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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 07:23 GMT
#1501
This vote I have on Rean is rapidly becoming a waste of time. At this time I don't think JJD is quite as solid a lynch as Onegu/HF (need to think some more about JJD though, I'm finding getting into his head to be very difficult). Of the other two, Onegu is at least trying. Holyflare's attitude towards this game is completely and utterly uncharacteristic of his town meta and at least a little reminicient of his meta in Hogwarts. If he's scum I think it's highly likely he's stuck with two lurkers for scumbuddies, which would explain his excessive negativity.

##Vote: Holyflare
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 07:24 GMT
#1502
Correction
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 07:31 GMT
#1503
In reply to this:
On November 24 2013 11:39 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 10:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
EBWOP: ^Scum mindset^ (he's hiding under his claim)


If you really think I play scum by claiming doctor and posting next to nothing to look towny you are actually dumb and have not done what I asked. Like I said, go read actual games I have played in.

The town meta of players typically does not change dramatically from game to game in my experience. This is not Holy's town meta.

The scum meta of players DOES change from game to game, to avoid being similar to their last game and caught in this way. If Holy played scum exactly the same way as he played last time that would just be stupid.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 24 2013 07:32 GMT
#1504
Looking at JJD's filter, this just jumped out at me.

+ Show Spoiler [JJD] +

On November 22 2013 11:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 22 2013 09:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On November 22 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look. I am really sure bot Rean and Jampidampi are town.
Rean i have given my reasons on.
Jampidampi because of his stance on me. Look how i went batshit crazy on him He stayed calm, he did not take the easy way out of saying "yeah rayn is scum, fuck you martyr shitting up the thread". Instead he said "i know what you did in NWM, you do this stuff, why am i scum according to you?". That was so really townie.

WHAT??? That was the exact reason you gave him a scumread earlier. You basically said that he was scum because he should be voting for you for shitting up the thread.

On November 22 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jampidampi that's a really bad post and there was no townie motivation behind my last 10 posts (towards anyone else than Mocsta - who i should probably realize is incapable to see the point anyways, my bad) because that's what i was trying to do.

I can't find any reasons why you should have not voted for me unless you know i am town and therefore scum.


Yeah you have no idea how i play. But your vote is on me and you are scum so idgaf.

WTF kind of response is this? I point out a direct contridiction and your response is "you have no idea how i play". WTF does that even mean? How you play is that you give someone a scumread and then use that exact same reasoning later to give them a townread?

On November 22 2013 11:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Did cora just walk in and take away a flip? Cora, you're really voting for no-lynch?



These two posts were in the hour leading up to the lynch. These are his ONLY two posts in the 2.5 hours leading up to the lynch. This is really scummy.

He cearly had the thread open, as he responded to a post from rayn and from Cora's vote. But he wasn't partaking in ANY of the discussion in the final hour of the rayn lynch. I remember that several of us were heatedly debating whether we should lynch onegu, cora, rayn. I remember our discussion as we tried to build a counter-wagon. It was pretty hectic.

But JJD was just calmly watching it all? That strikes me as really scummy. Shouldn't he have been wanting to make his voice heard? He doesn't reassure people that rayn is the right lynch. He doesn't question the people calling rayn town. He doesn't express interest in any possible counter wagon. It looks like he's just happy to twiddle his thumbs as rayn gets lynched, which given that he flipped town is extremeley suspicious.

Going to re-read the rest of his filter which I honestly haven't been paying much attention to, but his actions right before the lynch are really suspicous.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 07:32 GMT
#1505
As for the doctor claim, I think it's at least possible that we don't have a doctor this game. Hell we might not have any roles, in keeping with the "Back to the Basics" theme.

It would take some balls for Holy to claim it without knowing that, but I don't think it's even nearly impossible.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 07:37 GMT
#1506
...bah, no. I can't really vote him. Either he dies tonight or there's at least the possibility he gets a save.

##Unvote

Let me think about this.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 24 2013 07:42 GMT
#1507
On November 24 2013 16:37 Aquanim wrote:
...bah, no. I can't really vote him. Either he dies tonight or there's at least the possibility he gets a save.

##Unvote

Let me think about this.


Yea and going with the assumption that scum Delayed last night, even if they shoot him he can still save their other shot. And if they don't shoot him he has a pretty good chance to guess one one of the two correctly.

If he really is a doctor his being alive tonight will be a major thorn in scum's side.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 07:51 GMT
#1508
JJD hasn't done anything. Lately he's thrown dirt on Cora, Mocsta, and spent a lot of time talking about HF's claim which would be an easy thing for scum to talk about. He's not talking to people trying to convince them of his reads, and as Mocsta pointed out his delurk timing to defend himself after I randomly voted him doesn't look good. Combine that with what someone just pointed out about his actions leading up the lynch and I think there's a pretty obvious pattern suggesting that he doesn't actually care about discussion or helping town trying to figure out who to lynch.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
November 24 2013 08:16 GMT
#1509
eh idk what to do ##unvote because I hate having my vote down when i'm undecided

jampi/rean both afk, if one or both are town it makes it that much harder to get a majority on scum. if both are town and neither of them vote then town only has 6 votes and we need 6 votes to reach majority... doesn't look good

hf is making no efforts to find scum but still finds time to defend his doc claim and insult people?

I dont remember ever disagreeing with anything that's been pointed out about onegu recently

my possible lynch targets are therefore JJD, HF, and Onegu.

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 24 2013 08:28 GMT
#1510
Lurking through the rayn lynch is by far the single scummiest thing anybody has done this entire game. I can't even imagine myself, as town, reading the 100 posts between pages 50 and 55 (the hour leading up to the lynch), and not posting my thoughts. That's crunch time. That's when the game is won or lost. It's when all the drama happens. The lynch was in question and everybody else online was vehemently discussing it, but JJD was just sitting there passing the time.

On the other hand, I can easily see scum doing it. Rayn looked likely to be lynched so scum probably didn't feel much pressure. There's no reason for scum to be posting with a townie lynch coming down the pipeline.

Furthermore here JJD expresses his opinion that Onegu is town and HF is scum, but says he will reread.
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 22 2013 22:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Gonna reread Onegu but I haven't thought he was scum @ all this game so I doubt that's gonna change. Not crazy about Holyflare so gonna look close @ him.



He never posts the results of this reread. He hasn't been defending Onegu today even though he's looked like the most likely lynch candidate. He hasn't been pushing an HF lynch either. As thrawn says he's too content doing nothing.

Combined with what aquanim and thrawn have posted, this feels really right to me. Better than every other lynch.



##Vote: JarJarDrinks

sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 24 2013 08:32 GMT
#1511
@thrawn
What do you think about the arguments made by myself and others that HF is strategically a bad lynch today? I think it's a strictly better play to wait and see what happens N2 and lynch him tomorrow if necessary.

Also can you even envision being online but not posting in those last couple hours before the lynch yesterday? I just don't see how JJD could do that as town.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 08:40 GMT
#1512
On November 24 2013 17:28 sciberbia wrote:
Lurking through the rayn lynch is by far the single scummiest thing anybody has done this entire game. I can't even imagine myself, as town, reading the 100 posts between pages 50 and 55 (the hour leading up to the lynch), and not posting my thoughts. That's crunch time. That's when the game is won or lost. It's when all the drama happens. The lynch was in question and everybody else online was vehemently discussing it, but JJD was just sitting there passing the time.

On the other hand, I can easily see scum doing it. Rayn looked likely to be lynched so scum probably didn't feel much pressure. There's no reason for scum to be posting with a townie lynch coming down the pipeline.
...



Dunno why it didn't quite reach my brain until this repetition, but yeah this is damning.

##Vote: JarJarDrinks
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 24 2013 08:42 GMT
#1513
If he'd actually been pushing the rayn lynch beforehand maybe that's OK, but it was all just him arguing back and forth with rayn - which is not at all the same thing.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 24 2013 08:53 GMT
#1514
Going to take this a step further.

Here are all the posts made by people online within two hours of the lynch yesterday, broken down by person.

The counts alone don't really do this justice. I wish I could quote it all but too many posts. Look at the filters of the non JJD players on this list. They are mostly angry/emotional/frantic/worried. Everybody else was pushing hard to get their voice heard and convince other people of their thoughts. Either townies who care about the lynch or scum doing a decent job of faking it. Except JJD. He's content to do nothing, be ignored, and not partake in this crucial discussion.

thrawn: 37 posts in the last 2 hours

JJD: 2 posts in the last 2 hours (not even relevant)
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 22 2013 11:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 22 2013 09:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On November 22 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look. I am really sure bot Rean and Jampidampi are town.
Rean i have given my reasons on.
Jampidampi because of his stance on me. Look how i went batshit crazy on him He stayed calm, he did not take the easy way out of saying "yeah rayn is scum, fuck you martyr shitting up the thread". Instead he said "i know what you did in NWM, you do this stuff, why am i scum according to you?". That was so really townie.

WHAT??? That was the exact reason you gave him a scumread earlier. You basically said that he was scum because he should be voting for you for shitting up the thread.

On November 22 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jampidampi that's a really bad post and there was no townie motivation behind my last 10 posts (towards anyone else than Mocsta - who i should probably realize is incapable to see the point anyways, my bad) because that's what i was trying to do.

I can't find any reasons why you should have not voted for me unless you know i am town and therefore scum.


Yeah you have no idea how i play. But your vote is on me and you are scum so idgaf.

WTF kind of response is this? I point out a direct contridiction and your response is "you have no idea how i play". WTF does that even mean? How you play is that you give someone a scumread and then use that exact same reasoning later to give them a townread?

On November 22 2013 11:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Did cora just walk in and take away a flip? Cora, you're really voting for no-lynch?



Cora: 8 posts (in the last half hour)

Bereft: 18 posts in the last 2 hours

rayn: 61 posts in the last 2 hours

Mocsta: 17 posts in the last 2 hours

sciberbia: 13 posts in the last 2 hours

aquanim: 31 posts in the last 2 hours

even HF: 12 posts in the last 2 hours
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
November 24 2013 09:07 GMT
#1515
##vote: jarjardrinks*

Lets get a majority people !!!
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 24 2013 11:31 GMT
#1516
Chezinu has replaced jampidampi.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 24 2013 12:05 GMT
#1517
Hey Guys!

I'm Chezinu
lol, clueless in The Prism!
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 24 2013 12:09 GMT
#1518
Hi Chezinu.

Have you been following the game?
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
November 24 2013 12:26 GMT
#1519
On November 24 2013 21:09 sciberbia wrote:
Hi Chezinu.

Have you been following the game?

Nah, just read the rules.

Can you explain your story on Day 1? Please include the cause or lack of cause of the mob, the evil deeds of police brutally, friendly fire, and the hero/martyrs among the crowd.

I will soon provide a resolution to unite the people against the tyranny of this criminal police state. I'm telling you, the police are nothing but organized criminals. Yes, they are... Mafia.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
November 24 2013 12:43 GMT
#1520
On November 24 2013 21:26 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 21:09 sciberbia wrote:
Hi Chezinu.

Have you been following the game?

Nah, just read the rules.

Can you explain your story on Day 1? Please include the cause or lack of cause of the mob, the evil deeds of police brutally, friendly fire, and the hero/martyrs among the crowd.

I will soon provide a resolution to unite the people against the tyranny of this criminal police state. I'm telling you, the police are nothing but organized criminals. Yes, they are... Mafia.


D1 tl;dr
wagon on Aquanim which then went away in favor of
wagon on Rean which then went away in favor of
wagon on rayn who was lynched and flipped vanilla town

cause of the mob - to rid itself of the troublesome young raynpelikoneet who was disliked by many of his fellow mobsters and was even suspected by some of working for the police

evil deeds of police (brutally) - the police didn't kill anyone last night.. not sure how I can describe this brutally

friendly fire - well at least 4 mobsters voted for raynpelikoneet

martyrs - raynpelikoneet, so enamored with Rean that he was willing to die in Rean's stead

heroes - sciberbia
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