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Bereft
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are you saying i stole your thunder? | ||
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Corazon
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Care to respond to this? On November 24 2013 13:14 cDgCorazon wrote: Wow. You didn't read my case. Did you? | ||
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Aquanim
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Aquanim
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thrawn2112
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On November 24 2013 13:57 Aquanim wrote: EBWOP: The only thing stopping me from lynching Holy right now is that doctor claim. same here | ||
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Corazon
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Bereft
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On November 24 2013 11:56 cDgCorazon wrote: @sci No, I don't think Mocsta is scum. I think he's just being Mocsta. This same kind of random-ass tunnel crap he's given is the same reason Rayn is dead. I don't think it's because Mocsta is scum, I think it is because Mocsta is trying to chase every single thing that makes someone a potential scum member. i'm not taking an issue with mocsta being thorough. that's fine. i'm taking issue with him making a horrible case and having very inconsistent reads. do you think there's any actual substance behind this post? i think it's fine (albeit bizarre) that he chooses to comment on scib's motives, given the wealth of other glaring things to look at today. but i find it incredibly scummy of him to actually say "until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today". On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sciberbia If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. he also says this: On November 24 2013 09:26 Mocsta wrote: (A) I'm not happy with how this cycle has started. Theres been a couple cases - resulting in delurks to dismiss (e.g. Scibs to Onegu); but in my opinion, no one has seriously tried to drive the thread towards a lynch. Maybe the weekend is a valid excuse - heck I was busy as, yesterday; and somewhat today. However, I still expect town to make check-ins (much like I did yesterday). Its not hard, is it? This leads to be disappointed people like Rean/jampidampi are non-existent, and in particular, players like JJD/Bereft have barely posted. The game is not solved, everyone needs to step up and contribute more: query posts, build cases, push a scum target I don't like the way he tries to establish thread leader presence given that he was afk for a chunk of this cycle himself -- it comes off as forced and an attempt to paint himself in a protown light. he then tells people that we're complacent and that the game is not solved. that sentence makes no sense to me. sure, activity has dwindled, but who here thinks the game is solved??? until i see 3 red flips, i sure as hell don't. he also says i have barely posted. to call me out for inactivity is just bizarre (not necessarily scummy though). | ||
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Bereft
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Bereft
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Corazon
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Bereft
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on a side note, it's not the word choice that i find interesting. we know from marv's game that scum!mocsta's way of dealing with a townie on his case is to confront them head on and say, "You are tunneled." we see him telling onegu the same thing. i'll read your case and onegu's filter. i find it hard to imagine them being scum buddies, so maybe some insight on one may enlighten me on the other. | ||
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Corazon
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Mocsta
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Bereft pointer between the two games where I am confirmed scum; indicates I am town this game. (1) When referring to onegu, i call him tunneled and then imemdiately ask him questions to try and probe his alignment. (2) When referring to Artanis, I call him tunnel, discredit him and then suggest him to go look for scum elsewhere. Two extremely different approaches to the same issue (someone tunneling me as scum). The difference in approach is due to motive. In (2) I just want to get the heat off me. In (1) I am actually trying to figure out if this guy is sincere in his tunnel to justify lack of contribution. You know what, yes, Bereft. I have come in and given pro-town spiels asking others to contribute whilst throwing very low-mature reads. In hindsight that's contradictory, yes. But, I openly acknowledged i have low time this weekedn to play mafia, and its frustrating to specifically make an effort to check in, and the thread count hasn't moved -- and when it does move its the same people talking. Corazon/Aquanim/myself. Yes, I need to do less "spiels" and moer "filter diving" with pause before conclusions; and after tonight i will be doing that. To insinuate scum because I have ben transparent is dumb. However, to take that one step further and consider me a viable lynched.. thats just plain stupid. Lastly, as others already said, the onyl thing keeping me from lynching Holy is the claim. I wanted him gone night1 more than anyone else and I raised several valid points against him. The fact remains that his claim is self-confirming. If he is doctor; scum If there is 2 KP; we lynch him D3. Even though I think he is scum, I would rather try and find the other 2. ##Unvote JJD yes that was harsh of a vote. You were one of the people I was expecting to drive the thread this cycle, so I Corazon Yes, if Onegu doesn't give his case in say the next 6 to 8hrs, I want him lynched. Hes in the same time zone as me; and typically is active starting from around the next 6 hrs. Hes had ample opportunity to deliver the case, and considering he was fixated on me, should have never really done bereft first. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On November 24 2013 13:21 Aquanim wrote: I'm saying it looks like he's voting for me right now simply because thread sentiment has turned against me. I mean check this:@JJD: Are you seriously asserting that Mocsta's overall gameplan this game is to look for a wagon to sheep? Please give evidence if this is so. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 14:49 Mocsta wrote: Guys, Im about 60% through my re-read (so up to about p20) - taking a breather and only skimmed the content since Bereft voted ?rean? Firstly, we need to start consolidating a vote as 7 is required to secure a lynch. Next, this is my group of strong town reads from p5 -> p20 {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Rayn} Yes, I do not think Aquanim is scum anymore. I think he has a different mentality and Thrawn and myself misinterpreted his intentions. Aquanim has actually been very open and transparent in a confused/wishy-washy manner; as opposed to wishy-washy in an intentionally misleading manner. This is my group of tentative town reads from p5->p20 (i.e. people i dont have interest to lynch this cycle) {Corazon, Bereft, Onegu, LoneMeow} Yes, Onegu is here. In hindsight it would be suicide as scum to come out and say he had a scum read on me and Thrawn. Unless his mission was to shit the thread, which I think is grasping at straws. I egged Onegu so will accept responsiblity for getting him to tunnel me. Thus, this is my pile of shit left over: for todays lynch {Rean, Sciberbia, jampidampi} (Currently, i actually think these 3 *are* the scum team too) Rean already has traction, so lets hit the 7 with him. ##Vote: Rean On November 21 2013 17:25 Mocsta wrote: Read the whole game. Updated reads list: The Good: {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Bereft} The Bad: {Onegu, LoneMeow, Rayn, Sciberbia} The Ugly: {Rean, jampidampi, Corazon} On November 22 2013 09:33 Mocsta wrote: This is a good post too. Even if rayn was town, there is no reason for aqua to articulate himself like this as rayn is ripe for the picking. The jjd case was possibly the biggest pile of crap I have read in this game. On November 23 2013 10:59 Mocsta wrote: Thrawn Very quick. In phone thoughts with no reread Jjd Still town. I like the way he kept pushing Corazon about a point. He's always backing himself up with filter so good consistency. I don't like that he assumed rayn could be right about Me.. but. Town can make those snap calls all the time. Plus jjd was suspicious of me at the start so I think there is progression to his comment. Still town Bereft Yeah I'm a little concerned went into a big spiel to justify rayn lynch. Um not sorry about it. I'm not really sure the town motive to give that spiel as bereft wasn't under pressure to justify actions. I'm not sure if bereft is a townie that wanted to policy lynch rayn but doesn't want to admit. Or is scum hiding behind policy and again doesn't want to admit it. Inoe that onegu presented the quote where bereft thinks onegu case wasn't on me but Cora.. I have to think about it. Iverlall I would say that tell is null because that onegu case was so poorly formatted abd constructed it's message was never clear. Will give bereft benefit of the doubt and say slight town lean. If anything is not worth considering when people like holy abd onegu are alive Lastly I did not like how onegu addressed me over night. Seemed almost like a begging for forgiveness yonr. If onegu really thought I was scum I would have expected more venom. Food for thought. Gotta go. Sorry I couldn't be of more use Yeah I get that peoples reads can change. But that's a pretty huge change. And heck that last post was from this cycle. | ||
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Corazon
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It already doesn't help that you don't move the thread but now you're just talking about someone who isn't going to get lynched today. It's not helping. I want to tell you this in the most friendly, "we are on the same team" way. You need to be more active and more relevant if town is going to have a chance of winning. That goes to Bereft/Thrawn as well. The people who aren't lurking but don't have great thread presence. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On November 24 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote: Pretty sure I end up defending my weekend inactivity in every game I play. The majority of the time I get to mafia is weekdays @ work. I do what I can on weekends.You were one of the people I was expecting to drive the thread this cycle, so I Also check again. I didn't delurks when voted. I rejoined the thread before thrawn made his case/voted. | ||
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Bereft
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the problem is I find onegu hard to read (both literally and figuratively, the former of which has led to his scum read on me unfortunately). I'm actually very willing to consider that he might be town right now, because his tone sounds very genuine. also, the post where he gave me an out / an opportunity to play the newbie card stands out. I don't see why he would do this as scum: On November 23 2013 19:05 Onegu wrote: @bereft Serious question how new are you? This drasticly influeances my read on you. Im going to make my case on you anyway because its halfway done and alot of is still relevant for you to answer he quoted me on this in his filter (I'd forgotten I'd said this): On November 22 2013 02:19 Bereft wrote: also cmon Onegu m'boy. I gave you a town read when no one else thought so. live up to the high hopes I have for you and make the right vote! this will be I-RO-NIC if mocsta's scum. | ||
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Bereft
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On November 24 2013 15:03 cDgCorazon wrote: JJD, to be honest, Mocsta's frustration is warranted. Outside of myself/Aqua/Mocsta, no one else is driving the thread. I honestly think Mocsta is frustrated because no one is talking. It already doesn't help that you don't move the thread but now you're just talking about someone who isn't going to get lynched today. It's not helping. I want to tell you this in the most friendly, "we are on the same team" way. You need to be more active and more relevant if town is going to have a chance of winning. That goes to Bereft/Thrawn as well. The people who aren't lurking but don't have great thread presence. if this is true, I think basically this means I can't play TL mafia unless I'm on vacation. because this is me making an effort to be active, believe it or not. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On November 24 2013 15:16 Bereft wrote: if this is true, I think basically this means I can't play TL mafia unless I'm on vacation. because this is me making an effort to be active, believe it or not. TBH your activity now is good, it would just be nice if more people could replicate it for longer. The same 3 people talking is never good for town. About Onegu, I don't think his "genuineness" is enough to outweigh all of the things that I said about him. Do you think his case on you is from a townie trying to find scum? | ||
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sciberbia
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Claim aside, the rest of HF's play makes him likely scum. He was granted a new lease on life by not being shot and what has he done with it? Nothing really. Just rambling on about his claim being good for town. Doesn't seem to be making any effort to solve the game. Given that he expects to be dead soon this is pretty scummy. Still I think lynching him is a significantly worse play than lynching Onegu today. If he is the real doctor, that would be a HUGE mistake. But if he is scum, we don't really lose anything by lynching him tomorrow instead of today. So I'm inclined to think we should let him be for a day and hope he is either shot N2 or makes a save (or both). If neither we should probably lynch him tomorrow. One point really I liked from Cora's case was how Onegu initially showed suspicion on rayn, helping to build the pressure against him, but then changed his mind when a rayn wagon materialized, parked his vote on Mocsta and afk'd. The timing is pretty suspicious, because he helps build pressure against rayn, but then absolves himself from the townie lynch wagon, and blames the lynch on Mocsta and Bereft. This point on top of Onegu's mediocre Bereft case keeps him as the best lynch right now. I'm holding onto my vote for now but it will be on Onegu unless he convinces me otherwise. | ||
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