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On November 24 2013 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 00:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
The fact that you think that rayn was completly wrong w/ all of his reads and gave me AND bereft townreads after the flip is suspicious to me. townie "the thing you did is suspicious" scummy "the thing you did is suspicious to me" Reason? It's forced and fake. "Is suspicious" is more aggressive/confrontational, or townie. When you say something "is suspicious" you are saying that something is suspicious. You are trying to make a point to everyone else in the thread that X person is scummy for X reasons. When you say something "is suspicious to me" you are allowing that maybe it's not that suspicious, but it is to you. It's also forced and fake because it's too many words. When you want to say something there is a natural way of saying it, and natural ways of saying things have a lower word-count than ways of saying things thought up by somebody who is lying. This can't be a real case right? This is more sarcasm I assume?
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On November 24 2013 12:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 24 2013 12:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 24 2013 12:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
you insist on outing every single roll citation needed Making an issue over obvious sarcasm is scummy. Uh no. It's not sarcasm because you said the same thing in your "case" against me? Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 11:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
-jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum So were you being sarcastinc there too? If not, please explain why you lied.
The top one is obviously sarcasm and I do not believe that the sarcasm could be lost on you. The bottom one is a "lie" but only in the sense that "other people" was poor word choice on my part... remember that that spoiler is my stream consciousness reads.. it's me posting thoughts into the thread without bothering to reread or fact check any of it. It's not an optimal way to make cases but it is an optimal way of telling everyone exactly what my state of mind is like. It's not a "lie" that tells you anything about my alignment nor does it discredit my assertion that you are asking for role information when there is no reason to do so.
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On November 24 2013 12:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 23 2013 00:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
The fact that you think that rayn was completly wrong w/ all of his reads and gave me AND bereft townreads after the flip is suspicious to me. townie "the thing you did is suspicious" scummy "the thing you did is suspicious to me" Reason? It's forced and fake. "Is suspicious" is more aggressive/confrontational, or townie. When you say something "is suspicious" you are saying that something is suspicious. You are trying to make a point to everyone else in the thread that X person is scummy for X reasons. When you say something "is suspicious to me" you are allowing that maybe it's not that suspicious, but it is to you. It's also forced and fake because it's too many words. When you want to say something there is a natural way of saying it, and natural ways of saying things have a lower word-count than ways of saying things thought up by somebody who is lying. This can't be a real case right? This is more sarcasm I assume?
No that's legit. That guy was mafia. When people use more words than needed to say something as simple as "I think this is scummy" and turn it into "My read is that this is scummy in my opinion" it strongly suggests that their posts and thoughts are unnatural, or faked.
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On November 24 2013 11:50 sciberbia wrote:@Aquanim Desert Mini Mafia. Cases on sylencia and sn0_man at various points in the game iirc. Not as large as his case on bereft but imo they were stronger cases analytically. @Aquanim, Cora How likely do you think Mocsta is to be scum? I wasn't a big fan of his D1, and his D2 so far looks pretty troubling to me. + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 09:26 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not happy with how this cycle has started.
Theres been a couple cases - resulting in delurks to dismiss (e.g. Scibs to Onegu); but in my opinion, no one has seriously tried to drive the thread towards a lynch.
Maybe the weekend is a valid excuse - heck I was busy as, yesterday; and somewhat today.
However, I still expect town to make check-ins (much like I did yesterday). Its not hard, is it?
This leads to be disappointed people like Rean/jampidampi are non-existent, and in particular, players like JJD/Bereft have barely posted.
The game is not solved, everyone needs to step up and contribute more: query posts, build cases, push a scum target
So he gives a lecture about how we all need to step it up and get a scum lynch today. But then what does he proceed to do? Do a massive post-by-post analysis 'proving' how Cora is TOWN. + Show Spoiler +On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote:
I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon.
Things I remember from Scibs
- Terrible case on Corazon
- Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle
- Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today.
Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sciberbia
If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead.
until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. Then he puts about 10% of that effort into a bad, half-assed case on me in which he admits he has't even reread my filter, and votes for me. So as I see it, he's writing a bad case about me without any real effort and I don't know if he really has a reasonable expectation of getting me lynched today. How can he conclude that I'm 'most definitely' the best lynch without even reading my filter? His talking about Cora and myself just side-tracked us even further. Also I find it suspicious how his reads flip-flop so hard that he never really commits to anything at all. First rayn was a policy lynch. Then he says 80% of the reason for voting rayn is because he thinks rayn is scum. And then after rayn flips town he says that it was always just a policy lynch. He keeps flip-flopping on me, Cora, Aquanim, Onegu.. pretty much every read and it's really hindering our progress, especially when he brings up old stuff and reverses his previous opinion on it. In conclusion, I think Mocsta could very well be scum and want some outside opnions of his cases on me and recent play. Do you think his vote on me looks like a townie move?
i realize this is not directed at me, but i agree with this. his play day 1 was acceptable to me, but since he's come back into the thread day 2, i think his town curtain is falling...
that case and vote on you is absolutely ludicrous.
previously i had a suspicion that one scum was hiding among my pro town reads. based on today's posting, i'm pretty confidant it's NOT aqua and quite suspicious that it's mocsta.
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scibs.
I'm taking a dump but just wanted to let you know we are both cb'd. at least I admitted I had no time to filter dive you and raised points from recollection. whereas you just ignore what I write outright.
I decided to prioritise vorazon for good reason. its in my posy.. and guess what.
since then coraxon stepped it up and started producing the goods.
corazon like others, I would like yo see onehu case on me before laying down a vote. a lot of what you write seems damning though with the contradictions etc.
I'm feeling a jjd vote. his timeluy felurk only when voted is not resonating well with me.
I was expecting him to give impetus today.
I think aqua is town, nothing to do with his read on me. I was thinking about this before.., hes still posting and trying to solve the game.
I'm liking a lunch between jjd/onegu jampi/rean today.
jampi/rean might be modkilled so I'm going to join and vote
##unvote
##votte: jarjardrinks
aside from the tunnel on cotrazon I can't remember what he has done,
I'm not even sure who his scum reads are.
/arse wiped
I gotta go, be back in say 8hrs
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Oddly enough mocsta that vote makes me feel uneasy about you. I'd like you to explain who your main scumreads are and why, and who is the scummiest out of all of them and why.
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On November 24 2013 12:59 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 12:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 24 2013 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 23 2013 00:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
The fact that you think that rayn was completly wrong w/ all of his reads and gave me AND bereft townreads after the flip is suspicious to me. townie "the thing you did is suspicious" scummy "the thing you did is suspicious to me" Reason? It's forced and fake. "Is suspicious" is more aggressive/confrontational, or townie. When you say something "is suspicious" you are saying that something is suspicious. You are trying to make a point to everyone else in the thread that X person is scummy for X reasons. When you say something "is suspicious to me" you are allowing that maybe it's not that suspicious, but it is to you. It's also forced and fake because it's too many words. When you want to say something there is a natural way of saying it, and natural ways of saying things have a lower word-count than ways of saying things thought up by somebody who is lying. This can't be a real case right? This is more sarcasm I assume? No that's legit. That guy was mafia. When people use more words than needed to say something as simple as "I think this is scummy" and turn it into "My read is that this is scummy in my opinion" it strongly suggests that their posts and thoughts are unnatural, or faked. The word scummy is different. Here's the most common defination of suspicious:
+ Show Spoiler +sus·pi·cious
/səˈspiSHəs/
adjective
1.
having or showing a cautious distrust of someone or something.
"he was suspicious of her motives"
"the thing you did is suspicious" Would mean that "the thing" is feeling distrustful of someone or something.
Now yes, that is not the only context that suspicious can be used. But it was the context I was using it in.
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really bereft??
seriously, post game I would love to know what is so scummy about my play.
regardless of how I play scum personally, I don't even see how what I'm pushing is scummy?
I get poor play - and I'm extremely time poor this weekend. maybe ibshouldnt try to be a thread driver, but I see no one else taking ownership to move the thread forward
why does it take until a vote is thrown for people to come out of the woodworks.
its ok. I don't think u r scum though. when unconfident its normal to become paranoid.
ciao
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*confident, not confidant
i'm not saying this is damning, but this is quite interesting...
mocsta to onegu:
On November 23 2013 17:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 17:30 Onegu wrote:On November 23 2013 17:18 Mocsta wrote:On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why is this relevant? My explanations are in the filter; I also suspect, that whatever I answer: (A) you won't believe me; (B) you will still think I am scummy. Seriously Onegu, make your case and then realise that this game requires a majority to lynch. You won't get a majority to lynch me --> which means you efforts on me are completely wasted --> Feigning contribution. I wanted Rayn lynched not because at the end i thought he was scummy; but because *I* thought that he would prevent town securing a majority lynch in the future cycles. I don't care whether the observers think that is a terrible decision because they are not playing in this game. In the situation: this was the decision I thought was best for town. I did not, nor do I have the means to force anyone to vote. Realise that enough people agreed with this to secure a Rayn lynch. Since when is makeing a case on someone I find scummy to be a waste if I am town, I fully expect scum to push my lynch today. Then when I flip my case wont be wasted ie people see Im town and look at my scum reads, and since we will have two town lynched and no nk and those two town have the same reads then the rest of the town should pay attention to that. Also Ill look for it in your filter but if I dont find why you say this game is differnt Ill be very disapoint you didnt answer my question because I will a) find it scummy or b) not believe you, because if its legit, no your prolly right im fairly hard tunneled on you, but maybe some other people that would believe you and find my question valid. You are hard tunneled, because I answered your question in my reply. I was stating that the same response in is my filter. You said scum will be pushing you this cycle.As far as I know, the only person with an agenda to come after you *solely* is Sciberbia. Do you have a updated opinion on Scibs?
mocsta to artanis in marv's game:
On November 18 2013 09:53 Mocsta wrote:
Running behind schedule, works a bitch today and Im only up to p124.
Things I want to say before deadline.
(1) Artanis: You are tunneled.
Your issues with me are because I do not play the game the same way you choose to.
That is not an indicator of scum. Everyone that has played with me many times realises this is how I play town.
Further, all your reads on other players hinge upon their thought process on me. You should know association reads are terribad.
You are obsessed beyond reason.
Unfortunately, the way you walk people through your mindset makes me lean town.
You need to drop this; or if you can't, fine -- Accept there are other players in the game that *must* be scum and look there.
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On November 24 2013 13:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
Oddly enough mocsta that vote makes me feel uneasy about you. I'd like you to explain who your main scumreads are and why, and who is the scummiest out of all of them and why.
I don't have settled thoughts anymore
just lots of play I don't like
its really frustrating everyone has stopped posting
what I have are town reads
you, bereft, aqua and cora
sci is like an ongoing outlier. sometimes Towny, sometimes scummy
so I'm left with the rest yo process of eliminate
none of them is posting
frankly, hokuflare is my favourite vote.. but I can't do it.
plus hes playing co pletely differently to Hogwarts 
I have to factor that in too.
I really have to go now. chat later
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bereft.
lthanks for looking for a phrase but notice onegu called himself hard tunneled
j reaffirmed it for him using his phrase
your welcome yo keep trying if you think it will help
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Guys. Stop with the Mocsta crap. I've played a bajillion games with him and he's just being Mocsta. Lynching the two people who drive the thread D1 and D2 would basically be a death sentence for the town (unless Mocsta is scum then it would be good but I doubt it).
Mocsta being really obvious and clear with his random vote-switches is a town tell, just like it was with Rayn.
Going to go re-read the Thrawn/JJD stuff
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On November 24 2013 13:12 Bereft wrote:*confident, not confidant i'm not saying this is damning, but this is quite interesting... mocsta to onegu: Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 17:39 Mocsta wrote:On November 23 2013 17:30 Onegu wrote:On November 23 2013 17:18 Mocsta wrote:On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why is this relevant? My explanations are in the filter; I also suspect, that whatever I answer: (A) you won't believe me; (B) you will still think I am scummy. Seriously Onegu, make your case and then realise that this game requires a majority to lynch. You won't get a majority to lynch me --> which means you efforts on me are completely wasted --> Feigning contribution. I wanted Rayn lynched not because at the end i thought he was scummy; but because *I* thought that he would prevent town securing a majority lynch in the future cycles. I don't care whether the observers think that is a terrible decision because they are not playing in this game. In the situation: this was the decision I thought was best for town. I did not, nor do I have the means to force anyone to vote. Realise that enough people agreed with this to secure a Rayn lynch. Since when is makeing a case on someone I find scummy to be a waste if I am town, I fully expect scum to push my lynch today. Then when I flip my case wont be wasted ie people see Im town and look at my scum reads, and since we will have two town lynched and no nk and those two town have the same reads then the rest of the town should pay attention to that. Also Ill look for it in your filter but if I dont find why you say this game is differnt Ill be very disapoint you didnt answer my question because I will a) find it scummy or b) not believe you, because if its legit, no your prolly right im fairly hard tunneled on you, but maybe some other people that would believe you and find my question valid. You are hard tunneled, because I answered your question in my reply. I was stating that the same response in is my filter. You said scum will be pushing you this cycle.As far as I know, the only person with an agenda to come after you *solely* is Sciberbia. Do you have a updated opinion on Scibs? mocsta to artanis in marv's game: Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 09:53 Mocsta wrote:
Running behind schedule, works a bitch today and Im only up to p124.
Things I want to say before deadline.
(1) Artanis: You are tunneled.
Your issues with me are because I do not play the game the same way you choose to.
That is not an indicator of scum. Everyone that has played with me many times realises this is how I play town.
Further, all your reads on other players hinge upon their thought process on me. You should know association reads are terribad.
You are obsessed beyond reason.
Unfortunately, the way you walk people through your mindset makes me lean town.
You need to drop this; or if you can't, fine -- Accept there are other players in the game that *must* be scum and look there.
Wow. You didn't read my case. Did you?
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Moc, I've been a solid town read for you all game long. You need to explain what exactly changed ur mind cause it looks like ur straight up just looking for any wagon to jump on.
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On November 24 2013 13:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Moc, I've been a solid town read for you all game long. You need to explain what exactly changed ur mind cause it looks like ur straight up just looking for any wagon to jump on.
@JJD: Are you seriously asserting that Mocsta's overall gameplan this game is to look for a wagon to sheep? Please give evidence if this is so.
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Looking at the thrawn/JJD stuff I think Thrawn's vote is really hasty and not very well supported
JJD's attempt to get me to claim is really stupid but I don't think it's scummy. It's something I could see someone posting and then realizing that it is a dumb idea.
It's really sad that you two are going at each other instead of going after people who are way more scummier, such as Onegu/HF
@all: I've heard a lot of talk that people are waiting on Onegu's case on Mocsta to pass judgement on him. If this case never materializes (which given Onegu's track record is a very likely possibility), would anyone object to lynching him?
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@holyflare: Who do you want lynched and why?
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even though he claimed doc, I think HF is a really strong candidate for today.
I said this yesterday:
On November 23 2013 18:11 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 15:44 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 23 2013 15:37 Aquanim wrote:On November 23 2013 12:41 Aquanim wrote:... @Thrawn: Bereft's already replied to your case here. What about his defence do you find unpersuasive? Most of it reaffirms the points I brought up. The rest of it is along the lines of "in hindsight I should have done this" which is not any kind of explanation at all. Anyone can tell you what they should have done in hindsight to avoid telling you why they did what they did. thrawn, i specifically wrote that breakdown of my thought process because i'm pretty confident you are town and i don't want you to get derailed on me. i'm not sure how i can break it down further since there are only so many ways i can explain how when your top scum read = your policy lynch, it's a no-brainer. i included that bit about 'in hindsight' only because i'm not so proud to think that even though i was wrong, it was the smart or right lynch. but i do stand with the belief that it was a fair lynch. is it not clear to you from my post history why rayn was my top lynch yesterday? anyhow, moving on: @HolyflareHolyflare, do you have any actual intention of responding to this post? since you're willing to state you believe rayn was lynched, it's not reaching to believe you think moc, JJD, and myself are scum, correct? so where are your cases? Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 03:34 Bereft wrote:On November 23 2013 02:30 Holyflare wrote:On November 23 2013 02:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 23 2013 02:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
The only reason I could see scum trying to lynch Rayn is if his reads were right. Um. wouldn't scum be more inclined to have him flip green ASAP if his reads were wrong? Yes, rayn pushes any target he has forever, wrong or right. If he's alive he can screw up the thread in that respect (as you guys saw). If his reads were wrong a scum team that knows him would keep him alive. So most likely his reads were right and he got lynched ("policy lynched") for it. Cora, Holyflare: if you think I (or JJD or Mocsta for that matter) are scum, come at me bro. let me know what specifically you find scummy about me and what issues you take with my play and I'll do my best to explain my thought process to you as I did with thrawn. don't FOS me on the basis that "rayn was town and since he was lynched his scum reads are probably right". that's a flimsy argument to make - being town does not make you infallible. do you honestly think JJD, mocsta, and I are the mafia trifecta, in your own independent assessments? if yes, tell me why, because I'm inclined to think rayn is 0 out of 3 on this one. i would like you to give your real thought process behind your claim, because i'm not buying this at all: Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 12:06 Holyflare wrote:
Like i said earlier "i think thrawn is very towny" so he was my most likely save, if i get vigd and flip doctor you then knew who my heal was on and so it stops any attempted shenanigans that scum can pull. He should get free town cred by way of this. If it gets to night 2 however and a double shot happens then seriously reconsider etc etc. That was my line of thought anyway considering you didn't respond to scib asking who your real save was, i'm inclined to think it was really thrawn. if so, what exactly was the strategy for claiming? you say it's so that if you were vig'd, town would know who you saved and by way of default thrawn is automatically cleared as town --> i don't believe this. aqua brought up a really good point: you would say this only if you were REALLY CONVINCED there's a doc AND a vig this game, because you know there's about a 0.0001% chance scum is going to hit you. also, thrawn is doing a decent enough job of getting town reads on his own, so how does you saving him PROVE he's town? this is equivalent to your "rayn's reads are right because he's town" argument, and i'll repeat: being town does not make you infallible. i also notice you don't say anything about what you think scum did or how you think they reacted to your claim. this is just weird to me, because surely you must've been going through it in your head and strategizing about whether to make a claim like that -- otherwise, what's the point? do you think they just left their vote on thrawn and let their KP go to waste? or do you think they had their vote on thrawn and instead of placing it on someone else, they decided to save their KP for tomorrow night instead? or do you think that there are other blue roles at play? (RB/vet/etc)
he hasn't come back to me at all, except to say this:
On November 24 2013 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
Also, some guy asked me to claim my flavour at some point, I think it was bereft? What is the point of that when scum get fake claims?
if he thinks my post was asking me to post his flavor, that has GOT to be intentional misinterpretation. did anyone ask for his flavor prior to that post?
he later comes back with this:
On November 24 2013 10:09 Holyflare wrote:
I've told you my reasons for claiming doctor and somebody implied they changed when quite clearly they didn't. I returned to the thread and didn't say much. Today was most likely to be an entire day of "oh HF is really scummy lets talk about his complete lack of posts and infer stuff about them when we have no idea" not only did revealing avoid that but I think thrawn was likely to get killed because I think mocsta is scum and he had a high buddy buddy association with thrawn. Mocsta is prime suspect number 1 coming out of this by the way. He calls cora town straight off the bat after the lynch and THEN does a filter dive to say that cora is town all over again. What would be the point in confirming someone he already has a read on? He wants credit from the town by way of appearing to contribute information. He get's called out for playing to an anti-town win con and then says oh "another high horse player, you don't even believe what you're writing" in order to poo-poo players off actual logic.
this means there was zero real strategy behind his claim -- he didn't in fact think about what scum did or how they reacted to his claim. this is basically impossible unless he is scum himself.
also if you take a look at his filter, he has done zero actual scum hunting. since the end of day 1, he has only talked about how the rayn lynch was dumb (funny how he has so much to say about it NOW, when on day 1 he didn't actually try to convince us why the rayn lynch was bad other than "guys i've played with him before and i'm SURE he's town"...then proceeded to vote for him anyway). he has not questioned anybody and seems to not care about sussing out scum -- he even has to be called out to come into the thread:
On November 24 2013 09:57 Aquanim wrote:
@Holyflare: just because you've claimed doctor doesn't mean you get to peace out and not contribute anything today. I think you're online at the moment, so why not come in and talk to us?
On November 24 2013 09:57 Holyflare wrote:
What's up?
i've played with Holyflare before and i know for a fact Holyflare prides himself on being a good scum hunter. why then is his attitude so different this game? he also showed far more initiative in the game i played with him (where he was town). here, he has barely even addressed anyone and seems indifferent to picking at peoples' brains. i think this is a pretty strong characteristic for a first-time scummer, which I am quite sure HF is. i just crashed and burned in white flag mafia, and HF's filter is displaying everything my filter did in that game.
##Vote: Holyflare
on a side note, as i've stated, i do have suspicions of mocsta, but after reading HF's filter, i'm more confident in this read than I am in mocsta. i think mocsta would only be a better lynch if i become more confident after going through his filter with a fine tooth comb.
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Oh come on we were having good discussion and now everyone afks T.T
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