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Blazinghand
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On May 26 2014 03:49 marvellosity wrote:you're making the fundamental error of believing a player with an essentially anti-town wincon/powers will submit to town's will and not do whatever he wants. naturally to avoid the lynch he'll promise the world...
Fairy tales begin with
"Once upon a time..."
And
"Even though I'm not town, you should let me live because..."
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Blazinghand
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On May 26 2014 03:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 03:51 Blazinghand wrote:On May 26 2014 03:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2014 03:48 BlueyD wrote:
Meh. you're making the fundamental error of believing a player with an essentially anti-town wincon/powers will submit to town's will and not do whatever he wants. naturally to avoid the lynch he'll promise the world... Fairy tales begin with "Once upon a time..." And "Even though I'm not town, you should let me live because..." I remember you trying to make a similar pact as SK in some game. Emergency mini mafia or something.
Yeah it is a good movie for the scum if he can get it to work. Depending on the situation it might be good for town, but usually that's when town is out of options. Not in a situation like this. Its entirely possible his kp is not random and he just wants us to think it is etc
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Blazinghand
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On May 26 2014 03:57 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 03:55 austinmcc wrote:On May 26 2014 03:53 Steveling wrote:
Austin can you write your guess about what happens if 2 sensei djinnis target each other? Already said this. I don't know if other factions recruit, but in the HYPOTHETICAL situation where 2 people try to recruit the same broseph, they cancel. I ASSUME that works the same if another faction is doing something ELSE with djinn, but I don't know. My faction, at least, is about as in the dark as everyone else. I just happen to be a little more awesome. Then this is mighty possible? Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 03:48 Steveling wrote:
Btw if 2 djinnis target each other their action is probably null'd right?
So that's a good way to confirm another person.
Didn't marv say him and BH are confirmed townies?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Thoughts town?
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Why wouldn't we lynch hfs check? ??
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Blazinghand
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steveling doesn't actually think i'm scum austinmcc, he's just yanking your/my chains. I like the effort you're putting in. In a way, I hope you still have a member of your faction alive somewhere so that your effort wasn't in vain, but in another way, I hope your faction dies with you and you're just resisting and being helpful on principle, because you're not gonna give up until it's over. Either way, awesome effort.
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Blazinghand
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On May 26 2014 04:48 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 04:45 Blazinghand wrote:
steveling doesn't actually think i'm scum austinmcc, he's just yanking your/my chains. I like the effort you're putting in. In a way, I hope you still have a member of your faction alive somewhere so that your effort wasn't in vain, but in another way, I hope your faction dies with you and you're just resisting and being helpful on principle, because you're not gonna give up until it's over. Either way, awesome effort. Unlike you. If you are town that is. Another day passed and you didn't do anything. I'm srs now, when are you gonna help town?
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Blazinghand
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Well, things are looking good for us. Assuming the 2+2+2+2 speculation was correct, we're now at 1+1+2+2 which is highly solid. If Austinmcc was alone in the Mars faction, then we just eliminated 2 kp per night (one convert + one kill) even if those wouldn't necessarily always be hitting town. high life!!!!
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Blazinghand
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On May 26 2014 05:05 Xatalos wrote:
Koshi, aligned to Mercury was crushed by solid rock!
bkqyrldp, aligned with the Adepts was charred to a crisp!
Meapak_Ziphh, aligned with the Adepts was electrocuted
So...
Mars = fire (killed blfsjfkfsjfs last night - random KP?)
Mercury = ?
Venus = ?
Jupiter = ?
jupiter is lightning/wind, venus is earth, mercury is ice/water in the games
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Blazinghand
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On May 26 2014 05:09 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:On May 26 2014 05:05 Xatalos wrote:
Koshi, aligned to Mercury was crushed by solid rock!
bkqyrldp, aligned with the Adepts was charred to a crisp!
Meapak_Ziphh, aligned with the Adepts was electrocuted
So...
Mars = fire (killed blfsjfkfsjfs last night - random KP?)
Mercury = ?
Venus = ?
Jupiter = ? jupiter is lightning/wind, venus is earth, mercury is ice/water in the games So, mercury are the only ones to not have attempted to recruit people?
they haven't had a kill flavor in the thread, but we know nothing else. I think you've made a lot of interesting assumptions this game that someone with a townie pm would not have made. i'll drop a mad case in resolution time
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Blazinghand
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On May 26 2014 05:13 Xatalos wrote:
So then...
Mars = fire (austinmcc down, 1 player converted during N1? - killed blfsjfkfsjfs last night - random KP?)
Mercury = water (Koshi down, 1 left? - didn't kill anyone last night - no KP / protected / roleblocked?)
Venus = earth (2 left? - killed Koshi last night)
Jupiter = lightning (2 left? - killed MZ last night)
seems accurate to me.
from a balance perspective that the other factions do something different than pure recruitment, like temporary power control or temporary vote control or something. This is because, assuming that all recruits go off properly, town drop sfrom 24 players to 16 vs 12 after N1. perfect night actions basically make D1 into LYLO, or this game is balanced on scum mostly targeting each other or something. It would be pretty weird for scum to have this kind of power without inhibitions.
I think we can assume this: scum factions aren't dead until we see them stop NKing, and even then maybe not cause they might be out of bullets or something. Scum might have 2 players per faction, might be able to recruit, etc, but most likely just do not have a strong, solid permanent recruitment power for game balance reasons. Or at least, not all 4 factions.
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Blazinghand
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On May 26 2014 05:22 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 26 2014 05:13 Xatalos wrote:
So then...
Mars = fire (austinmcc down, 1 player converted during N1? - killed blfsjfkfsjfs last night - random KP?)
Mercury = water (Koshi down, 1 left? - didn't kill anyone last night - no KP / protected / roleblocked?)
Venus = earth (2 left? - killed Koshi last night)
Jupiter = lightning (2 left? - killed MZ last night) seems accurate to me. from a balance perspective that the other factions do something different than pure recruitment, like temporary power control or temporary vote control or something. This is because, assuming that all recruits go off properly, town drop sfrom 24 players to 16 vs 12 after N1. perfect night actions basically make D1 into LYLO, or this game is balanced on scum mostly targeting each other or something. It would be pretty weird for scum to have this kind of power without inhibitions. I think we can assume this: scum factions aren't dead until we see them stop NKing, and even then maybe not cause they might be out of bullets or something. Scum might have 2 players per faction, might be able to recruit, etc, but most likely just do not have a strong, solid permanent recruitment power for game balance reasons. Or at least, not all 4 factions. It's not lylo though is it? That's if it were 16 vs 12 not 16 vs 3 v 3 v 3 v 3
once you get into a "kingmaker" scenario for town, where town has to play the scum factions off of each other and can no longer win by lynching, it's nearly impossible for town to win. Therefore, I strongly doubt that the setup is "4 scum factions, each has 1 kp and 1 recruit per night". I'll literally eat my hat if that setup was used here.
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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Wow steveling was actually town?
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Blazinghand
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I would like to note that despite Odin flipping town, in this particular game RNG lynch remained the right choice. Honestly, with all the recruitment going on it would have been a fine choice D3 also
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Blazinghand
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This game had a lot of posts. Sorry you get lynched Odin!
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Blazinghand
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On May 28 2014 04:52 kushm4sta wrote:
I think it makes more sense to plynch than to rng.
one advantage of plynch is that it's easier to get people on board with it. people are generally down to lynch lurkers or whatever, and I know if someone suggested a steveling plynch I'd be down as heck
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Blazinghand
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For what it's worth I'm pretty sure I only voted odin and austin despite my deep powerful urge to vote steveling
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