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On November 24 2013 09:13 Aquanim wrote:
lol never mind
I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response.
But whatevers,
I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon.
Things I remember from Scibs
- Terrible case on Corazon
- Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle
- Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today.
Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sciberbia
If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead.
until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today.
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On November 24 2013 09:12 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 08:38 Aquanim wrote:On November 24 2013 08:21 Mocsta wrote:
Aquanim
What do you think of Scibs response to Onegu regarding that Bereft case? I think he raises fair points about the Bereft case. I would have worded them quite differently, but that's unimportant. Sciberbia didn't touch on every point, which honestly makes me feel better about him - he adressed the ones he thought were important and therefore made a judgement about which were important. I'm inclined to agree with his judgement. Points he didn't talk about, like "tunnels Rayn but is OK to vote Cora now", the Venn diagram, and some other miscellaneous posts, were in fact more peripheral to Onegu's case and generally far less conclusive. I disagree - that it makes me feel better about him. I'm concerned. So heres context for question 2. - Scibs from late Day1 has Onegu as his best scum read. Do you think Scibs was addressing Onegu's case as if he was talking to a top scum read?
I think Sciberbia's post here is saying he prefers a Jampi or Rean lynch over Onegu. That being said, your question of "Is Sciberbia adressing Onegu like a scum read?" still holds.
In my opinion, Sciberbia is adressing Onegu in a reasonable tone and without accusing/insiniuating that Onegu is scum, with the purpose of drawing Onegu into discussion and exposing Onegu's thought process so that Sciberbia can try to determine whether said thought process is that of a town Onegu or not.
Especially early in the day I think it's more important to try to draw out more information than to be directly pushing a lynch. I also think that Onegu will respond better to reasonable questioning such as Sciberbia has done than to direct pressure, and I think Sciberbia has correctly identified this.
+ Show Spoiler +On the other hand, my impression of Rean from this game is that he isn't going to contribute much of anything without direct pressure. Furthermore, I doubt that if I was to try to speak reasonably to Rean he would reply reasonably, given that presumably I'm still his alleged top scumread. If somebody else who Rean has no reason/excuse to just shout back at would like to speak with him on more reasonable terms, I would appreciate that.
tl;dr I think Sciberbia's approach to drawing Onegu into discussion is entirely consistent with a town mindset.
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On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote:I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response.
It didn't but then I closed the tab by accident :/
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I can see your point of view that Sciberbia has failed to campaign effectively for his views as a general rule, though I think what he has done has contributed to town in his own fashion. I think I'd better go read his meta to see if this is consistent (unfortunately IIRC he has no scum games).
I think the next step is to obtain other opinions and await a response by Sciberbia.
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On November 22 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote:On November 22 2013 12:32 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu is someone who prides himself in reading rayn, he even started to call him town at his last post before he afk'd. If he knew rayn was displaying his towny attributes why did he not try and convince any of you that he wasn't scum? Well, his last post was at like 3am.. i dunno So.. am I still scum to you? From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all.
On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Also when are people going to realize this is a game of logic not emotion, rayn never personally attacks people, he only attacks thier gameplay. I have a problem when people are attacked with personal assults that have nothing to do with the game rayn never does this. Rayn forces his reads down your throat, and when he is throwning reads everywhere and changeing them constantly its difficult to follow, but when he tunnels onto someone most of the time he is right. And in this game say what you want rayn was playing the game and wanting to policy lynch him for it dumb. Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game?
Why are these posts basically the same? Why are they both attacking Mocsta and trying to pass the blame for the Rayn lynch solely on him? Cause they are scum!
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On November 24 2013 09:38 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote:On November 22 2013 12:32 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu is someone who prides himself in reading rayn, he even started to call him town at his last post before he afk'd. If he knew rayn was displaying his towny attributes why did he not try and convince any of you that he wasn't scum? Well, his last post was at like 3am.. i dunno So.. am I still scum to you? From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all. Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Also when are people going to realize this is a game of logic not emotion, rayn never personally attacks people, he only attacks thier gameplay. I have a problem when people are attacked with personal assults that have nothing to do with the game rayn never does this. Rayn forces his reads down your throat, and when he is throwning reads everywhere and changeing them constantly its difficult to follow, but when he tunnels onto someone most of the time he is right. And in this game say what you want rayn was playing the game and wanting to policy lynch him for it dumb. Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why are these posts basically the same? Why are they both attacking Mocsta and trying to pass the blame for the Rayn lynch solely on him? Cause they are scum!
Do you think one of them could be town and the other one scum sheeping a convenient opinion?
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On November 24 2013 09:41 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:38 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 22 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote:On November 22 2013 12:32 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu is someone who prides himself in reading rayn, he even started to call him town at his last post before he afk'd. If he knew rayn was displaying his towny attributes why did he not try and convince any of you that he wasn't scum? Well, his last post was at like 3am.. i dunno So.. am I still scum to you? From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all. On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Also when are people going to realize this is a game of logic not emotion, rayn never personally attacks people, he only attacks thier gameplay. I have a problem when people are attacked with personal assults that have nothing to do with the game rayn never does this. Rayn forces his reads down your throat, and when he is throwning reads everywhere and changeing them constantly its difficult to follow, but when he tunnels onto someone most of the time he is right. And in this game say what you want rayn was playing the game and wanting to policy lynch him for it dumb. Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why are these posts basically the same? Why are they both attacking Mocsta and trying to pass the blame for the Rayn lynch solely on him? Cause they are scum! Do you think one of them could be town and the other one scum sheeping a convenient opinion?
To be honest they look like the exact same post and neither of them were followed up with any suspicion on Mocsta. I think it's more likely that HF was trying to distance himself from the lynch and Onegu is trying to pretend to scum-hunt to gain the town cred he so desperately needs right now. I could see both of them trying this.
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Btw trying to attack Jampi is probably not going to work. He's probably getting replaced. Perhaps Rean will too.
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On November 24 2013 09:44 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:41 Aquanim wrote:On November 24 2013 09:38 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 22 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote:On November 22 2013 12:32 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu is someone who prides himself in reading rayn, he even started to call him town at his last post before he afk'd. If he knew rayn was displaying his towny attributes why did he not try and convince any of you that he wasn't scum? Well, his last post was at like 3am.. i dunno So.. am I still scum to you? From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all. On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Also when are people going to realize this is a game of logic not emotion, rayn never personally attacks people, he only attacks thier gameplay. I have a problem when people are attacked with personal assults that have nothing to do with the game rayn never does this. Rayn forces his reads down your throat, and when he is throwning reads everywhere and changeing them constantly its difficult to follow, but when he tunnels onto someone most of the time he is right. And in this game say what you want rayn was playing the game and wanting to policy lynch him for it dumb. Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why are these posts basically the same? Why are they both attacking Mocsta and trying to pass the blame for the Rayn lynch solely on him? Cause they are scum! Do you think one of them could be town and the other one scum sheeping a convenient opinion? To be honest they look like the exact same post and neither of them were followed up with any suspicion on Mocsta. I think it's more likely that HF was trying to distance himself from the lynch and Onegu is trying to pretend to scum-hunt to gain the town cred he so desperately needs right now. I could see both of them trying this.
I'm not certain I understood the point correctly. Are you saying that they are both scum for having the same opinion, or each of them is scum individually because they have that opinion and it's scummy?
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On November 24 2013 09:47 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 24 2013 09:41 Aquanim wrote:On November 24 2013 09:38 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 22 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote:On November 22 2013 12:32 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu is someone who prides himself in reading rayn, he even started to call him town at his last post before he afk'd. If he knew rayn was displaying his towny attributes why did he not try and convince any of you that he wasn't scum? Well, his last post was at like 3am.. i dunno So.. am I still scum to you? From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all. On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Also when are people going to realize this is a game of logic not emotion, rayn never personally attacks people, he only attacks thier gameplay. I have a problem when people are attacked with personal assults that have nothing to do with the game rayn never does this. Rayn forces his reads down your throat, and when he is throwning reads everywhere and changeing them constantly its difficult to follow, but when he tunnels onto someone most of the time he is right. And in this game say what you want rayn was playing the game and wanting to policy lynch him for it dumb. Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why are these posts basically the same? Why are they both attacking Mocsta and trying to pass the blame for the Rayn lynch solely on him? Cause they are scum! Do you think one of them could be town and the other one scum sheeping a convenient opinion? To be honest they look like the exact same post and neither of them were followed up with any suspicion on Mocsta. I think it's more likely that HF was trying to distance himself from the lynch and Onegu is trying to pretend to scum-hunt to gain the town cred he so desperately needs right now. I could see both of them trying this. I'm not certain I understood the point correctly. Are you saying that they are both scum for having the same opinion, or each of them is scum individually because they have that opinion and it's scummy?
The second one
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EBWOP: and if the former, don't you think that two scum deliberately pushing the same unpopular opinion together is rather risky?
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@Holyflare: just because you've claimed doctor doesn't mean you get to peace out and not contribute anything today. I think you're online at the moment, so why not come in and talk to us?
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That onegu thing is really REALLY scummy by the way.
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Corazon, do you think Sciberbia is scum?
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Also, some guy asked me to claim my flavour at some point, I think it was bereft? What is the point of that when scum get fake claims?
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On November 24 2013 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
That onegu thing is really REALLY scummy by the way.
Which Onegu thing? The case he made on Bereft, Sciberbia's comments on that case, Onegu's opinion agreeing with yours, or something else? be specific.
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On November 24 2013 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
Also, some guy asked me to claim my flavour at some point, I think it was bereft? What is the point of that when scum get fake claims?
What's the point of claiming doctor in the first place. If you're going to do something stupid you might as well go all the way.
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On November 24 2013 09:58 Aquanim wrote:
Corazon, do you think Sciberbia is scum?
I'm not very confident in sciberia being scum. I appreciate the quality of his posts and the transparency he has shown throughout most of the game. I don't want to lynch him today.
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The part where he pretty much copies exactly what I said. He even replied to my point saying it here:
On November 22 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 12:58 Holyflare wrote:
I told you them in LXIII, a game in which both you and thrawn were/are in. How do you not know what rayn town tells are by now? Stop multiple people you have mentioned havent flipped.
He clearly acknowledges what I have said and then doesn't write about it at all until he returns with the exact same thing I have said. You think scum/scum do that? I don't think so. You clearly have no idea how I play and trust me it is not terribly like you assume, maybe you should read around me a bit.
On November 24 2013 09:59 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
Also, some guy asked me to claim my flavour at some point, I think it was bereft? What is the point of that when scum get fake claims? What's the point of claiming doctor in the first place. If you're going to do something stupid you might as well go all the way.
I've told you my reasons for claiming doctor and somebody implied they changed when quite clearly they didn't. I returned to the thread and didn't say much. Today was most likely to be an entire day of "oh HF is really scummy lets talk about his complete lack of posts and infer stuff about them when we have no idea" not only did revealing avoid that but I think thrawn was likely to get killed because I think mocsta is scum and he had a high buddy buddy association with thrawn. Mocsta is prime suspect number 1 coming out of this by the way. He calls cora town straight off the bat after the lynch and THEN does a filter dive to say that cora is town all over again. What would be the point in confirming someone he already has a read on? He wants credit from the town by way of appearing to contribute information. He get's called out for playing to an anti-town win con and then says oh "another high horse player, you don't even believe what you're writing" in order to poo-poo players off actual logic.
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