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On December 15 2013 04:28 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 04:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 15 2013 04:24 Grackaroni wrote:On December 15 2013 04:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 15 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:On December 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Grackaroni i have a problem because as i have said since D1 i think both Xatalos/Artanis fall into the same category and i dunno which one is scum and which one is not.  I think I'd be happy lynching either one really. If one flips town its ok. I guarantee one of them will be scum. What the? I could lynch you for this post right now. you won't trade 1 for 1? The blatant disregard for who is actually scum shows a lack of townie mindset to me, and contrasts with the effort you just put in to analyze Xatalos, which is strange if you believe only one of me/Xatalos is scum and you having a scum read on Xatalos earlier. Instantly backtracking on that and not giving a shit looks like shit to me. I've tried to figure it out and you both look like scum.
Do you think a scenario where we're both scum is likely? If not, do you think giving up on finding out our alignment is a protown thing to do?
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Could we get a votecount?
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On December 15 2013 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +-Threw shit on everyone until he found someone that it stuck on, showing disregard for who gets lynched as long as it isn't him. Is till think this can be interpreted as forcing discussion aswell. Is there anything particular that makes you think mafia would stick their neck out like that so early in the game for no reason? Xatalos was the main person to start discussion.
I don't think he stuck his neck out because all his questions put the pressure on other players rather than himself. He's creating pressure rather than allowing pressure to be put on himself.
Show nested quote +-Switches up to Spaghetticus despite half his projected scumteam voting for Spaghetti. I don't think this is as scummy as it looks like, unless Vayne is mafia, which i do not believe. However i think this point does not make Xatalos scum.
This is the fluffiest post to be honest, but it doesn't look good in combination with the rest of the points. I don't know if Vayne is mafia, but from what I've seen I wouldn't mind a lynch on him.
Show nested quote +-Makes a post with a big push on me, then goes on with the order of the day. Doesn't force anyone to pay attention to the case he made. He brings it up sometimes but in a very casual way and doesn't force people to look at it when it's ignored.
-Wishy-Washy thing on me made absolutely no sense when he had a wishy-washy stance on me himself. I'm the scapegoat for his plans. He doesn't actually wants to lynch me because he knows I'll flip green, so he finds any reason he can to try and paint me red. The worse the reason, the better as it won't actually convince anyone. Yeah D2 is a clusterfuck from him, but then again i don't think anyone else has done much either. Basically nearly all the people fall into same category on D2, including you.  Ugh, Artanis how would you feel about xigxag lynch?
Why xigxag over someone like Purple? When Xig has posted, he's actually given reasoned reads. Do you find anything actually scummy in his filter?
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On December 15 2013 04:49 JarJarDrinks wrote:BTW, How bad does all this disagreement make these Kush posts look? Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 06:45 kushm4sta wrote:
too late bh because this game is already near solved Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 06:59 kushm4sta wrote:
i said near solved.
2 scum have been caught IMO. Show nested quote +On December 14 2013 07:06 kushm4sta wrote:
i dare you to tell me lsb and xatalos aren't scum. I already said that these posts look contrived but man, even if he truly believes that "2 scum have been caught" (though I don't know how), how can he say something like the game is almost solved when the entire town is is such disagreement. I wouldn't mind a Kush lynch. His vote for spag after totally defending is one of the scummiest things to happen this game and his explaination was weak @ best.
I've flipped my Kush read more times than a thai ladyboy during holiday seasons. He's once again basically said he wants to lynch (LSB) for information, and he's apathetic. Despite Xigxag's reasons for him being town for downplaying his influence on purpose I'm not sure that's a strong enough reason, as it also reduces your accountability and therefore makes it easier to skate by.
However, his read evaluation on me changing to Xatalos makes me feel better on him. When Xatalos flips and he flips scum that'd make Kush look better to me. He could've easily joined the bandwagon on me, but didn't. I don't really want Kush to die today.
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Can we not lynch Xatalos instead? Pretty please?
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On December 15 2013 05:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is everyone thinking purple is scummy but noone wants to lynch him?
I'd be happy to lynch him. I just want to lynch Xatalos more. Going through his filter right now though. He said this to Corazon:
You are "confirmed" town. There has been no counterclaim. You have the greatest motive to have shot HolyFlare, you claim to have done it and an "ass-bullet" has been reported. All these things point to you being confirmed town. Despite all this, Plutarch is STILL townier than you are, and he's only semi-confirmed.
This makes no sense. You can't be townier than confirmed town. I share his townread on Plutarch, but his absolute certainty is alarming. I remembered that Xigxag made a post regarding a town read on Purple, but after actually reading through the case it suggests scum more than town to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2013 07:07 xigxag wrote:Barney the purple dinosaurShow nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Worst post in thread. ##Vote: purpletrator Kusplain? Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote. Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow. Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok? You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"? To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy. On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:Missed this post On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf? Ya, sure. Reveal please! It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch. ##Vote: LSB Barney's inability to recognize the joke in LSB's post worries me. The self conscious way he reacts to an early throw away vote suggests scum to me. No townie reads LSB's post and thinks "oh no! He is going to lynch me for being a smurf! Must OMGus!" Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:37 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 07:29 LSB wrote:Btw for those of you who claim that every game I don't have a plan in I'm a scum, here's a plan Notice this post On December 10 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
As the OP states "possible roles";
Is every role guaranteed to be in a game?
Can there be more than 1 of any role?
Is the SK guaranteed to be in the game? Notice the lack of millers. This setup is vulnerable to the follow the DT plan where the DT claims and the medics heal him every night. Since flips are open, we just need to make sure we don't accidentally lynch our DT and medic and hypothetically speaking we will have a massive advantage later on in this game where follow the DT shines. Btw DT/Medic plz don't claim. Unless you are about to be lynched. Jim Raynor (Roleblocker)
-You're not a Zerg, but you sure as hell hate the UED. Or actually you don't, but Kerrigan is a master at pussywhipping, so you just tag along with her shenanigans and think (because you're told to) you hate the UED.
Once per night you can silence a player since you're human looking enough to convince them to put the gun/medicgun/magnifying glass down. [/plan] If we lynch a roleblocker we can look at playing follow the cop I guess I do really like this post in some ways while I don't like it in others. bullet points good things: 1 shutting down bad plans 2 simplicity, doesn't try to grab town cred with this post bad things: 1. shuts down a plan based on a possible scum role 2. is very aware of scum PRs. Barney is either well versed in OP reading or is scum. Your guess is as good as mine. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:46 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 08:42 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 08:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ya like i said im lurk strating. have no opinions on anything so dont even bother to ask.
Alright then. If it's going to be like this, I don't want you alive at LYLO. Start doing something or die. ##Vote kushm4sta Can we appeal to the vig(s) to shoot kush and/or slam for us? missed this on my first read through. I hate hate hate hate hate hate this play. Vigis are better than this. I'd think. Though I'd prefer either of the above players be gone over our doc. Whatever. Without solid reasons for either why they are scum or why town is better off without them all Barney does is try to direct town KP towards, probable, townies over it being directed at scum. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:55 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 08:53 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, purple, your filter is pretty lackluster so far. What have you been doing for all this time? Actively lurking? i went to look at LSB's old games, only actually looked at PYP which is still ongoing and decided I'd seen enough to unvote him. What the shit is this? Why look at a game from an un-flipped player? Reading alignments from that game is totally useless unless the player is dead in said game in which case the read is still tenuous. Why even bring this up in thread? No reason at all. Therefore scummy. Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 13:47 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 13:38 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 13:34 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 13:21 Plutarch wrote:Purple I would like you to explain the issue you had with my statement clearly. What is lackluster about stating you would rather lynch scum than lurkers in the context of a conversation about lurker policy? On December 10 2013 06:33 purpletrator wrote:On December 10 2013 06:30 Xatalos wrote:On December 10 2013 06:27 purpletrator wrote:
I am a civilian. To my great dismay, my blood is not purple.
Plutarch, what distinguishes "scum" from "coin-flip"? I'd assume he means that lurker = coin-flip. Did you ask merely out of curiosity or for what reason? It was a pretty lackluster statement to make. I want to know if there was any meat to the meaning behind "coin-flip", because its an empty phrase, much like things like WIFOM and scumslip. Empty buzzwords that don't actually find scum but look like you want to find them. It wasnt explicit that you equated coinflip to lurker. It was also a crock of shit in the sense that you cant know with certainty scum vs coinflip. If you want to call it policy, do that. It was pretty clear. I also believe you can know scum with such a high probability that it is almost certain, so it really isn't a crock of shit. Regardless I don't see the point in attacking that post at all. What were you trying to gain from doing so? Well since you understood your own post, of course you wont see a point to attacking it. I think it was fake, I just dont know if it was fake or fake this post! This post says nothing! It accuses while it backtracks. If Barney thought that Plutarch was scum he could act on that. If he thought Plu was town he could act on that. But he does neither. He simply says that the post is a lie. Barney's post is a lie, it has no town motivation. There is no reason to post this except to appear as if you are thinking about the game. The above post is a total waste of space. An IGMEOY with added fluff. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:56 purpletrator wrote:
So kush you wont tell me why you had/have me as town? I do like this post. I like a player who niggles at the little things that don't make sense even when those little things benefit the player. This is a more minor point because it is in relation to Kush and not someone whose opinion would be valued by others but it does provide some suggestion of a townie dinosaur. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote:On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata: On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case. I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes This too suggests town. An insignificant detail which is being niggled at for all the right reasons. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:18 purpletrator wrote:
cora better have notes....
##Unvote: Corazon
##Vote: Spaghetticus ...I was so ready to say that this dino was a town dino. Now I'm not sure. Although it seems that Cora was no longer a possible lynch. So I can get behind Purple being probably town. so far since I began my reread: VayneCoagpurpletrator Corazon - vig
I will get behind a Purple lynch if a Xatalos lynch is not possible.
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Alakaslam,
On December 15 2013 03:37 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i just wrote a fucking big case on Artanis it took like an hour and then i clicked on X.
FUCK THIS!
Lynch Artanis. He is scum.
1) His reasoning on Xatalos being scum is still the same that on D1. Nothing has changed, he hasn't taken a different approach on getting him lynched while it's clear the D1 won't work (as Xatalos was not lynched on D1). He is not really trying to lynch Xatalos.
2) He calls multiple people scummy or bad and discredits them. Read the last couple of pages in his filter. Me, kush, Grack, Vayne (+ he has the contradicting read on him in the same post). Also his read on Cora changes weirdly in the middle of N1. He has no intention to figure out any of those people's alignment, he just calls them scummy or bad and does not even explain the reasoning behind it. Just look at his filter, people have "extra info" or "are working under scum mindset" but never he explains why.
3) He calls nearly all the Spaghetticus votes bad, but then he hadn't even read how the votes went down and why as he couldn't explain which votes in particularly were bad. Then he just paints them as bad and doesn't look more into them but magically Xatalos' voting behavior ends up in his case. There is no reason Xatalos' vote should have been any more scummy than other "bad votes".
He is not trying to find scum and just calling people scummy or bad left and right and not explaining why.
Definitely mafia. I don't like lynching vayne, i am pretty sure he is town. LSB is a bad lynch too i think, he's playing better than he did in PYP at least post-qualitywise. He is explaining his reads and while the methods are a bit... interesting, i don't think there is anything scummy in it.
Artanis is the best lynch today.
##Vote: Artanis Imma bout ready to do this instead, Let's see what else is said.
Did you get to any conclusions from the reread?
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On December 15 2013 05:13 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 05:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Alakaslam, On December 15 2013 03:37 Alakaslam wrote:On December 15 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i just wrote a fucking big case on Artanis it took like an hour and then i clicked on X.
FUCK THIS!
Lynch Artanis. He is scum.
1) His reasoning on Xatalos being scum is still the same that on D1. Nothing has changed, he hasn't taken a different approach on getting him lynched while it's clear the D1 won't work (as Xatalos was not lynched on D1). He is not really trying to lynch Xatalos.
2) He calls multiple people scummy or bad and discredits them. Read the last couple of pages in his filter. Me, kush, Grack, Vayne (+ he has the contradicting read on him in the same post). Also his read on Cora changes weirdly in the middle of N1. He has no intention to figure out any of those people's alignment, he just calls them scummy or bad and does not even explain the reasoning behind it. Just look at his filter, people have "extra info" or "are working under scum mindset" but never he explains why.
3) He calls nearly all the Spaghetticus votes bad, but then he hadn't even read how the votes went down and why as he couldn't explain which votes in particularly were bad. Then he just paints them as bad and doesn't look more into them but magically Xatalos' voting behavior ends up in his case. There is no reason Xatalos' vote should have been any more scummy than other "bad votes".
He is not trying to find scum and just calling people scummy or bad left and right and not explaining why.
Definitely mafia. I don't like lynching vayne, i am pretty sure he is town. LSB is a bad lynch too i think, he's playing better than he did in PYP at least post-qualitywise. He is explaining his reads and while the methods are a bit... interesting, i don't think there is anything scummy in it.
Artanis is the best lynch today.
##Vote: Artanis Imma bout ready to do this instead, Let's see what else is said. Did you get to any conclusions from the reread? Of what you have said so far? What do you mean? What did I reread and why do you think I'm rereading it?
"Imma bout ready to do this instead" suggests action.
"Let's see what else is said." suggests reading.
I was hoping you came to conclusions from said reading and entered action mode from it.
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I'm willing to sheep JJD as well if it comes to Vayne/LSB. I like his case and haven't found anything particularly scummy on LSB.
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Host already indicated that he wasn't going to be around at deadline so I doubt we'll get any votecounts until deadline.
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With 30 minutes I don't think Purple or Xatalos is going to happen. Consider me a +1 on either of those trains if they manage to take off though.
##Unvote
##Vote: VayneAuthority
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On December 15 2013 05:35 Grackaroni wrote:
I haven't seen any reasoning given for Purple being scum.
Have you read his filter, Rayn's case on him, or anything relating to him whatsoever?
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On December 15 2013 05:41 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 05:40 Alakaslam wrote:
ALRIGHT LOOK.
Would the xata pair and rate just consolidate on xigxag please? Because Blazinghand? I could do this. xigxag has been scummy since day one.
##unvote:
##Vote: Xigxag
What do you find scummy in his filter?
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On December 15 2013 05:44 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 05:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 15 2013 05:41 Plutarch wrote:On December 15 2013 05:40 Alakaslam wrote:
ALRIGHT LOOK.
Would the xata pair and rate just consolidate on xigxag please? Because Blazinghand? I could do this. xigxag has been scummy since day one.
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##Vote: Xigxag What do you find scummy in his filter? Read my case on him from day one? or the follow up I posted?
I'm scrolling through your filter and I can't find your case. Please enlighten me on which page. I'm sure I've read it before. If you mean this post:
On December 10 2013 16:22 Plutarch wrote:
Basically what you are saying is that even though your reasoning is flawed and you cannot provide better reasoning, your reasoning for him being town is good. And my reasoning for him being null is bad. Yet you cannot state why other than mentioning some non-specific facts of the game.
I am more than aware of the differences in a scum and town mindset and I am telling you that there is no way you can tell. Do I think he is scum? I don't know. Do I think he is town? I don't know. And neither should you.
Further, I have played in many games with kush and I can tell you that he is more than capable of this style of play as both alignments.
What is odd though, is that you are defending a town read that is at best a large stretch to the hilt. And time and again people who provide town reads that I cant quite understand and who aren't able to provide solid reasons for those reads are scum.
This kush read is very scummy.
Then I don't think that's very convincing. You're basically saying that you don't see what he sees in it. This happens between townies all the time. If it didn't this game would be pretty easy.
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Okay let's do shennanies.
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##Vote: Purpletrator
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On December 15 2013 05:51 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 05:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 15 2013 05:44 Plutarch wrote:On December 15 2013 05:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 15 2013 05:41 Plutarch wrote:On December 15 2013 05:40 Alakaslam wrote:
ALRIGHT LOOK.
Would the xata pair and rate just consolidate on xigxag please? Because Blazinghand? I could do this. xigxag has been scummy since day one.
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##Vote: Xigxag What do you find scummy in his filter? Read my case on him from day one? or the follow up I posted? I'm scrolling through your filter and I can't find your case. Please enlighten me on which page. I'm sure I've read it before. If you mean this post: On December 10 2013 16:22 Plutarch wrote:
Basically what you are saying is that even though your reasoning is flawed and you cannot provide better reasoning, your reasoning for him being town is good. And my reasoning for him being null is bad. Yet you cannot state why other than mentioning some non-specific facts of the game.
I am more than aware of the differences in a scum and town mindset and I am telling you that there is no way you can tell. Do I think he is scum? I don't know. Do I think he is town? I don't know. And neither should you.
Further, I have played in many games with kush and I can tell you that he is more than capable of this style of play as both alignments.
What is odd though, is that you are defending a town read that is at best a large stretch to the hilt. And time and again people who provide town reads that I cant quite understand and who aren't able to provide solid reasons for those reads are scum.
This kush read is very scummy.
Then I don't think that's very convincing. You're basically saying that you don't see what he sees in it. This happens between townies all the time. If it didn't this game would be pretty easy. You clearly haven't read day one properly at all...
Or I have bad memory. Anyway, looks like it won't matter as xig isn't getting lynched regardless.
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On December 15 2013 06:03 Plutarch wrote:
Shut Up. Fuck you guys are rude.
This comment feels pretty ironic tbh.
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On December 15 2013 06:06 Xatalos wrote:
LOL nice. This at least means rayn has to be town.
And me for bringing up Purple when Rayn wanted to lynch Xigxag. Only false if Xigxag is also scum.
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On December 15 2013 06:10 Plutarch wrote:
I think grack looks bad because of this also.
And Rayn, Blazinghand and I are obv town now. That is an OP lineup.
Actually, this is false. You're obv not scum. Only Blazinghand is conf town because he's vig.
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