EPTOn November 24 2013 09:57 Holyflare wrote:
What's up?
What's up?
Mind posting ur flavor?
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JarJarDrinks
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Ronnie Lanzo a Smuggler, known as "the Runner", you've been in the trafficking business for so long you don't remember life without it. Once per night you can lock someone up in a shipping container (to keep them safe from the cops) at night. When you hide someone from the police, they will still be able to use their contacts and any other resources at their disposal, but any attempts to arrest or shoot them will fail, unless they are targeted by two or more kp. Protect your business, find the cops! | ||
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Holyflare
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Aquanim
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If you think Mocsta/Onegu is scum, make a case and I will evaluate it on its merits. Your sniping at them without ever making it exactly clear what you think of them overall and why is unproductive. | ||
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Aquanim
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Holyflare
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On November 24 2013 10:27 Aquanim wrote: Also @Holyflare: Did it occur to you that the best way to deal with any suspicions on you today would be to play well and convince us you were town, rather than claiming a town PR? Yes, but I can't, so claiming a town PR is what I did. Also, if you don't like my attitude, policy lynch me. Town quite clearly has no qualms about doing that. I can act how I please thank you very much. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
You've stated that you thought claiming doctor would allow us NOT to focus on you today, but that reasoning is pretty dubious to me. Did you really expect everyone to be like "oh OK HF is confirmed doc"? Surely you anticipated people would heavily question your claim right? How do you think this helps town? Also, reiterating my question from before, did you not consider switching your prot target from thrawn when it was clear that a bunnch of players saw your claim? If scum shot at all last night, wouldn't it likely have been someone other than thrawn given that chances are they saw your claim? And finally, can you explain how thrawn was your strongest townread after you seem to have suspicion of him in these posts? On November 22 2013 12:59 Holyflare wrote: Thrawn also quite clearly posted in bold and all caps that rayn was most definitely town and also voted him. So there's that too. On November 22 2013 13:00 Holyflare wrote: Let me break this down for everyone else: Onegu posts that rayn is town, onegu knows rayn's meta (thrawn and mocsta know this) Mocsta sees onegu is afk, doesn't try and confirm rayn's meta to people, policy lynches him Thrawn, calls rayn obviously towny, lynches him Aqua, ignores everything rayn says, policy lynches him At least 1 of you is scum | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote: I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me.... Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler + Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler + [Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.] Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town, Calls out bereft also like but I disagree Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On November 24 2013 10:28 Holyflare wrote: Yes, but I can't, so claiming a town PR is what I did. Also, if you don't like my attitude, policy lynch me. Town quite clearly has no qualms about doing that. I can act how I please thank you very much. ^Scum mindset^ (he's hiding under Town mindset: I'm under the gun but if I play better and try to find a lynch I think people will see that I'm town If you guys aren't down with lynching Onegu I'd be fine with lynching HF | ||
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Corazon
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sciberbia
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On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: - Terrible case on CorazonI My case was not terrible at all. If you are town you are clearly looking at D1 with absurd confirmation bias. When you originally read my case on Cora, you liked points 1 and 3, but didn't like point 2. Then later when you called me scum, you completely reversed this assessment of my case. Also you called cora 90% scum on D1 and now you say his D1 makes him 100% town. Consider that you are looking at the exact same evidence and coming to the opposite conclusion. That's because you are deciding on a conclusion first and fitting the evidence to it afterwards. You need to clear your head and consider evidence objectively. On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle If you think I was happy with a rayn lynch then you need to reread my filter. This is again you fitting evidence to a conclusion rather than a conclusion to evidence. On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. What Aquanim said. I don't know 100% that Onegu is scum or I'd be voting him instead of questioning him. When talking to somebody to try to determine their alignment I am going to question them as if they are town. Obviously I'm not going to get Onegu to admit he is scum so why shout at him. + Show Spoiler [Mocsta's Onegu defense] + On November 24 2013 07:55 Mocsta wrote: A couple things (1) I'm leaning towards town being Onegu, a. I've never seen a scum Onegu make a case b. Even though its poorly written, I can see understand what he is fixated on. Scibs, I actually disagree with your point of view regarding the interpretation of Oengu original Mocsta case. Yes, it was poorly written and extremely easy to skim over and misinterpret. However, the issue is that Bereft decided to analyse that post in order to give a town read on somebody. Do you not find it odd that someone would only "skim/barely read" a post in order to give out such an important read. Consider further that this was the most important content in Onegu filter at the time. Also your reasons for thinking Onegu are town are really wrong. In the 1 game I played with him he made several cases as scum. Also the bolded is just simply not what happened. Bereft analyzed the rest of his filter and gave a town read. He chose NOT to analyze that huge post. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 24 2013 10:55 sciberbia wrote: Also your reasons for thinking Onegu are town are really wrong. In the 1 game I played with him he made several cases as scum. Which game was this, I'd like to read it. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On November 24 2013 10:48 cDgCorazon wrote: EBWOP: ^Scum mindset^ (he's hiding under his claim) If you really think I play scum by claiming doctor and posting next to nothing to look towny you are actually dumb and have not done what I asked. Like I said, go read actual games I have played in. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On November 24 2013 11:39 Holyflare wrote: If you really think I play scum by claiming doctor and posting next to nothing to look towny you are actually dumb and have not done what I asked. Like I said, go read actual games I have played in. Why are you using your claim as an excuse for doing nothing? | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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On November 24 2013 11:42 cDgCorazon wrote: Why are you using your claim as an excuse for doing nothing? Please just vote me off then because you are wasting your time being antagonistic towards it. Either I contribute more on my own accord or I don't. Repeatedly telling me to won't effect my posts. | ||
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sciberbia
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Desert Mini Mafia. Cases on sylencia and sn0_man at various points in the game iirc. Not as large as his case on bereft but imo they were stronger cases analytically. @Aquanim, Cora How likely do you think Mocsta is to be scum? I wasn't a big fan of his D1, and his D2 so far looks pretty troubling to me. + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 09:26 Mocsta wrote: I'm not happy with how this cycle has started. Theres been a couple cases - resulting in delurks to dismiss (e.g. Scibs to Onegu); but in my opinion, no one has seriously tried to drive the thread towards a lynch. Maybe the weekend is a valid excuse - heck I was busy as, yesterday; and somewhat today. However, I still expect town to make check-ins (much like I did yesterday). Its not hard, is it? This leads to be disappointed people like Rean/jampidampi are non-existent, and in particular, players like JJD/Bereft have barely posted. The game is not solved, everyone needs to step up and contribute more: query posts, build cases, push a scum target So he gives a lecture about how we all need to step it up and get a scum lynch today. But then what does he proceed to do? Do a massive post-by-post analysis 'proving' how Cora is TOWN. + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sciberbia If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. Then he puts about 10% of that effort into a bad, half-assed case on me in which he admits he has't even reread my filter, and votes for me. So as I see it, he's writing a bad case about me without any real effort and I don't know if he really has a reasonable expectation of getting me lynched today. How can he conclude that I'm 'most definitely' the best lynch without even reading my filter? His talking about Cora and myself just side-tracked us even further. Also I find it suspicious how his reads flip-flop so hard that he never really commits to anything at all. First rayn was a policy lynch. Then he says 80% of the reason for voting rayn is because he thinks rayn is scum. And then after rayn flips town he says that it was always just a policy lynch. He keeps flip-flopping on me, Cora, Aquanim, Onegu.. pretty much every read and it's really hindering our progress, especially when he brings up old stuff and reverses his previous opinion on it. In conclusion, I think Mocsta could very well be scum and want some outside opnions of his cases on me and recent play. Do you think his vote on me looks like a townie move? | ||
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Holyflare
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