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On May 21 2014 06:08 Steveling wrote: Ok, so, joking aside, in this huge setup, what's the best strategy for town to follow? Don't worry about the factions, that shizzle will presumably become clearer of its own accord over time, and simply hunt mafia. Ez pz. | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:30 Xatalos wrote: Yeah, it's going to be very difficult to decide today's lynch based on voting patterns etc. Since when are Day 1 lynches ever decided on voting patterns? What is this nonsense? | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:49 Koshi wrote: [/QUOTE]AND SO IT BEGINS. Did he do the same thing like he did in the game we have banned out of our minds? ##Vote: Xatalos I don't know. All I know is he's waffling repeatedly and nonsensically about the same stupid thing. That'll do for now. | ||
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On May 21 2014 06:54 Xatalos wrote: What do you mean "I don't know"? You were very specific about your reasons last time. Please be more specific again. I've been perfectly specific, especially for a vote less than an hour into the game. Afraid you'll have to put up with it, dear. | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:01 Xatalos wrote: It just felt like you didn't care too much about your vote. From my previous experience with you, you're very conservative and cautious at the start as town - carefully searching for a good lynch. On the other hand, you're more aggressive and lynch-happy as scum (I don't think I've ever played with you as being scum, but I went through your earlier games in one earlier game and came to that conclusion). That's why I'm afraid that you might have rolled scum this time. Actually historically I throw my vote around more as town, although it varies from game to game. Worry all you like dear. I'd worry more about not talking bollocks over multiple posts if I were you ^_^ | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:07 Xatalos wrote: Specify "bollocks". Nobody else seems to agree with that definition of my posts (at least I don't think so). I've seen you start the game with a half-assed vote several times as scum. When you've been town, you're usually even overly passive/cautious to begin with. That's what I don't like here. Find me someone who will vouch for your series of posts on voting patterns and crap deciding the Day 1 lynch actually being useful, and maybe we can talk again. Toddle along now ^_^ | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:12 Tehpoofter wrote: Can you tell us more about your meta so we can read you correctly? Ask Koshi or Holyflare or Hapa or Wave or something if you're interested. | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:15 Koshi wrote: Is anybody else upset that marv and Xatalos are only paying attention to each other? They should be paying more attention to me. I already jacked off over your hot steamy body, I just didn't expect that the thread wanted to know about it. Plus you already made the wise decision to sheep me, which means you're already playing super well. | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:24 Steveling wrote: I don't like that personal attack. Keep your thoughts about what's mafia play and what not to yourself. lol if you got offended by that, you're in for a tough game, my friend. | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:26 Steveling wrote: He's just mad that for some reason he can't understand I read his scum play so easily. You do realise one of the reasons Holyflare is so successful as mafia is that his play is so similar to his townplay, right? See what I'm getting at? | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote: yes please do ##unvote ##vote steveling You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) | ||
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On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote: So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes? As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p | ||
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On May 21 2014 09:03 Tehpoofter wrote: Fair enough it is just one post but I felt that if he really cared about his answers he would have stuck around at least 2-3 minutes. Who do you think is scummy since BH gets the crazy person yelling pass from you. yes, it was generic and weak, and if he really is a smurf then he should die because me answering some random question (succinctly) is in no way scummy and whoever it is should know that. | ||
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On May 21 2014 10:04 geript wrote: Like WTF people? We have guaranteed scum in Slam. It's a 100% read and I've never read him wrong. Hell last game he was under fire I flipped my read on him because of how well I understand his play despite Rayn being 100% against me. Like wtf. Just lynch Slam already. so... your read was initially incorrect? | ||
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On May 21 2014 10:12 Yell0w wrote: So Slam basically just did what geript said he does as town? Is it just me or is that very scummy? yes, doing what you do as town is super scummy #logic this game is amazing. | ||
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On May 21 2014 10:14 Yell0w wrote: Are you kidding me? He did it after he was called out on not doing it, like did you just make a joke or were you being serious? What if he's town and just did it because it's what he does as town? I have zero idea of slam's alignment atm but everything that's been said about him so far is kinda hilarious. | ||
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On May 21 2014 10:45 austinmcc wrote: There's a string I see and want to tug at, even if the person holding the string likely just has a handful of spaghetti and nothing will happen. yes, and the fact you have chosen to tug at that string is pretty dodgy, actually. | ||
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On May 21 2014 18:32 bkqyrldp wrote: So what did you skim and find suspicious? The fact you are a smurf and the fact you characterised my answer to Steveling as suspicious, when anyone on this forum knows 100% that my answer to Steveling was in no way suspicious and I would certainly answer that way as both alignments. It was just an answer to a question. The reason I am now voting for you is that because this page confirms you are a smurf, and if you are a smurf, you should know better. Which means you were just bullshitting vomit reads, so you're mafia. | ||
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On May 21 2014 11:34 geript wrote: Marv I don't think would cockblock on a null read like this if he were town. More likely he'd ignore me and let me develop it. Not a 100% on that but his push on Xat early was for pretty awful reasoning. Like if Marv were town and has that "it's enough for now" line, he'd be far more willing to entertain a good outside lynch. Plus, he has done nothing to make me think he's either town or scum, which means he cares about how he comes across which is far more likely to be mafia Marv. just a terrible post that is wrong in every facet. christ. | ||
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[QUOTE]On May 21 2014 12:02 geript wrote: [QUOTE]On May 21 2014 11:50 austinmcc wrote: Steveling, i'm gonna ask you THREE question. You're going to pick TWO to answer. Then you answer those two questions and get to ask me TWO questions. Yesssssssssssssssssssssss. (1) What's the BEST post hapa has made and the WORST post? (2) Is there anyone in this game that you've played like...a chunk of games with? Who do you think you know BEST? (3) What are you thoughts on Meapak? Geript, I know it doesn't need saying, but don't shoot marv. No blessings. [/QUOTE] Why do you think he's super town Snooglewoogle?[/QUOTE]I mildly think he's town because he started out arguing with me about something dumb. [/QUOTE] It wasn't dumb in the slightest, I was quite serious. The fact you're trying to brush it off as dumb earns you my second askew glance. Trying to trivialise a valid point isn't clever, austin. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:05 austinmcc wrote: I mildly think he's town because he started out arguing with me about something dumb. It wasn't dumb in the slightest, I was quite serious. The fact you're trying to brush it off as dumb earns you my second askew glance. Trying to trivialise a valid point isn't clever, austin. | ||
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On May 21 2014 18:44 bkqyrldp wrote: I'm not sure what I was exactly thinking when I made that post, you will know later when I ask myself, but my guess is that it was more about you entering the thread with that type of post. Personally I'm not impressed by the rest of your posts so far, as I'm not seeing any of the pointed questions you tend to typically ask. Literally irrelevant. A townie who has even played a single game with me would never even bring up what I said as suspicious. Not even casually. Bad, bad, bad. The fact you know/think I ask "pointed questions" makes your original point on my post look even worse. Keep going? | ||
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On May 21 2014 18:51 geript wrote: Marv serious question: are you going meany pants mode because I pissed you off? no, because you deserved it. Your points on Slam probably have some validity (he's not even attempted to brush the accusations off), but I ain't voting just based on your unwarrantedly firm convictions. | ||
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On May 21 2014 18:58 bkqyrldp wrote: If you are town, you should take a deep breath and reassess the strength of your perceived meta point. There's nothing to reassess, what I said is perfectly clear. | ||
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On May 21 2014 19:04 bkqyrldp wrote: So you stand by the notion that literally no town aligned player who has played with you could find the way you entered the thread suspicious? Does it follow that you consider me confirmed mafia now? No townplayer should, and the likelihood of a townplayer competent enough to smurf characterising my post 10 minutes into the game as suspicious is low enough that I consider you mafia. Confirmed? Na. Always gotta allow for some stupid. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:32 Hapahauli wrote: Very similar thoughts to what you said. Cephrio just started a very awkward conversation with bunnies, and is reading far too much into seemingly reasonable and mundane replies. This is essentially what Cephiro does. I've decided that he's being too ridiculous to be mafia for now, and I've stopped reading Cephiro's posts entirely. There's a natural thread of arrogance running through his posts that usually come from town-Ceph rather than mafia-Ceph as well. | ||
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On May 21 2014 12:37 Tehpoofter wrote: Going to throw out some of my reads so far this game I'd like to see where others stand as well. Town Hero: Tehpoofter Townies: Hapa, BlueyD, HF, Steve, Bunnies, Geript Scum: Yellow, BKQ, Valenius, layabout People Geript Should shoot: Slam People Geript Shouldn't shoot: MarvelloCity 3rd Parties: Crazy MAn who wins by screaming and passing out the most fliers to his RNG party: Blazinghand Lazy People that need to do more: Marv, Koshi + Show Spoiler + Also Austin if there is an ABBA cult I would like to submit an application regardless of how its aligned I will fight for ABBA. I'm tempted to just sheep this guy until I'm more sure Hapa is town. Poofter most certainly is not "classical" mafia this game and all his reads look pretty sensible. And I'll let him off with my name because he's clearly just trolling me, which is mildly acceptable in this case. | ||
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On May 21 2014 13:21 WaveofShadow wrote: But see obviously you have some idea because you wouldn't have had a reason for hapa to be on there over me, right? Also, what geript? Christ, it's because all 3 of us tend to post a lot, and probably in Fool's eyes, post a lot of crap (unlike hapa) I have zero idea how between you you've managed to faff around for multiple posts not making this quite obvious connection | ||
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I liked what Fool had to say about mtamb, about the directness of her posts in the previous game. The fact that what Fool said also aligns with Hapa's feelings is also useful. So as it stands I guess I'd support this lynch. Valenius I have no idea. Yell0w I've not really read/noticed and he seems to be getting some heat from people. Probably not going to read further into him until later in the day at least. | ||
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On May 21 2014 19:59 Xatalos wrote: I think geript is very likely town and this post is a good example. It's weird that marv would vote me for little to no reason (claiming it's "good enough" lol) and then defend Slam like this. marv: how is this post by geript terrible? (To be clear: marv probably isn't a good D1 lynch, since as scum he's forced to maintain some level of activity and leave behind clues about his scummates - and if he's town he's obviously too valuable to lose to a lynch - but I'd say I'm not getting any townie feeling from marv yet and so I'm slightly leaning scum) Marv I don't think would cockblock on a null read like this if he were town Yes, I obviously would if he was pursuing it in a very irritating way More likely he'd ignore me and let me develop it. He wasn't developing the read, he was ranting at town to vote for confirmed scum. Not the same. Not a 100% on that but his push on Xat early was for pretty awful reasoning. The reasoning was fine, you made multiple posts on the non-topic of day 1 lynches being decided by connection voting and stuff. There's a reason I didn't vote for you the *first* time you made such a post, but after about the 3rd time you reiterated the same fluffy crap. Go check your own filter and when I voted for you. Go on. Like if Marv were town and has that "it's enough for now" line, he'd be far more willing to entertain a good outside lynch. Totally baseless Plus, he has done nothing to make me think he's either town or scum, which means he cares about how he comes across which is far more likely to be mafia If I cared about how I looked, I'd be looking a lot better than how I do now, I have many, many scumgames and I am never viewed as suspicious early on in any of them... because I pay attention to how I come across! The entire point he's trying to make is completely self-defeating... So yes, basically the entire post is wrong or bad in some way. | ||
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On May 21 2014 20:20 Xatalos wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini Careful now, you're voting for a lynch I said I'd support! Probably a mislynch. | ||
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On May 21 2014 20:29 Xatalos wrote: Sorry marv. I've activated my serious mode. Victory is all that matters. Funnily enough I agree. Now read this post On May 21 2014 20:20 Koshi wrote: marv is coolio. I don't see anything scummy about his posts. Could he do more? Yes. Should he do more? No. Why not? Why would he? Exactly. and think about how it might relate. I don't particularly want to see you posting about it, more a behind-the-scenes thought thing, but maybe you'll be able to figure something out. If not, we can talk about it sometime in the future. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=56#1117 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=57#1123 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=57#1131 | ||
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I'm not speaking to you anymore, Xatalos, because you've basically shown that you're not capable of reading the thread and digesting it in any way. On May 21 2014 17:40 bkqyrldp wrote: I'm not going to, because it not only invalidates the purpose of signing up as a smurf, but it feels also feels cheap to reveal your identity based on your alignment. That is, players are more likely to do that as town than as mafia. | ||
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On May 21 2014 21:57 Tehpoofter wrote: @Marv can you explain a bit more about what you think on Thrawn? I have a hard time reading his normally small fitler. Koshi just sheeping me even on my townreads you see. There's nothing else I can say about thrawn other than what I've said. He's not done much alignment indicative except I liked what he pointed out about ridoky's post. That's it. Wait and see | ||
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MZ is right also that going after thrawn is going after what looks like easy lynchbait. I should probably look at her newbie game at some point. It could be just that is how she plays, because all her suspicions look to be fairly straightforward and somewhat superficial, but the superficiality could be an indicator of newness rather than scumminess. | ||
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The level of confidence he later uses to say that we are scum for questioning him on his entering post is also way off. Something you want to tell us cupcake? | ||
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So is this a different head to the one that made the initial terrible post? | ||
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On May 22 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote: Nohomo | ||
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On May 22 2014 00:44 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, here's my new reads/changed reads: I'm not sure of the tambo push, I originally read tambo as town, but I'm not sure right now. BKQ I don't like. Marv I like. Xat is my top town atm. Steve I like. Cav I don't like. As always, ask me to explain if needed. Why don't you just explain everything? Why wouldn't you? | ||
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On May 22 2014 00:48 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Too big of a game. Too many people talking, this is like triple of what I'm used to. Information overload. I mean the reads you just gave. The reads on their own are meaningless, they don't help anyone else either form an opinion on those you are commenting on, or you. So you need to explain why you have these reads so people can do both. You obviously must/should have reasons for these particular ones or you wouldn't have written them in the first place. Do eeeeet pretty pls. | ||
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On May 22 2014 01:01 Holyflare wrote: btw i think wave and austin are the people i feel most "off" about, moreso wave than austin though, wave hadn't really done anything but was around the entire time and only after talking about nonsense did he ask questions that I/the thread had already answered Should be the other way round imo, all you're describing with Wave is bad or lazy play, which a Wavemafia would probably try harder to avoid. | ||
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Because mafia do not need to go to the toilet You'd know this if you've ever rolled mafia. Have you been to the toilet this game? ... :x | ||
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You can poop reads into the thread Tell someone they have a shit read You can piss towniness all over the thread | ||
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On May 22 2014 02:36 Blazinghand wrote: I don't care if I look scummy, what matters is that 1) Odin is statistically speaking our best lynch, since he was RNGed 2) Odin also had an objectively scummy thread entrance (omgus) and a super scummy follow-up (as in, he hasn't pushed his read on me even a tiny bit) So, I don't care what you think of me. I'm a vet, I'm not getting lynched today. At one point, the Odin lynched was tied for the lead, I can do this. I'll make this happen. And afterwards, if you're town, you'll thank me. lol Challenge accepted ##Unvote ##Vote: BlazingHand | ||
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These are main, "good" characters in mafia games on TL that have actually been mafia. | ||
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Probably just trying to make it sound like a joke now you got totes caught out. | ||
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On May 22 2014 03:35 Steveling wrote: Koshi, HF, Marvel you were right here 10mins ago. Thoughs on recent turn of events? I went to work out my sexy bum and abs. These things don't maintain themselves you know. | ||
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People we are not going to lynch today even though for various reasons they are either annoying or people want to lynch them: Steveling - shit-tonne of posting is almost always town (hai HF). Very similar to his townplay last game. Less similar to his scumplay in Cell. We are not policying him to raise the IQ of the game or stop spamming or anything, and there's no point discussing it because it will never happen. So let's not. geript - not sure he's been mentioned seriously but we aren't anyway. BH - can claim terribly as either alignment but for now we're not going to risk a potentially powerful blue role, so as much as you want to lynch him, let's just not, eh? I've seen him play this retardedly too many times as town just to risk it for a biscuit when there must be other options around. Holyflare's list is at least not a bad starting point to get some discussion going (with some names that he crossed out). Or random questions: How do you feel about lynching layabout? Do excuses about not posting have to be scummy? What about the frequency of them, or other content that went along with them? Was mtamburini's massive post townie or not? What was it trying to achieve? What do people make of the meta difference pointed out by Foolishness? Is Alakaslam's seriousness a scumtell? Do people believe in geript's case on him? If not, why not? Is bsfskdfs's aggression towards me townie? (beyond the original post) Are his other contributions up to scratch? Is he moving town forwards? What was kitaman trying to achieve by pointing out 'heroes' can come from mafia but then saying we shouldn't risk lynching BH today? Is that logical? Does it even mean anything? Like seriously, take your pick on anything, talk about yell0w or ritoky or anything above or anyone else. But the last few pages (ok, all the pages :D) have been icky. And yes I'm aware I'm not answering any of the questions I've just posed. Tough titties. | ||
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On May 22 2014 05:49 bkqyrldp wrote: I like this post. I'd like to hear more from laya. I'm curious what you like about it? As far as I see it, this post says this: First para: She is not suspicious Second para: She is suspicious Third para: This is my conclusion (she is suspicious and not suspicious) Fourth para: Shoot austin who has barely spam posted but posted 2 pictures. I actually think the post is terrible for paras 1-3, because it basically just says yes and no without actually coming to a conclusion himself on tamb's alignment. | ||
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On May 22 2014 05:54 bkqyrldp wrote: I actually like the first paragraph more. But it shows someone trying to figure out the game. 2nd para I disagree with, but still shows a natural thought process. I'm not saying laya is town for sure but I would like to hear more from him before I decide if I want to lynch him. Now can you tell me about the 3 I asked you about? It doesn't show that at all, it shows someone totally unwilling to take a stance and using a lot of words to avoid doing so. I think I already mentioned a couple times I found austin suspicious. ritoky I've had to recheck, his first read posts was extremely weird, his 2nd post not so bad, but that's been everything, which by default makes him somewhat suspicious. I don't see jampi as the type of player who would be aggressive like that as mafia, but this is just a random judgement call that may be wrong. Also I don't really want to lynch him because I know he quit TL Mafia because it was a big pile of poo | ||
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On May 22 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote: i think hapa is scumm because the below plus his case on valeris (or w/e) look like scum cases. Very surface level, generic, uncanny familiarity with what scum do. Ok, that's kind of interesting and not completely what I was expecting I think Hapa is capable of such cases as town though I'm reasonably wary of Hapa because although his posts mostly look ok, the *impetus* that I'd expect from a townHapa isn't quite there. Couple reasons a) he is mafia b) he is town and 1) he hasn't played in a long time 2) he doesn't know hardly any of the players 3) the thread is a clusterfuck and it's hard to have impetus in such a thread tbd! | ||
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On May 22 2014 06:16 bkqyrldp wrote: Marv, do you think that mafia in this game is going to avoid taking stances in most subjects? Unless the person being talked about is coincidently on his team, mafia in this game can contribute normally like a towny does. I believe a better way to find mafia is catching them when they fabricate a stance or feign some behavior to coast by. that's what mafia do, buddy. It's not a conscious decision. | ||
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So I'm not gonna spend too much time thinking about it right now, and see what he does next. | ||
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On May 22 2014 06:41 austinmcc wrote: Alright now gogo ritoky. I kinda wanted to tell you to go away, but I read his posts and also your case a couple times. I am weak I guess he could be mafia? Originally I was ready to be convinced by your meta but then I wasn't. While there's more drive I guess in his newbie game, that could easily come from the fact it's a small newbie game compared to a large game full of aggressive people and spammers with a billion pages. He has this odd obsession with bunnies... I don't really know what to make of it. I liked his justification for his MZ read which in the original post looked really odd. If he bullshitted that as a reason for MZ to be his top town, that's a pretty neat piece of bullshit. On May 21 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote: I liked Meapak's poking of bunnies on very good points. I also like how he called out jampidampi for regarding having people that you would never lynch on day 1. I thought it was an offhand comment that stood out to me when I read the thread and the only person who I noticed who also pinged it was Meapak. The net of it is, I don't see why I'd lynch this guy right now ahead of layabout who is old enough and experienced enough to know better, and has fewer/no redeeming qualities whatsoever. | ||
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layabout's threadcop posts are the opposite of townie, he'll make them as both alignments, but more so as mafia I believe. And it's the fact that the content outside these posts is so irredeemingly poor that's the real issue (both none and bad are apposite descriptions). For some reason this kinda reminds me of long ago in LIX on Day 1 when you were pushing Stutters really hard and I was pushing prplhz. Your points were valid enough, but meh. On the bright side, you were town that game  | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:03 Hapahauli wrote: I'll get to layabout in a bit, but I'm curious what you think of Koshi? Koshi's my secret sex-buddy, he cool. | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:16 Hapahauli wrote: Can you respond to austin's case on you? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=78#1554 He talked about MZ? Where? Also, surely you can understand just how terrible this post is >> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896 He has 3 posts in his filter. I dare you to find it! | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:20 Hapahauli wrote: But I'm not advocating lynching ritoky over layabout. I'm advocating lynching Tambo over layabout >> You're probably thinking one of my posts was talking to you, when I was talking to austin about ritoky? | ||
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On May 22 2014 07:32 WaveofShadow wrote: This would be such an amazing game to be scum. Somebody besides Austin give me something to do mebbe? I dunno I feel like a dumb American watching a game of cricket right now. I literally made a post with a whole bunch of semi-interesting questions for you to answer. Or layabout, ritoky, mtamb. Whatever. Stop being poo. | ||
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On May 22 2014 08:00 Cavalinho wrote: I'm boggled by the fact that marv said having a huge filter is good for town. It's not when there's nothing there but useless garbage that clogs up the thread and doesn't accomplish anything. Also not what I said, Cav. l2read, kiddo. | ||
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On May 22 2014 18:21 ritoky wrote: Overall I like a lot of what you have said so far in the game, but I have one question for you. You are voting on layabout currently. And from my reading of your posts it is for being a shitter who is shitting up the thread. So my question for you is: am I wrong about your reason? Cuz if not, it seems like you should be pushing equally as hard on a lot of other people, geript being one of them. If you're going to use that as your scum detector I feel like it should be applied universally; and it's strange that it isn't. But again, I might have not read your reasoning right. yes, you're totally misreading my reasons for lynching layabout. | ||
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In brief: 1. no content besides complaining about spam 2. post on ninjabunnies provided a lot of words with no proper opinion in it (looks scum, looks town, here's my opinion while failing to provide an opinion) 3. see 1 I'm not sure what I make of layabout in the posts I've read/am reading since. He maybe looks a bit better but meeeeeh. Not a lot. Considering switching over to tamburini but haven't really decided yet. Might stick with it. | ||
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layabout still dodgy tambo looks worse with the video mafia stuff, and still hasn't answered Hapa's main point about the case + yellow being town last game. ##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini Decided this is a great lynch because it tests out both Hapa's and Fool's alignments. If tambo is town it could just be an honest mistake, but if tambo is mafia that's a massive bonus. Best reason for lynching ever. I seem to think yellow should have posted more by now too other ppl mentioned, blueyd is kinda meh. will probably look into him at some point today. long game. | ||
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On May 22 2014 18:46 ritoky wrote: but if you post 10x in a thread and all of it is shit, that's a 100% shit rate, which makes you a shitter in my mind at least. guess it's more of a % useful material thing for me. Since it seems like there is only 3 of us here, let's have a bit of a chat. @Marv/geript I am a little bit hung up on an odd interaction in the early game, that was part of the original reads I gave when I called MZ my top town. It was when he noticed Jampidampi supporting the people he would never lynch on day 1. I was actually a bit wrong on that when I went back and looked at it again. 27ninjabunnies was the one who said it, and she actually said "there is no way I would lynch meapak this game". Which meapak felt was very strange and then jampidampi hopped in to defend bunnies against that and a couple other accusations headed her way at the time. What do you think of that interaction, because to me it seems very odd, or if you don't particularly think anything of it what do you think about those 3 people? What about it do you find odd in particular? | ||
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I'm not voting you anymore. Let's cuddle. | ||
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On May 22 2014 21:26 Ange777 wrote: Blazinghand (0): Even the hosts understand how pointless it is trying to lynch BH today. | ||
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On May 22 2014 21:39 Yell0w wrote: I'm curious why Hapa spent so much time defending steve when he's not going to get lynched anyways. And Marv, are you saying we should lynch you tomorrow if we lynch tamburini today and she flips town? Where on earth did you get that from? O.o | ||
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On May 22 2014 22:08 kitaman27 wrote: My fault for not picking up "burini" when looking for any other mention between those two points. I admit it makes the change is opinion less of a concern. You mentioned you were going to look at blue at some point. Where do you stand currently? That point has not arrived :D So I'm kinda shuffling my feet around like a morose clown. | ||
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Alright, I did already. Do you have any other reasons to lynch him other than your point that isn't really a point? He seems relatively blunt, straightforward and direct to me. What say you? | ||
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On May 22 2014 22:35 kitaman27 wrote: Having just lynched poofter as mafia in the other game, are you concerned at all about him in this one? no, as I said earlier in the game, poofter is very unlikely to be mafia here. | ||
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On May 22 2014 23:00 bkqyrldp wrote: WoS's whole filter is completely useless, even though it's quite lengthy. that's quite characteristic for him on day 1. I used to try to lynch him for it too. | ||
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On May 22 2014 23:55 bkqyrldp wrote: So it doesn't concern at all how easily this lynch is going? Usually you have been very vary of lack of resistance. If he is mafia, do you think his teammates have been yelling at him to post more and he has just chosen to ignore the requests? There's plenty of kickback, and the lynch is being supported/proposed by two of the more influential players (hapa,fool) and lazily supported by a 3rd (marv). It's not surprising the lynch would garner quite a lot of support. Plus "you need to respond to this case that someone else tried to lynch a townie with last game" is still really bad and remains unanswered. | ||
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On May 23 2014 01:24 OnceKing wrote: if i'm vanilla then why would you pick me lol why not poof, you said he's had the holy trifecta of things scum say but you don't seem to be investigating that too much could lynch this guy ^ | ||
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On May 23 2014 01:32 Hapahauli wrote: Also marv, what do you make of tambo, and talk to me specifically about OnceKing (and anyone else you'd consider lynching). I have to leave on a roadtrip in an hour, so unfortunately I'm not blessed with much time today. I'm kinda trusting what you're saying about tambo right now. my time is kinda limited this evening as well :/ Onceking just because of what kita said, a filter of a bunch of short posts and nothing, not particularly sure I like the "why me, why not this guy" which is why I said I could lynch him. | ||
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On May 23 2014 01:31 Hapahauli wrote: He/she (I DON'T FREGGIN KNOW) has reasonable explanations for the things I found him/her (GODDAMNIT) suspicious about. This recent burst of posting also seems pretty direct and open, and seems more townie given that tambo is a newer forum player. All and all, I don't my case is very valid given tambo's recent replies. At best tambo's null. Namely this tbh | ||
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On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote: This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... Hmm. Yes, 1/20 is not a good hit-rate. | ||
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On May 23 2014 02:38 kitaman27 wrote: It's kinda funny how my opposition to the BH rng argument has prevented me from actually considering that Odin could be mafia on principle. You're not alone | ||
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On May 23 2014 02:54 bkqyrldp wrote: We are 2 people you would be glad to sheep. I thought we were pretty obvious already, but if not I prefer to keep it a secret to not ruin the fun. And also night is comming soon so there is also that =P you're sandroba aren't you | ||
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On May 23 2014 03:01 bkqyrldp wrote: How is that Marv wasn't worried about the lack of resistance to the lynch due to "influential" townies supporting the lynch and then after the fairly lackluster return by Tamburini instead of analyzing the posts himself, he decides to sheep Hapa's very brief thoughts on them (all Hapa said was that Tamburini seemed pretty direct and open)? Apparently he doesn't even consider Tamburini misspeaking/lying worth commenting either, even when I directly asked him about it. He went from being seemingly confident to not caring enough to even form his own opinion. This could be Marv just being very unconfident in his reads, but it looks very suspicious to me. Laziness if you're stupid enough to think that i'd be happy to appear that lazy as mafia, then you are stupid circular argument ftw | ||
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On May 23 2014 03:11 Koshi wrote: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe BH isn't crazy. no, he's definitely crazy. however, crazy people can be right also. | ||
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On May 23 2014 03:17 bkqyrldp wrote: BH I'll conceed that your odin case is actually quite good. I'm glad you posted something long that I actually cared to read instead of ignoring all your post like I was previously doing. I'll gladly lynch any of mtambu, odin or wos today. if you vote odin and i vote odin, will it make you feel better? | ||
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On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I recommend lynching Val. Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. your detailed reasoning it overwhelms with its persuasiveness | ||
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On May 23 2014 03:50 Blazinghand wrote: wow fuckin mtamb shape up or get out. I'll lynch you to shut you up and lynch odin tomorrow if that's what it takes. don't believe I can't do it, either ^ | ||
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On May 23 2014 04:31 Cavalinho wrote: I'm getting the feeling that Odin is actually just afk and that we probably shouldn't be voting him. >.> best to lynch someone when they're not around, then you don't feel like you may have made a mistake when they argue. | ||
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On May 23 2014 04:37 austinmcc wrote: HEY HEY HEY I'm not at all interested in smurfhydra's question to you. It doesn't matter, it's completely uninteresting, and I think it would be best if you don't look at mtam's actual comments and talk about them. oh phew. that's a relief. | ||
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On May 23 2014 04:47 austinmcc wrote: mtam afks a bunch, plays video mafia instead of this, comes back to being lynched, responds by posting some stuff that doesn't entirely make sense, then going to play LoL instead of ... catching up / more defending / anything. Doesn't want to assign anyone back to me. Is playful with posts but in a deliberately anti-town way, despite having no real reason to be glib/smug/anything. Still a perfectly legitimate lynch and chooses to taunt in a naughty naughty way, unlike the newbie games where he wants to be town leader and whatnot. No bueno. i assume there's a lot of kp floating around, and some should make its way tambo's way. | ||
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On May 23 2014 04:53 austinmcc wrote: Mine was more colorful. Marv, can you give me the cliff notes on how to read hapa? i'll be happy to talk about it in more detail before d2 if you poke me again. Because it's essentially "do his posts feel awful" I feel like Hapa has looked kinda better since the post I made questioning his impetus | ||
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On May 23 2014 04:54 kitaman27 wrote: For someone with such a long filter, geript has been suspiciously absent from the relevant lynch discussion and his vote remains on the blue claim. geript gonna geript, kita. | ||
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On May 23 2014 04:56 austinmcc wrote: Alrighty. Can we schedule this for N1 instead? given we are at the end of d1 and i said before d2, n1 seems like a good place..... :p | ||
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On May 23 2014 06:01 mtamburini wrote: Was not sure if there was an option to NL or not so I threw my vote. Read into that as you want. 1. look into wagons, make vote 2. play lol, throw vote hmmmm. | ||
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On May 23 2014 06:01 austinmcc wrote: hapahapa? Not really in the frame of mind, would have to look at hapa's posts etc to try and reference it. It was ages ago now but Duel Mafia (it wasn't called that, can't remember the name) by HiroPro was the last time I remember playing with Hapa mafia, and the summary I made near the end of my filter (i died N0) were the reasons I found him scummy if you want to search it out. It's not that illuminating iirc though, kinda "feels" | ||
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On May 23 2014 06:14 kushm4sta wrote: but as scum he could do nothing and be fine. he even said how easy it would be to be scum this game. So if he's scum, and it's easy to be scum, there would be no reason for him to replace. Wave doesn't think like that though. | ||
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On May 23 2014 08:08 Holyflare wrote: part 1, they aren't casually joking that odin is scum at all, it's teasing the fact that because bh played so shit all game with his rng and his rng was on odin by principle they can't be looking at odin part 2 he never says bh's post was bad at all so don't use the word explicitly says when someone doesn't explicitly say anything, he says bh is crazy but crazy can sometimes be right which is the opposite of what you are saying part 3 you honestly think that it's worth pointing out that marv disliked sqrts reasoning for a val lynch??? sqrt gave no reason whatsoever part 4 tamburini was around I wasn't going to bother because i mainly found steve's bit on me totally hilarious, but yes, this would be the correction to absolutely everything that was wrong in his narrative, lol | ||
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On May 23 2014 10:38 Steveling wrote: Can you explain what part of his case you found so sheep'able? Probably not. | ||
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On May 23 2014 11:30 Steveling wrote: I'm not even sure if bh and marv are playing this game or just messing around. A bit of both. Which means I'm pretty obviously not mafia because I don't enjoy myself enough as mafia to mess around. I can't give a convincing argument that I'm not another faction though (am not, superhomopinkyswear promise). | ||
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On May 23 2014 19:25 geript wrote: Marv do you agree with Hapa's BH read ? I'm not sure I should say because you'll probably shout at me and it'll be really boring | ||
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On May 24 2014 03:08 Steveling wrote: Letting aside the douche mode, it's also detrimental to the game's progression. Take for example my last exchange with marv. I'm obviously right but all marv says is "no im a vet so im right". And I wouldn't care about this if there weren't a bunch of gullible dudes that will actually side with him. BH's read on Odin case in point. You are only as good as your filters. And so far bh and marv are couple of the worst players in this game. "letting aside the douche mode" "but i'm totes right lol" nice job. | ||
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On May 24 2014 03:25 Hapahauli wrote: I'm going to use the above votecount to structure my thoughts. By looking at the votes, we can get a better idea about the motivations of certain players, and it can help identify certain mafia tells that might be present in a multi-faction game. I'm dividing posters into 3 categories:
People off of the main wagons: There's a good chance that certain mafia/faction members will want to "blend-in" and "hide", and one very instinctual way of doing that is to avoid the main course of discussion, take "non-controversial" stances, and avoid contributing by pursuing/voting someone who is not being talked about and has very little chance of getting lynched. In this category of players, we have: mtamburini rikoty geript Cephiro Tehpoofter kitaman sqrtofneg1 WaveofShadow I'm going to start with Mafia Reads, move to Null Reads, and then to Townies: Mtamburini + Show Spoiler + Mtamburini's vote looks extremely bad by all accounts. On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote: I Vote:: tehpoofter why? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar Tehpoofter had virtually no chance of getting lynched yesterday, and this is the definition of a wasted vote by all accounts. His reasoning for placing his vote where it was is also pretty suspect: why? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote: I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null. ... On May 23 2014 04:59 mtamburini wrote: tehpoofter uses sarcasm as either allignment but you can usually tell by the tone of his sarcasm what allignement he is. From his initial posts Im reading the sarcasm as more scummy then towny All of this is really strange. The first two quotes can be barely considered reads. The 3rd quote is extremely manufactured and makes very little sense - tambo had never mentioned tehpoofters "sarcasm" all game, and then it shows up in a very mystical and unexplained read (what is the difference between town/mafia sarcasm?). Quote #2 is additionally strange - he voted a read (tehpoofter) that he felt was moving from Scummy to Null. Not only is this really weak, but he did so over Bunnies, who he's been seemingly tunneling most of the game, and has explicitly called her a strong scum-read in earlier posts. His rationale for not voting Bunnies is weak and makes little sense: On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote: ... Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. ... To understand why this makes so little sense, read this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896 ...then read page 3 of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?user=mtamburini&page=3 He doesn't vote a scumread because he believes that scumread could be town, but then votes tehpoofter (his "scummy moving to null" read) because... man I don't even know. sqrtofneg1 + Show Spoiler + His deadline behavior is pretty strange. After he comes back a couple of hours before lynch deadline, he quickly establishes a town-read on Odin... On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie. Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I recommend lynching Val. Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. It's a very poorly explained town-read. His point about "Odin not trying to get out of the lynch" doesn't make much sense either, since Odin had stated earlier he'd be gone until the deadline. Futhermore, Odin was under very little pressure at the time he said that. It seems more like he's trying to justify not voting for Odin as opposed to being sincere with his read. Sqrt then pops down a very "clean" vote on Valenius... On May 23 2014 03:12 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, I've played games with both tambo and val, and here's what I've got so far. Valenius's filter from NMM LIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Valenius&view=all He was vanilla town. He was much more active in scumhunting, he was much more direct, he was different. Tambo's filter from NMM LV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=mtamburini He was vanilla town. The filter is a bit more strange because he claimed vig, but it's more accurate of his play than when he was cop imo. I've concluded that Valenius has been acting more strange, in comparison, rather than Tambo. ##Unvote ##Vote: Valenius ... then POOF! He's gone for the last two hours of shenanigans! Despite having a town read on Odin, he never seems to try and act on it to prevent it. He disappears... then instantly reappears at lynch deadline! This is a really suspicious 2 hours of absence. Another *really* odd thing about his filter is how many town reads he gives out over the course of the game. He gives them out like candy, is seemingly confident in a lot of them, and... yeah. I'm not sure if this is a mafia tell in this particular setup, but it's something that definetely caught my eye on a readthrough. Cephiro + Show Spoiler + Given that Cephiro was AFK for the last half of the day, it's hard for me to get an accurate read on him. However the first half of his day 1 play seems like it would come from some sort of faction. I won't talk much about the contents of his big case. What's more important is that he didn't talk about anything other than his case on bunnies at all. This lines up with the idea of a faction wanting to "hunt" for players, but not necessarily interested in contributing to town discussion. Again, hard to make a complete read on him due to him being AFK for a while, but his play objectively fits pretty well with how I'd think a faction member hunting other faction members would approach this game: find a target, push him/her, and really not contribute to town discussion otherwise. Ritoky + Show Spoiler + Hard to say. His play is pretty short and straightforward. He believed layabout was scum, voted him, and then had to step out: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote: Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline. For me it's between WOS and layabout. WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says. Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling. Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout Nothing in his filter that screams his alignment one way or the other. WaveofShadow + Show Spoiler + Well he replaced out. This makes a lot of his lack of interest and activity in the latter half of the game pretty explainable. I wasn't altogether please with his play (especially his stuff on Holyflare), but it's better not to make judgements about an incomplete filter and let his replacement talk some. Geript I believe to be town. Geript is extremely active and emotional this game. His tunnels seem very genuine, and while he ended up on BlazingHand, he definitely was very involved in the chaos and discussion of the day. He's drawn a ton of attention to himself, and really isn't someone I'm concerned about. Tehpoofter I'm less sure about, but I think he's town. He's playing extraordinarily different from his scum-game in You Only Shoot Once, and was fairly active/involved early on. 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On May 24 2014 04:07 austinmcc wrote: I am waiting on a thing xat but i have some stuff prepped that I was waiting for deadline. However the MOST IMPORTANT thing I was gonna post is that I think we should stop referring to one of the players as "marv", and instead refer to him as "that elderly heterosexual peruvian man." This will perhaps make the game somewhat strange/interesting, and if he is town he will be driven to play, rather than do jack all. However, if this strategem does NOT make that elderly heterosexual peruvian man post and whatnot, it will still be slightly more than mildly amusing. Hapa, anywhere near done with the next bit of analysis? ok i wondered why you called me that, now I found out. lol austin. | ||
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On May 24 2014 04:17 Cavalinho wrote: Kush is lurking just like he did in Yuma. He isn't the aggressive over-the-top town kush that I've played with before. Hopefully medics save Foolishness so he posts his case and then we lynch him. The hydra will elaborate better on kush than I ever could. Steveling is probably town, albeit his opening was really scummy. His vote analysis was enough to warrant calling him town. Mtam is getting shot tonight so I'm not worried about him at all. Marv's comment on pushing Odin was mega-scummy imo. Pushing people just because they can't defend themselves is bad for obvious reasons, and as one of the "vets" you think he would've known that. He was kind of laid back for most of day 1 so idk, I'll try reading into him later. Do people in this game have some kind of problem reading sarcasm/jokes? Jesus. | ||
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On May 24 2014 05:33 Blazinghand wrote: I know it's a no-no to reference one's own meta due to wifom reasons, but generally the kind of case and push I did on OdinofPergo is "classic town Blazinghand". If I were playing with me and saw me do that, I'd generally consider me to be almost certainly town. I won't ask you to take my word on it, though. I do this all the time. It's how I roll. Sometimes I catch scum, sometimes I mislynch town, but that D1 was a fairly typical Blazinghand D1. My profile has a list of games I've played in (though it needs to be updated). Check out my play in Mario Mini Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/381440-mario-mini-mafia I gotta say I vouch for this. Also BH has made me actually giggle this game, when there are usually 3 options: 1. BH is irritating, he is mafia 2. BH is irritating, he is town 3. BH is amusing, he is town I don't remember an instance of 4. BH is amusing, he is mafia ever happening before he could be some non-mafia, non-town faction but i really don't think he's mafia. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:01 austinmcc wrote: I think that we don't know when LYLO is, we don't know win conditions, we don't know what the actual teams are (kita seemed to think there were other villians, could all the elements be one faction? do evil people use elements?), we don't know diddly squat except that we should lynch some scummy brosephs. Hapa I will look at yellow. Please keep posting. Elderly heterosexual peruvian man, besides you being generally more active, can you talk about this?Inactive unknown maybehydra smurf maybe gets killed for reads, maybe gets killed because someone thinks it's a strong town hydra. Foolishness and WoS, you guys should...play the game. What would you like me to say about it? I had a strong sandroba-read on one of the heads. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:21 austinmcc wrote: DON'T KNOW. Would he only hydra with other Pantheon people? Any of his other posts give you other specific feels? ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF TOWN-SANDROBA THAT YOU WOULD MURDER HIM IN COLD BLOOD OR WHATEVER ELEMENT OF BLOOD HIS KILL WAS? sandroba usually hydras with syllogism, occasionally with toad the "=P" is a sandroba thing, then the "i thought we were pretty obvious already", then the "comming", then the way that the slot in general addressed me (no fear or deference or anything) and it all became quite obvious and yes, if I had a strong good player read on the hydra, I would certainly announce to the thread that I thought the hydra was a strong player(s) just to make sure I looked extra suspicious when I killed them. It all makes sense to me now! | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:29 Steveling wrote: WHAT! You can be recruited? What does that mean? From town you become scum? It would usually be to some 3rd party faction. Like a cell or something. | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:32 Hapahauli wrote: BH - if that's all the information you have and/or can reveal, there's not much sense in speculating about it. Better just to talk about lynching mafia 'n whatnot. Also could you please tell austin that "lazy scum marv" means "wants to try but finds it hard to find the right things to talk about even though he wants to give it a good go" rather than "blatantly giving no fucks" | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:41 Blazinghand wrote: As I said, the only joke in this thread is you're posting. *your | ||
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On May 24 2014 06:45 Hapahauli wrote: I love you marvelbabe, but you are not confirmed town. I've heard very little of your preferred lynch targets. Except for Tamb, but everyone kinda wants to do that. I said to each other. pls read | ||
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On May 24 2014 07:21 Steveling wrote: Which present us with a dilemma. We know BH is Isaac, we know he can be controlled. Do we lynch him before they use his power? pretty impressive case of cutting your nose off to spite your face right there. | ||
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On May 24 2014 08:04 Steveling wrote: Btw something interesting happened. I had setup a trap for Koshi. In my analysis' posts last night I mentioned about him I implied that he posted this towards BH right after he posted his case. But koshi was just answering to bkq, the guy that died tonight. I wanted to see if he rly read the thread and cared because I know that as scum he doesn't. He didn't even mention it, so that shows he was scum, well that's not news now since he flipped but anyway that was my trap. Now comes the interesting part. I posted analysis on 11 people last night. The people with scummy looking bote switches to Odin. HolyFlare hard defended only one of them, marv. He said that he only defended him because there were obvious wrong points in my analysis. So the obvious question is, how come you didn't catch that rly obvious trap post about koshi, HF? Why did you not read my other cases and only focused on marv? Mby because you rly only cared about your team mate marv? Combine this with his "ima shoot burini" and his disappearance after the flips and I think we are left facing a scum. you severely underestimate my sexual magnetism also britbros4life | ||
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On May 24 2014 08:53 kushm4sta wrote: in all fairness marv, if i was mafia i could be legitimately scum hunting and have scum reads. so you cant really read my alignment based on that. ha. do you want me to vote you then, or do you want me to potentially look somewhere else? | ||
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On May 24 2014 08:55 mattisfoolish wrote: Can someone tell me why Ritoky is mafia? filter layabout is a decent bet | ||
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you said "what is the case on ritoky" i said "look at layabout's filter (it has a lot of ritoky stuff)" what's the confusion? | ||
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On May 24 2014 09:14 Cavalinho wrote: Ugh. We can only kill one person at a time guys. If there's a vigilante out there, shoot BlueyD after the lynch. we're 4 hours into the dayphase? hello? | ||
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On May 24 2014 09:18 Cavalinho wrote: I don't understand what the issue is here. Do you want neither of these players dead at this point? why are you advocating shooting someone after the lynch when they could actually be the lynch? nothing is decided yet and it's so early, it's such an odd thing to suggest | ||
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On May 24 2014 09:19 mattisfoolish wrote: There isn't any, I understood what you meant the first time and I went and looked. I'm wondering why you're questioning layabout's alignment. This tells me either: 1) You think that Ritoky is town and Layabout is mafia. (If this is the case and you've said so I apologize for not catching it). 2) You know something the rest of us don't and are pushing an agenda. And before you deny that you're not questioning layabout: no, that's me saying layabout's alignment is a different matter to the fact that layabout talked a lot about ritoky, I was literally passing no judgement whatsoever at that juncture | ||
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On May 24 2014 09:27 Cavalinho wrote: I don't care about either of those players, tbh. Everybody else seems to be content grilling them so nothing I say will change anything, because nobody's really listening to me anyway. Marv just feels off. I don't really like his explanation for his goading on the Odin wagon. I feel like he's been kinda sitting out of the spotlight and just poking holes in things rather than solving the game. It's hard for me to make a case on Marv off the top of my head, so give me some time before I can fully elaborate. My defence: I never gave an explanation for goading on the odin wagon and I'm blatantly not trying to solve the game atm anything else? | ||
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it was a playful self-dig without being too flashy about it, that's all. | ||
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Well the net of it is, you're complaining about people not having an opinion on kush, while sidestepping having one yourself. If you don't think the case is that great, you should have reasons not to lynch him, or are you just randomly bitching at people joining a wagon when you don't have a proper opinion on the player in question? | ||
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On May 25 2014 00:59 Yell0w wrote: But I'm not complaining at them because they don't have an opinion, I'm "bitching" because, while not having an opinion on the person, they voted against him. I don't think the case is that great, that's my reason not to lynch him, I think we have better candidates. Alright. Does that affect your opinion on Foolish if you think he's pushing a not-so-good case on Day 2? | ||
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On May 25 2014 03:09 austinmcc wrote: Given that the other hydra was town and seemed to believe he should be trusted, as well as the bit from elderly peruvian man about how one head was likely sand (and iirc, some analysis of a specific wording that pointed towards americas or maybe sand in brazil), do you think that in a 5 faction game, a Foolishness hydra and a Sandroba hydra both go townside for balance? ShiaoPi doesn't seem like the balancing sort. Don't really think trying to discern anything from "balance" is the right way forwards. | ||
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Honestly was pretty happy giving him a blanket pass on day 1 to do nothing, but now... meh. I don't even know why I'm saying this because I feel at this point a vote on him is like a random stab in the dark because although it sucks, I could see him doing it as town still. It's possible he's just doing a different version of what I'm doing, mine just involves more posting. | ||
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1) kush generally gives zero fucks 2) yet as town he'll make reads and stuff (despite giving (or looking like he gives) zero fucks) in short I don't think giving zero fucks and making reads are mutually exclusive, which is what you're getting at i think? | ||
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On May 25 2014 05:06 mattisfoolish wrote: Oh also, who is this sandroba hydra? bfdgfdgdfgdfg. he dead. | ||
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On May 23 2014 05:34 MysteryMeat1 wrote: sorry for not voting, super face palm moment, thought deadline was at 3pm pst... this guy. this guy is mafia or he sucks severely. kush's efforts put this guy to shame. And when that's the case you know something's not right. | ||
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On May 21 2014 13:34 Cephiro wrote: General question to the players in the game: 1) Is my play more likely to come from town or scum? 2) Reasoning for the above. Answer these if you'd like to help me get a read on you. Play the game if you'd like us to get a read on you, maybe? | ||
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and everyone knows that the lynch is kinda totally coinflippy. but the key is not to say that, you just make the wagon with the strong intention to lynch, even though most of town is in on the secret that it's a "pls play" wagon. you just don't say it. Although now that I've said this, I'm totes serious about lynching that lazy motherfucker. | ||
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On May 25 2014 05:38 austinmcc wrote: If he doesn't show up with anything good, he's still coin flippy, and it's more useful to lynch someone else. YOU HAVE A SEVERE LACK OF IMAGINATION | ||
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On May 25 2014 07:54 austinmcc wrote: That was his last post. I'll go check some past games. The way that he goes about getting onto mtam, then sitting on mtam, then calling everyone bad for the OOP lynch, and just continuing to push only mtam is worrying to me. Not 100% mafia, but he's just found a dude to sit on, who is kinda scummy, and will just perch there and call him scummy for a while. In the narrative where jampi is mafia, he's a MAJOR PERCHER. TOP 10 PERCHER FINLAND. I dunno, if he REALLY thinks everyone is bad for not lynching mtam and if he REALLY wants mtam to be the lynch today, doesn't he...not say this?Like shouldn't he be swinging from the trees and playing cowbell and going door to door handing out pamphlets about how mtam is mafia, not just saying "those reasons still apply, even though I also never gave them in the first place." His push on mtam feels very...detached? Yeah I understand what you're saying. Bear in mind though that jampidampi is this: 1) has always been pretty lurky in his games 2) has been prone to be mislynched quite a lot early on in games (partly because of #1) 3) actually quit TL mafia because he was pissed off with everything, pissed off with how games went, pissed off with being mislynched, etc. Basically what I'm sort of saying is that while yes, he probably should be swinging from the trees etc, he's a kinda frustrated player (historically) who quit mafia in part because he never did do that and got lynched for it quite a bit. | ||
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On May 25 2014 08:31 austinmcc wrote: P'shaw. Even my nonsense has merit. I do wish there was more not-me talking today. Probably not optimal for the game. Also, this is one reason not to sit on the coin flip dude, because there are still plenty of OTHER people to pressure and whatnot. yeah but other people will respond if they're talked about or even if they're not talked about. I don't think mysterymeat will respond at all unless he's up for the lynch, and maybe not even then. so it's kinda worth a try you see. The idea isn't "let's all just lynch this guy and not do anything else" and you should feel ashamed if you think so :p but yeah that mz stuff is good. | ||
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On May 25 2014 08:35 Cavalinho wrote: I don't really see what else there is to talk about right now. I have kush as scum and I don't think your reasons for letting him go are spectacular. I still want to lynch him, and kita's case on Bluey is pretty good too. Also, fun fact, I like marv's last couple of posts and I now have him as town. So that's something, I guess. could you just tell me what you liked so i can confirm you're not bullshitting please? that would be lovely :p | ||
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On May 25 2014 08:44 Cavalinho wrote: Sure, whatever. I'd say that your filter from page 11 onwards was pretty good. It wasn't really super content-heavy, but felt pretty genuine and it felt like you were developing your reads in a natural way and trying to put the pieces together correctly. Your content on jampi was something I didn't (care to) look for but it looked like good information to have in the thread in concern to his behavior. That good? Sure, that sounds fairly reasonable. thanks. | ||
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Why is Hapa particularly suspicious because he finds people with low filter length scummy, when the large majority of the game is doing the same thing? All the main wagons/suspicions are generally on low filter-length people, so why is Hapa doing so particularly egregious, but not anyone else? Lastly, this is just a gut read, but I get the read that a lot of his posts are sending out feelers. He doesn't ever go all-in or really push. He sends out feelers to see if there's support. Then later he pushes if there is or drops it if there is not. For example I am a neutral read in his reads above, but as soon as layabout starts getting angry at me, Hapa is behind him giving him a little boost. He is pretty much scum in my mind. Could you elaborate on this at all? Some more examples with quotes? | ||
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On May 25 2014 08:51 austinmcc wrote: ritoky post above looks townie to me although i would still <3 more conversation and less lists. But the reasons behind his read aren't the lazy ones, aren't the normal ones, like that hapa reasoning looks like...legit thoughts? yeah. i like the poofter comments as well. it's *exactly* how it looks to me, and i'm only a bit unnaturally sure poofter isn't mafia because i've seen him in other games. but what he said is perfect. | ||
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On May 25 2014 09:00 geript wrote: Got caught up with cooking dinner I'm back snooglewoogle Could I get an updated Slam read from you? Apologise if you've talked about it this phase and I've missed it. Doesn't have to be in depth. | ||
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On May 25 2014 09:09 ritoky wrote: Well, I think that a lot of the main wagons/suspicions are not very good as you can see by my reads. And I think the people pushing on them deserve to be examined in regards to if you feel they are just trying to get a ML on someone they perceive to be an easy target or if there is real grounds there. Outside of jampidampi, I personally am not really sold on any of the other low filter count cases. I guess I could be convinced on sqrt, but that's cuz I have no clue about that guy. However the difference is that most people pushed on 1 or 2 of those guys. Hapa pushed on ALL of them. His scum/leaning scum reads above are basically all of those people, and then when one or the other sticks (like with layabout pushing on me) he starts pursuing that one further. It just looks like fishing for an easy ML with a shotgun imo. As for examples with quotes. If you still want those then I will be happy to oblige in about an hour after the 2nd half of the sounders game. Honestly the more you post the better, so yes I'll take you up on the examples when you have time. No rush ^^ Again when you're ready, could you pick out the suspicions that Hapa made that you don't think are logical or genuine? Because you can disagree with someone's reads but that doesn't mean that person is faking it. With regards to jampidampi, do you take into the account any of the past games/history with him that I talked about recently? Does that affect your read, if not, why? | ||
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On May 25 2014 09:11 geript wrote: He's looked more and more townie to me in some regards. He feels really off though and idk what it is. I'm curious if you followed YOSO after you died btw. Slam in many regards played... pretty sensibly, less all over the place, and I would say it wasn't that obvious he was "enjoying himself" (one of your things on him). On day 6 I think there he pushed Ace pretty concertedly and seriously with me. It looked frighteningly normal :p | ||
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On May 25 2014 09:50 geript wrote: I think Thrawn is mafia. Can't explain it well. The Kush read is really odd. He's also not withdrawn at all; like he's just angry. Like Kush is usually pretty detached from the thread and what I've seen of Thrawn (and how to read him) is that he's like 30% of Kush apart from the threat. Here it looks more like he has no interest in playing whatsoever which is more what I understand of his mafia play. I get this read but the problem is I think thrawn would at least make a token effort as mafia to make/explain reads or do some cases. He was mafia in LXIII that I hosted and he *did* things. Actually in many cases bad things, but he did things. I kinda feel like in this game he'd at least have pretended to give even a bit of a shit? It's actually *really easy* in this sort of game to bullshit up a couple of reads on any of the many lurkers/weirdplaying players. If I were mafia in this game (soft townclaim ftw) I'd just go "here's one or two players, let's lynch them for some random reasons in their filter" and just go from there. Dunno. It's actually quite hard to imagine mafia playing like thrawn is doing where he's been around to do a few inconsequential things, without taking what is a really easy path and making some bogus reads. Then again I'm not certain this makes him not-mafia, but it makes me go eeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Understand me? | ||
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On May 25 2014 10:10 kitaman27 wrote: Looking at Cephiro's scum games, he has posted those monster walls of text early in the game multiple times as each alignment. I'm not willing to assume he is town based on effort there, especially since the content of the case wasn't very convincing. He hasn't posted since the start of day one. My heuristic is - long walls of text - not alignment indicative are the long walls of text eminently reasonable? -> mafia are the long walls of text not that reasonable, tunnelly, hammering away at a certain point, convoluted -> town Also Ceph kinda feels like he owns the place when he's town, less as mafia, check it out. Yes, his absence is pretty terrible. But those are my thoughts ^ let me know if you want me to elaborate/discuss | ||
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On May 25 2014 10:09 layabout wrote: actually playing mafia for cool points to counterbalance those lost from your name in the eyes of some? hey you. I think ritoky's recent posts (and especially the last one) is pretty good. why don't you? | ||
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On May 25 2014 11:18 layabout wrote: marv you asked him stuff and he responded with a wall that you think is good by your own metric that makes him more likely to be maifa. i think his earlier play very much suggests that he is mafia and a few reasonable looking walls doesn't change that. What are his priorities when he is posting? His recent posts still look like his image is at the top of his agenda. no, that was my cephiro metric my friend | ||
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On May 25 2014 11:46 ritoky wrote: well i have been warned in the thread for behavior before, so i don't really wanna get too close to my role description for fear of being removed. but in the description it leads me to believe that magical entities such as djinni will result in a "touched by magic" check rather than a "not touched by magic" check so you think bunnies has been visited by a certain type of person? | ||
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On May 25 2014 11:54 ritoky wrote: my question to you is which of those do you think is the most likely scenario? that encompasses such a massive range of things :/ are you sure it's that unspecific? | ||
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On May 25 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote: yes, unfortunately i think it is that unspecific, thus why i don't find it particularly useful. and why i am willing to be open with the info well i don't think bunnies was a very likely night target for anything, so i guess that probably rules that one out | ||
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On May 25 2014 12:26 Hapahauli wrote: MysteryMeat1 Dear god why is this a wagon? The guy who posts literally nothing is rarely mafia. The fact that he hasn't even attempted to try and blend in this game makes it fairly unlikely he flips mafia IMO. why you no read | ||
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On May 25 2014 12:09 ritoky wrote: so do you have more of a power role or scum read on her then? I don't have either particular read, I just can't see why any faction would visit bunnies. | ||
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On May 25 2014 12:35 Hapahauli wrote: You want to make him post. Cool. I mean you're not going to get an afk guy who's not reading the thread to post if he's not around to read your votes. He's not a guy you waste time talking about - if you think he has a chance of flipping mafia, he's a guy you request to be shot, and then move on with your life. The other possibility is that he's vaguely reading the thread and finds that somehow he never has any votes on him despite doing nothing. That was the scenario I was going after... | ||
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On May 25 2014 12:36 ritoky wrote: Well, let's just say we are in a hypothetical world where there is 0% chance she was a target of anything last night. Gun to your head you have to say power role or scum. Which do you say? power role | ||
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On May 25 2014 12:48 Hapahauli wrote: Of course. But this is an entirely irrelevant question because he did not type that and instead typed something far more incriminating. actually i think it could have been just bad wording, but like i said the rest of the paragraph indicates that's exactly what he meant | ||
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On May 25 2014 13:18 austinmcc wrote: ritoky, I would tend to agree with marv, in that I find bunnies a kind of unlikely N1 target for dastardly deeds, and an unlikely scummer unless she played a really nice D1. So I would assume she's a magical unicorn, and err on the side of power role rather than mafia, although that does discount any kind of pro-town or whatever non-town folks. Hapa, I almost always WANT to lynch elderly heterosexual peruvian. Either he's mafia OR I just get to lynch elderly heterosexual peruvian, which has some amusement value for me. But I very rarely actually lynch elderly heterosexual peruvian, and I often think it's a bad idea. Because I also want to win the game or lynch scum or be more sure or whatever. Sometimes even with a scumread on him, I won't want to lynch him. Also, sometimes it dawns on you that there's no way you can get any kind of high level security clearance, because in digging up your past people will inevitably run across things like this, and be, quite rationally, worried about you. Is this because you've looked over our games and worked out that the large majority of the time when you think i am mafia, i am, in fact, not mafia? | ||
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Better just to seek winning the game my friend :> | ||
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On May 25 2014 14:04 Holyflare wrote: Dafuk? You said NOT to lynch him today? Also, austin the jig is up. I checked you and you are not town. so what was the shot thing? | ||
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##unvote ##Vote: austinmcc | ||
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On May 25 2014 14:20 austinmcc wrote: I think I believe that check; it's a risky bluff if you didn't check me. But yeah, not town. This actually ended up being partially true, cuz I absolutely got dat ABBA faction. I'm unsure if anyone else converts, but I do, and to win I need to eliminate a particular other faction, as well as convert a certain number of brosephs. I am unsure if all factions need to get rid of other factions, nor do I know the names of the ones that aren't mah nemesis. I'd prefer not to give out that other information, but we'll see if it becomes necessary is your faction one that town would have to eliminate to get rid of factions endangering town? :> | ||
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On May 25 2014 14:26 Holyflare wrote: Recruitment extra annoying so koshi recruited you or other way around? me? | ||
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On May 25 2014 14:29 Steveling wrote: He can be controlled. He's 3rd faction with slam. I'm guessing slam recruited him. he may be a different faction (not sure about that though) but i don't think Slam recruited him. I dunno when that was supposed to occur, I assume things can't just happen instantly and they were doing their little dance really early | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:00 austinmcc wrote: OnceKing is unlikely mafia imo. He was one of the more attempts-to-organize-y people before the D1 lynch. He made sense in his posts then and I remember liking them. the elderly heterosexual peruvian man is a liar, for it is late in his part of the land, and he should not be drinking coffee. It's 7 o'clock. That's hardly late. | ||
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Indeed that's what he did last night. He's as dangerous as all the other factions put together probably. Plus after he talked about how amusing he finds the thought of lynching me, he obviously has to swing. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:07 Xatalos wrote: Although if I was converted, I wouldn't be making that obvious of a connection... pretty sure steve argued with me earlier that if he was mafia, he'd happily make obvious connections like that (the +1 thing with Cavalinho) | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:09 austinmcc wrote: HELLO POT, TELL ME MORE ABOUT THIS OTHER KETTLE. Maybe you don't think about it every game, but you're pretty amused at the thought of lynching me right now. yep. I'm especially enjoying your wriggling | ||
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Let it be noted. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:14 Xatalos wrote: The difference is, though, that (apparently) austin's faction can with with town and needs to reach endgame with one of the other factions dead. So it's at least a somewhat pro-town faction. The difference is, every other faction has a vested interest in killing the other not-town factions, austin has a vested interests in RECRUITING THE FUCKING TOWNIEST PEOPLE SO HE DOESNT ACCIDENTALLY RECRUIT MAFIA the recruitment mechanic is even more anti-town than KP that doesn't belong to town. this should be extremely obvious. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:18 Steveling wrote: Dumbass marv conveniently forgot how austin's power kp's rng. no, as usual you can't read. I said austin can, that is *can*, singlehandedly take out 2 townies per night, for example last night when his KP conveniently landed on superstrong sandroba town hydra. | ||
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If I'm not, do you accept that I can gloat like a total bastard in your face postgame, and you will accept it with good grace? | ||
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sure, if it'll shut you up. | ||
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more i tell you, more | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:48 BlueyD wrote: Meh. you're making the fundamental error of believing a player with an essentially anti-town wincon/powers will submit to town's will and not do whatever he wants. naturally to avoid the lynch he'll promise the world... | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:51 Blazinghand wrote: Fairy tales begin with "Once upon a time..." And "Even though I'm not town, you should let me live because..." I remember you trying to make a similar pact as SK in some game. Emergency mini mafia or something. | ||
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On May 26 2014 03:52 BlueyD wrote: If he was so anti-town he'd probably offer way less information. Though we can't confirm his role works exactly as he says, it seems to me we'll at least soon know for sure if he really was 3P and if he really was fire. and inevitably get lynched because he has an anti-town check on him you're only doubting because he's been so nicey-nice and forthcoming ... | ||
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On May 25 2014 18:52 Erandorr wrote: Can someone explain to me in small words why austin gave us that information about himself? On May 25 2014 18:52 Erandorr wrote: It is fantastic scum vote draw though look at that shit On May 26 2014 00:39 Erandorr wrote: WE still need to kill him. ##Vote: austinmcc lollycopters | ||
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On May 26 2014 04:52 austinmcc wrote: Also HF you should totally check the peruvian, so that I can laugh at him later on when he goes through this tomorrow. Maybe not, but...I'm not sold on him being town peruvian at all and he's VERY hands off. +1 | ||
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On May 26 2014 05:09 Steveling wrote: So, mercury are the only ones to not have attempted to recruit people? you're making an unwarranted assumption that all KP is related to recruitment | ||
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Quite hard to miss I guess | ||
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On May 27 2014 04:41 Xatalos wrote: I hope you don't post anything more and die tonight :D I'm not sure how to take that | ||
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gg folks. | ||
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i didn't much care though, because i got to kill austin | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:29 Xatalos wrote: LOL and yeah, thrawn&kush were scum -.- I guess when you act too scummy the town starts to doubt itself too much. kush wasn't scum till d2 tbf. | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:40 Yell0w wrote: Maybe if people talked less about offtopic stuff it would be easier for town. it wouldn't. town could not scumhunt. | ||
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that makes the game unbelievably depressing for town to play | ||
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because there weren't any fucking good lynches. | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:48 Tehpoofter wrote: thrawn and kush got "passes" for bad reasons imo. Koshi playaed pretty well so did HF for scum everyone else was just town though Although Tamburini could have fooled me. kush was town on day 1. | ||
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On May 27 2014 05:54 Tehpoofter wrote: day 2 though he got the pass and people were on him. but he was only scum by chance on d2 nothing changed from d1 when he was town. | ||
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big games have to have a specific catch that makes people want to play, like LoL in wave's game. | ||
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they were all really obviously town even though they were all calling each other mafia or people wanting to policy lynch etc etc etc it was all very silly | ||
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