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Sandroba Could you please roleclaim, or explain why you do not want to roleclaim? Also if you roleclaim townie, can you tell us what role you picked? The question also applies to kushm4sta, JonnyLaw, jcarlsoniv ect ect. Refer to this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=71#1410 for why you should roleclaim. And for a preemptive response to "LSB you are doing nothing but asking for roleclaims, wtf u scum, u do nothing lynch kill him", pinning down the dangerous roles is possible the most important thing we need to do before the first night is over, and I want to get this discussion over with so we have something to work with. | ||
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On December 03 2013 07:03 sandroba wrote: @lsb i did roleclaim, but i don't think anyone should be doing this yet. So I can mark you down as Fiora then? Maybe when people actually do something and put forward some actual info role claims can be beneficial/necessary. I don't get this. Can you please explain? | ||
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I will respond to questions about roleclaiming. On December 03 2013 07:17 SamuelLJackson wrote: what useful info can you derive from people claiming their roles right now? When a bunch of dudes come foward with what they did at night and we can see the end result, we can try to sort it out if we think it's gonna lead us to finding mafia. Right now I don't see a benefit to town of knowing who has X or Y role. I.E if someone used their head and actually picked nocturne I wouldnt want him to be roleblocked/killed as it's the only info role left. So your plan is to let mafia strike first and then try to pick up the pieces afterwards? That is an incredibly stupid idea. You are essentially accomplishing the same thing that roleclaiming right now, while allowing mafia to get out a few hits undetected. First of all we need to expose people who are fake claiming, we need to make sure that if you are a vanilla town you are who you claim. I feel like it is best to get this done early because as you conceded, we will need to get this done sometime. Lets use your example. Lets say someone picked nocturne, and suddenly he gets roleblocked even though town agrees it's best to use his ability. We know who is the roleblocker and therefore can hold that person accountable. If no one claimed roleblocker we check on the VT claims again and see what they did last night and the nights before. On December 03 2013 05:23 Risen wrote: 1) So they are not misused? They will be misused if scum knows what we're doing and knows where we're aiming things. Revealed by process of elimination? How? Not every role got picked, some people got VT from choosing something other people chose. 2) Why is this good again? This whole statement is so condescending and self-centered. Reads as you don't want everyone's input on role actions, you just want to know where the things are being aimed. 3) Except mafia can also help direct claimed town so... 4) Right now? But you reserve the right to later. Got it. If you are wondering about my concerns please look over previous PYP games. Role claiming was instrumental to victory in the ones I've played PYP2/PYP3. There were many powerful roles that the town locked hard on. For example in PYP2 there was a compulsive vigilante role, even though Mafia got their hands on that role they were unable to use it for their own purposes because the town directed where the hits went. In addition with a mass claim of roles, they were able to easily isolate the few remaining mafia members by piecing together who was lying and who was not. By having everyone roleclaim, this allows any trackers to confirm night actions so people are held accountable to their actions. Should mafia try to run inference against town actions it should be easy to hold the people who are able to do that interference accountable for their actions. | ||
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We need to know if Janna, Heimerdinger, Karthus and other roles that have the ability to increase mafia KP are in the game. In addition if you have a role that can increase mafia KP you should be claiming. Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] - Soft Blue claim, cannot deal damage Mig [12][1] JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba - Fiora Kenpachi[8][15] - VT? Rean [16][2] ?-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal? LSB -> Tryndamere | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: LSB - Could you do some scumhunting instead of just mindlessly yelling everyone to massclaim? Like i know it's the best idea but when people are not willing to do it there is nothing you can do about it. Right now it seems like you are intentionally shouting for an idea that's pro-town but what you can never achieve. What's the point? I think this is the most important thing that needs to get done and that's why I am pushing for it so hard. I do not understand why you think I should "give this up" an idea that you admit is "pro town". I am more concerned about doing things that will be very important to the town as a whole, and someone needs to do this and I decided to do it. If you want a scum read I'd say I'd read you as red, I can understand if you are saying stop yelling for massclaim because it is bad for XYZ. But to say stop yelling for massclaim even though it is a good idea stinks of casual sabotage. I would rather have your support for a plan you admit is "pro town" rather than attempting to dissuade it before it is completed. | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:48 sandroba wrote: @LSB MAN. You get no notifications this game. What happens is people will be informed they received X amounts of dmg and the results of their actions. Half the abilities of the heroes are unknown information. So you can't hold anyone accountable for anything. Please. Read the rules and think about your plan first. I have read the rules, in fact I think you should go over the rules and abilities too as well as think for a bit before critiquing a plan. What mass claims seeks to accomplish is twofold. 1) Firstly to confirm claims and locations of dangerous roles. For example my role can potentially be dangerous if I abuse it too much. A massclaim allows me to verify that I hold onto the role. We can verify this threefold. First of all we can look at the position on the list, that is a piece of public information. Second of all we can compare how much damage people took. For example if I lied about my damage and instead say I did 800 damage each, people would easily be able to tell. Tonight when I verify my role people will be able to verify how much damage I do also. Thirdly there are tracker roles so we can verify claims that way 2) To check the abilities of said dangerous roles and make sure they are not abused. The classic example is my role. If I use it only to verify the fact that I have the role, it is only a few instance of 50 damage. However if I did not claim and just spent my time running around laughing like an idiot, I could easily do 250 damage a night. We are significantly checking mafia KP. Why we cannot accomplish these two objectives without a mass claim. This is because there are roles that augment anothers power. My role is very meaningless by itself. But if you add on abilities that allow me to do more damage than usual, suddenly my damage is multiplied by a ton. Without a mass role claim mafia can easily hide a huge amount of damage through disruptive roles and agumenting them confusing the town. We need to know what we are facing, and who is controlling what to account for that. Likewise without a role claim people could use their abilities with no fear, allowing mafia to have unchecked power. There is a huge accusation on Kurumi atm. What if Kurumi did not claim at all? and instead sat alone at night killing Koshi? This would be a serious problem and we would have no idea who was doing so much damage to an important role. | ||
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On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote: BLAH BLAH BLAH POLICY LYNCH ME ^Paraphrased. Honestly Bumatlarge is following the basic plan I used as SK from PYP3, first get an idea of where everyone is who can kill you and try to grab an ability that will make it so you cant get killed by mafia, while all the time trying to convince everyone that I have a different ability. "This would have been better for town" was the exact same reasoning I used to try to convince town I wasn't SK in PYP3. I'm sticking to my policy lynch plan. I'm thinking Bumatlarge is SK and grabbed a defensive role as a way to make sure he stays alive. I'm going to pin him as "not town". Deviation from your own plan is pretty scummy since a plan requires as much players to follow it as possible. | ||
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On December 03 2013 09:58 Coagulation wrote: sup Happy Birthday! | ||
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There are still highly dangerous roles in the game that we need to confirm if they exist or not before the first night. As many people have emphasize, if you have claimed Vanilla town or even flipped vanilla town, it is in the towns interest for you to claimed what you tried to pick. There is no reason why you should not sit on a vanilla town role and not say anything. If you are vanilla town it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take If you can deal damage it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take If you are DT/Medic/Tracker it is highly suggested, but I will forgive you if you don't, to reveal what role you take We need to know if Janna, Heimerdinger, Karthus and other roles that have the ability to increase mafia KP are in the game. Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] - Soft Blue claim, cannot deal damage Mig [12][1] JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] - Karma StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba - Fiora Kenpachi[8][15] - Blue Claim Rean [16][2] ?-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> Soft Blue Claim BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal? LSB -> Tryndamere | ||
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On December 03 2013 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all the bolded parts seems like a contradiction. He wants to look into people who have actual content (bigger filters) but all he talks about before and after are lurkers with short filters (besides MZ). Also it feels like he is pretty caught up and knows how much people have posted, yet he focuses on lurkers and then says he does not want to focus on lurkers but on other people. Honestly the JohnnyLaw bandwagon seems a little too random, I see where you are coming from though. Speaking of JohnnyLaw, could you please roleclaim? | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:44 bumatlarge wrote: I'm the SK that might be in the game now? jcarlsoniv must be something juicy. Never said anything about SK, just said not town. Good enough for me to try to drop da hammer. My night action is gonna be to move 3 up. Though unless some friendly helper would like to give me more KP, it's gonna be more like a feather than a hammer | ||
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On December 03 2013 11:54 bumatlarge wrote: I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public. There's already been 5 people who have softclaimed or claimed straight blue, no including the people who have already claimed a priority blue people. I don't think that is that big of a concern. Are you just trying to set up for a delayed Vanilla town claim? | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2. Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason | ||
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On December 02 2013 19:06 Koshi wrote: I can use all the powers. Also it's super awesome. Like almost better than the invention stuff. Do you know cool inventions? I already got 4 items send to the hosts though. Aegis Dagon BKB Ghost Scepter Some are pretty weak though. On December 02 2013 09:42 Koshi wrote: Aegis Dagon lvl 5 first. I will break this LoL game with DotA items. Yo, what are the restrictions on your role? Can you make cooler stuff like "LSB's bus driver, where everything that goes to you is instead reflected to someone else" or "DT magnifying glass, which makes anyone a DT?" or "Thermonuclear Bomb" which kills X amount of people at a time, where X-1 is the largest amount you can get the hosts to agree on?. Oh I know! Make an Euls Sceptor! A roleblock + Invul that only works on yourself and people not on your team (IE Mafia if you are town, and town if you are mafia), give yourself one and use it to make you invul, and they start handing em out so we can all be detectives. I agree with people saying you should try to do more with your role than being a guy who can't be nightkilled. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: You are 100% sure Bum is scum because he said he was going to pick trynd.... and didn't? Ya, just read through my posts. It's a very scummy play to deviate from a plan that you tried to push, especially if you know not everyone is going to follow through it. I think you all should lynch him today too. On December 03 2013 12:11 JonnyLaw wrote: Bum I get your point that improved played doesn't mean not scum. I'm just not feeling the scumminess. I read through your original post again and yes you do make some good points. Do they scream scum? That's a stretch. LSB's incessant spamming of the claim now plus the list concerns me more. Moving up the slightly to prove you're tryndamere might be helpful but dealing damage to everyone along the way? I don't buy it man. If you think Bum's scum try and get him lynched instead of damaging half the town on your way up. I got a great compromise for you. Lynch Bum and then I won't move through so many people. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:19 OdinOfPergo wrote: yes... but you have 1 issue with him... and per that issue regardless of his other post you're ready to kp him for it. This seems really odd to me. What part of he is not town is not sufficient for proof? Bum is plenty experienced to know the folly of betraying your own plan as town, as well as the potential benefits of doing so as mafia/sk. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie. a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched. c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far. It is evident that we have significantly different opinions on playing the game. I have no idea why you would think I would not be all for verifying people's roles when I have made it a significant part of my Roleclaim crusade. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum. I don't you have read my filter at all | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:31 bumatlarge wrote: To be fair, I did see it was a guideline, in that people could use it to see what was going to be picked. In that aspect, no one would really have to worry about tryndamere, because I would know people would have it above me, and that people wouldn't get it below me. If you didn't take it, no one would know I didn't have it, and I would simply "never use it". If push came to shove, I would claim I didn't have it if it became beneficial to use it. Any rolechecks would reveal I'm not hiding any scum oriented role. If jcarl claims, I'll claim. Why are you tying down your claim to Jcarl? He has softclaimed a blue role that cannot deal damage. You've already said that If you have a good role like DT/Medic/Vet, please don't claim. and he is high on my list of "most likely to have a role that fits one of those categories." | ||
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