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On December 11 2013 06:13 Grackaroni wrote: Wait what. I didn't skate by for having terrible ideas in LXIII. I skated by for bussing half my team lol. Well yeah, what I mean is you skated by with trolling because you happened to bus half your team as well. HF, I see a case that makes Bum hypocritical and bad, but not scum. I'd also appreciate it if scum stopped trying to get me lynched. It's not happening today Xata. I'm not scum for doubting my read. | ||
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On December 11 2013 07:59 Holyflare wrote: For a player that is trying to get people to play town in an optimal way do you not think it strange that he choses to be hypocritical on a person that is coming under heavy pressure? No, I just think he's bad and hasn't read properly. | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:05 Holyflare wrote: He has more overall posts than you do, don't you think he could town better than that at that point? Post counts say nothing. Rayn posted a shitton during LXIII but he got lynched as town whereas I shot scum and suspected a second. I haven't seen anything that makes me think of bum as scum rather than bad. | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:14 Holyflare wrote: How can you possibly talk all about pushing scum agenda's in regards to Xatalos but whenever another person that displays blatant contradictions to his own actions appears it's downplayed to being bad/hotheaded? Why couldn't Xatalos be bad? Scum agenda is to push people off others with reasoning that appeases people, a player went actively against their own conditions to do this and it's just because he is bad? Since when do contradictions make someone scum? I contradict myself all the time. It's scum that are worried about contradicting themselves because they don't know if they can explain it. I feel like you're searching for scum in the wrong way and nothing you posted in your analysis leads me to believe that he is scum. | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:19 Holyflare wrote: I don't think you understand. Contradictions in a normal play such as changing a read is fine, that can be seen as towny. However, almost half of his posts actively STATE that he dislikes to use meta but then he defends a player - who has a lot of votes - based on them using meta, whereas previously he dismissed everyone that has used it. That is an unacceptable contradiction. Okay, that's different, you're right. If you had summarized your case in this manner I'd have followed your thought process more clearly. I'll reread bum's filter and see for myself. | ||
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Won't be there for much of tomorrow but I'll try to be there at deadline. | ||
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On December 11 2013 08:34 Alakaslam wrote: Spaghetticus... Your handle, coupled with your posts this time about, remind me of the stuff I would gladly remove from my freezer, before I discovered I was a celiac... I never liked my food frozen, however. See, I was loth to use a microwave for this reason. Time... To burn. Fires of the Titanic, unite! ##Vote: Spaghetticus While I like who you voted, I would like to hear the reasons why you voted for him. Not to be a buzzkill, but preferably in a serious manner. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Spaghetticus | ||
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On December 12 2013 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think purple comes out suspicious of voting for Spag. He clearly wanted to lynch Cora and consolidated on a target he felt was more scummy. I liked his thought process on what he said about Cora, especially about the notes. Artanis on the other hand... The first notion of Spag in his filter is the second last post of his before the vote.. This: I am pretty sure Artanis is scum. He's far better than this as town. Hey I'm back, also this is wrong. I mentioned him earlier. On December 11 2013 05:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think Grack is too dumb to be scum. No sane scum would try to go after Rayn right now. He's wrong about Xatalos but I like the point on Spaghetticus in that he seems to try to look like he's contributing without contributing. In LXIII I instantly had a rock solid town read on him because he was too paranoid about everyone and mistrusting everything. The post Grack quoted of him shows a completely different approach to the game than he had in LXIII. Instead of being full of uncertainty and paranoia, he assaults Corazon and calls him bad rather than scum. He's being more carefree this game and overall less suspicious. Dun like it. This was before anyone was on spaghetti, but the attempt at misrepresenting my filter is appreciated. | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare why exactly do you think Artanis' vote on Spag had some reasoning? That was definitely the scummiest vote on D1 of all of them. You really aren't reading are you? | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:40 Xatalos wrote: What's there to read? You barely mentioned Spag and then eagerly locked your vote on him. Do you even have reasoning for your vote? Have you opened my filter or did you just presume what Rayn said was correct? I even quoted it again earlier. | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are right. You also had at least one post earlier where you state you find Spag's posting townie. You never try to do anything with that suspicion, and you definitely did not care about the lynch on D1. So you opened my filter and you managed to miss the post WHICH I QUOTED AGAIN again? Are you trying to make me angry? Here it is a third time for your convenience. On December 11 2013 05:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think Grack is too dumb to be scum. No sane scum would try to go after Rayn right now. He's wrong about Xatalos but I like the point on Spaghetticus in that he seems to try to look like he's contributing without contributing. In LXIII I instantly had a rock solid town read on him because he was too paranoid about everyone and mistrusting everything. The post Grack quoted of him shows a completely different approach to the game than he had in LXIII. Instead of being full of uncertainty and paranoia, he assaults Corazon and calls him bad rather than scum. He's being more carefree this game and overall less suspicious. Dun like it. I couldn't care about the lynch on D1 past the first 24 hours because I was out all day. I saw one of the people I found suspicious being voted a lot when I checked in briefly so I switched my vote. I could've also just peaced out all day and leave my vote on Xatalos and make it meaningless. Do you think that would be less suspicious? | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:44 Holyflare wrote: Stop arguing about this needless crap, you are arguing with the person who you think is scummy, what good will that do? Artanis what do you think of my points on cora now? You seemed to be coming around to the idea that he was getting more and more scummy when I interacted with you earlier. I don't think Cora and Xatalos are likely to be scum together. I find Xatalos highly likely to be scum. If Xata turns out to somehow be town then maybe. He definitely doesn't look good. | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:48 Holyflare wrote: Well what do you think about the points. In detail please. Ever since making a massive case on a town BC as town in LXI I don't believe in big cases anymore. There's few things that separate someone from being bad and being scum. I can see Cora simply being defensive in saying that he has notes as a way to relieve pressure. Discrepancies like calling Spag, purple, and VA his biggest 3 reads then those not being the same three in his notes leads me to believe he's being careless, not scum. Scum aren't careless. I don't have meta experience with Cora. You say you remember him playing differently in a town game, being far more proactive. This is only relevant if he's rolled scum and played differently in that regard. Have you played a game with scum Cora, and is it similar to this one? His vote on Spaghetti is bad, but if everyone that voted poorly was scum we'd have a lotta scum this game. | ||
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On December 12 2013 20:57 Xatalos wrote: It's still more likely for scum to vote poorly than for town. What kind of a defense is that? Actually if we look at LXIII scum voted a lot better than town. Being right or wrong has no bearing on your alignment. | ||
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On December 12 2013 21:01 Holyflare wrote: you're wrong, the entire scum team could be found by analysing the BC wagon What I mean is that being correct doesn't mean you're more or less likely to be scum. It's more complicated then that. On December 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Artanis who exaclty in your opinion voted poorly? Anyone joining in on the bandwagon despite having a townread on Spaghetti before the bandwagon began. I haven't gone back to check out who yet. | ||
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Wasn't your list incomplete? You said so yourself that you hadn't checked it yet for some. On December 12 2013 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you haven't done that yet how can you say "a lot of people" as you seem to not know if there were a lot of people or not? When so many people voted for Spaghetti despite only one person voting for him early on and that being Alakaslam, you can be pretty sure about it. | ||
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