EPTWill rean/jamp be modkilled or replaced if they do not vote today?
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Will rean/jamp be modkilled or replaced if they do not vote today? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On November 24 2013 15:12 Bereft wrote: This is good for discussion.I'm not sure how I feel about an onegu lynch. I read your case, Cora, along with his filter. the problem is I find onegu hard to read (both literally and figuratively, the former of which has led to his scum read on me unfortunately). I'm actually very willing to consider that he might be town right now, because his tone sounds very genuine. also, the post where he gave me an out / an opportunity to play the newbie card stands out. I don't see why he would do this as scum: he quoted me on this in his filter (I'd forgotten I'd said this): this will be I-RO-NIC if mocsta's scum. his tone sounds very genuine Fair enough, but what is he discussing that sound genuine? Is any of it related to hunting scum; or is it related to personal opinion/commentary? newbie card gave me an out Did it give you an out; or an opportunity for him not to present his case? I dont recall reading you responding to the case; if you did apologies. If not, did you think the case had merit? Did you think the case would have *MORE* merit if it included "newbie card" factors? At times in this game you have been aggressive and assertive; and other times you have bucked the trend and admitted a policy lynch... What type of newbie does this? I would argue the point is moot. Tunnel on Mocsta Who has the biggest "official" tunnel read on me in the thread Onegu? Holyfalre? JJD? Bereft? Apparently Onegu (Followed closely by Holyflare) Who has actually voiced their concerns publicly in a transparent way. No one (but kinda transparent = JJD + Bereft) All Onegu/Holyflare have done is discredit. Heck, Onegu has been calling me scum for what 5 days of real life now? Yet no case has materialised. Why have players like Bereft/JJd been able to voice concerns about my play over this interval and they arent the strongest advocate of my lynch? Food for thought | ||
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
@Sciberia - how does this relate to your thoughts on Mocsta? do you think it's possible they're scum together? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On November 24 2013 15:45 sciberbia wrote: Also we really need to get this straight. If Rean is going to be replaced rather than modkilled I think we should also consider lynching that slot today. Will rean/jamp be modkilled or replaced if they do not vote today? Yes I know you are trying to be seamless as possible but these two haven't posted in two days. Please be more transparent with us. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I completely endorse that post of yours on p74, 100% As for the host question, may have to PM it to him. Unfortunately, I think its still too early to talk about modkills. These "dipshits" often post in the last 10 minute of the cycle screwing up all planning that occurs - as town or scum. A majority may be difficult as well?? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On November 24 2013 15:47 Mocsta wrote: Scibs I completely endorse that post of yours on p74, 100% As for the host question, may have to PM it to him. Unfortunately, I think its still too early to talk about modkills. These "dipshits" often post in the last 10 minute of the cycle screwing up all planning that occurs - as town or scum. A majority may be difficult as well?? I pm'd OO at the beginning of the cycle and no response. T.T Jampi didn't post at all N1 and he should have been modkilled. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On November 24 2013 15:46 Bereft wrote: @Cora - i find it weak, but i can see where he's coming from. @Sciberia - how does this relate to your thoughts on Mocsta? do you think it's possible they're scum together? Yea I'm still suspicous of Mocsta as well which makes me feel small misgivings about the Onegu lynch. Is it possible Onegu is town and has been right about Mocsta all along? It's a haunting possibility. But I also know that Onegu is a good scum player and likes to bus. I think it's possible they are scum together. Basically my thought process is like this; -- If both Onegu and Mocsta are scum, which I think is definitely possible, Onegu is a good lynch. -- If only one of them is scum, I think it's possible it's Mocsta, but it's more likely Onegu. So Onegu is a good lynch. -- If neither of them is scum my reads are kinda off but if I'm not gonna base my vote off my reads then what am I gonna base it on. I just have to trust in my reads. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On November 24 2013 15:55 Aquanim wrote: The rules are one post each day/night cycle which I don't think means once each day and once each night. Oh I thought day/night meant 1 post every day and 1 post every night. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Replacements This game use replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until I run out/decide I don't need them anymore. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list. Haven't spoken with GMarshal today as he's still out (he would be the "I" in this quote). Making best efforts to find replacement(s) in his absence. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
So here I am most definitely the best lynch today: + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sciberbia If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. And here 4 hours later I'm not even in your top 4. + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote: I'm liking a lunch between jjd/onegu jampi/rean today. jampi/rean might be modkilled so I'm going to join and vote ##unvote ##votte: jarjardrinks Nobody "did a filter dive while you were gone" and proved I was town, so what's the reasoning for this? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
at least we are both suspicious of each other. but I'm surprised u think onegu is a good scum player? he enjoys playing scum,but skates by all his games by being allowed to useless as town or scum. hardly anything to be proud of. what do you think regarding the discussion prompters I put up from berefts comments? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On November 24 2013 16:05 sciberbia wrote: nothing. you constantly make me paranoid with absense. so I make a point against you and you alleviate that paranoia.@Mocsta So here I am most definitely the best lynch today: + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sciberbia If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. And here 4 hours later I'm not even in your top 4. + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote: I'm liking a lunch between jjd/onegu jampi/rean today. jampi/rean might be modkilled so I'm going to join and vote ##unvote ##votte: jarjardrinks Nobody "did a filter dive while you were gone" and proved I was town, so what's the reasoning for this? painful but true. gonna be out for 3 to 4 hrs now. if you want anything else, lemme k ow | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On November 24 2013 16:07 Mocsta wrote: but I'm surprised u think onegu is a good scum player? he enjoys playing scum,but skates by all his games by being allowed to useless as town or scum. hardly anything to be proud of. being able to 'skate by' is pretty good scum play, no? The objective of playing scum is to never get lynched. The one game I played with Onegu he was the sole surviving scum which won his team the game. On top of that, my personal read on him was town the entire game. So yea I think he's a good scum player. On November 24 2013 16:07 Mocsta wrote: what do you think regarding the discussion prompters I put up from berefts comments? Can you point me to the specific post? You've been talking to bereft a lot recently and I'm not sure which post you're referring to. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Being scum and actively pushing townie lynches and avoiding suspicion is good scum play. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
The Rayn lynch There were five of us on the Rayn wagon until consolidation happened: Aquanim, Thrawn, Mocsta, Bereft, and JarJarDrinks. The case for Rayn scum was passable but in hindsight had some holes (in particular I'm thinking of the meta point Sciberbia raised). The extra ingredient which made the Rayn wagon justifiable to the townies on the Rayn wagon was genuine frusturation with Rayn's play. Representative quotes: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote: I thought you had bigger balls. I don't want to play with Rayn anymore full stop. We had a good town environment until page 25ish and I was relaly enjoying this game. He has single handedly shit the thread and this game has completely denigrated into somethign I have no interest playing anymore. My vote is staying on Rayn. /post-game If rayn is town this game, you will be added to my personal ban list. Im pretty fucking disgusted right now. On November 22 2013 10:02 Bereft wrote: hahaha. classic. anyone who thinks you are town is town. Most of JJD's posts about Rayn are on page 3 of his filter: link And sure, JJD has a fair few posts expressing dissatisfaction with Rayn. However, I'm not sure I buy it quite so much as the posts of Mocsta, Bereft and Thrawn. This is mostly a gut thing, and I'm not certain that JJD was not genuine. The largest difference in the properties of JJD's posts to everybody else's which I can see is that JJD focuses in on individual flaws in Rayn's arguments rather than generalising to the entirety of Rayn's play. An inability to see the bigger picture *could* be indicative of a scum who isn't thinking about the game seriously and trying to get a rounded view of Rayn's posts. Overall contribution In fact I would characterise most of JJD's contibutions as focusing in on individual posts which he finds scummy rather than giving an opinion on a player as a whole. I would consider this a scummy way to approach the game - as a townie I certaintly try to evaluate a player's entire filter before giving a read, whereas I can imagine scum wouldn't go to the effort. My impression from a look at his town game in Newbie 39 (link) and in Basterd Mafia  link)is that the quality of his thought is better there - there's more assimilation of the entirety of each player's filter into a judgement of their alignment. Particularly in Basterd I also think his play is more dynamic and he's more interested in the game.In Bluelightz as scum: (link) I think he cherrypicks aspects of a person's filter more, like he's doing this game. I really haven't gone into much depth on my meta reading but my feeling is that this game is more similar to his scum meta than his town one. It's a vague feeling, though. Conclusion: JJD's filter gives me bad feelings now but I can't pin down what makes him scummier than Onegu/Holyflare/(Rean/Jampidampi). He's no longer a townread. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On November 24 2013 16:16 cDgCorazon wrote: Being scum and "skating by" isn't the sign of good scum play. It's the sign of either bad town play or just sheer luck. Being scum and actively pushing townie lynches and avoiding suspicion is good scum play. Scum win the game by not getting lynched. Not by actively pushing townie lynches and avoiding suspicion. Those things help, but in the end their win condition is to not get lynched, any way they can. So I consider skating by = good scum play. This is kinda irrelevant though so last I'm saying about it. | ||
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