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B: Nobody will buy it. A: Let's make normal nasus look INCREDIBLY shitty, his portrait, his model, all his kills, just really make them all blueish purple and hideous. B: Okay. INFERNAL NASUS SELLING LIKE HOTSCAKES. | ||
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(Remember, the abilities listed here are roughly half of what each Champion is capable of!) I took this to mean that not ALL champion abilities are known.So I think we're safe banning out abilities that are ALWAYS anti-town, but we can't rely on banning out a certain thing meaning that it cannot exist. | ||
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##vote: Yorick Plus NOBODY has fun playing against yorick. | ||
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Karthus is very very likely to stay a stump or a ghost for a cycle after dying. Kinda nice. Soraka maybe has a large heal/all heal? Ahri might have dmg or a forceable redirect (charm). The redirect wouldn't fit hider though. A lot of champs have item/trap checking abilities, but we don't see TONS of items/traps. Maybe teemo can set shrooms on players and they blow up if someone crosses that person on the player list. The only other likely thing for him is the ability to blind/RB a player. Stuff like that. Also, On December 01 2013 13:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Are we...on opposite teams? Or just fighting for NUMBAH WAN ICHIBAN ADC this game?Austinmcc is my rival acd. Feedcarry time. | ||
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I think it's a fine plan but not in this situation. It's great in theory but in practice it is so horribly likely to work like the optimal case, and the main reason for that is that people are people and not that mafia will twirl their moustaches and screw up the plan. | ||
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JAT 'n' odin get townie points for asking LSB why bum not "following his plan" is super duper scummy. I don't get why saying you're going to pick some SUPER OBVIOUS role with KP and then not taking it makes you scum. [spoiler] On December 03 2013 07:11 justanothertownie wrote: So you picked Tryndamere because it is a power role? I would have bought it if you said you picked it to confirm it is in the game but you are dead last on the draft list so besides that there is absolutely no reason to pick a scummy role. Where is the scum motivation for what Bum did? I don't see it. If his claim to pick Tryndamere made people look elsewhere that's pro town in my eyes. On December 03 2013 12:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: You are 100% sure Bum is scum because he said he was going to pick trynd.... and didn't? LSB I don't want to lynch because he poosh his stuff way way way too hard. + Show Spoiler [Also his confirmation plan is sillypants] + However, his magical "I'ma spin x distance and that will confirm me yayayayaya" is bad idea because (1) nobody cares if he's tryndamere or not (sry, ain't nobody sitting going "HOLY BALLS LSB IS WAY TOO FOCUSED ON TRYNDAMERE AND SAYING HE'S TRYNDAMERE. I BET LIKE HELL HE REALLY ISN'T TRYNDAMERE, I'M TOTES GONNA CATCH HIM WHEN HE CAN'T DO TRYND STUFF); and (2) nothing confirms you as tryndamere (other known roles let people move around the list, other unknown roles probably do as well, and we have no way of confirming how much kp spinning slash actually deals. Therefore, moving and doing some damage just means you have a role that moves and does damage, probably trynd, possibly other things, but again nobody cares and don't spin on townies) Sand looks very townie just based on this - + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2013 20:41 sandroba wrote: Picks out a read, gives a thoughtful reason why he disagrees, and I agree with his assessment of Kha'zix being a decently high mafia pick if they go for it. Mainly though it's just coming by reads from thinking about the game as a whole.I like your list, with exception of gtrs. The fact that he tried to take kasix and I believe mafia would have taken kasix pretty high is holding some weight for me. I would sub in ticklish for him. i THINK this post is townie from bum, like...bum can't be scum because of it, but someone needs to argue with me On December 03 2013 11:54 bumatlarge wrote: Asking for a partial partial claim (VTs should claim but only this kind of VT) feels like someone who is actually thinking about why he does/doesn't want people to claim. Also, it seems like PYP games often catch some mafia by hunting down a missing role above a VT. Given that this usually works in town's favor from what I remember, I think this post is town. Yar? I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public. Don't want to lynch bum. This post is very townie-minded. Even if the rest of his filter is poopy, this keeps information hidden from scum - On December 03 2013 11:54 bumatlarge wrote: I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public. I had MZ picked out as scummy from the way he was going after LSB. Going to reread MZ and a couple other folks, and will look at Jay now that he's come up, but I don't want to lynch any leading candidate. | ||
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I don't think bum is mafia. That post of his on VTs too town. I'd love to lynch rean. Rean's BttB filter has ... real posts in it. Thoughts, reads - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582&user=Rean His filter this game does not have real posts. There are also...strange things: On December 01 2013 05:42 Rean wrote: (Put aside that this post is made while he wants graves to get banned, but has his vote on yorick, who is DEFINITELY GONNA GET BANNED. But he doesn't move a vote off yorick to try and get graves, the guy he's saying should be banned, definitely banned)If we don't ban Graves all investigations might aswell be useless because they could just be framed. KP roles are not good in the hands of scum either but there's more important bans to be made (Graves/Yorick) Says On December 04 2013 06:39 Rean wrote: but hasn't said anything about ANYONE townie or scummy, despite his game plan being to find a townie and sheep em.I'm not actively reading the thread, just happened to be around at the time. And it really annoyed me that apparently it's okay to tell others to kill themselves over a fucking game. ATM I don't have any opinions on anyone, didn't really read that much of the thread. Prolly gonna find someone that looks town enough and go full sheep. There's just no interaction from today to go off of, despite him saying his goal is to find a townie. I was super duper inactive for the banning stuff, have not read, but out of filters I've seen, his banning phase looks...very funky. It's not just a lack of planning, it's the fact that he says KP roles are bad for mafia and the fact that he really wants graves banned, instead of someone (i dunno who else was up for discussion), and as best I can tell he keeps his vote on Yorick the whole time, who is 100% getting banned, and never bothers to back up his ban graves ban graves schtick with a vote to help ban graves, that could easily be spared off the yorick ban. MZ in another post. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, that's fine. I really hated that he went through post after post after post to argue about your alignment, how many games you've played together, all these things you do as town and why you're town, then also dropped: Yes, but he usually follows it up with in-depth stuff about other players. His push on gtsrs is the only thing I remember outside of his shitfight with Mocsta. On December 02 2013 17:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Post was just out of place. All these other VE posts about how he's the magical VE-whisperer, and then a post count analysis on D1 ish in a game with a long pregame and just completely ignoring other games. I dunno, this post smelled. Understanding VE 101 by MZ So I have a pretty lengthy history with mislynching VE. As a result I believe I am very good at reading him and am willing to make strong reads based off what I see Let’s go over VE this game. In the first 5 hours he makes 15 posts. They are one liners which don’t do much but let you know he’s following the game and thinking about it. By comparison, it takes VE 3 days to reach 15 posts in the game rayn linked. In the first 5 hours VE makes exactly 1 post. They have the same tone but they lack the same carefree nature that VE’s posts when he’s town have. These 15 posts constitute my early game read on VE and it only got stronger from there. K can we get off my dick now? This shit is a little old especially since we all agree I am right. MZ's interactions with LSB felt very...fluffy. On December 02 2013 14:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: MZ doesn't like his claim but thinks he's telling the truth but might be hiding in plain sight and hasn't posted enough to draw conclusions about behavior.I also really don't like LSB's claim. He's probably telling the truth about the role, but tryndamere is such a scum role it feels like he's trying to hide in plain sight by claiming it. He's barely posted so I can't really draw on a correlation between his behavior and possible motives for claiming but I don't like it and will be keeping a close eye on how he uses the role. But let's leave gut feelings aside for now and get to some actual scum hunting. Then half or the majority of his posts from yesterday are just him sniping at LSB. + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie. a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched. c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far. On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum. Since gtrsrs looks like he's headed for a modkill might as well put my vote somewhere useful ##Unvote ##Vote: LSB On December 03 2013 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: To recap, all LSB has done is fish for blues. On top of that, he's interested in confirming himself "so he doesn't get lynched." He's gonna use KP to confirm himself like I can't get over how anti town that is. And going back to his claim, I said this early on too, it has the feel of a scum trying to hide in plain sight by claiming a blatantly anti town role. On December 03 2013 12:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Are you drunk? Because that would explain a lot of what's happened over the last couple hours. On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB For the love of all that is town Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting On December 03 2013 12:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You said it yourself odin, LSB's actions this game have appeared scum motivated. On December 03 2013 13:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is complete fearmongering and speculation. However: (1) It doesn't feel like he's pushing his LSB scumread in the same way he pushed his townVE read, or even his very early bit on gtrsrs. He's directly engaging LSB, but rarely, if ever, is asking other people about LSB, trying to get their votes, etc. It's just...poking at a dude who is doing scummy stuff, over and over. (2) I can understand finding "blue hunting" scummy. But in PYP games, THIS HAPPENS. People get caught based on picks, roles, power usages, it's...it's part of a PYP game. It's not odd for someone to hunt, and it's not TERRIBLE to hunt because it DOES catch a mafia or two in a lot of/most PYP/PTP games. I don't like MZ using the phrase "blue hunting" without ever seeming to discuss or consider that this is a different beast than a normal game, and blue hunting may not be the most scummiest thing ever. It's not the most blatant scummy stuff ever, but his were some posts that just didn't feel like they were DOING anything to me. Looking closer, apart from the gtrsrs stuff very early, just trying to build discussion, his filter is pewp imo. And the very fact that he'd try to start discussion early and then just...fade away into poking at LBS doesn't sit well with me. Having a couple townie posts early on into nothing always seems like what scumvets do. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:39 geript wrote: Do you mean Demon's Run D2 or whatever, where I was entirely absent and came in only to vote with made up reasoning based on which wagon I liked?Why does this surge in activity remind me of PTP? Probably cuz I was mostly absent today. Don't believe there was a surge in that game though. You can also check plenty of my town games for relatively absent D1s (Bureaucracy, called out for it in a couple others), and at least one relatively absent D1 into swoosh of activity (Liquid City) | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Nono. He was on my list of people to look into as I was catching up. When I filtered him, his filter looks not great to me except that the people he's calling mafia are people I like other people to call mafia.Austin that statement was so weird...why would you consider lynching someone if you agree with his targets? Who cares if they flip town, if you agree with his targets why would them flipping town change your read on Roffles? My agreement is ... important to me for today, but really it's that if they flip red, he's calling out mafioso on D1, unlikely to be mafia. If they flip town, whether I liked his reads or no, the only thing that I really liked in his filter were reads that turned out to be on townies. I can be wrong. Sometimes. Everyone can be wrong. But if they flip green/blue then all we had in common was that we would have made similar mislynches, and that feels....less good than both making similar scum lynches. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:43 Rean wrote: Yar.Austin, can I ask you something? | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:51 VisceraEyes wrote: If his D1 scumreads start flipping red, I do not want to lynch him.Except what you said was that you wouldn't lynch him unless they started flipping green. I get "less good" but that's a farcry from "I will lynch because" I suppose that is a true statement about everybody. I, austinmcc, hereby promise that anyone who calls out 3 people today who all flip scum shall not be lynched by me, barring me going back on this statement. It just looked more relevant to me about him because the thing I like is the reads, and not really anything else. | ||
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So no, I'm not auto-lynching you guys if you call scum scummy on D1. Besides, based on what I can tell, I would never need to. If you identify a bunch of scummers D1, someone with KP will yell AMG GERIPT SCUM and blast you. I'll never have to cast a vote. | ||
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On December 05 2013 09:34 geript wrote: It might not have even been intentional. But seriously, you guys need to lighten up.That obv can make Lylo/mylo up recognizable points. I wanted to go for ezreal but I figured she'd go high. On December 05 2013 05:15 Promethelax wrote: Prome is dead, but I think it's of limited use. For those that post but didn't submit, yes, you'd expect them to be in scum QT if they were scum and to check in and pick numbers, etc. etc. If they only posted during a small window or two of the day though, early on, then it's null because someone could have been around before picks really hammered out in QT, and therefore it's not an alignment thing. It only applies if the person would have been checking QT when strat was being laid out.marv, austin and Rayn please comment on the validity of town reading Ticklish and Jay off of the fact that they forgot to send in picks during the number phase. I believe this is a valid heuristic and would like input on the subject On December 05 2013 02:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey hey hey hey hey. Did people read this post? MZ basically rightfully says that town isn't going to lynch the inventor. Also, someone should probably check him somehow. Wink wink VE.I can't justify lynching him because he's the inventor and as long as there's a chance he's town he's valuable. His flat out refusal to do anything at all combined with his "fuck you guys" attitude towards the town whenever we ask for something useful is just pissing me off. He knows he won't be lynched so he's using it as a free pass to do nothing. I'm gonna take a break for a while. However, what has MZ done in the last like...48ish hours? Oh right. He spent most of it poking at Koshi. He poked at Koshi for a while AFTER posting this. MZ's thought process:
I didn't like this post of marv's because of the above: On December 05 2013 02:54 marvellosity wrote: (This post was to MZ from marv). It was CLEAR that MZ was tunnelled in on Koshi. And normally, MZ might be townie for tunnelling in and just reading everything in a negative light. But again, MZ recognizes that Koshi won't get lynched.Ok, there definitely exists the possibility that you are a townie who is oddly tunnelled on Koshi and you're confirmation biasing yourself negatively on everything he says. Not sure there's anything more to say about this in particular for now. So why tunnel in on someone and focus all your effort on someone who isn't going to get lynched, and, because of the reason for the not-lynching, isn't going to get shot/killed by town? The only way town kills Koshi is if town gets proof of a mafia-favored invention, a trustable red check, etc. etc. It's ALL wasted effort. Boo MZ. Boo kush too! On December 05 2013 07:28 kushm4sta wrote: actually nvm i read rean's filter and he's probably town. rayne you would say he is town right? expressing opinion on bans. His posts are honest for his current knowledge of the game and activity level. On December 05 2013 21:58 kushm4sta wrote: Here are Rean's pick/ban/numberpickin' discussions. All of emraynpeeonmyface i have a question for you. I thought your super solid towntell was that if you debated early game about bans and shit, that automatically made you town. Ream did that. So....? + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2013 12:26 Rean wrote: Technically I suppose you could, numbers are made public I believe. But good luck getting people to agree it. ##Vote: Graves His ability serves no purpose to town at all. Is it encouraged to roleplay as the player we were assigned? On November 30 2013 13:05 Rean wrote: I get your point yeah, but it's the choice between roles that could be useful for both town and scum and roles that only benefit scum here since we only get three bans, so it seems to me it's better to eliminate champs that will never be useful for town (IMO, Graves + Talon + Yorick) On November 30 2013 13:10 Rean wrote: Add Amumu to that list aswell, will almost never be good for town. On November 30 2013 13:41 Rean wrote: In a game like this with hidden abilities and so many different roles checks are very, very unreliable. Eliminating Graves in this case won't change it that much, but it's a good start. Although, thinking about it, maybe Amumu is a better vote than Graves due to how unreliable checks will be in general. On November 30 2013 14:58 Rean wrote: Similarly to others, it's nasty but can still be used in a town way. Champs like Yorick/Amumu/Talon/Graves are scarier IMO. Also, ##Unvote ##Vote: Yorick When thinking about it a little more, he's more dangerous to town than Graves is. On December 01 2013 05:42 Rean wrote: If we don't ban Graves all investigations might aswell be useless because they could just be framed. KP roles are not good in the hands of scum either but there's more important bans to be made (Graves/Yorick) Yes. He talks about bans. But all he does is say "the anti-town champs are anti-town." Apparently Janna became a topic. No comment on Janna. There were people who had whole number picking schemes. No comment on them. People had lists of champs, who goes high, who goes mid tier, etc. etc. No comment on them. He has a bunch of comments on the bans, but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is "anti-town champs should be banned, because they are bad for town." Let alone that he says KP roles are no good for mafia, and that ALL investigations "might as well be useless" if graves is in the game. Kush is seeing things. The ban discussion isn't really discussion at all; it's ban tautology. | ||
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I'm never this absent as town, true. I'm also never THIS absent as mafia. When I get going, I'm spammy as both alignments, and I don't LIKE playing lurky mafia even when I have for a couple days. As far as my townreads being based on very little, check my last couple games. LXIII and Thug Life. Now, LXIII is ongoing and I ain't dead so you don't know my alignment (except if you read the game you will). I call MULTIPLE people in Thug Life town based on a post or two (and I think all of them flip town, ShiaoPi, FirmTofu, Oats). I call some people in LXIII town based on single little things. I have people I would LOVE to be mafia, but don't vote them because they've got a single post or two that just can't be mafia. Recently, I have had very very very good success rate at finding posts that can only come from townies, so I'm going with it. See my Kurumi read this game. Now, you dont' know my alignment, but I said Kurumi was very very likely town cuz of the one comment, and Kurumi was town. Not worth jack til postgame/next game, but it's not uncommong for me to call people town off single posts, and it's been WORKING and RIGHT for the last couple games. | ||
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MZ still looks scummy to me. He's dropped in a time or two, but only to focus on jabbing at Koshi despite saying Koshi was not gonna get lynched, and now to poke at me just a lil'. Rean looks stranger, because he finally has a read, but it's just me, and he's never ever ever ever ever justified it one bit. Yet now with other votes on me, he just posts about me all day urrday and it's cool. I'd like to see him talk about some other folks. Everyone else would like to see him talk about some other folks. So, he should do that. I did not take any damage beyond the damage from Rean last night. | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah, they are.yeah you also know who is right a lot austin? Scum. Have you seen me do this in scum games? Have you seen me do this in town games? At the very least, do you think sandro is correct in thinking it's alignment-determinative? | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:10 Onegu wrote: He's got substantive posts on the pick/ban discussion. Wants to ban Graves and Yorick, unsure on who the third should be, specifically chooses out a couple champs and decides between them, with reasoning.Why is odin town, have you seen my case on him? Participating in non-ban stuff early. Reads on VE, Marv, asking about people's reads on rayn. But mainly, it's this post - On December 03 2013 12:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: LSB calls Bum mafia because Bum said he was going to pick trynd and didn't. This makes no sense. Why does mafia bum do that? Why might town bum do that? Why does THIS lie make bum mafia?You are 100% sure Bum is scum because he said he was going to pick trynd.... and didn't? JAT and odin both asked LSB about that. I had them both very very townie because of it. Ta da! Another one post townread, brought to you by austinmcc. As far as your case, his reasoning for not voting is BUTTLICIOUS. Not in a good-tasting-butt way, but in a THAT TASTES LIKE BAD BUTT way. But...it's right in your face. What mafia says I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM BUT YOU ARE GOING TO BE LYNCHED? If someone doesn't want to be on the bum lynch, fine, but they don't SAY they find him scummy and aren't voting cuz he's lynched anyway. They don't SAY "I hereby throw my vote away despite thinking that dude is scum." Your case is based....almost entirely off of his votes. I think that: (1) his pre-day 1 play looks townie; (2) he asked a question that comes from a townie; and (3) ain't no mafia say that voting stuff he said. | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:20 kushm4sta wrote: Yeah, I know that. But I mostly agree with rayn on that.@austin about the ban thing, I doubt discussing bans makes you town. That post was more about a contradiction in RAYNE's thinking. Rayne was the one who said discussing bans in an automatic clear. However. Look at dem posts. Stare into their souls. Deep deep deep into their souls. Now. WHO IS THE ONION? Also, do those posts really look like discussing bans? I know rayn says discussing bans = automatic clear. Do Rean's posts, if you look at em and digest em, actually look like he's discussing bans? Discussing being a key word. | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:24 Rean wrote: Almost EVERY game that has DTs in it has godfather/framer/both/whatever. There are VERY VERY VERY few games where you have investigative roles and NO way to mess with checks. The fact that ONE role can mess with a single target each night does not make checks a massive WIFOM paradise or mostly useless. 1. See a theme here? I was around earlier and then disappeared for a while. I WONDER WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED. 2. I was pointing out the champs that serve no purpose to town, only mafia. Don't try and simplify what I said to make me look useless. 3. I already told you that you didn't interpret that correctly. If you bothered to read my damn filter you'd know this. Goes towards showing how much attention you pay. And what I said is certainly true, with Graves ingame checks become a massive WIFOM paradise. srs. Do you think that you needed to point out champs that serve no purpose to town, only mafia? Did anyone ever disagree and say those champs have town purposes? | ||
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Not sure why it generates the text covering up 1/3 of fry's face. Booo memegenerator. Booo. | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote: No. I took the 50 from rean. Did not take any other damage.@Austin Can you please confirm if you are full heatlh. | ||
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His D0 discussion fine. Specifically, voting amumu because yorick has plenty of votes is slightly townie. I don't personally think amumu was super strong (it's conditional, right? you have to get actioned to get anti-votes?), but still a fine role to want to ban out, and noticing that the guy you were on is 100% banned so you're trying to push another ban is townie. Continues to use his ban. Amumu not gonna be a ban, looks for new options, is compaining about rayn's posting while still reading it and digesting it. That feels mildy townie. On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote: This also reads...I think townie? Sees bum's list. Is the FIRST to comment on bum's list. Has some specific reasons that show he's actually thinking --> warwick only strong with certain information, trynd doesn't help town win, etc. It's not the MOST townie minded thing, but I don't see Jonny being the FIRST response to bum's list and just blasting it. And it's not just one post, he continues the discussion. With decent reasoning.Warwick's not a strong first pick. + Show Spoiler + At night, you may submit the name and champion name of a player This means we need to know which champion the player has successfully picked. Why pick trynd at all? Just so you know who has tryndamere? There's not a chance in hell I'm picking that champion. I plan to contribute to winning this game. Dealing damage to people above/below me does not help us win the game. I don't even understand. Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is. On December 01 2013 15:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Look at Ziggs/twitch/eve for guaranteed damage. Then there are defensive champs for scum who already know their teammates. Warwick and trynd are just garbage imo. I like this post. Guaranteed damage good for scum. Defensive champs great because you know who you need to be protecting, can maybe stop called shots (might out yourself in doing so, etc., but it's a good thought I think). He is really fully articulating why he doesn't like bum's plan. I can see his thoughts. I think this is good. Already, I think he's town. From what he's said and the way he's said it. Comes back. Drops a few sorta reads. gtrsrs read is mush. Others are reads, if slightly vague on soniv. Very focused on those 3 for a bit. Interacts with other people only about those three. But a decent amount of posting and reasoning on them. Continues giving reads, or at least reading filters. Has clear rules that he's applying (soniv shrugging off accusations = town, whereas MZ super defensive). Gives reads when asked, and then asks WHY those people. I like that. LOLOLOLOL VOTES HIMSELF DUE TO FORMATTING. WHY IS EVERYONE SO MAD THIS GAME? SOMEONE ACCIDENTALLY SELF-VOTED AND SOMEONE CALLED EZ A GIRL. THIS IS A GOOD AND FUN GAME. I don't love the vote. He's got suspects in kush certainly, and MZ slightly. But he's down to vote Bum. He responds to the question about people jumping on bum without hesitation. I don't ... I don't love his explanation there. Bum defended Jonny and then quit under pressure. Based on Jonny saying scumbum wasn't taking the easier lynch, i think he SHOULD find bum townie, or townieish. Appears to have actually gone to look at Jaybrundage's past game in nomination. He doesn't need to do this. He's following up on things that are happening. I don't love that he doesn't push HIS lynches. But I like how his reads come about, find him generally consistent, and very much like his D0 play. His vote is the only questionable thing. It's not enough to put him scum in my book. Defense of soniv by saying gtrsrs's case is bad, doesn't mean soniv is town, but case is bad, reads funky at first glance. He was towny on soniv. Meh on gtr. I think he has legitimate points as to why he dislikes gtr's case, but he's not....I feel like he should be solidly on a soniv read here. MY READ: HE IS TOWN D0 LOOKS VERY TOWNIE. HAS REASONING BEHIND BANS, IS USING HIS VOTE FOR GOOD THINGS, IS DISCUSSING ACTUAL READS, ETC. HIS READS LOOK GENUINE WHEN THEY COME FROM HIM. CONSISTENT RULES HE'S USING TO SEPARATE TOWN/SCUM. HIS VOTE LOOKS MEH. DON'T LOVE. HIS RESPONSE TO GTRSRS CASE IS GOOD EXCEPT I THINK IT'S WONKY THAT HE'S NOT PUSHING SONIV TOWN STILL. | ||
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Lol now I have to reread after you and koshi talking about him looking town at first glance. Agree that prome's calling out of that one post is solid. I'm torn because I just lynched town rayn in a game for...similarish reasons. He CAN dominate a thread with a lot of posts and it feels like it's not helping. He can play anti-town, as seen by others, when he's town, just because he'll be ... overactive at points? But I assume Jonny doesn't know rayn well and wouldn't have this mindset, so it's points for Prome and points for scum Jonny. He DOES have a problem calling people 10000% scum. He DOES have a problem putting conviction behind what he presents as his own scumreads (he arrived at kush, maybeish gtrsrs, maybeish MZ). I disagree with you on his D0 discussion. His poo poo of an urgot ban b/c damage, but ww bad because twitch/eve/ziggs guaranteed damage does not fit. Does not fit at all. But the way he's contributing and arguing looks townie to me. Gut still says town. For all the shitposting you accuse him of, a lot of it is VERY in your face/cursey/confrontative. I don't know that I see scum making enemies so hard. And I think his D0 looks townier than you do. I don't think he's the first to respond to bum's plan, call it bad, point out reasons it's bad, continue to discuss why he dislikes it, if he's mafia. I would like to see him be...firmer in his scumreads. And willing to push them. But for now, I'm townie on him. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Yo.Austin is mostly a lurker to me - he's been gone most of the cycle and now he's posting complete gibberish. Agree/disagree that MZ saying Koshi isn't going to be lynched, but spending a bunch of posts poking at him and halfway calling him scummyish is funky? Agree/disagree that rean's posts D0 aren't so much discussion as they are "Anti-town champs are anti-town." Agree/disagree that you shouldn't lynch me D2. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Since you asked.Well let's lynch austin unless he pulls some sick shit and then get to work on killing lurkers. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:22 OdinOfPergo wrote: ?@Austin, No you're wrong. How many times has this been implied? Wrong on what? | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:26 geript wrote: I've seen it in only a couple people, and it was mainly a town thing. There was some dude in a newbie or two of mine that was SUPER combative as town, really really really so, and then lurked hard as scum.@Austin. Yah he's combative but I'm not quite sure I've seen a townie be that adversarial before. I think I've only seen it in myself when I've played on another site where I've had like 80 different exceptionally negative experiences. I mean I literally called out the whole scum team (and I wasn't bussing) and got lynched instead and then got called least valuable townie for that game. Or like...I think of VA as super combative. He's just way less verbose about it, but he'll combat you like a mothereffer. I don't think Jonny is mafia. | ||
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If you are solely killing lurkers, kill a different lurker. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:37 Mocsta wrote: Nope. But if VE's goal today is to kill a lurker, he should vote a not-me lurker. So you are comfortable with a policy lynch on lurkers; just not you, correct? I prefer lynching scum, and right now would target MZ. Like so. ##vote: MZ | ||
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Rean looks funky from just pushing me all day for no reason to begin with. rayn and JAT should be town. VE unknown right now. I would assume this isn't an entirely townie list of votes on me, so maybe I find something in those guys? Probably just looking at short filters tonight though. | ||
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He asks rean to keep thread in line and focus votes and whatnot. Rean says yup yup, love me some yelling at people. Rean doesn't yell at anyone. IIRC, someone found Rean townie because of him agreeing to yell at folks, it was like...too outgoing to be scum D0? Someone posted this. I remember them quoting those posts and calling him town. That is super duper wrong because again, Rean doesn't keep people in line. Rean doesn't super discuss things. If rean is mafia, the person who said that looks worse imo. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:46 geript wrote: @Austin. Not at home. I'll read him and you. Please provide a link to or quote of a case or bullet points on reasons. @VE. You like me noted the odd easy majority on Bum and how it makes your ass itch. It makes mine tingle and not in a good way. Why didn't you do like me and start pushing a different lynch?
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IF THAT'S THE CASE, I MISREMEMBERED, AND REAN STILL DIDN'T DO JACK BUT SAND CALLED HIM ON IT, NOT SAID HE LOOKED FINE FOR IT. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:55 OdinOfPergo wrote: Questions about...what post? My MZ post?That's a really funny post to bring up Austin as I had a couple questions myself. It looks nice on the surface...but really what new are you adding? What else other than picking easy points on people are you doing? I mean the whole thing says "Pls Looks, I'm contributing" but I don't think you actually are. I bring it up because geript said he wanted bullet points to read on MZ. Yes, it's nothing new, it's a summary of old stuff I've said about MZ. I post it cuz I'm asked for a summary of why MZ is mafia. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:58 Chezinu wrote: Some dudes is apparently trying to lynch me.Hey Guys! I'm going mid. whatsup austin? The nerve. Also, most of them are probably town. So, that's not great. You got any passionate austin-is-town speeches? But only if you think I'm town. | ||
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On December 06 2013 13:58 kushm4sta wrote: Who is he poking at? A dude that he doesn't want to lynch.@austin your mz case is incredibly weak. Part of it is you dont like his poking. This is very vague reasoning. The majority of it has to do with BLUE HUNTING. I don't think I've ever seen someone find mafia by identifying blue hunting. Why is he spending all his time poking at a dude he doesn't want to lynch? + Show Spoiler + You can say "but he DOES want to lynch koshi!" Except, he KNOWS that town won't lynch the inventor. He can see that. And if town won't lynch the inventor, why would MZ want to lynch the inventor? The only way it happens is a bunch of scumvotes, and that's...not a good way to get a lynch, so he should not want to lynch koshi What part of that is vague? This is a dude who isn't getting lynched. If you know someone cannot be lynched, do you spend a bunch of effort trying to make them look scummy? Do you think blue hunting is SUPER MEGA BAD in PYP games? Do you, at the very least, concede that blue hunting in normals and blue hunting in PYP games are different? Everyone asking for claims is somewhat blue hunting. People who want certain champs taken at certain spots are, in a way, blue hunting. It's part of PYP. It's part of PYP because, usually, it hits scum. This is true. People get caught with certain roles, or numbers they couldn't have picked, or etc. etc. Blue hunting is not just a scummy thing in PYP. MZ is picking a lazy and easy-to-recognize term and just chucking it around where it isn't valid. | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:00 Mocsta wrote: What am I better than?Yeah. It's as if Austin is saying Mz is better than this , so he's scum. Yet.. the same applies to Austin Other than activity, which I can't help right now, what parts of my posting this game have been crappy for austin (apart from the Rean meta thing, which was crappy). Any others? | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:03 Chezinu wrote: The content is probably along the lines that rapscallions have taken over the thread, and made it so that thread is no longer the place where the cool kids want to party.I totally get ya there. Was totally learning about that today. As for austin is town speech, I can't say I have been around long. Today is the first time I have made contact with you. A speech is necessary. Can you help me with the content of this speech? Then, I can Chezify it. But. But but but. You and I, chez. We're bringing sexy back. The fun shall return to the thread (but not until after Sunday, because I'm gone til then). There will be songs, and poems, and speeches, and some pictures. There will be merriment. Bonus points if you ever saw We Sing in Sillyville and can reference it in your speech. | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:13 kushm4sta wrote: It's not a "that day" thing. Town isn't lynching the inventor barring SOOPER SERIOUS EVIDENCE. Not a case, not a suspicion, not whatever. But real mafia-favored-inventions, mafia never trying to kill him, etc. etc. I've been scum in a game with a town inventor before. You kill dat dude. Because every day you don't the game is SO MUCH HARDER. Maybe he confirms someone. Maybe he catches someone. Maybe he lies about what an invention does. You never know. It's a huge wildcard and it's pumping out town-favored stuff day by day. You can't have that, you kill him. He was poking koshi because he was trying to figure out koshi's alignment, I assume. Just because someone isn't a realistic lynch that day doesn't mean you can't poke at them. Rant more about the difference between PYP and normal games, it's totally making you look town bro. That's why town don't lynch no inventor. Or, my thoughts on why they don't. MZ doesn't say town won't lynch him today. He says town won't lynch Koshi. The End. You don't go to the store, say you don't want to buy any sweet potatoes, and then pick up every sweet potato in the bin to see how good they look. You just walk by the sweet potatoes. MZ didn't walk by the sweet potatoes. | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Especially when he really didn't seem interested in doing much eeeeeeelseeeeeee.The one thing he mentioned to me specifically WAS good - the post about MZ saying Koshi isn't going to be lynched but poking at him anyway. Silly moves for someone who's accepting that Koshi isn't going to be lynched, regardless of what he thinks Koshi's alignment is. And ... hasn't really. Not today. Not much of yesterday. | ||
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I'm hopefully around for a moment tomorrow morning EST, but otherwise, this is it for me today. I'm gonna be out of town and won't be able to defend myself/post/whatever. If you kill me, I will think you guys made a bad decision, but would say: sandro, JAT, odin, rayn town. rean questionable. His tunnelledinness is wonky for scum, and wasting 50 dmg on me is also wonky. But I guess if he's mafia he has to do that, given that I'm his only read ever. Whatever. Give some more time and see how he plays. LSB probably town. See reasoning from my D1 posts, but basically he just doesn't give up. Plus all the association jazz about bum being town then scumLSB being unlikely to pick trynd is true. MZ likely mafia. If rean/MZ are NOT mafia, then roffles needs scrutinizing. Yes, he's not on my list cuz I liked/shared a lot of his reads. Yes, if they're not mafia that means I was town and wrong, and am saying he might be scummier for being wrong. But I am. Deal. Leaning town on Jonny, but he's very clearly been called out as ... less assertive and less sure that folks would like to see from town. It's on the record. If he doesn't read those things and try to come up with more certain scumreads, right/wrong who cares, just certain, and push them, then .... i still kinda lean town. Mocsta you can do with that what you will. Onegu isn't tripping any alarms, he just played as town in LXIII, check his Odin case against any cases he made there. Off the top of my head, it didn't look particularly different, and I don't THINK he really doubles down as mafia and keeps pushing Odin. So I'm leaning townie on him. Everybody else...don't know. | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Because today is the first big, fat, free day I've had in a while. And I need to get posting.Austin, why did you start playing today only? Not alignment-indicative at all, but I covered things elsewhere, and then moved here. I have to leave town tomorrow, won't have computer access, and knew that I needed to place a reasonable vote and also just play. Had to catch up to see where the vote would go, and gotta play a little later than I should to try and defend myself. I was surprised to find myself being lynched, tbh, and did put in a little more effort because of that. | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:42 Chezinu wrote: mmmmm hmmmmm. You "koreaned" some very interesting things there, according to translate.oh that text doesn't mean anything. I mean to type potatoes, but I accidently hit ctrl+shift instead of shift. My keyboard started koreaning and I just wrote something like, oh geez how do I not korean? | ||
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On December 06 2013 14:49 Mocsta wrote: Eh? I don't really care about your posts on rean, and completely disagree with anyone who wants to argue he was "discussing" bans (that one's mostly kush). The meta thing is troof. But he's still got posts this game on which to judge him, and at BEST I'd think you could go "eh, he's wonky, but I don't like your case." Dudes that never post any reads, say they're gonna sheep a townie, never really call anyone out townie to sheep, and then spend 48 or so hours posting that some guy is mafia because, when asked if he was mafia, he said no, are....not uber townie. You can find them town, but probably not uber duber townie.Austin reads are funny. Like everyone is town on town Onegu/rean Jonny/lsb I promise I will read Mz tonight, but I'm not sold to be frank. Esp with how u backpedal on rean. The sequence of events recalls to me as I debunked u on rean, so u went to read 2. Mz The reason I move on rean is his play since. No reads at all into just me scum always me scum always always i'm scum. If he's mafia, he's not fixing his lack of reads. If he's mafia, he might want a reason to vote me. He burns KP on me last night that they probably want to use on someone who's impacting the game. All things that make him less likely mafia. | ||
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On December 06 2013 15:07 Mocsta wrote: Which is why I say it's not exactly proof of my townieness.See I disagree. Ok you're 2 town reads for 2 town reads. But finding town doesnt equate to finding scum -- it just narrows PoE. This is a funny way to sell that your scum reads are viable. But one problem you have is that I'm calling people town. Or at least, that's what your earlier post reads like. To the extent you don't like the people I'm reading as town, IF I'm town, despite having mostly town reads, my town reads have been good this game. | ||
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On December 06 2013 16:08 Mid or Feed wrote: He'll always be numero uno in our heartsCompletely (mostly) unrelated but I just re-stumbled on some nostalgia. Enjoy. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=316408 Also I totes just carried the shit out of VE in LoL. Carry on. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=301830 | ||
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On December 06 2013 18:36 supersoft wrote: I think that when I'm absent, I should post thoughts. There are thoughts on a mass claim plan. Always proposed, never carried out. Do you think my sentiments in that post seem legit? I think it makes sense to post thoughts on mass claiming as either alignment, so yeah, makes as much sense as scum as it does as town.austin, do you think a post like this helps the town? Do you think it makes sense to post this as scum? insecure. Insecure? Please. I can handle that dude all day. Oh. -ure, not insec. Nope. If someone is going to "can i ask you something" WITH A SMILEY, and then ask "are you mafia?", I'm not just going to say "No." Gotta have a little fun back. Also, still not korean. | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:37 Mocsta wrote: Hi there!hes talking about lynching MZ, and associates Rean in the same sentence. Clearly, from what I wrote above, he was stating a waivering read with Rean. How is that a misinterpretation, let alone scummy Kush. Rean has done SOMETHING since I posted originally about roffles. Yes? He has tunneled me for no given reason, tickled me, and continued to do nothing else. This is a thing with which I can analyze him, update my read. He looks less scummy than before. Is he a paragon of townieness? Would you LIKE to argue that he's a paragon of townieness? Cuz I don't think he is, but he has finally done One Single Thing, and it's a curious thing for mafia to do. Roffles, on the other hand, has done nothing since his D1 reads. So all I have to read Roffles off of are his D1 posts and his reads. He disliked MZ, that's still fine. He found Rean scummy. Rean was scummy. Rean COULD STILL BE scum. It's less likely than before, but it's a wee bit difficult to swap an entire read based on a dude just tunneling you and doing zero else. While he's DOING something now, it's still not really playing the game, doesn't feel like playing the game. He's just not the tip toppiest target, and if he gets 1 new read every day, soon he'll have like 3 or 4. But anyway, all I can do with Roffles right now is say that I liked his D1 reads. To the extent they're actually smelly, regardless of what I think about Rean right now, I would think Roffles is more likely to be mafia than if he's correct in his scumreads. It's not a magical attempt to lynch A after B. It's showing that I've read A, and this is my interpretation of A's filter. Like, without saying "he's kind of a dick/confrontative," what's your read on roffles and what is the most important thing he's done all game? | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:46 Mid or Feed wrote: austinmcc (7): Rean, sandroba, Mocsta, raynpelikoneet, justanothertownie, On December 06 2013 23:47 kushm4sta wrote: this lynch must be stopped Cough. | ||
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Early on, he faked being a parity cop and happened to catch a 3P with a fake different check. Based on that game, he seems pretty content to do whatever he wants as mafia, including...just making stuff up for no reason. In towngames, he has also said his scumplay is just to find scummiest thing and point it out. Rinse and repeat. Assuming he was being entirely truthful as a townie, he is more than willing to bus teammates if they look scummier than townies. | ||
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On December 06 2013 23:52 Mocsta wrote: I don't see boatloads in roffles D1 filter. There's a small amount of reads though, and that's what there is to go on. hmmm. still reads as a -> b -> c to me but ok. look I get the change in stance in rean. completely acceptable. its why i was surprised u still talked a out him flipping scum. if its not a then b then c what scenario does it make sense for a riffles flip? If he's only posting about like 3-4 people, I wouldn't think he's posting about scumbuddies. And he leans decent on MZ, brings him up a bunch. MZ, jay, and gtrsrs are the folks he talks about. If MZ is mafia, I don't THINK that out of a tiny tiny subset of people, roffles brings MZ up that much and calls him scummy. Side not that, in his reasons for MZ being mafia, it's partially because people got suspicious of MZ and MZ got hostile. From a dude who...seems to be universally known as pretty hostile. That makes it seem, to me, like a legit read, because I don't think you call someone scummy for a characteristic you're known for if you're mafia? But if MZ town, then the not talking about scumbuddies argument is weaker. Rean isn't in roffles's filter, but seemed legitimately upset at roffles's kill yourself post. Just gut, that was not a scum on scum reaction, you don't even halfway try to get your scumbuddy banned. You may chew them out in QT, tell them to knock it off before you lose a scum to modkill, but I don't think you go in thread that hard half-asking for a scumbuddy to get disciplined. That's also ALL of rean's personal interaction for D1 basically, he doesn't give much, if anything, in the way of commentary on anyone else. Again, odd if scumbuddies. So I think a roffles flip makes sense if...probably neither of rean/MZ are scum. You don't immediately flip him, but there are these connections that I draw to roffles based on his filter and rean's reaction. Otherwise, his filter is pretty bare and limited in scope, he has an iffy defense of gtrsrs (doesn't give a crap cuz he didn't get kha'zix, entirely speculative but also feels maybe right), etc. TL;DR ---- Roffles's filter doesn't give me super happy thoughts. BUT I draw connections to MZ and Rean off his filter. If either of those is scum, I don't think he's likely to be scum because of the interplay between them. It's mostly that, the...negative side of things? If either of those two is scum, he's unlikely scum. If neither of them is scum, then I don't love his filter and he's lost the connections that might make him town for me. | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote: +1 and +1 Scumaustin would know he wasn't in a position to line up shit. Yes mocsta, it implies I would be looking at roffles for a lynch in that case. But right now, you're speculating that, essentially, I would take a stance on D2 based on some connections, and then would just hammer it through after AT LEAST 2 flips. If rean and MZ both ever flip, and both flip town, and I post nothing but Roffles's D1 filter and say he should be lynched, then 10000% kill me. If I'm trying to railroad someone that far down the line by pointing out early stuff, sure, I'm mafia trying to set up mislynches. But holy balls. It feels like you're both speculating that I'm saying "No matter what ever happens, I'm lynching this dude if x occurs." Maybe he actually posts. Maybe he's got a champ that semi-clears him. Who knows? We'll find out later. All I can say is his posting so far doesn't do much for me, but I don't think he's mafia if either of those two are. At the very least, how do you feel about how I'm drawing connections? You okay with the logic behind why I think he's not scum if either of them are? | ||
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He might be trying to determine Koshi's alignment, but so what? He's barely talking to anyone else at that point. If he really thinks Koshi ain't getting lynched, why is Koshi's alignment the #1 priority and not.....anyone else who might be scum/lynched? I think there's some merit to the fact that he doesn't PUSH anyone either. Again, look at all his posts on LSB. He does sort of the same thing as with Koshi, except LSB isn't unlynchable. Just a lot of picking and calling things scummy, but there's never really that final conclusion where you feel comfortable someone has a scumread and wants to lynch it. Look at sandro trying to lynch me, maybe onegu on Odin. Even if both are wrong, they're finding someone, writing cases-ish, and pushing that guy. Asking for comment, seeking consensus. MZ is wasting his time on Koshi because he's not going to do any of that if Koshi ain't lynchable. geript also found MZ scummy for other reasons, would be interested to see MZ's thoughts on that. Overall, no. His hopping in, defending self a little, and then dipping out doesn't really move my needle. | ||
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And while he says My interactions with him are not about randomly shitting on him, they were trying to get him to help us. Like if you look at it that's primarily what I'm after. I don't think I agree with that?On December 05 2013 01:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Starts off okay with killing koshi.you know what, fuck your role I am absolutely ok with killing koshi right now. Seriously how hard is it to do ANYTHING AT ALL TO HELP THE FUCKING TOWN? Like if you're not gonna play then why join the game. On December 05 2013 02:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So the content of what he posted doesn't matter, only that he posted? Well broadcast the fucking message to the scum team, all you guys need to do is post a halfassed analysis and koshi will call you town. KOSHI GIVES A READ ON JAY, i.e. is playing the game and giving reads, and MZ dumps on it. MZ says he wants koshi to help us, but the moment koshi DOES give a read, dump dump. On December 05 2013 02:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Wat? Your first paragraph literally makes no sense.] And now you think he's town? Your paragraph makes no sense. Not "what are you saying here", not really specifically questioning and trying to figure out what koshi is saying. Just "you make no sense and I'm going to implicitly mock your read" On December 05 2013 02:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's not about what jay wrote, it's how koshi responded. You actually thought about what jay wrote and considered the point he was making in the scope of the game. koshi couldn't be assed to do anything like that. I am incredibly frustrated and fed up with koshi right now. Frustrated and fed up. During the time he was talking to koshi, he went from WOULD LYNCH to FRUSTRATED AND FED UP. At no point do I read him really trying to get Koshi involved and doing townie stuff. (Side note: MZ does poke at kush a little bit during the koshi thing, it's not 100% koshi interaction, but he's asking kush why kush thinks kurumi is mafia given that kurumi asked to be deadified. That's a fine, but SUPER EASY, question to ask) | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:24 Mocsta wrote: It applies because active and townie into do-nothing is something that I see from a lot of players that get scrutiny. You come out the gate townie, play a lot of D1 looking town, and then you start to trail off, because you really just needed the initial town reads on you.Austin does the above apply because itsnscummy, ornbecause mz knows better? out of the above, I find the LSB stuff quite damning I admit. I still think the koshi stuff is ok It's a piece of a pattern, where he comes out with a gtrsrs discussion case, gets some stuff rolling, is chatty and whatnot. Then he just kind of pokes around VE being town and LSB being scum, but without those same A TOWNIE IS DOING THIS feels. Then he pokes at koshi. Then he doesn't really do anything. It's not just inactivity, I can't call anyone out on that, but it's a pattern from a townie-looking start into just tailing off. I find that progression scummy in a veteran player, because I've seen it a couple times. | ||
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On December 07 2013 00:36 Mocsta wrote: Both. I think super early cases are helpful to town, but generally as discussion starters and not as trusty scumreads.the reason I asked if its scummy is cos half the thread went hard at the start and then tapered where this is specific to mz is that really early ve read and like u said early case on gtr hmmm so u don't buy his reasons for the early case, or you are assigning scum points due to tapering ativity? I think he had decent reasons for calling gtrsrs out, but to build a case and push gtrsrs then into not really doing as much on LSB or koshi or whoever else he may think is mafia, that's the bigger bit. | ||
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The heal doesn't even matter, I'm willing to buy that someone shottified him, and nobody is claiming it. Whether he took 250 or whatever, or the full amount and got healed a little, that's a LOT of damage for there not to be scum damage in it. Unless you really think he's lying about the damage, he's likely to be town. Pretty sure that in other games with HP and incremental damage, scum never actually shot themselves despite that being thrown around all game, and people who got shot with partial KP early were just getting any leftover stuff scum had. Off head, chrono trigger and PTPokemon Mafia both had HP and partial KP, and in both mafia didn't shoot themselves to try to fake people out. | ||
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Host folk, is there a list anywhere of what each role did, the stuff we did not see? Or is that being held for possible future use? I'd be interested in what Morde's other skill was, was hoping for some ult action and not kp, but wasn't sure. I picked Karma --- 95% because the description of her power mentioned a "non-anonymous mason" and I was hoping hoping hoping that a mantraed mason would be anonymous. Big thanks hosts for making a ridiculously complex game have only player-side issues and no host-side issues (that I saw?). | ||
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On December 25 2013 05:45 WaveofShadow wrote: : (Sorry austin, info is locked in the vault for potential future use. I will say this though, there were potential anonymous masons in the game. | ||
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