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On January 21 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one. Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here. I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not. Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for. Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game?
I get a feel for reads through conversation.
My questions to Hapa/Prome are to try and get a feel for them while creating conversation at the same time.
When I'm curious about something or something strikes me odd, I mention it.
I'm not sure why that isn't obvious to you.
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On January 21 2014 12:44 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 21 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one. Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here. I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not. Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for. Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game? I get a feel for reads through conversation. My questions to Hapa/Prome are to try and get a feel for them while creating conversation at the same time. When I'm curious about something or something strikes me odd, I mention it. I'm not sure why that isn't obvious to you. So what's your feeling of myself and Prome as of now? Any other reads worth mentioning?
Only preliminary reads I really have are those who have been actively participating in the thread.
I have VE as my strongest townread atm, which I believe I have mentioned before (or at least hinted towards).
Hapa I have you as slight town because your entrance and play thus far is consistent with how I remember you from that one game where I smurfed as Gravityman, though I remain wary here because I am not the best meta-user around. Your lines of questioning appear pretty towny as well so even without meta you keep the cursory townread.
I have Prome as null atm for a combination of things that VE is also on him about (though the difference may be I don;'t find him scummy necessarily)---his entrance seems way too weird, attention-grabby and most of all forced to be something scum would attempt, but then again I'm not a big fan of the content nor his seemingly baseless townread of me.
Is there anything else anyone wants before I'm off to bed? I won't be around for much of tomorrow but I will return in the evening.
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On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow
o.O
Welp, don't know what to make of that, so I'ma ignore it for now.
Welcome to the game Foolishness?
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On January 21 2014 15:45 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 15:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow o.O Welp, don't know what to make of that, so I'ma ignore it for now. Welcome to the game Foolishness? Wait. Wait. If you are going to ignore it, why did you respond to it?
Because I'm responding to you, having just entered the game, and being polite.
If you're not going to provide reasoning for your vote, I have no way or reason to discuss it.
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Well then, I guess I'm off to bed, night ladies.
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Alright ladies, I'm back.
Foolishness I'll admit, when you first posted this I was going to drop the hammer on you when I came back.
WaveOfShadow
I will go into a little more detail here.
On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
What about this post is good? He says generic things that anybody can say. Also the "Let's do something" seems incredibly forced. What does he hope to accomplish by saying that? I don't know (most likely he's mafia) and it feels like he's trying very hard to sound like he's vested in the game (when all he would have to do is just post whatever his thoughts are).
And then there's this post as well.
On January 21 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
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I don't think lurkers will be an issue in this game.
I'm really confused by your opener though...you want to discuss policy and then you state right after that you don't want to discuss it? Like...discussion of policy on its own isn't scummy imo but why did you go about it so awkwardly?
I do agree with the non-aggression thing, but no offense---I'd imagine you'd have to be one of the primary people to agree with that (and it seems as though you have?)
Now onto more important details: why specifically Hapa? Do you two have a history?
Is he going to want to make a case on you at all, never mind find something specific in this post of yours in order to make one?
Which fails to do nothing but ask more questions of which he never followed through on (neither of them really followed through on to be honest), when he could do have done something like actively push Promethelax to say something of substance.
People seem to have a great deal of trouble when I post things like this---it gets me in trouble a lot (marv can probably attest to this, and as well can probably attest to many thing I may bring up). WHy do I keep doing it then? Becuase I spit out what I'm thinking. I am open and honest with my posting, and I get my thoughts across. Not all of them are useful or relevant, but it shows a certain townie attitude, and is one of the reasons I never get lynched. There is nothing at all forced about it, in fact it's the opposite. I always comment about what I roll at the beginning of the game, and you should know that if you read into my meta as you said.
As for the second quote, you're right I never did follow through, but I did mention here that I simply wanted to get some conversation started and satisfy some of my own curiosity. No ulterior motives here.
On January 21 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one. Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here. I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not. Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for. Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game? I get a feel for reads through conversation. My questions to Hapa/Prome are to try and get a feel for them while creating conversation at the same time. When I'm curious about something or something strikes me odd, I mention it. I'm not sure why that isn't obvious to you.
And yet even though I answered why I asked those 'odd' questions ages ago, people constantly bring it up.
To me this post appeared lazy as hell. It looked as though you picked me out of a group of vets, said to yourself' Here's an opportunity to mislynch an easy target or force some pressure for weak reasons. I'm not a big fan of either. I hate being baited and unless you're bad at this game (which I do not believe from all of the praises people have spoken of you), that's all your early posting amounted to me. I imagine you expected me to respond in some way or overreact and I had no desire to do either, when all you can bring up as a mafia case to me is that you don't like my entry post. There is absolutely nothing inherently scummy about my posting in the slightest, and this post certainly did not prove it.
On January 22 2014 09:22 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:42 marvellosity wrote:
Foolish I'm curious if you've looked at any of WoS's meta at all? Yes I did that yesterday when I first accused him. However I did not find anything really damning on that front. He's only had one game as mafia here and there weren't any glaring similarities to that. For example, when WoS was mafia he swore a ton (just skim through his posts and you will see that) but when he's town that kind of attitude is absent. Also feels like he might be slightly more trolly when he's mafia. I'm still suspicious of him and want to clear the air on him now and not later because as I said in my previous posts he made a lot of generic statements and had opportunities to answer questions and instead only gave more questions to the thread. And a part of me does feel that his interaction with Promethelax says that at most one of them is mafia. I may be reading into that too much.
Now this I liked a little better and so instead of attempting to tear into you I'm writing this post a little more neutrally. Not finding anything damning is meh, because people find terrible reasons to look and compare to my meta every game, but there's an inherent problem with looking at my meta that you really should realize, Foolishness. I have played ONE scumgame. One game does not a sample size make, ESPECIALLY one game played what, 7 months ago? Do you honestly feel it would be accurate to make a comparison of my meta in any way to a sole scumgame when I have changed things about my TOWN play multiple times since then? The last person I can think of who tried to make bad meta arguments against me was Palmar in Thug Life I believe. Oh and by the way, if you think I don't swear as town, you should check out Thug Life for another reason. Bad meta thoughts here are real bad.
Now, if you'd like to have a conversation or ask me anything in particular to 'clear the air' as you said, or learn something that's not blatantly false about me, then by all means. I'll be here the rest of the evening doin' some much needed filter diving.
Something struck me about Holy in particular and I'm not sure I liked it. More posts inc.
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On January 22 2014 06:02 Holyflare wrote:@Hapa, the part of VE is irrespective of whether you are voting him or not. I am not you and I do not know how you play. The fact that you had to explain how your process of scum hunting works to me should be justification of that. All I can see is a person who was making points that were contradictary and sticking to things whenever he found them, thus, I ask questions to determine mindsets and thought processes so I can get a better read on someone further into the game. Thank you for responding. Show nested quote +As for not being more critical of the read on myself... well I'm fucking obviously town. That much should be clear from my early-game interest level, and the multitude of players calling me town so early (citing my lack of interest level when I'm mafia in general). If you are town, you are obviously town to yourself. When another player that you do not know the alignment of says you are town, when there was plenty of information that made you look not town, (the stuff that I was bringing up) then alarm bells should ring. I do not know if it's a difference in styles or because I'm just super paranoid in general but these are the things I look out for.
This post in specific by Holy I feel is important.
The nitpicking he has been doing in regards to gonzaw and Hapa feels townie to me, and I do agree with his final thoughts except that final sentence rubs me the wrong way. The game of mafia is by nature a game of paranoia and I don't really feel that his line of questioning needed justification in that way---the 'things he looks out for' seem perfectly natural things for a townie to look out for (and hence why I was liking a lot of his posting), but then why make excuses for yourself at the end with that final sentence? Where is the holy wrath, righteousness and vindication ina townie knowing you're doing the right thing?
Holy, your filter has completely been devoid of me, and I believe I get my best reads from conversing with people directly, so maybe now that we're both here we can talk just a little?
Since you were curious over some people's obsession with Foolishness before he started to contribute, I might guess that now that he's actually done something you might actually have something to comment on the matter?
What do you make of the fact that he has apparently chosen you as one of his primary targets for the day? (He still has his vote on me i believe but I imagine that will be moved one way or another.)
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I also wouldn't mind talking with marv or VE atm....
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On January 22 2014 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote:Here's something that I still find off about Foolish's reentry post. Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:The thing with VE is that yes, on his own some of his posts are suspicious. This one in particular made me raise an eyebrow: + Show Spoiler +On January 22 2014 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Morning guys. Marv no, I don't think it's the same kind of Prome that I'm used to seeing. What it reminds me of is that game I was the mayor and lynched the piss out of Prome D1. He was a lurky little shit that game, but I caught him on something very similar to what I noticed this game. Like I think it's awful that I have to ask this, but did you read my post on him?
That being said, I at least dig one of his targets. I asked Foolish about his thoughts on this same matter and what I got is "lol you and Hapa townies" which is definitely NOT what I was after. He answered my question as if he'd read the exchange between us, but left me with a feeling that he hadn't actually read anything at all.
If I see one more person say they're going to ignore my posts, I won't be responsible for the outcome. You have been warned. However I think if you just read through his filter and analyze it as a whole there's nothing to be afraid of. Is he pushing any sort of mafia agenda? No. Does it feel like he doesn't have the town's best interest in mind? No. Does it feel like he's actually trying to figure things out? Yes. This is where he explains his super townread of me right? But look at the bolded bit. He's criticizing me asking marv about my Prom post and the part where I share my observation about our interaction, but says that the TOWNIE bit is the last two sentences, the "fluffy" angry nonsense at the end. Like, I'm trying to wrap my head around this. He thinks I'm town, presumably he knows that I share at least Promethelax as a scumread, but he tries to lightly discredit me while calling me townie? And after the entire post, I STILL don't know if he actually READ my post on Promethelax. Something doesn't add up. I'm missing something, somewhere.
He called what I said 'forced,' too.
It's a weak buzzword imo that only serves as you said to lightly discredit somebody. It has no 'meat' to it, no evidence of foul play and is part of the reason why I really didn't like his return post.
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And since people appear to be ignoring me, I'm just going to keep tossing shit out there until something sticks.
Kita I need to go back and look at the games I've played with you. I dislike regarding meta primarily as a rule, but I can't remember if you play all your games by incessant questioning and seemingly 'starting shit.' I know you're capable of well-formed cases as either alignment but I really wish I could see one right now. So much of your filter is just questions; I don't know what you're building towards at all, and it bothers me.
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On January 22 2014 10:17 gonzaw wrote:
So VE, WOS, is Foo's entrance the Return of the Jedi, or the Revenge of the Sith?
As I've said, I probably need to talk to him to be sure. His initial return post left a bad taste in my mouth because the case on me felt extremely weak and dare I say....forced? Facetiousness aside, the post just didn't seem worthy of someone of his apparent calibre. His second one dropped a few more thoughts but as I've said, I gain my best insights when I can talk to people one-on one so I can't be sure one way or the other. Overall I'd be most suspicious of him, Holy, and kita atm. I can't attempt to make much of a read on sandroba/marv/austin yet, but I'd very much like to.
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On January 22 2014 10:21 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 10:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
And since people appear to be ignoring me, I'm just going to keep tossing shit out there until something sticks.
Kita I need to go back and look at the games I've played with you. I dislike regarding meta primarily as a rule, but I can't remember if you play all your games by incessant questioning and seemingly 'starting shit.' I know you're capable of well-formed cases as either alignment but I really wish I could see one right now. So much of your filter is just questions; I don't know what you're building towards at all, and it bothers me. I'm not ignoring you bbygrl, you need something specific?
Nah you know me, just like to shoot some shit and see what rains down.
Talk to me about kita a little. He can be pretty tricksy; what do you make of the fact that he doesn't appear to have dropped any solid reads so far, but rather is content to poke whatever and whoever he can?
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On January 22 2014 10:28 VisceraEyes wrote:Meh, I try not to read Kita's posts too much because he's mean to me  In all seriousness though, I haven't had a problem with the way he's questioning people. Like, the questions seem to have a guiding thought-process, which is something that I find townie. However it IS strange that he's not come out hard against anyone yet. I'm reserving my judgement on him until he does. That should shed some light as to what is/whether there is the thought-process he's following.
It's totes gonna be me
I CAN FEEL IT
Your current scumread is still Prome I believe?
Prome is also a player who often comes out with a massive case against someone and pushes it pretty hard. Why do you not reserve the same judgment for him?
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On January 22 2014 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just said that I get townie feels from the way Kita is questioning people - that earns him the hold. Prome has done something suspicious, and if he comes back and turns on the town then sure my mind could feasibly be changed, but I'm suspicious of him based on what he's already done in the thread. They're two different scenarios.
Your main point against him is the weird take on our similar posts early, I get that.
You also specifically state
On January 22 2014 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 11:47 Promethelax wrote:On January 21 2014 11:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Or rather, it is policy, but certainly not discussion. You got so close to making that case on me. So close. And yet so far. It is policy and we could discuss it, I just assume no one will disagree with it so there is no discussion which will stem from it. The discussion comes from me posting things which you can call me town on or base a case on. That is what generates discussion, not policy we all agree on. Since you are, so far, the only person interrogating people on the shit they post I'm choosing to believe you are town for the moment. Since I am town that means you and I shall discuss other people. In this case VE and this post: On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. You see VE knows how to say things. But this post doesn't say things. This post, when the fluff is removed says that we should let Sandroba do his own thing because no matter what he'll do his own thing and that Sandroba may or may not catch scum. It shows such a lack of curiosity that I am disturbed. Do you, Hapa, agree? y/n? Will you go on a date with me y/n? This was a terrible reasoning for suspecting me in the first place, but to be fair it looks like a conversation starter more than an actual accusation, which can and does come from both alignments. However as a conversation starter, I do notice a distinct lack of calling me scummy or suspicious, only "disturbing". Could be benign icebreaking, or malicious doubt-weaving. Who can be so sure so early? I think it's suspicious because I think the rest of his play following this has been suspicious to me.
What about the rest of Prome's play aside from the comparison between us has been suspicious?
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On January 22 2014 13:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 11:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 22 2014 11:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I just said that I get townie feels from the way Kita is questioning people - that earns him the hold. Prome has done something suspicious, and if he comes back and turns on the town then sure my mind could feasibly be changed, but I'm suspicious of him based on what he's already done in the thread. They're two different scenarios. Your main point against him is the weird take on our similar posts early, I get that. You also specifically state On January 22 2014 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 21 2014 11:47 Promethelax wrote:On January 21 2014 11:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Or rather, it is policy, but certainly not discussion. You got so close to making that case on me. So close. And yet so far. It is policy and we could discuss it, I just assume no one will disagree with it so there is no discussion which will stem from it. The discussion comes from me posting things which you can call me town on or base a case on. That is what generates discussion, not policy we all agree on. Since you are, so far, the only person interrogating people on the shit they post I'm choosing to believe you are town for the moment. Since I am town that means you and I shall discuss other people. In this case VE and this post: On January 21 2014 11:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
If we're talking meta, pressure won't mean anything to sandroba. He'll either play or he won't, and if he's town he'll probably find some scum. People like kita voting for him as a joke will probably not pressure him as much as you seem to think. You see VE knows how to say things. But this post doesn't say things. This post, when the fluff is removed says that we should let Sandroba do his own thing because no matter what he'll do his own thing and that Sandroba may or may not catch scum. It shows such a lack of curiosity that I am disturbed. Do you, Hapa, agree? y/n? Will you go on a date with me y/n? This was a terrible reasoning for suspecting me in the first place, but to be fair it looks like a conversation starter more than an actual accusation, which can and does come from both alignments. However as a conversation starter, I do notice a distinct lack of calling me scummy or suspicious, only "disturbing". Could be benign icebreaking, or malicious doubt-weaving. Who can be so sure so early? I think it's suspicious because I think the rest of his play following this has been suspicious to me. What about the rest of Prome's play aside from the comparison between us has been suspicious? My main point is the rest of his play from his original point against me. There hasn't been anything else Wave, what do you want me to say?
I don't, I'm just sort of curious because the day is ticking down, I'm looking for scum and I don't find myself convinced to vote Prome.
Kita re: your list.
I don't know whether to be relieved or insulted.
Is there a reason you left out reads of me/Holy/Prome specifically until tomorrow?
Gonzaw:
On January 22 2014 13:40 gonzaw wrote:I'm still not convinced on Foo's posts. A "big meaty post" is not what makes Foolishness town, in any of the games he plays in, in my mind. More recently, he didn't act like it in Personality 2, and didn't in Liar Game either. I.e Foo is not the scummy guy who revindicates himself with that big post. At least that's the picture I get from reading his filter those games. Like Hapa said, "big meaty posts" can and usually do (even if it was just once) come from scum Foo instead. His second post "seemed" townie...but then again he just sheeped my Holy read, and biffle-waffled on WOS a little bit. It's also pretty funny how he says something like this... Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 09:22 Foolishness wrote:On January 22 2014 08:00 gonzaw wrote:I thought my previous sexy posts already made me town by then kita Hmm, okay, I think we might get a little bit off track with all the discussions, questions, and shit going on. Personally, I want these: 1)Foolishness to do something more (I'm not very much convinced by his post. I read the Champion's Game as well marv). Notice how there's a lack of defense for his "horrible" posts. 2)Get some consensus on Holy based on what I posted 3)I guess some real talk about who to lynch this D1, not just fleeting questions and suspicions. All my posts and every word I write has a distinct purpose. I don't have time to waste. ...yet he makes posts like this: Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 15:45 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 15:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 21 2014 15:41 Foolishness wrote:On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow o.O Welp, don't know what to make of that, so I'ma ignore it for now. Welcome to the game Foolishness? Wait. Wait. If you are going to ignore it, why did you respond to it?
He 'biffle-waffled' on me and yet his vote remains. I don't know about you but I'm not convinced to vote me.
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Alright, if nobody else has the balls to say it, I will.
What the actual fuck is with the activity on D1 with 10h to go in a lynch?
Somebody talk to me; I'm sick of being around when nobody else seems to be and vice versa.
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On January 22 2014 13:00 kitaman27 wrote:I brought up some minor suspicions of Hapa early on in the game, but on second thought they probably didn't warrant much weight. When the game began, I was hesitant to trust the player that was going out of their way to look pro-town and generate "discussion" figuring that there might be a mafia player who is trying to teach their shadow how to maintain a strong thread presence. However, while Hapa is certainly capable of presenting strong town posts mid-game as mafia, I found that he appears to strongly prefer a backseat role on day one. He has mostly stayed active even after the start of the game, so I'm willing to put him in the back of my mind. Foolishness is pretty reliable for the one big post after people share their annoyance that he hasn't solved the game yet. I'm satisfied enough to move my vote, as long as he doesn't expect the one post to buy enough town cred to ride out the rest of the day in cruise control. His reads match up pretty closely to what I'm thinking at the moment, although I suppose it's not too difficult to call townie looking players town and then pick a couple personal preferences from the remaining group. There is one thing that I disagree with in Foolishness's assessment. He states that sandroba has had a strong appearance and has brought things to the thread. I don't see it so far. When he rejoined the thread, his re-enterence was extremely vanilla. He asked Foolishness about his WoS, which had already been beaten to death and he gave a softball to marv. His statement about Prom wasn't really anything new that he brought to the thread. I'm always hesitant to go after sandroba because I know a lot of the time he goes long periods of time without contributing much and then bursts into the thread with a great case. However, there is a distinct lack of aggressiveness in his posts and after 30 hours into the game, if he can't be bothered to play, that's on him, not me. I may have overreacted to gonzaw's Foolishness case. I completely skimmed past his thoughts on VE and he moves onto sharing thoughts about Holy when he had the option to stay where he is. I haven't decided between town or mafia with a lot of spare time, but activity buys him enough town cred that I don't want to lynch him right now. marv hasn't made a lynch push yet, which is a concern. On day one especially, I know I like to wait until late into the day to make my mind up, but at least I try to provide some direction to where I am leaning. With marv, I really don't know who he is suspicious of. He appears curious about myself, but only really brings stuff up casually without much resolve. He comments that gonzaw made some valid points, but he hasn't followed up on this by attacking any of the targets in question. Nothing really comes to mind when I think of how Marv plays mafia. I remember when he fooled me with active posting when he was new to the forum and I believe he played a backseat role in themed game, but I'll have to take a closer look at his filter. I can definitely see a mafia Marv from a gut read though. There was a post from Prom where he commented on something I was thinking so I gave him town cred, but I can't even find it now so it couldn't have been very strong. I hope to look at Holy/Wave/Prom tomorrow. I'll be at work all day so the 6PM lynch doesn't leave much time to come up with a preferred lynch candidate, but I'll try to do my best. I think austin may have buddied up to me when he defended me where I didn't really need defending. He amuses me though, so I'm not sure we should lynch him yet. @Foolishness, was there anything in particular that made you eliminate sandroba from lynch consideration? ##Unvote
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{Marvellosity,Austinmcc}
{Marvellosity,Sandroba}
{Marvellosity,VisceraEyes}
{Marvellosity,HolyFlare}
{Marvellosity,Hapahauli}
{Marvellosity,Gonzaw}
{Marvellosity,WaveofShadow}
{Promethelax,Austinmcc}
{Promethelax,Sandroba}
{Promethelax,VisceraEyes}
{Promethelax,HolyFlare}
{Promethelax,Hapahauli}
{Promethelax,Gonzaw}
{Promethelax,WaveofShadow}
{Austinmcc,Sandroba}
{Austinmcc,VisceraEyes}
{Austinmcc,HolyFlare}
{Austinmcc,Hapahauli}
{Austinmcc,Gonzaw}
{Austinmcc,WaveofShadow}
{Sandroba,VisceraEyes}
{Sandroba,HolyFlare}
{Sandroba,Hapahauli}
{Sandroba,Gonzaw}
{Sandroba,WaveofShadow}
{VisceraEyes,HolyFlare}
{VisceraEyes,Hapahauli}
{VisceraEyes,Gonzaw}
{VisceraEyes,WaveofShadow}
{HolyFlare,Hapahauli}
{HolyFlare,Gonzaw}
{HolyFlare,WaveofShadow}
{Hapahauli,Gonzaw}
{Hapahauli,WaveofShadow}
{Gonzaw,WaveofShadow}
Strictly from a meta standpoint, fabricated reads are not something mafia kita couldn't come up with, so the existence of the post doesn't say much to me.
The content however is a different story.
He appears to be saying a lot but he takes no hard stances that I can see. He is missing reads on me/Holy/Prome specifically, who I believe were the three mafia candidates that Foolishness came up with? That kind of surprises me because the largest part of his post is dedicated to Foolishness so you would think he would go a little deeper and have a look into those people Foolishness was interested in to try and get a read on him, at the very least.
He finishes off the content with a direct question, something that makes me feel oddly more at ease because I know it's something I do a great deal (as people have been so kind as to pick out multiple times against me this game)---it's a somewhat relevant question given sandroba's (and Foolishness'?) absence and while questions like this, especially towards afk players are easy to toss out as either alignment, it's basically impossible to do ask question like that without showing some form of thought process. The problem here is I can't necessarily tell which as the question itself is kind of disjointed.
The 'mafia pairs' business means absolutely nothing to me whatsoever.
Kita is one of those players I inherently have a hard time trusting---this could simply be personal bias because I believe it was the first two games I played with him (The Game/PYP Dr Who) that I got pretty burned. I know him to be a very intelligent guy so I know what he is capable of, and I will admit I can't tell what he has in mind a lot of the time, so I work with what I've got in thread.
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I don't think I have one, honestly.
My last note on him in my QT was something along the lines of 'fucked if I know.'
I want to say I lean scum on him, but I really can't tell if that's just the bias/paranoia talking or it truly bothers me that despite all of his posting I don't feel that I know what he's actually thinking.
Kita is your vote on gonzaw anything but policy atm?
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On January 22 2014 23:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think I have one, honestly.
My last note on him in my QT was something along the lines of 'fucked if I know.'
I want to say I lean scum on him, but I really can't tell if that's just the bias/paranoia talking or it truly bothers me that despite all of his posting I don't feel that I know what he's actually thinking.
Kita is your vote on gonzaw anything but policy atm?
That should say sandroba.
whoopsie.
Too much filter diving
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On January 22 2014 23:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 23:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kita is your vote on gonzaw anything but policy atm? My vote is on sandroba. I suppose you could call it policy. I'd much rather lynch him now, over an individual who is playing if he isn't going to contribute. I also expect more than one big post if he does return. I hadn't looked into Prom/Holy/yourself since your names are coming up the most often. I will certainly change my vote from sandroba if I find someone that I'm confident about. Possibly even slightly less than confident. I really wish people would vote sooner though, even if they need to change their mind. This seems like it is going towards the path where everyone shows up with their vote an hour or two before the lynch.
Can you explain the logic behind the bolded?
On January 22 2014 23:21 kitaman27 wrote:If that's the case, Wave must be town! *wink wink*
I see what you did there.
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