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On November 24 2013 21:43 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 21:26 Chezinu wrote:On November 24 2013 21:09 sciberbia wrote:
Hi Chezinu.
Have you been following the game? Nah, just read the rules. Can you explain your story on Day 1? Please include the cause or lack of cause of the mob, the evil deeds of police brutally, friendly fire, and the hero/martyrs among the crowd. I will soon provide a resolution to unite the people against the tyranny of this criminal police state. I'm telling you, the police are nothing but organized criminals. Yes, they are... Mafia. D1 tl;dr wagon on Aquanim which then went away in favor of wagon on Rean which then went away in favor of wagon on rayn who was lynched and flipped vanilla town cause of the mob - to rid itself of the troublesome young raynpelikoneet who was disliked by many of his fellow mobsters and was even suspected by some of working for the police evil deeds of police (brutally) - the police didn't kill anyone last night.. not sure how I can describe this brutallyfriendly fire - well at least 4 mobsters voted for raynpelikoneet martyrs - raynpelikoneet, so enamored with Rean that he was willing to die in Rean's steadheroes - sciberbia
*Sigh* berbia....
Why do you side with the oppressors of our people? How can you say that you are blind to their abuse control and power? What is worse is that you claim to know that Rean is one with our family and mock raynpel's love of our dear brother. You stop not there, but slander the name of our fallen brother raynpel by calling him young and troublesome. I am concerned about your allegiance to the family. And you call yourself a hero?
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On November 24 2013 21:54 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 21:43 sciberbia wrote:On November 24 2013 21:26 Chezinu wrote:On November 24 2013 21:09 sciberbia wrote:
Hi Chezinu.
Have you been following the game? Nah, just read the rules. Can you explain your story on Day 1? Please include the cause or lack of cause of the mob, the evil deeds of police brutally, friendly fire, and the hero/martyrs among the crowd. I will soon provide a resolution to unite the people against the tyranny of this criminal police state. I'm telling you, the police are nothing but organized criminals. Yes, they are... Mafia. D1 tl;dr wagon on Aquanim which then went away in favor of wagon on Rean which then went away in favor of wagon on rayn who was lynched and flipped vanilla town cause of the mob - to rid itself of the troublesome young raynpelikoneet who was disliked by many of his fellow mobsters and was even suspected by some of working for the police evil deeds of police (brutally) - the police didn't kill anyone last night.. not sure how I can describe this brutallyfriendly fire - well at least 4 mobsters voted for raynpelikoneet martyrs - raynpelikoneet, so enamored with Rean that he was willing to die in Rean's steadheroes - sciberbia *Sigh* berbia.... Why do you side with the oppressors of our people? How can you say that you are blind to their abuse control and power? What is worse is that you claim to know that Rean is one with our family and mock raynpel's love of our dear brother. You stop not there, but slander the name of our fallen brother raynpel by calling him young and troublesome. I am concerned about your allegiance to the family. And you call yourself a hero?
I suspect the police have little power here. Perhaps one of them has gained the trust of our mob but the rest seem to cling to the shadows. Rean may very well be one of them; it is dubious whether he is one with our family, as he vanished amid suspicions yesterday and has not been seen since. I assure you I am the hero this town needs. Lend me your vote today and witness as I smite down the opressor that is JarJarDrinks.
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OK, so am I really gonna get lynched for activity because I happened to be busy the for the final hours of the rayn lynch? Nevermind how active I was before then.
I hate when people bring irl stuff into mafia so unless someone really wants to know what I was doing, I'll just say that I was only able to follow by phone and only barely as opposed to being in front of my computer following closely.
I get 8 solid hours each weekday to mafia while @ work and the rest of the time I try to keep up but my activity goes way down. In other words, my activity in this game mirrors my activity in every game of mafia I've ever played here, whether scum or town.
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@JJD
Have you reread Onegu and HolyFlare? What are your conclusions?
Who do you want to lynch today?
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On November 24 2013 16:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
JJD hasn't done anything. Lately he's thrown dirt on Cora, Mocsta, and spent a lot of time talking about HF's claim which would be an easy thing for scum to talk about. He's not talking to people trying to convince them of his reads, and as Mocsta pointed out his delurk timing to defend himself after I randomly voted him doesn't look good. Combine that with what someone just pointed out about his actions leading up the lynch and I think there's a pretty obvious pattern suggesting that he doesn't actually care about discussion or helping town trying to figure out who to lynch. OK, go back and reread and then come back and explain to the town that this did not happen. That's the 2nd time you've posted a lie to make me look scummy.
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@JJD
Also even if you were posting from your phone, why didn't you at least give a brief opinion on what you thought about the lynch? Were you confident about a rayn lynch the entire time? If so why didn't you try to reassure everyone that it was the right move?
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On November 24 2013 22:33 sciberbia wrote:
@JJD
Also even if you were posting from your phone, why didn't you at least give a brief opinion on what you thought about the lynch? Were you confident about a rayn lynch the entire time? If so why didn't you try to reassure everyone that it was the right move? Because it looked like the lynch was a sure thing so I saw no need. When I saw cora unvote and it looked like there might be a mislynch, I was pissed and posted to show that. I just didn't have the time to post a whole lot. And why would I need to since I posted a whole ton of shit against rayn throughout the day? My opinion about the lynch should have been clear.
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Basic Vote Count
Bereft (0): thrawn2112
Rean (1): Aquanim
jampidampi (0): Mocsta, thrawn2112
Onegu (1): cDgCorazon, cDgCorazon
JarJarDrinks (3): cDgCorazon, thrawn2112, Mocsta, sciberbia, Aquanim, Mocsta
sciberbia (1): Mocsta, Chezinu
Holyflare (1): Bereft, Aquanim
Not Voting (4): Rean, Onegu, Holyflare, thrawn2112
No one is currently set to be lynched.
11 players alive means 6 votes to lynch. If you find an error in the vote count, please let me know.
Day 2 ends in at 03:00 GMT (+00:00)
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hmmmm
gonna read jjd filter now.
I'm disappointed onegu is still a no show.
I think the lynch will be between these two players.
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On November 21 2013 01:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:K, so I think Rean looks pretty bad too. Like really bad. Almost every one of his posts seem scummy to me. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Says nothing about the game. Makes an empty threat. Posts completely obvious stuff. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. That's not what he thinks of Mocsta. That's telling us how Mocsta has been acting. It's a recap and nothing more. Did he really think that Bereft was asking how Mocsta was acting and NOT whether he though he scummy or not? Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:14 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. @Rean Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment? I'd say town, scum is typically more laidback. But could just be a good scumbag. So Aqua follows up and he give a very non-committal answer of "probably town but could be scum". Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. @ least aqua is asking stuff. Rean never asked a question or gave any read, aside from the non read I posted above after he was asked TWICE. All his posts were stating the obvious/answering questions unrelated to reads. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote:Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red". Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote:
(A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia
(B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A)
(C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people.
B and C are there as a reminder. Aquanim feels to me like he's getting by too comfortably, but for now its a small lean towards scum as opposed to Corazon/Scib feeling much more scummy to me.And I'm not discrediting you, I want to warn you not to tunnelvision. Tunnelvision impairs you from thinking logically and it's lost me games in the past because I was convinced I was right and tried to make everything seem as if I was. Maybe that's why I seem non-commital, I don't want to repeat the same mistake. You're right that C/S are acting dodgy but don't close your mind. On November 20 2013 15:57 Aquanim wrote:
@Mocsta
If Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants.
@Rean
Why do you want to see me in particular pressured? To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why? So apparently, he now has a scumread from cora? Wasn't he JUST defending him? ##Vote: Rean thrawn
note jjd last point on rean. then note his intro line on nominating rean as scum.
it encapsulates.. more scummy TO ME
this was a pretty detailed post from jjd and was one of the reasons I had a town read on him.. I'm considering jjd sensed rean was going down and bussed him. I haven't checked vote counts to sense timing awareness though.
I'm on tablet tonight so its really hard to quote, but before this jjd goes from scum read on me to unjustified scum read on corazon to this read on rean. I do find it odd that jjd in his first post analysis of team states he is doing nothing, when he is in fact calling out his former scum read corazon.
food for thought
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On November 24 2013 22:29 sciberbia wrote:
@JJD
Have you reread Onegu and HolyFlare? What are your conclusions?
Who do you want to lynch today? I've read though Onegu filter a bunch of times now and I never come away thinking he's scum. We were scumbuddies once and though we won, I wasn,t paticularly impressed w/ his scum play. If onegu's scum here, he's playing it so much better than in our game.
I've read through HF and he come's off as scummy to me. But the Doc claim makes no sense for scum. That's why, as thrawn pointed, I spent a lot of time talking the claim.
I'd probably like to lynch the guy that just replaced in and dropped a random vote w/ like no explaination. And I'm sure someone will say something along the lines of "OMG scum just wants to go after the easy target", but whatever. Jampi was a scummy lurker and it's gonna be forever (barring a scumslip or something) before we get enough on the new guy.
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On November 21 2013 01:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Sorry to repost this again but wanted everyone to know what post we're all talking about since there seems to be some dispute: Show nested quote +On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. So Cora, who thinks sciberia was making a calculated scum play, decides that correct thing to say about it is to tell him to stop. He then gives the person that he believes is smart scum advice on how to find scum. after the rean case, jjd spends a lot of time talking about corazon rocking the boat.
in fairness he was questioned about it by people like jampi, myself, corqzon so its unfair to state he instantly dropped his suspicions on rean.
what I find odd here is that hes not explaining why these points in corazin are conducive to hunting scum.
hes calling out poor/bad play, nothing more.
the disconcerting part is that he is phrasing his points as if they are indeed scummy.
consider his articulation with the rean case. why the sudden inability yo be specific with scum motivation here?
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On November 24 2013 23:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 22:29 sciberbia wrote:
@JJD
Have you reread Onegu and HolyFlare? What are your conclusions?
Who do you want to lynch today? I've read though Onegu filter a bunch of times now and I never come away thinking he's scum. We were scumbuddies once and though we won, I wasn,t paticularly impressed w/ his scum play. If onegu's scum here, he's playing it so much better than in our game. I've read through HF and he come's off as scummy to me. But the Doc claim makes no sense for scum. That's why, as thrawn pointed, I spent a lot of time talking the claim. I'd probably like to lynch the guy that just replaced in and dropped a random vote w/ like no explaination. And I'm sure someone will say something along the lines of "OMG scum just wants to go after the easy target", but whatever. Jampi was a scummy lurker and it's gonna be forever (barring a scumslip or something) before we get enough on the new guy.
so in short. you want town to continue to policy lynch. correct?
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On November 21 2013 04:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 03:50 Mocsta wrote:
"Did you read the Thrawn case?" (on Aquanim)
Yeah, it seems like his reason is basically because aqua isn't scumhunting. I disagree. Aqua is all over Rean for similiar reasons that I (and several others) are. He agree's w/ me on the cora/sci situation, even if he doesn't quite think it makes cora scum like I do. I mean, a huge part of thrawns case is that Aqua is accusing Rean. Which I think is a very town thing to do.
here jjd acknowledges he still has a scum read on corazon.
so I'm perplexed why he ignored rean calling put corazon in his case..
that aside, I find it odd given jjd case on rean that he would not request a lurker lynch on rean.
maybe its because he hasn't been replaced yet, but still odd in general.
3 scum, and he wants to take pot luck on a replacement?
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On November 24 2013 17:28 sciberbia wrote:Lurking through the rayn lynch is by far the single scummiest thing anybody has done this entire game. I can't even imagine myself, as town, reading the 100 posts between pages 50 and 55 (the hour leading up to the lynch), and not posting my thoughts. That's crunch time. That's when the game is won or lost. It's when all the drama happens. The lynch was in question and everybody else online was vehemently discussing it, but JJD was just sitting there passing the time. On the other hand, I can easily see scum doing it. Rayn looked likely to be lynched so scum probably didn't feel much pressure. There's no reason for scum to be posting with a townie lynch coming down the pipeline. Furthermore here JJD expresses his opinion that Onegu is town and HF is scum, but says he will reread. + Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 22:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Gonna reread Onegu but I haven't thought he was scum @ all this game so I doubt that's gonna change. Not crazy about Holyflare so gonna look close @ him.
He never posts the results of this reread. He hasn't been defending Onegu today even though he's looked like the most likely lynch candidate. He hasn't been pushing an HF lynch either. As thrawn says he's too content doing nothing. Combined with what aquanim and thrawn have posted, this feels really right to me. Better than every other lynch.
##Vote: JarJarDrinks
no, sciberia, noo
having just played with JJD i don't see it. his posting is pretty consistent with his last game (where he was town) -- sporadic posts which are occasional one to two liners. having read through his filter, i do not think they are without substance.
i checked through his filter from our last game, and here are his post counts for 2 hours pre-lynch:
day 1: 1
(context: his vote is for scum, who ultimately was lynched)
+ Show Spoiler +On November 02 2013 08:33 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##unvote
##vote: fuba
I can't believe people are voting for one of the most active people in the game when the race is between him and someone w/ 3 posts.
day 2: 0
(context: town was winning by a landslide and the mafia lynch was inevitable)
if you guys are confident about this read i'll really have to reconsider, but right now i'm not willing to vote JJD.
also, i know you guys have expressed wariness to lynch HF after his doctor claim. but look at how he has ignored the important questions directed at him since his claim, and only diverted attention (such as posting his flavor, etc). think about it this way: would a real town doctor have such indifference to getting mislynched? his lack of true strategy when claiming, his bullshit excuse, his indifference...having played with him before, i cannot reconcile to his current behavior and cannot see a scenario where his claim is true.
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On November 21 2013 06:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
JJD. I'm done with that. If you fail to read my filter then I don't feel obliged to answer the same questions over and over again. I have read your filter. No need to answer it again it you did, just please link or quote a post where you explain the reason you had a scumread on sciberia @ that point in the game that isn't because of his first post.
prior I also felt jjd continuation of corqzon was townie.. I,e dog with a bone
however thinking about it more, hes trying to catch corazon out in a lie, but why is this so important to devote over 10posts to?
at no time does he articulate why this sequence from corazon is scummy
the dog with the bone thing is what is bugging me the most. its why I expected jjd to give impetusnthis weekend. he blames activity but he wasnt here much since before the weekend started either.
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bereft,
regarding the doc claim.., I'm inclined to believe hokyflare.. something so outrageous is fucking ballsy as scum. holy has big balls, but this claim is self confirming. let it run its course.
regarding jjd, since you are familat please look over the things I'm starting to point out,
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On November 21 2013 06:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 06:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yeah it better be ok because it's the last I'm answering about it. You're not reading my filter...I made several posts about where I talk about why I was suspicious of Sci. The end. You don't get to end it. Would you rather I vote for you instead of question you about it? Stop saying I'm not reading your filter because I've read it more than I've read anyone elses as evidenced by the fact that I've quoted the shit out of it. The bottom line is: - You said Sci was scummy for his page 1 post - You later said that you would not base a scum read off of page 1 posts - You refuse to acknowledge or defend the above Now I'll stop if you want and are saying you're not gonna address this anymore. But what I posted above are all facts that people should be aware of.
I like this post.
feels pretty sincere as a response
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On November 24 2013 23:34 Mocsta wrote:
that aside, I find it odd given jjd case on rean that he would not request a lurker lynch on rean.
maybe its because he hasn't been replaced yet, but still odd in general.
That's exactly the reason. Rean might get modkilled. I really wish that it was Rean that got replaced because that would easily be my vote.
Furthermore, I tend to think that if there was scum and town that both needed replacement, the mod would rather replace the scum if he had to choose 1.
now gotta for a bit but will be back to explain why you're thoery about me bussing Rean is terrible.
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