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On May 21 2014 08:19 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:12 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 08:11 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 08:01 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 07:50 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice
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You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng And if this game had no newbies in it, I'd take your statistics under advisement. Also in games like 7 town 2 scum (which it ypically use) you'd expect a 25% chance of getting scum anyways, 40% is pretty close. On May 21 2014 07:47 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 07:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes? As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p I know you disagree with me philosophically about the usefulness of RNG, I just figured maybe in a massively multifactional setup you might find it alluring. Well, next time then! On May 21 2014 07:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
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seriously though, the story you're going with is "I realized you're right, and even if you're scum, your plan will probably work and we'll probably hit scum... but I'm not gonna follow your plan, because of ill-defind reasons"? Actually yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with you. I play mafia for fun and us all picking an RNG then sitting back and seeing what happens doesn't seem fun to me. Plus I at least have enough faith in my own deduction and reasoning skills to think that I have just as good a chance of finding scum with analysis as RNG does. Ok, so that's a reason. I will note though that historically, TL towns tend not to statistically significantly outperform RNG on D1. I'm not proposing RNG for no reason; I think lynching OdinofPergo is our best chance today. If nothing else, I guarantee that pulling this off will have two results 1) it will be legendary 2 ) it will cause a massive shitstorm because everyone hates RNG. this shitstorm will give us lots of things to base reads off of for D2 What reads do you hope to garner? Like based upon the lynch of Odin? Like who defends/pushes him? Why not just do that on someone who actually does something scummy. I think that I'd rather lose to being bad that win to RNG... I'm not playing a slot machine I'm playing mafia. RNG is bad and you should feel bad. Why not someone else? Because RNG. RNG is the best and I feel good. Obviously you don't really believe in the strategy. If someone thinks they're not better than RNG then they should just vote and leave the thread and come back in 48 hours and see how they did. But you clearly said you think you're a good player aka better than RNG so you don't even believe in an RNG lynch. And I'm going to vote on who I think is scummy. Hopefully its right but even if its wrong then I will be happy that I had some influence over it and not just randomness  Last time I'm commenting on this btw as its silly and unhelpful to town. I'm the best player in TL Mafia and I believe in RNG lynch because it's objectively the best tool. The definition of being a good player is basically using RNG lynch, in a setup like this. You don't just vote randomly and leave the thread, because most people don't do RNG lynch. You make sure everyone else follows you too. By your logic, if I have a scumread on someone, I should just vote them and leave the thread, my job is done. Typical poof. So lets say we had an RNG shot and a lynch. BUT you could only base one on RNG. Who do you find scummy in this thread so far that you would have to way in on for the non-RNG portion? We don't have an RNg shot and a lynch though, we just have a lynch. Let's RNG it. Dodging productive questions is dumb and scummy and you know it. ##Vote: BlazinghandContribute or die.
methinks the lady doth protest too much know what i mean?
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Kush town, BH probs town, possibly marv too but it's too early.
TOWNREADS FOR ALL
Although I guess 'town' doesn't mean much in this game does it 'cause town could be '3P faction #8'
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On May 21 2014 08:29 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:15 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:On May 21 2014 08:10 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:Can we stop troll voting and talk about someone that's actually scummy? On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:... @ EveryoneLet's kill Valenius: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi On May 21 2014 06:29 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:28 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:24 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Koshi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote:
9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg. Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife. i thought you were hosting. wtf. ##vote: Koshi Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master. I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards. It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you. On May 21 2014 06:50 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote:
So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here. I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it. RNG V2 On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote:
Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread? On May 21 2014 07:44 Valenius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I'd lynch HF in a heartbeat if he aligned with mafia. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh I'd lynch tamburini in a heartbeat regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry HF you've broken my heart too many times. ![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120309173425/goldensun/images/thumb/b/ba/GSHeart.jpg/240px-GSHeart.jpg) Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang. All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case. LOL ##unvoted koshi btw On May 21 2014 07:48 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote:
yes please do
##unvote
##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise) On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS. Oh wait, except me. ^^^ case in point anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz 6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion. ##Vote: Valenius i think he's town for this post: On May 21 2014 07:50 Valenius wrote:On May 21 2014 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 06:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum. Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced? As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it. 2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town. That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes? I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers. The definition of factions pretty much means they have to be scum aligned. Otherwise we'd just call them "blues". Even if they were like 3p factions or whatever, we'd still want them dead, right? Also nice goalpost moving. 1. "do more factions = more scum? wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio... balanced?" as a question implies that you, like me, expected all or most of the factions to be scum factions. 2. but then "additional factions could be third parties..." later on is what you say after I show solve #1. So, what's the deal? Why the resistance on the odinofpergo lynch??? From OP: "Town-Wincondition: Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town!" Not necessarily all scum aligned? Are you trolling me or are you serious? Pulling publicly-available information from the OP does not make someone town. Also, why do you have your vote on the most obvious townie in the thread? because you aren't reading what i've stated twice and no it's absolutely not trolling, who is more likely to pull someone from the op indicating that some factions might not be scum aligned? mafia, town or a maybe town aligned 3p factioner? to me it looks more like that latter regardless of his lackluster contributions I don't think so at all. For example, it would make perfect sense in this game for a scum-aligned faction member to know that information in the OP, since they too are aware of the other factions in this game. In general, I don't think speculating on what factions know what sort of information is wise in a closed-themed setup.
it's not to do with checking op it's to do with specifically being in the frame of mind to think about pointing out that there might be a town aligned faction or w/e while bh is talking about rnging it just doesn't strike me as scummy, the rest of his posts are shitty yeh but checking up in db he's only played newbies and been town so taking them with a mega grain of salt
long time left to draw conclusions
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On May 21 2014 08:33 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all. This seems like very surface level thinking to me. Why wouldn't scum want to do what they do every game? Why don't scum want to put themselves in the spotlight? Activity looks townie.
Surface level, I suppose.
You think he is scum,yes? Does he do this as every game he is scum, or does he do this as both alignments?
I've not seen BH play before, so yeah, he could probably be mafia here putting himself in town's spotlight because he is as good as he says he is. But I don't know. I'm only telling you what I think, where I think his play is at the moment.
Activity does look townie. But regardless of mafia or town alignment you want to look townie.
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Hapa save me, I can't bear it.
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On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all.
You've seen me play mafia before bunnies on video mafia I come out and just take over and do silly stuff because like BH here I think its very hard for me to get lynched as either alignment... clearly he is quite certain of himself and his playstyle so I think someone who has his persona might do something like this regardless of alignment because he can. Do you see that correlation?
For what its worth I like what you have to say about thrawn his posts so far have been nothing.
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On May 21 2014 08:43 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all. You've seen me play mafia before bunnies on video mafia I come out and just take over and do silly stuff because like BH here I think its very hard for me to get lynched as either alignment... clearly he is quite certain of himself and his playstyle so I think someone who has his persona might do something like this regardless of alignment because he can. Do you see that correlation? For what its worth I like what you have to say about thrawn his posts so far have been nothing.
Yeah, you do silly stuff regardless of your alignment. But I understand what you mean.
So BH, if you are so good as you say you are, besides you pushing RNG, what reads do you have outside of that?
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On May 21 2014 07:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@BH: I'm not sure tbh. RNG seems like an okay thing to do, especially with factions and the huge amount of possible scum we could have. But then again it's COULD have. But I like to lynch based off of reads and whom I find scummy or pretty certain are mafia. I don't even know if Odin has talked today, so I'd prob won't lynch him yet.
If RNG really seems okay to do, you'd do it regardless of whether or not someone else talks. The whole point of RNG is it's just based on that.
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ok look bh does this rng thing as any alignment so i suggest moving off of bh for a while
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wait till he claims a role that's already flipped and then kill him
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On May 21 2014 08:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:43 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all. You've seen me play mafia before bunnies on video mafia I come out and just take over and do silly stuff because like BH here I think its very hard for me to get lynched as either alignment... clearly he is quite certain of himself and his playstyle so I think someone who has his persona might do something like this regardless of alignment because he can. Do you see that correlation? For what its worth I like what you have to say about thrawn his posts so far have been nothing. Yeah, you do silly stuff regardless of your alignment. But I understand what you mean. So BH, if you are so good as you say you are, besides you pushing RNG, what reads do you have outside of that?
OdinofPergo is scum. Let's get him. Why all the resistance? What has he done this game to convince you he's town?
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On May 21 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
bh, do we really need to have this retarded random lynch discussion every game??? I feel like i have heard it a million times and it's hella boring.
You always brag about how great you are at the game, but i never see you hunting scum. You are always creating boring mechanics-drama around yourself.
Look, in this game, unlike many games, it's actually like objectively the right move to RNG lynch. There are multiple factions, they wont' be able to coordinate to shut it down (and probably won't even want to stop it, since it's more likely to hit a different faction), and there will be more than the usual number of scum. This is like the one time it's super super good. You have to admit it: this setup is different.
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On May 21 2014 08:49 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@BH: I'm not sure tbh. RNG seems like an okay thing to do, especially with factions and the huge amount of possible scum we could have. But then again it's COULD have. But I like to lynch based off of reads and whom I find scummy or pretty certain are mafia. I don't even know if Odin has talked today, so I'd prob won't lynch him yet.
If RNG really seems okay to do, you'd do it regardless of whether or not someone else talks. The whole point of RNG is it's just based on that.
As I said, I like to base where I vote because of the way I am reading that person.
RNG, while could work, I don't want to do it.
Like I said, you don't have a lot of support for this. And I'd rather find scum based on their play than a mechanical, statistical "game" you are trying to push here.
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On May 21 2014 08:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:49 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@BH: I'm not sure tbh. RNG seems like an okay thing to do, especially with factions and the huge amount of possible scum we could have. But then again it's COULD have. But I like to lynch based off of reads and whom I find scummy or pretty certain are mafia. I don't even know if Odin has talked today, so I'd prob won't lynch him yet.
If RNG really seems okay to do, you'd do it regardless of whether or not someone else talks. The whole point of RNG is it's just based on that. As I said, I like to base where I vote because of the way I am reading that person. RNG, while could work, I don't want to do it. Like I said, you don't have a lot of support for this. And I'd rather find scum based on their play than a mechanical, statistical "game" you are trying to push here.
So like 5+ poeple are like "yeah I could do RNG, but you don't have support for it"
well yeah cause you guys are all saying that. come on, try something new! This is the best possible setup for this. IF we don't RNG now, in this game, when WILL we RNG?
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Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo
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On May 21 2014 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 08:43 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all. You've seen me play mafia before bunnies on video mafia I come out and just take over and do silly stuff because like BH here I think its very hard for me to get lynched as either alignment... clearly he is quite certain of himself and his playstyle so I think someone who has his persona might do something like this regardless of alignment because he can. Do you see that correlation? For what its worth I like what you have to say about thrawn his posts so far have been nothing. Yeah, you do silly stuff regardless of your alignment. But I understand what you mean. So BH, if you are so good as you say you are, besides you pushing RNG, what reads do you have outside of that? OdinofPergo is scum. Let's get him. Why all the resistance? What has he done this game to convince you he's town?
Odin hasn't spoken. And the resistance is because you could easily be pushing a ML on a possible role. Or even if he's vanilla town it's still a mislynch.
Like I said, I would rather lynch him based off his play. He hasn't spoken yet, but im willing to give him a chance. If he doesn't prove anything, I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him.
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On May 21 2014 08:50 Holyflare wrote:
ok look bh does this rng thing as any alignment so i suggest moving off of bh for a while
HF haha at least stop giving Steve more fuel to his HF/BH scum fire.
So who should we move onto HF?
I want to know what happened to that BKQ he came in with this post: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:47 bkqyrldp wrote:Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions. Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now. The other person is meapak_ziph. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wait there are four factions in this game?
Guess I might as well read the op then.
Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play... He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave. What's up Marv, steve, MZ? On May 21 2014 06:48 marvellosity wrote:
bkjjgsdklfsdklfjskldfjklsdfjskldfjs, you don't get to speak to me until you can spell my name. Try again in 24h.
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On May 21 2014 08:50 Holyflare wrote:
ok look bh does this rng thing as any alignment so i suggest moving off of bh for a while
On May 21 2014 08:50 Holyflare wrote:
wait till he claims a role that's already flipped and then kill him
Right.
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On May 21 2014 08:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:50 Blazinghand wrote:On May 21 2014 08:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 08:43 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:
What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all. You've seen me play mafia before bunnies on video mafia I come out and just take over and do silly stuff because like BH here I think its very hard for me to get lynched as either alignment... clearly he is quite certain of himself and his playstyle so I think someone who has his persona might do something like this regardless of alignment because he can. Do you see that correlation? For what its worth I like what you have to say about thrawn his posts so far have been nothing. Yeah, you do silly stuff regardless of your alignment. But I understand what you mean. So BH, if you are so good as you say you are, besides you pushing RNG, what reads do you have outside of that? OdinofPergo is scum. Let's get him. Why all the resistance? What has he done this game to convince you he's town? Odin hasn't spoken. And the resistance is because you could easily be pushing a ML on a possible role. Or even if he's vanilla town it's still a mislynch. Like I said, I would rather lynch him based off his play. He hasn't spoken yet, but im willing to give him a chance. If he doesn't prove anything, I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him.
Well for now, why don't you vote him? He hasn't proved anything yet, and it's not like you can't unvote him later. It would help me with wrangling votes since everyone is like "yeah rng sounds good but you have no votes", i want them not to have an excuse.
Don't give them an excuse.
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