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On January 06 2014 22:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 21:56 DarthPunk wrote:On January 06 2014 21:50 geript wrote:On January 06 2014 21:45 marvellosity wrote: geript ragequit-modkilled from one game, got a one-game ban, and then did precisely the same thing again in the next game he played. Is he likely to do it again? Frankly, yes, so 3 games is pretty normal... So then you'd have supported a pretty heavy ban on DP for replacing out without cause in successive games correct? Just fucking get over it dude. To be honest me not getting a ban for a game does not mean that you did not deserve a 3 game ban when you clearly did. and it also does not mean you can shit up every thread you can find in some deluded quest for vengeance. GM made a ruling on this. I am not getting a ban retroactively. So just drop it and participate in the community like a normal rational human please. DP you're not getting my point. From an objective rules based stance, yes I deserve a 3 game ban. The problem is that there should be reasonable expectation of fair treatment. For example, StorrZerg should have a 2 game ban currently (instead of a 1 game ban), but he doesn't have that. Dems da rulz. The problem that you're not seeing is that the preferential treatment causes problems. It flat out shows that if you're not a percieved "Part of TL in group" then you get fucked as hard as you can, but if you're "Part of TL in group" then we cover dat shit up yo. There literally should be zero expectation for people to come in here, play mafia and be totes kool beans if you treat them like shit and don't give them a fair shake. So when you don't give people a fair shake, nobody should be surprised when shit starts raining from the heavens. The goal here is to fix the problem. The core problem isn't that I got 3 games and you got 1 warning for equivalent actions; the problem is that the current system in place has no safeguards against that. The core problem is that current system breeds inequality and unfairness; there's no unequal, unfair system around that doesn't breed resentment. The point is that to correct the "shitstorm" scenario, permabanning me isn't the fix. I'm not the first person who's done this. I won't be the last. The goal is to fix the system so that there aren't clear and obvious inequities so that people can't get their feelings or get angry with out unjustly they're being treated. Let me be clear to get it through your think skull: I'm not trying to push for a 3 or 8 or 20 game ban for you. You not being banned is just one of I'm sure many injustices that have been done just since the 2.0 banlist. If I were to go back further I'm sure that I could find many, many more. My goal is to correct the system so that the bullshit that allowed you to get away with 1 warning (which realistically isn't any punishment) instead of a 1 game and 3 game ban gets fixed. It's that plain and simple.
What you fail to understand is what you did and they way you did it was much worse than what I did and they way I did it.
It is not an injustice. It is a reflection of the severity of the behaviour. That is it. There is no injustice. There is no conspiracy. There is no preferential treatment.
And you need to stop your crusade. Now.
The system is the way it has been for years. It doesn;t need to change and most people don't want it to. If you want to continue playing here that is great. (and personally I hope we can put this shit behind us and do just that)
But if you can't accept the way things work and if it actually a massive problem for you like it seems to then there are other sites to play mafia.
Either way this shit needs to end.
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Holy shit geript can you just understand that quite literally nobody cares about the arbitrary banlist we have set up? It is there to stop the most grievous offenders repeating their actions (ie. you modkilling yourself) not those that have the odd spate of inactivity or those that want a replacement because they don't like their role (I honestly wouldn't give a shit if someone did this and there was a replacement available, a warning is more than enough).
The problem that you are talking about is your definition of "vets". It has nothing to do with their super status, you can get rid of the vet title. It's people that we know based on a track record aren't likely to repeat the same misdemeanour twice that we favour. This isn't the fucking EU/UN we aren't condemning terrorists here it's a fucking forum where we play a text based game?? If someone isn't likely to commit the same action twice then they should NOT be punished the same as someone who is a repeat offender or someone who is new. The whole point of the banlist is to make people think about their actions by sitting out a game they COULD have joined.
Also, stop bringing up this DP shit. He actively sought a replacement and asked the host to switch out. The host could say no, the replacement could say no, yet they both said yes. It would be different if the host said no and then he rage quit but it didn't happen like that. It shouldn't even be a punishment and it is most definitely not the same as you getting modkilled on purpose.
This wasn't even a problem at all in the community until YOU brought it up and it's STILL not a problem now.
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Now you're just being dense. If you have a problem with me trying to fix the system, something which I'm not going to stop doing until the system gets fixed then you can either help me get it change OR if that's a massive problem for you like it seems to be then there are other sites for you to play mafia on.
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Geript,
The fact is -- the active parts of the vets (currently) are on the receiving ends of the perks.
They can continue to pretend it doesn't exist; and you can continue to voice awareness.
Nothing will change anytime soon. You have to accept that as a consequence of playing on this forum.
My 2c: Drop this, sit-out your games.
Earn back some respect by proving you have the mental fortitude to be better and if you see injustice in future games;
discuss your concerns with the hosts - IN PRIVATE.
One thing that is continually disappointing to see is how public some recent dramas have been. There is no need to infest these toxic relationships into every active thread.
If your definition of justice is not served, then take it up with GM and/or Mig.
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DP needs to drop this too as a respected member of the active playing community.
Whether you want to admit it or not; if you were talking to someone other than Geript about the same issue you would have a much more open approach to the whole situation. This alone indicates that you should be avoiding this component of the discussion in my opinion.
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Lastly, I never had a major problem with the previous system. In fact, I was rather grateful to be on the receiving end of the angels side of the Ban 1.0 system numerous times.
In one case, a host had a personal grudge with me and decided a first-time offense merited a 3-game ban -- even though said host openly did not follow the ban list.
However, the above is still a solid example of the disparity that exists and can be pushed when reputation proceeds equality.
In the scenario above, I felt I did a wrong, so self-imposed a ban. Because, yes, I actually believe in what I am saying.
/over-out
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The people involved in this drama aren't or weren't even "vets" and certainly not people "on the receiving end" of any perks. Mig, who reviewed the situation, probably barely even recognized DarthPunk by name.
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How kind you are syllo to respond to my post out of the 120+ odd posts.
Thank you kind sir 
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On January 06 2014 22:59 Mocsta wrote:How kind you are syllo to respond to my post out of the 120+ odd posts. Thank you kind sir
It wasn't intended as a response to you and was mostly directed at Geript. I just happened to borrow your phrasing.
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On January 06 2014 23:00 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 22:59 Mocsta wrote:How kind you are syllo to respond to my post out of the 120+ odd posts. Thank you kind sir It wasn't intended as a response to you and was mostly directed at Geript. I just happened to borrow your phrasing.
Way to crush a man's dreams.
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Exactly, this has nothing to do with vets at all.
tbh, the only solution would be for geript to host games, so we could all witness how fairly and justly he'd ban everybody he doesn't like.
Leading by example and all.
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I don't understand why my post provoked that reply as the intention wasn't to dismiss Mocsta's views on the matter and I've never had any problems with him. In fact, he is one of the players I'm always happy to see playing.
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On January 06 2014 23:14 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand why my post provoked that reply as the intention wasn't to dismiss Mocsta's views on the matter and I've never had any problems with him. In fact, he is one of the players I'm always happy to see playing.
He wasn't being serious sweetheart.
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On January 06 2014 23:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 23:14 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand why my post provoked that reply as the intention wasn't to dismiss Mocsta's views on the matter and I've never had any problems with him. In fact, he is one of the players I'm always happy to see playing. He wasn't being serious sweetheart.
But my dreams were crushed 
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Get on voice mafia will ya
Need to crack that stiff upper lip o' yours, dear
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I cannot, sadly. I'm working, at least to some degree.
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On January 06 2014 23:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Exactly, this has nothing to do with vets at all.
tbh, the only solution would be for geript to host games, so we could all witness how fairly and justly he'd ban everybody he doesn't like.
Leading by example and all.
well, Geript did host one of my newbies
A long time ago, but still...
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aqua.. get on voice mafia
lets dominate these non-aussies
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On January 06 2014 23:29 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 23:12 Dandel Ion wrote:
Exactly, this has nothing to do with vets at all.
tbh, the only solution would be for geript to host games, so we could all witness how fairly and justly he'd ban everybody he doesn't like.
Leading by example and all. well, Geript did host one of my newbies A long time ago, but still...
Ditto.
Geript you also offered to let me shadow.
However keep this up and I may blow your mind. Let me simply say this as I hate getting drastic: there are indeed other sites to play on. If YOU cannot take the heat, leave the kitchen for a while before turning off every oven and citing Cal-OSHA regulations everywhere you can. This is how an employee gets fired- you seem to see TL Mafia as an obligation and work, so I hope you will relate to my wording.
If anyone does not know what cal-OSHA is I will oblige soon.
Cal-OSHA are a govt group that targets farms pools and theme parks almost exclusively (google them with images, you will see). Frankly if they would calm down all of America would be a better place. (Food prices alone)
Note the following images, taken from their site!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/G2ZkEv6.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JNn5myd.jpg)
Very reasonable demands taken to a recent extreme. All employers must be capable of running a suicide prevention facility as well a their business.
People of TL Mafia, especially geript currently but all who would cause drama over this: this is largely how I see you.
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kitaman27
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On January 02 2014 12:06 geript wrote:
Those 2 admitted to cheating. You flat out admitted to collaborating in covering up the cheating.
On January 03 2014 04:32 GMarshal wrote:
Because I'm apparently biased, or trying to sweep things under the rug or something
On May 12 2011 03:23 Coagulation wrote:
So its pretty clear at this point that qatol has no desire to punish cheaters if they are his friends. Its been weeks now and I only see qatol trying to sweep this under the rug and hope everyone just forgets.
On January 05 2014 03:49 geript wrote:
It's clear everyone else is fine with this type of biased treatment continuing
On May 12 2011 03:23 Coagulation wrote:
Im gonna give qatol 24 hours to punish them for cheating in an unbiased and fair way that he would apply to any other player here
On January 06 2014 22:23 geript wrote:
It flat out shows that if you're not a percieved "Part of TL in group" then you get fucked as hard as you can, but if you're "Part of TL in group" then we cover dat shit up yo.
On May 11 2011 06:12 Lemonwalrus wrote:
This subforum is run by an ingroup and whenever something goes against what they want they squash it and the majority of you circle-jerk about how awesome they are.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
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