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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 02:54 GMT
#1421
On November 24 2013 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Cora, are you a doc and that's why you don't buy HFs claim? Threre's no reason to keep it secret if it's true since scum will likely suspect you anyway.


Are you scum trying to out doctors when there is quite clearly one here?
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 24 2013 02:54 GMT
#1422
On November 24 2013 11:44 Holyflare wrote:
Also @ scib. My actual thought process was that I have contributed nothing and likely couldn't till the end of the weekend, if I just tell them I'm actually the doctor right now scum can get rid of me instead of someone who contributes and it would avoid a lot of wasted effort on this day focusing on me. It doesn't matter who i saved really and who i announced because if I didn't die then they saved their kp for a double kill the next night. If by chance they missed what I said then thrawn was a likely target.


Wait so you purposefully claimed doctor with time before the deadline in the hopes that scum would see your claim and shoot you last night?
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 24 2013 02:54 GMT
#1423
On November 24 2013 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Cora, are you a doc and that's why you don't buy HFs claim? Threre's no reason to keep it secret if it's true since scum will likely suspect you anyway.

I'm not a doc. The claim is just really ridiculous.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 02:55 GMT
#1424
Yup
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 24 2013 02:56 GMT
#1425
@sci

No, I don't think Mocsta is scum. I think he's just being Mocsta. This same kind of random-ass tunnel crap he's given is the same reason Rayn is dead. I don't think it's because Mocsta is scum, I think it is because Mocsta is trying to chase every single thing that makes someone a potential scum member.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 02:56 GMT
#1426
lazy reads 3.0

town mocsta corazon bereft aqua (very confident about all of these except maybe aqua)

undecided (not null) rean scib jampi hf

scum: onegu jarjar

+ Show Spoiler [stream of consciousness notes on reads] +
-mocsta still town... no further comment

-corazon's behavior has been very townie even if it's not in a pro-town way. after he decided to start playing again his posts have been pretty good

-i am glad i tunneled bereft because now i have a fairly strong town read as a result. felt like I could see right into his brain while we were chatting

-aqua....hmm, aqua. it may be the case that I just have a hard-on for calling him scum. the reason I changed my mind is because he's been active and has not shied away from participating in pretty much every discussion that happens while he's in the thread. he has an opinion on everything and that is townie

-jampi would be in the scum group except that I looked at his game history and saw that he gets lynched a lot and can play how he's playing this game. undecided. possibly a good lurker lynch but I dont really feel like lurker lynching

-scib. i might call him town but I don't feel strongly enough about that read to do so. i have spent the least time reading his filter compared to the time spent reading everyone else's

-hf's claim makes no sense. there are a lot of things i thought was weird about it, that he had me as such a strong town read but earlier was trying to discredit me through my rayn vote. he gave a different explanation every time he was asked about the claim and none of them make sense. however I do not want to act on these suspicions until at least D3 unless I end up thinking he's scum for other reasons before then. actually.... something just occurred to me. why would scum hf claim doctor? to take credit for saving me... but why would he do this? there's no real reason, he wasn't really under enough suspicion to take that gamble. at first I thought "he's gonna try to look town for saving me while withholding a nk." but then when his scumteam takes 2 shots the next day, he would be exposed. that doesn't make sense. maybe town who derp claimed?

-rean. rean, rean, oh rean. where are you rean? I have a different impression of his filter every time I read it. I was hoping to come to a conclusion on this read based on his D2 posts.......

-onegu. don't like any of the cases he's made. agree with what others (mainly Cor) have said. might vote

-jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 24 2013 02:57 GMT
#1427
On November 24 2013 11:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Cora, are you a doc and that's why you don't buy HFs claim? Threre's no reason to keep it secret if it's true since scum will likely suspect you anyway.


Are you scum trying to out doctors when there is quite clearly one here?

I think multiple docs is unlikely. I'm trying to figure out why cora doesn't buy your claim.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 24 2013 03:00 GMT
#1428
On November 24 2013 11:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:54 Holyflare wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Cora, are you a doc and that's why you don't buy HFs claim? Threre's no reason to keep it secret if it's true since scum will likely suspect you anyway.


Are you scum trying to out doctors when there is quite clearly one here?

I think multiple docs is unlikely. I'm trying to figure out why cora doesn't buy your claim.


It's pretty simple he wants to mislynch the doctor to save himself using kp on me.

Either way, if 2kp happens tonight and I'm not one of them you can lynch me but there are scum to find so I suggest you get to that because I will be soon.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 03:01 GMT
#1429
On November 24 2013 11:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 11:54 Holyflare wrote:
On November 24 2013 11:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Cora, are you a doc and that's why you don't buy HFs claim? Threre's no reason to keep it secret if it's true since scum will likely suspect you anyway.


Are you scum trying to out doctors when there is quite clearly one here?

I think multiple docs is unlikely. I'm trying to figure out why cora doesn't buy your claim.


What I'm curious about is why you bought HF's claim so easily, and why, if you think he's town, do you insist on outing every single roll to confirm your thoughts about a claim you already accept as true?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 03:01 GMT
#1430
role
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 03:04 GMT
#1431
On November 24 2013 11:50 sciberbia wrote:
@Aquanim, Cora
How likely do you think Mocsta is to be scum?
...

Very unlikely. I have prior experience with Mocsta (Newbie XXXIII, TL Mafia LX, obsed some other games of his) and gut is screaming town. His jumping from read to read, changing previous reads with a new perspective, and occasionally less-than-well-thought-out arguments are what I'd expect from him.

I think if it weren't for Mocsta this thread would be pretty dead overall, he's been doing a lot of the pushing. Just on those grounds I think he's town and certainly a terrible lynch today.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 24 2013 03:04 GMT
#1432
On November 24 2013 11:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story.
Don't make it like I'm asking people to just roleclaim their role. I think it would be unlikely to have 2 docs so I asked cora to claim doc if that's the reason he hasn't bought the claim from the begining. Trading a doc claim to catch scum is worth it. Especially if scum probably would suspect him (which they would).

Saying that I "asked other people to claim" is a lie. I asked ONE person to conditionally claim.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 03:05 GMT
#1433
##Vote: JarJarDrinks

I might can do the Onegu thing but I need to reaffirm my position on him. I am much more confident about JarJar for the reasons I posted in the "notes" spoiler and what I said in my last quote.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 24 2013 03:06 GMT
#1434
On November 24 2013 12:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
you insist on outing every single roll
citation needed
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 24 2013 03:09 GMT
#1435
On November 24 2013 12:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Vote: JarJarDrinks

I might can do the Onegu thing but I need to reaffirm my position on him. I am much more confident about JarJar for the reasons I posted in the "notes" spoiler and what I said in my last quote.

Please vote Onegu I spent like an hour on that case and you are the only one who has acknowledged its existence...
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 03:10 GMT
#1436
On November 24 2013 12:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Vote: JarJarDrinks

I might can do the Onegu thing but I need to reaffirm my position on him. I am much more confident about JarJar for the reasons I posted in the "notes" spoiler and what I said in my last quote.

My read on JJD yesterday was town but I haven't looked at him again in some time. I'll reassess him.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 03:11 GMT
#1437
On November 24 2013 12:09 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 12:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Vote: JarJarDrinks

I might can do the Onegu thing but I need to reaffirm my position on him. I am much more confident about JarJar for the reasons I posted in the "notes" spoiler and what I said in my last quote.

Please vote Onegu I spent like an hour on that case and you are the only one who has acknowledged its existence...

Duly acknowledged. I want to see his Mocsta case before I make firm conclusions about Onegu's alignment.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 24 2013 03:14 GMT
#1438
On November 24 2013 12:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Vote: JarJarDrinks

I might can do the Onegu thing but I need to reaffirm my position on him. I am much more confident about JarJar for the reasons I posted in the "notes" spoiler and what I said in my last quote.

Are you Fn kidding me? + Show Spoiler +
On November 24 2013 11:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
-jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum
THAT'S your case? You don't like my posts? Well way to make a case that I couldn't possibly defend myself against. What don't you like about my posts. Why is it scummy to focus on cora? Why is it scummy to ask for flavor? This is the most vague bullshit case I've seen. The only thing you posted that is actually scummy is a complete lie.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 03:17 GMT
#1439
On November 23 2013 00:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
The fact that you think that rayn was completly wrong w/ all of his reads and gave me AND bereft townreads after the flip is suspicious to me.


townie "the thing you did is suspicious"

scummy "the thing you did is suspicious to me"

Reason? It's forced and fake. "Is suspicious" is more aggressive/confrontational, or townie. When you say something "is suspicious" you are saying that something is suspicious. You are trying to make a point to everyone else in the thread that X person is scummy for X reasons. When you say something "is suspicious to me" you are allowing that maybe it's not that suspicious, but it is to you. It's also forced and fake because it's too many words. When you want to say something there is a natural way of saying it, and natural ways of saying things have a lower word-count than ways of saying things thought up by somebody who is lying.


On November 24 2013 12:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 12:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
you insist on outing every single roll
citation needed


Making an issue over obvious sarcasm is scummy.

Corazon I will look into Onegu. Obviously I agree with you but I want to see this through first.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
November 24 2013 03:35 GMT
#1440
On November 24 2013 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 12:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On November 24 2013 12:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
you insist on outing every single roll
citation needed


Making an issue over obvious sarcasm is scummy.
Uh no. It's not sarcasm because you said the same thing in your "case" against me?

On November 24 2013 11:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
-jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum
So were you being sarcastinc there too? If not, please explain why you lied.
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