into a maf game
2) dafuq would I know?
3) Depends is a horrible cop-out answer everybody puts forth. I usually just OMGUS cuz omgus. Or whine a lot.
4) Tears, tears everywhere

Aaaaand in other news I certainly hope you aren't counting on this or your romp through my filter as "contributions".


first interaction between them, complete joking and doesn't take it seriously at all, because he doesn't need to. It is scum on scum and he even warns him on how to play in his last sentence, protecting him from doing something scummy.


This is hilarious, because almost everyone answered those questions jokingly. Also even if they didn't, this point is completely illogical. Townies joke. Scum joke. It's not alignment indicative whatsoever.

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 01:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 17 2014 01:07 Skanjab1s wrote:
Oh wow, rayn, you actually think I'm opting out of discussion?

Really?

On January 17 2014 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ugh.. this is gonna be really hard to figure out because Skanjab1s made a terrible terrible case on yamato in Hogwarts aswell.
As sad it is he could do this as town..

Making opening cases on people and then getting called scum for it is what I do, yo.
On January 17 2014 01:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yes I was intentionally lying skan, see my followup post.

I find it hilarious you think rayn CANT get you lynched. Trololol


He can't. I mean, he's welcome to try, but it wont work.

This sounds a lot like "I intentionally made a worthless case cuz its my town meta and I gotta match that".

Which sounds a lot like scum :/


He knows he is trying to match his town meta here because he is aware he is scum, notice now he never follows up at all on this. It's just one of their many soft pushes that never amount to anything.

Important to note here that they never converse again for the rest of day 1 once they are concentrated on getting the grack lynch. Oats voted for Koshi day 1! who did they vote for? sn0 with a wish washy stance drops his vote on grack and skanjab has his vote uselessly on hopeless at that point. also take a look at this post :

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2014 04:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
Okay, but the whole thread is scummy how do i choose?

Toad is full of shit and being dumb
Grack outright refuses to do anything that might indicate towniness
Hopeless wont stop sniping from the sidelines and making accusations without substantiating cases or contributing
Vaynes all mysterious and awful
Mig still won't do anything other than call me scum
Koshis all Koshi

And thats without cephiro the utterly afk.

How do I choose who to lynch? I choose whoever I think isn't gonna become more readable and lynch the crap outta them. Today its grack.


skanjab mysteriously missing from this list, I guess he doesn't need to read him or comment about him. Oh wait...

Oh, but wait, Koshi was on this list. And half the game isn't. Whelp, there goes that theory.

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On January 21 2014 00:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
After reading that little hate-fest and claim I understand toad even less than yesterday but I'm having a hard time calling him a good lynch. What kind of mafia fake-claims with like 2 votes on them and 12 hours to lynch?

Right now Oats and Skanjab are looking scummiest, I'd like to lynch one of them.

I promise this isn't pure OMGUS, but all Oats has done this last day is flame and discredit the shit outta rayn without actually trying to find scum. Then he's like "Lynch Sn0" without reasons simply cuz I'm not here to defend myself. Zero scumhunting or effort, just aiming for an easy target he can safely back off of once I'm back.


At this point hasn't conversed with or spoken of skanjab of ages but then he is randomly back on his scummiest list. The old 1 town/1 scum lynch prospects, never gets old. Keep in mind we now know at this point that Oats wanted koshi dead and he wants sn0 dead too. obviously he wants oats to die and has to make up some bs reasons. Now do a double take and realize that he never gives any explanation for his skanjab read. lol?

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On January 21 2014 00:48 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 21 2014 00:40 Skanjab1s wrote:
On January 21 2014 00:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
After reading that little hate-fest and claim I understand toad even less than yesterday but I'm having a hard time calling him a good lynch. What kind of mafia fake-claims with like 2 votes on them and 12 hours to lynch?

Right now Oats and Skanjab are looking scummiest, I'd like to lynch one of them.

I promise this isn't pure OMGUS, but all Oats has done this last day is flame and discredit the shit outta rayn without actually trying to find scum. Then he's like "Lynch Sn0" without reasons simply cuz I'm not here to defend myself. Zero scumhunting or effort, just aiming for an easy target he can safely back off of once I'm back.


Hey, what are your reasons for thinking I'm scum?

Because this does sound like pure OMGUS.(net)

Because every time you pop in the thread its to be blendy and point out some irrelevancy without actually scumhunting.

Who is scum Skanjab? Oh right, its me the safe vote that your scumbuddy oats has already put on the table. Why? "Sheepiness pre vote" give me a break. If you want to accuse me, at least try to make a case. I wanted CONSOLIDATION in the lynch. Something that scum couldn't just pull whatever way they wanted.

Meanwhile the rest of your posts range from
On January 20 2014 07:07 Skanjab1s wrote:
I can promise you that I'm not mafia, and tell you that I've never lied about making that kind of promise as scum, and if you feel like being illogical you'd get to cross off a townie from your scumlist.

to
On January 20 2014 01:16 Skanjab1s wrote:
If you guys could stop shipping me with whoever you think is scum, that'd be great.

Rayn, could you summarize why Toad is scum please? Remember that I have no idea about his meta, so the "him being dumb" point doesn't help much.

So helpful in catching scum. Clearly that is your primary desire.

PS why did you drop your hopeless read? You were so certain he was scum post grack's flip. What changed?

None of that comes from town.


Does anybody actually remember these pushes of theirs on each other? cause I sure as hell don't. They probably realize in their scum QT that their interactions look pretty dumb with zero reasoning from either side so they try and get fake angry and have a little bitch fight that lasts a whole...one post. Solid discussion right there.


Yes, the push on D1, when you wanted to be all mysterious. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen, and it definitely doesn't mean I'm scum just because you don't remember me pushing him, or him pushing me.

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 01:24 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 21 2014 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
sn0man, where did your skan and oats read come from, you seemed to want to lynch Toad and hopeless day 1.

You guys have both spend the entire game posting 1-line snipes that are pretty much dedicated to starting flame-wars and self-defense. Zero scumhunting. There's nothing to quote from your filters because there's nothing in them. Skanjab's day 1 case is the only thing worth mentioning and it's ridiculous garbage built on nothing day 1. Doesn't count as scumhunting, does count as trying to look good.

You in particular oats, your main contributions were "huge flame war with thrawn" -> lurk "huge flame war with rayn". I fail to see how town!Oats does that exclusively instead of actually scumhunting. Your "lynch rayn" case boiled down to "he thinks i'm scum lol" no other reasons. Plus you dropped it in seconds as soon as I showed up.

Toad I still don't get but I don't want to lynch uncountered cop claim see above.
Hopeless does have a vet claim and his posts struck me as better going through the thread. If there's a serious push to lynch him as I mentioned I can go back and re-read his filter specifically. However, I don't feel the need to do that when you two are so clearly scum.


Now compare that to a case he makes on Oats a bit after and his interaction with him. Nuff said, it is clearly quite different.

How is this different in a scum/scum compared to a scum/town or town/town interaction?
It's obviously different, we are different people talking about different things. It being different isn't anything. Explain how it is different in a way that indicates a scum/scum interaction.

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On January 21 2014 01:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 21 2014 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On January 21 2014 01:32 Sn0_Man wrote:
##Vote: Oatsmaster

why did you vote so late?

Couldn't decide who I thought was a better lynch, you or skanjab.


"couldnt decide what was the better playing, bussing for town cred later or just voting for the townie"

I could go on but I think I made my point here, although I am not the best at making cases.

What is this last "point" in your case? You just changed the words of something he said to something completely random.
How is that anything? This is obviously here to make the case seem larger, as is the "I could go on". No, you really couldn't, because from a whole thread of stuff to fish, you've come up with incredibly silly points. 2/10 Try harder pls.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 25 2014 18:18 GMT
#2443
I can't believe you guys are actually voting me based on that retarded case. It's so obviously contrived, did any of you actually read it?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 25 2014 21:06 GMT
#2444
Votecount

Oatsmaster (2): Cephiro, Hopeless1der, Sn0_Man
Skanjab1s (2): Hopeless1der, VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority (2): Oatsmaster, Skanjab1s

Not voting (0): No bodies

Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched. Day 4 ends in .
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 25 2014 22:07 GMT
#2445
oats you should unvote vayne this time.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 25 2014 22:13 GMT
#2446
I would imagine he is in bed by now. Cephiro needs to consolidate onto skanjab before sn0 man votes me or we lose I imagine.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 25 2014 22:16 GMT
#2447
Worst case scenario is we have to go back on oats if nobody will co-operate and prey he is scum. (unlikely by the looks of it, unless the fake vote switch was done on purpose)
I come in for the scraps
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 25 2014 22:23 GMT
#2448
worst case scenario its 3v2v1 and the SK is eating roleblocks. If the SK lynches against town sentiment (lynch skan), they also lose and there may not be much we can do about it other than complain that they are not playing to their win condition. If its 4v2 like most people believe, Skanjab1s is a dead man. Simple right?
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 25 2014 22:27 GMT
#2449
On January 26 2014 07:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
worst case scenario its 3v2v1 and the SK is eating roleblocks. If the SK lynches against town sentiment (lynch skan), they also lose and there may not be much we can do about it other than complain that they are not playing to their win condition. If its 4v2 like most people believe, Skanjab1s is a dead man. Simple right?


not quite. If nothing changes as it is now, Oats is going to die.

If Cephiro doesn't come back and vote skanjab and I am correct in the scumteam then there is no possible way for us to win.

I highly doubt there is an SK at this point but I guess it is plausible. If anyone it would probably be Cephiro i suppose.
I come in for the scraps
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 25 2014 22:27 GMT
#2450
No, you need to get your asses back on Oats. -_-
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 25 2014 22:31 GMT
#2451
On January 26 2014 07:27 Cephiro wrote:
No, you need to get your asses back on Oats. -_-

do you have a compelling argument for why skan is town? Do you explain how his vote for ?vayne? instead of koshi almost lost us the game and that it almost guarantees he is scum?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 25 2014 22:32 GMT
#2452
EBWOP: last question should read "Do you understand explain..."
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 25 2014 22:36 GMT
#2453
Need to think some things through. It's just that I am currently much more certain about Oats being scum which is why I want to lynch him first.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 25 2014 22:38 GMT
#2454
pretty much the only way I could see him being scum is if the fake vote swap was intentional, which I do not think it was. Hard to comprehend though and I doubt he comes back before deadline. I probably need to protect myself at the very least
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
January 25 2014 22:40 GMT
#2455
##unvote

##vote oatsmaster

this way oats reaches 3 votes first and I can't be vote shenannie'd by sn0 man if he is scum. I am prepared to vote back to skanjab if cephiro changes his mind though.
I come in for the scraps
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
January 26 2014 02:11 GMT
#2456
there is still like 22 hours right?
Relax.
No gg, No skill.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
January 26 2014 03:27 GMT
#2457
Oats mafia roleblocker.
Skan mafia vigilante.

Hopeless Town Veteran
Cephiro Vanilla Town
Sn0_Man Vanilla Town

VayneAuthority Vanilla Town / Serial Killer

We have to lynch mafia today, That brings us to 4-1 or 3-1-1.
Possibilities:

4-1 into 3-1, with most likely me dying on N4.
Nolynch D5
Either 3-1 or 2-1
If 3-1, mafia won't shoot -> lynch the remaining mafia on D6
If 2-1, lynch the remaining mafia on D6 with a smaller chance of fucking it up.

If there is an SK, it is Vayne, there is no other possibility. (Missing SK shot on N1, guess who got roleblocked?)
In this scenario he has probably been roleblocked ever since, just not claiming it. Or just withheld his shot for maximum wifom. Then we come into a tricky situation

Without roleblocker:
SK shoots town -> 2-1-1
If mafia shoots town -> 1-1-1, remaining town decides winner of the game (or joint win for SK+mafia). (If town dies, SK is most likely bulletproof -> SK wins) So mafia would vote for SK, SK would vote for either town or mafia. Unless he is not bulletproof, in which case he'd vote for mafia. This means mafia will not shoot town, unless they want give up the control of having a say in who wins the game. Best play for mafia is to shoot SK. If SK is not bulletproof, he dies, bringing us into 2-1 for the final day. If SK is bulletproof, 2-1-1 final day.

2-1-1 final day means... town wants to nolynch. SK & Mafia want to lynch each other. Or lynch a townie together.

Two possible scenarios:

2-1-1 night, or 1-1-1 night

2-1-1: They cannot shoot each other or they will lose. They will have to not shoot, shoot the same townie, or shoot both townies. If no town dies, repeat scenario 2-1-1 day. If 1 town dies, town decides winner (unless scum+SK decide on joint win), if 2 town dies, scum+sk joint win.

1-1-1: Town decides winner or scum+sk joint win.


With roleblocker:

3-1-1: SK roleblocked, town shot: 2-1-1 with SK bulletproof possibility, not good for scum.
SK roleblocked, SK shot: 3-1 or 3-1-1, town controls lynch in optimal play, and wins game. (3 votes on either SK or scum -> 3-1, NK = 2-1, last day town lynches and wins)

SK not roleblocked, see above scenarios. Only joint win possibility.

Optimal play for mafia with roleblocker alive is to roleblock SK and shoot him to get rid of bulletproof, leaving it 3-1-1 (only possibility for sole win, if manages to convince other townies of himself being town), or agree to draw with SK and play accordingly.

Basically for town this means we are fucked if we kill the roleblocker. But that is also mafia's only chance for a win with their own faction only.

Thus, I'd like to propose the mafia faction that their non-roleblocker starts posting baby seals and outs himself willingly for today's lynch. We are not lynching outside Oats/Skan.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 26 2014 04:31 GMT
#2458
Nightpost may be a few minutes late tomorrow, so after the deadline passes please no talking.
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Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 26 2014 08:02 GMT
#2459
On January 26 2014 03:08 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 03:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 26 2014 02:57 Cephiro wrote:
Hope, do you suddenly think Oats is not scum? Why are you changing your vote when we're quite certain to have a scum with 3 votes up for lynch, if all three of us are town (You, Me, Sn0), then it's a guaranteed lynch since he's the first to three votes.

oats isnt game-mechanically confirmed scum like skan is.


Please explain how I am game-mechanically confirmed scum.

Please. I'm begging you.


Oh, so hopeless, I guess you couldn't do this, then?

Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 26 2014 08:07 GMT
#2460
The only problem with your wonderful plans there cephiro is that I am not scum. Which means that one of Vayne/Sn0/Hopeless/Ceph is, if Oats is actually scum. Trying to keep the lynch between me and Oats is a ridiculously anti-town thing to do.
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