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On January 12 2014 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: So DrH you make a post like this where i assume you call Xatalos scummy. About 10 minutes later you PM me about your scumreads and "funny feelings" but Xatalos is not there. Why? DrH does seem to forget a lot of things.... | ||
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On January 12 2014 07:59 Blazinghand wrote: you described me as inexperienced and low activity which is basically like describing chezinu as serious and readable From my experience in Titanic II you are prone to lurking and playing really bad. Probably you're capable of better but I haven't seen it yet. In fact I think your play is less coherent and logical here than in Titanic II. That makes me think you're more likely scum than in Titanic II where you were town. | ||
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I might as well vote too. ##Vote yamato77 Hopeless wouldn't make a good Mayor even if he's Mason. Which he probably is, since why would scum fakeclaim Mason now? It'd just be high risk no reward. | ||
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It's true that I haven't PM'd with you since the earlier D1. Same thing with thrawn actually. There were so many PM discussions ongoing + thread discussion too that I never got to PM you for a while. You could have initiated a topic as well though. Honestly I lost some interest in your opinions after you claimed to be disinterested in running for Mayor and overall started with a passive style. What do you think of rayn as Mayor? Apparently yamato gave up, although he was my preference. Derrida is indeed scummy. He has shown zero interest in scumhunting, made a really easy-to-fake listpost and just folded under pressure. I'm more puzzled about such suchdoge than suspicious at the moment. Was your only interaction with him the one you mentioned in thread? Why would suchdoge just completely leave the thread and draw suspicion for no good reason as scum? Have you PM'd with VE? For some reason VE hasn't responded to me despite posting in the thread. He also seems to suspect you/Mocsta (according to PM's with Aquanim) without any shared reasoning. Has he told you? | ||
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I asked about rayn since I'd consider him a better option than you. Just wanted to know your opinion of him. I also just had a worrying thought: what if you were scum and playing around the fact that you claimed you would definitely run for Mayor as scum? By appearing hesitant at first, it would fit your town meta better to run for Mayor later on. I think you'd be capable of such a plan as scum. What about my questions about suchdoge and VE, marv? | ||
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Who I have PM'd but have yet to receive a response: VE, jat Which logs would you want? | ||
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On January 12 2014 22:35 marvellosity wrote: All day one-sidedly? You didn't send me one at all yesterday :p I've PMed a little with VE but not much, he's extremely passive. And I've spoken more with suchdoge yes, that's just what I didn't like. I dunno about him so much. what's with your silly wifom about running for mayor? it's literally not worth it for me to wifom about it when I could just... RUN FOR MAYOR. lol! Think it through. I could either use weak wifom to strengthen my point which I don't care about, or I could just run in the first place. That's really dumb xata. I meant "day" as in D1. Yesterday was more busy than the beginning of D1 and I had to cut some corners in my time usage on Mafia. Could you post your logs with suchdoge+VE? In your position as scum I would definitely proceed like that. Maybe I like to WIFOM my filter as scum more than average, but it still seems like a decent plan. What's bad about doing that? You eliminate meta suspicions, appear more like your town meta, and have more time to formulate a plan for becoming Mayor. It just seems good all around. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + It's actually been a while. We haven't been in contact after the start of the day. Would you care to share your reasoning for having me in your "naughty list"? I agree with Derrida and Koshi though. Derrida opened with an easy-to-fake and useless listpost, has had zero interest in finding scum, has similarities with his last scumgame and now folds under pressure. Koshi has played so lazy and useless that he's probably not town. He's capable of much better. Only thing I'm unsure about is that he played a very active scumgame in Nuclear Winter Mafia, and he was very hard to catch, but here he's almost too scummy. I'm puzzled by suchdoge's disappearance as well as VE's PM behaviour. VE hasn't answered my PM's and apparently suspects marv/Mocsta in his PM's with Aquanim, yet shares no reasoning. Have you PM'd with VE? BH is almost certainly a Mason or even if he isn't, a fakeclaim will be found out later on. So I guess my suspicions about BH are pretty much useless to talk about now. Original Message From thrawn2112: Hi again, I'd like an up to date version of your thoughts on the game, and am wondrin if you have any reads you'd like to talk about? jat: + Show Spoiler + You've pretty much shared no reads in the thread and even posted this: "Well the reason for this is probably that some of those reads were indeed formed on the spot. I did not think deeply about all of the persons on your list and had to think about what my actual opinion on some of them is." How involved in finding scum are you really? Who are your 3 top scumreads? VE: + Show Spoiler + Why did you never reply to my PM despite posting in the thread? Apparently you suspect marv/Mocsta? Do you have any reasoning for that? rayn: + Show Spoiler + You never answered to my latest PM? Mostly about the possible faults with a massclaim. What do you think of marv as Mayor? Have you PM'd with VE? Aquanim: + Show Spoiler + I just had a worrying thought about marv. He claimed to me earlier that he would definitely run for Mayor as scum. Then he referenced an earlier game where he was hesitant to run for Mayor as town. What if he planned around that by being hesitant at first and then running anyway as scum? He's a skilled player so I don't think it would be impossible for him to think of a plan like that. Then there's also the fact of his very passive responses in PM's earlier. Otherwise he's felt towny, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to completely trust him yet. Original Message From Aquanim: Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you about JAT that it's probably better to give him more time. I'm getting the definite impression that his early-game is weak. I've seen nothing more from VE than what I posted in the thread. It seems entirely unlike his towngame to be this reticient, but it's conceivable he's making some big play in PMs or some such. In any case he's probably a bad lynch today on the "don't-lynch-vets-day-1 principle" so I'm happy to let that lie for now. I'd love to have a more confident lynch than Derrida but at this point it's looking like he's the best lynch and not too terrible a choice. D'you have a read on Marv? My guess is he's town - I'm not certain, but I'd prefer to take that risk (in terms of handing out mayor) than to go with the guaranteed clusterf*** that a Rayn mayoralty would be. (The only game I've played with him was Back to the Basics in which he royally screwed the town over as town. He and I don't have a high opinion of one another, if you haven't noticed that already.) Hide nested quote - Original Message From Xatalos: jat has mostly posted one-liners about random stuff and hasn't appeared to focus on scumhunting so far. I also really dislike this post: "Well the reason for this is probably that some of those reads were indeed formed on the spot. I did not think deeply about all of the persons on your list and had to think about what my actual opinion on some of them is." Reactive much? Still, apparently he's a slow starter, so I think it's better to wait for him to start doing stuff. I think I'll chat with him soon to see if he's more transparent in PM's. It's actually kind of funny that I started suspecting you a bit earlier and people similarly told me that you're a slow starter. And now you've started posting quite a bit. I like most of your later posts so maybe the same will be true for jat as well. Apparently BH is Mason...? Well, at least he won't be a distraction anymore then. Derrida definitely seems scummy from his (short) filter. 1) Zero interest in scumhunting 2) easy to fake listpost 3) similarities with his previous scumgame 4) folding under pressure. I'm curious about VE. He hasn't responded to my PM's (despite me PM'ing him long before I went to sleep) and I have no idea what he's doing in PM land. Looking at your discussion with him he thinks Mocsta and marv are scum? Has there been any reasoning for that? Original Message From Aquanim: Heya, I'd like to have a bit of a chat with you. As a starting point, what's your read on justanothertownie so far and why? If you have anything you'd like to ask me, go ahead. cheers ~Aqua | ||
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o: Aquanim [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: LXIV - let's have a chat Date: 1/12/14 22:17 rayn: To: raynpelikoneet [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Mayor? Date: 1/12/14 21:48 VE: To: VisceraEyes [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: ?? Date: 1/12/14 21:41 jat: To: justanothertownie [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Your reads? Date: 1/12/14 21:40 thrawn: To: thrawn2112 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: hey Date: 1/12/14 21:32 | ||
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On January 12 2014 22:52 marvellosity wrote: But you said you've been PMing "a lot" since you woke up which is why you didn't message me yet like you were planning stop bullshitting me please ....What? I've been PM'ing a lot considering the amount of time I've been at my computer so far. What does the absolute amount of my PM's today have to do with anything? That's just bad. | ||
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On January 12 2014 22:59 marvellosity wrote: You literally used it as an excuse for not PMing me yet... 1) I was PM'ing with 5 people already during like 20-30min 2) I was just writing a PM to you 3) You make a big post questioning why I haven't PM'd you for a while 4) I decide to post in thread instead What's so hard to understand? I'm really unimpressed with you so far. | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:02 suchdoge wrote: still doesn't explain why his reasoning changed from "I pmed a lot from when I woke up" to "I meant start of day 1" which sounds like a lie to me. Read again... | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:04 marvellosity wrote: I don't care if you're unimpressed by me so far. That says more about you than it does me. Elaborate? | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:05 marvellosity wrote: I look fine and if you don't see that you're bad or mafia Well, your earlier PM's were lackluster and you've been passive until recently. I want to hear further reads from you besides Derrida/suchdoge. How am I supposed to trust you if I don't even know what you think? | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:08 marvellosity wrote: Screw that anyway. Tell me a couple people you want to lynch right now? Derrida, Koshi, maybe VE. Derrida has been making a slight effort to appear townish, while actually contributing nothing. Then he just folded under pressure and now is apparently leaving the game. Koshi has been really unimpressive so far and his play just seems like lazy scum. VE hasn't responded to my PM and apparently barely responded with an unreasoned suspicion of Mocsta/you to Aquanim. | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:16 marvellosity wrote: Can you tell me how you reconcile saying "marv's play has been really unimpressive so far" with telling Aquanim "marv has felt townie"? Unimpressive != scummy. I'd say you're capable of impressive logic as either alignment. Besides, you're leaving out the "otherwise" from my post to Aquanim. I think your play regarding BH was townish, for example. You could just have hidden your blueread and killed him at night as scum. | ||
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On January 12 2014 23:22 marvellosity wrote: If you think I'm townie, why are you totally uninterested in me as mayor and want to elect rayn? I'm more confident in rayn being town than you. Besides, I think he might be the better player in light of some of your plays so far. He's very proactive and clearly focused on scumhunting all game. | ||
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