PYP: League of Legends Mafia - Page 13

On December 06 2013 23:03 kushm4sta wrote:
just changed my mind and i have austin as town now.

On December 06 2013 14:53 austinmcc wrote:
The reason I move on rean is his play since. No reads at all into just me scum always me scum always always i'm scum. If he's mafia, he's not fixing his lack of reads. If he's mafia, he might want a reason to vote me. He burns KP on me last night that they probably want to use on someone who's impacting the game. All things that make him less likely mafia.

On December 06 2013 14:39 austinmcc wrote:
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MZ likely mafia.

If rean/MZ are NOT mafia, then roffles needs scrutinizing. Yes, he's not on my list cuz I liked/shared a lot of his reads. Yes, if they're not mafia that means I was town and wrong, and am saying he might be scummier for being wrong. But I am. Deal.

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On December 06 2013 23:36 Risen wrote:
Anyone want to point me to where I started being on people's scum lists? Thought I was pretty clear town.

On December 06 2013 23:43 austinmcc wrote:
Hi there!

Rean has done SOMETHING since I posted originally about roffles. Yes? He has tunneled me for no given reason, tickled me, and continued to do nothing else. This is a thing with which I can analyze him, update my read. He looks less scummy than before. Is he a paragon of townieness? Would you LIKE to argue that he's a paragon of townieness? Cuz I don't think he is, but he has finally done One Single Thing, and it's a curious thing for mafia to do.

Roffles, on the other hand, has done nothing since his D1 reads. So all I have to read Roffles off of are his D1 posts and his reads. He disliked MZ, that's still fine. He found Rean scummy. Rean was scummy. Rean COULD STILL BE scum. It's less likely than before, but it's a wee bit difficult to swap an entire read based on a dude just tunneling you and doing zero else. While he's DOING something now, it's still not really playing the game, doesn't feel like playing the game. He's just not the tip toppiest target, and if he gets 1 new read every day, soon he'll have like 3 or 4.

But anyway, all I can do with Roffles right now is say that I liked his D1 reads. To the extent they're actually smelly, regardless of what I think about Rean right now, I would think Roffles is more likely to be mafia than if he's correct in his scumreads.

It's not a magical attempt to lynch A after B. It's showing that I've read A, and this is my interpretation of A's filter. Like, without saying "he's kind of a dick/confrontative," what's your read on roffles and what is the most important thing he's done all game?

On December 06 2013 23:52 kushm4sta wrote:
i dont know who to vote for though! my scumreads are pretty shittily researched. mocsta and mig

On December 06 2013 23:59 kushm4sta wrote:
mafia list 2.0
sandoba
mocsta
ss
jcarl

On December 07 2013 00:02 Risen wrote:

I swear you were just saying I was capable of crazy shenans and now you're saying VE is incapable of them. You scam bref?

On December 07 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote:


HE didn't say anything about wanting to lynch rean/mz/ OR roffles. It was simply a statement about connections and whatnot.
OFC his read is wavering on rean. Rean is behaving very anti town.
And all of a sudden in your mind he is lining up lynches??? Scumaustin would know he wasn't in a position to line up shit.

On December 07 2013 00:06 austinmcc wrote:
I don't see boatloads in roffles D1 filter. There's a small amount of reads though, and that's what there is to go on.

If he's only posting about like 3-4 people, I wouldn't think he's posting about scumbuddies. And he leans decent on MZ, brings him up a bunch. MZ, jay, and gtrsrs are the folks he talks about. If MZ is mafia, I don't THINK that out of a tiny tiny subset of people, roffles brings MZ up that much and calls him scummy. Side not that, in his reasons for MZ being mafia, it's partially because people got suspicious of MZ and MZ got hostile. From a dude who...seems to be universally known as pretty hostile. That makes it seem, to me, like a legit read, because I don't think you call someone scummy for a characteristic you're known for if you're mafia? But if MZ town, then the not talking about scumbuddies argument is weaker.

Rean isn't in roffles's filter, but seemed legitimately upset at roffles's kill yourself post. Just gut, that was not a scum on scum reaction, you don't even halfway try to get your scumbuddy banned. You may chew them out in QT, tell them to knock it off before you lose a scum to modkill, but I don't think you go in thread that hard half-asking for a scumbuddy to get disciplined. That's also ALL of rean's personal interaction for D1 basically, he doesn't give much, if anything, in the way of commentary on anyone else. Again, odd if scumbuddies.

So I think a roffles flip makes sense if...probably neither of rean/MZ are scum. You don't immediately flip him, but there are these connections that I draw to roffles based on his filter and rean's reaction. Otherwise, his filter is pretty bare and limited in scope, he has an iffy defense of gtrsrs (doesn't give a crap cuz he didn't get kha'zix, entirely speculative but also feels maybe right), etc.

TL;DR ---- Roffles's filter doesn't give me super happy thoughts. BUT I draw connections to MZ and Rean off his filter. If either of those is scum, I don't think he's likely to be scum because of the interplay between them.

It's mostly that, the...negative side of things? If either of those two is scum, he's unlikely scum. If neither of them is scum, then I don't love his filter and he's lost the connections that might make him town for me.

On December 07 2013 00:12 austinmcc wrote:
+1 and +1

Yes mocsta, it implies I would be looking at roffles for a lynch in that case.

But right now, you're speculating that, essentially, I would take a stance on D2 based on some connections, and then would just hammer it through after AT LEAST 2 flips. If rean and MZ both ever flip, and both flip town, and I post nothing but Roffles's D1 filter and say he should be lynched, then 10000% kill me. If I'm trying to railroad someone that far down the line by pointing out early stuff, sure, I'm mafia trying to set up mislynches.


But holy balls. It feels like you're both speculating that I'm saying "No matter what ever happens, I'm lynching this dude if x occurs." Maybe he actually posts. Maybe he's got a champ that semi-clears him. Who knows? We'll find out later. All I can say is his posting so far doesn't do much for me, but I don't think he's mafia if either of those two are.


At the very least, how do you feel about how I'm drawing connections? You okay with the logic behind why I think he's not scum if either of them are?

On December 07 2013 00:29 austinmcc wrote:
It applies because active and townie into do-nothing is something that I see from a lot of players that get scrutiny. You come out the gate townie, play a lot of D1 looking town, and then you start to trail off, because you really just needed the initial town reads on you.

It's a piece of a pattern, where he comes out with a gtrsrs discussion case, gets some stuff rolling, is chatty and whatnot.

Then he just kind of pokes around VE being town and LSB being scum, but without those same A TOWNIE IS DOING THIS feels.

Then he pokes at koshi.

Then he doesn't really do anything.

It's not just inactivity, I can't call anyone out on that, but it's a pattern from a townie-looking start into just tailing off. I find that progression scummy in a veteran player, because I've seen it a couple times.