Resistance 3

On December 27 2013 07:20 Adam4167 wrote:
wooooo first.

I'll pick a team consisting of people who are actively involved in the game and look town. I'd like to think i'm pretty good at finding townies, and I only need to find two since I'll be including myself in the team.

On December 27 2013 07:40 Adam4167 wrote:


So which grack am I getting this game?

The trolling one from LXIII or the one I remember from Student?

On December 27 2013 07:54 Adam4167 wrote:


Yes. I found it pretty trolly.

Can I expect more of the same here?

On December 27 2013 10:33 Hopeless1der wrote:

Lets suppose at least 1 of those 3 go on to fail a mission. Are you, as leader, culpable in the failure?

On December 27 2013 22:11 Koshi wrote:
^
Grack, could you explain to me why you would send Hopeless? I just wrote something on why we shouldn't take Hopeless.

Why is Hopeless a better pick than yourself? Isn't it the same principle?

On December 29 2013 08:46 Adam4167 wrote:
Rayn, don't be thick. I asked the host if my submission of the team counted as a yay from me, he said yes, so there was no reason for me to vote.

When I went to bed there were 3 yes votes and no one was contesting my team, so what was I to discuss? I'm not going to bark at the people that have voted yes, their votes are in, and they've already done their bit. For everyone else, I was waiting for them to bring their objections to the thread to discuss with them. If they had no objections, there was nothing to discuss and they'd vote yes.

The level of resistance this team is facing is what I'd expect from an all town team. I'll almost certainly vote yes, but we've got 4 hours still, may as well use it to discuss.

On December 29 2013 09:03 Adam4167 wrote:


Only just by the looks of it. 5-4 is all i'd expect from a town team. If it had gone over in a landslide, then I'd know i'd fucked up.

On December 29 2013 09:14 Adam4167 wrote:


There hasn't been no resistance. We have 4 people voting no or declaring they're going to vote no. Thats a team passing by the smallest of margins.

On December 31 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote:

For a brief moment I was thinking that Adam was scum because not enough people were asking to be picked or showing effort to be picked. There is a pretty good post by CR where he says that it is a tactic for town to not discuss anything and let the leader pick a team. Scummers will then have to show face if the team is by accident all town. But if the leader is scum, scummers don't have to ask to get picked or do extra effort.

But I don't know if I like that line of reasoning atm.

On December 31 2013 20:34 Koshi wrote:

Sounds epic. I am planning to pick up my game now, so let's be a well respected Grackoshi team. I thought this game would move way faster and that we would have a team ready to go in 48 hours. Therefore I went a bit chicken without head & fingers crossed and just spammed to take me on the first mission. Sillyness :D.

Concern I now have:

1) Corazon never talking directly to me. He mentions Koshi a shitton in his filter, but never redirect his questions to me personally. It's all "Koshi needs to pick up his game" "If Koshi is going to troll" "I will not be considering Koshi his team at all"

Which is just strange. I have been reading BttB mafia, Titanic 1 & 2 and he doesn't do that there at all. This game he mentions my playstyle so many times and I don't think there is 1 message directed at me. But because there is no meta to compare it to it is just simply strange and not alignment indicative I guess.

I do have some posts that make Cora town though. Those are for later when I make my teams and give overall reads.


2) What do you think of Adam nay voting his own team + his reasoning behind it. I could see a VE or Cora say that because CR and I instantly voted "yay" that they get extra hesitant about adam, hopeless or rayn. But Adam (and rayn as well tbh) should not have this problem that much because they know from themselves that they are town. So then they only need to verify 2 more townies. It speaks in both Adam, rayn their favor that they blame each other for the nayvote though.

rayn says he nayvoted because Koshi&CR yayvoted and he became unsure about Adamn.
Adam says he nayvoted because Koshi&CR yayvoted and he became unsure about rayn.

I think I need to reread it again but atm I am thinking Adam might have been thinking that if he yayvotes with Hopeless and rayn being very townie that he will be seen as the spy in the mission if he decide to fail it. Or he is forced to succeed it but then he might confirm both Hopeless and rayn as very likely town and he might fall out of the boat.


Hmm. I don't know yet.

On January 03 2014 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Interesting. Please elaborate Grack.

On January 03 2014 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have absolutely no idea how you come to that conclusion Grack.
Because Koshi voted yay on the first mission one of me/Hopeless is scum? What the fuck?

On January 03 2014 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This would make perfect sense given Grackaroni is attacking me after Koshi's mission based on "gut feeling". After fail mission it's better for scum to attack different people, as you don't even care if one of your teammates get bussed as you wanna have eggs in every basket.

I have no idea why Grackaroni would attack me after Koshi's mission with literally no reasoning unless he is spy.

On January 03 2014 18:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Having 2 scum on 1st mission has it's advantages and disadvantages. Having 1 scum however is easier to play off in case you do not know how to play it after that. I don't think up/down-voting the first (Adam's) mission has a lot to do with alignments in a sense that i don't think all scum were on the same side (as in voting yay or nay).

Or what exactly are you trying to say?

On January 03 2014 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is a difference because i don't think Koshi's mission had 2 scum and Adam's had.

On January 03 2014 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well Mr.Grackaroni, explain this:

Nothing here suggests a change in your reads.

On January 03 2014 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because let's be honest here. I was easily the towniest person in thread when Adam chose his team. I pressured him to tell me what team he would pick in case he had to pick it instantly (before he picked the team). Nobody made good posts after that and at that moment he had a strong(?) townread on Hopeless.

What exactly were his chances of changing his mind after giving me his team proposition of him/me/Hopeless as noone posts townie stuff unless he wants to out himself in case he is scum?

On January 03 2014 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Filter consistency is the only way to scumhunt because if your filter is not consistent then you are scum as you change your mind based on nothing - something you don't do as town.

What do you suggest is how to scumhunt then?

On January 03 2014 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Also Grack, this does not sound like a policy nay-vote as you earlier on said it was.
You are giving different reasons for your voting behavior.

On January 03 2014 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am saying i am leaning on you and Adam(Coag) being scum because your reasoning for voting behavior and reads do not match what's been happening in thread and what you have said before.

I'll make a more detailed post about this for all the people to see tonight, i gotta go after a while for couple of hours so i don't have time to do it now.

On January 03 2014 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's not the basis of my read if you have read my posts.

On January 03 2014 21:17 Koshi wrote:
meh. Don't think rayn would go after Hopeless so hard so fast.

On January 03 2014 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Your train of thought regarding the first mission and voting does not make sense. Your thought process does not match your actions. I am making a big post about this when i get back home but i gotta go in ~10min so i really have no time now.

On January 04 2014 10:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni why did you pick me into your team? I thought you think i am mafia.

On January 04 2014 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Hmm.. Why does it have to be me or Koshi over other people?

On January 04 2014 10:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Other than yayvoting mission one, what do you have against me Grack?

On January 06 2014 08:50 Corazon wrote:
I'm not entirely sure, but two things are confusing to me:

Why did Grack make his team and then vote No on it? The timing of his vote looks really suspicious because it was after his vote would not matter. Perhaps he could be try to distance himself from a mission he knew was going to fail?

Why did Sentinel immediately blame Grack for the sabotage? It looks especially weird because he voted yes to the team. I don't understand.

Also, CR's post really makes me feel like he knew the mission was going to end in failure.

In my opinion, I need to pick two out of these three to join hopeless as my proposed scum team.

On January 06 2014 08:56 Corazon wrote:

I haven't seen any scummy posts from VE. I just get a townie vibe from him. He looks like he is trying to solve the game and never has bouts of inactivity or lack of effort like a lot of other players here.

On January 11 2014 00:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni:
Cora/VE, Who's scum and who's town? Or do you have some other theory of scummers?
We need 5 townies in the end anyways.