EPTHave you played scum before?
TL Database only has you listed for 2 games
Assassin In The Palace Town Bodyguard Lynched Day 2
Newbie Mini Mafia XLVII Town Doctor Endgamed Day 0
Im confident that you have played more than this?
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Have you played scum before? TL Database only has you listed for 2 games Assassin In The Palace Town Bodyguard Lynched Day 2 Newbie Mini Mafia XLVII Town Doctor Endgamed Day 0 Im confident that you have played more than this? | ||
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On November 26 2013 09:35 Mocsta wrote: Alakaslam *VERY* important question. How much of the thread have you read.. i.e.. what cycle are you up to? Slam, where are you bbygrl? | ||
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On November 26 2013 09:42 Aquanim wrote: @Mocsta I'd leave this for Bereft but there's only two hours till deadline so time may be of the essence. Check White Flag Mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432880&user=Bereft&view=all I havent cross-referenced to this game (yet) But I am inclined to lean town from that White Flag filter. Skimming through in (like a 2min skim) Its immediately noticeable that scum Bereft isnt confident in his pushes. Hes subconsciously downplaying all his votes giving rambling reasons at the start or "putting it down" This game I remember him being more assertive and direct. If there is only 1 tunneled townie between {Onegu, Bereft} I would bet my left nut that it is Bereft. Having said that, i dont know if there is only 1 tunneled townie, the point was to illustrate i think Bereft has more convinction behind his read.. Heck, he laid down a vote once he was suspicious of me (unlike Onegu) | ||
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Factually I agree with the comments you make. They are highly suspicious. The question is whether his biases are confirmation-based; or malicious. Considering the quality of his "cases" against myself (already debunked in a de ja vu moment); and his immediate change in opinion regarding you - its read is quickly shifting towards scum vs tunneled town. Having said that, I still think jampidampi is a better lynch. There is no risk of confirmation bias - it has been clearly identified he is pushing a scum agenda + Onegu has made a point to say I am scummy for calling jampi town (yet does not comment on his opinion of jampi). There are other instances in the game where I have back-pedaled reads; but Onegu specifically mentions this one. I think that if jampidampi/Chezinu *is* scum --> Onegu certainly becomes scum vs tunneled town. Hence why i think jampi is a better information lynch. | ||
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On November 21 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... So yeah, i am gonna vote for Onegu or Bereft. Aquanim could be town, but Rean is a mislynch. Go for it if you want but i am gonna lynch thrawn on D2 if you lynch Rean because thrawn is spewing bullshit and he knows better than this. Vote stands on Bereft, will be swithching to Onegu, not onto anyone else. On November 21 2013 23:16 jampidampi wrote: Could you provide some reasonings for this? This is a weird post: To remphasise the specifics of the question Rayn: (Rean is a mislynch) jampidampi: (Could you provide some reasonings for this?) Consider: (A) JD vote is on Aquanim (B) JD has suggested he could jump ship to Rean. (C) JD vote stays on Aquanim, even when Rean hits up to 5 votes. This quote just seems written as an observer and it out of place given A,B,C (1) Why doesn't he care Rayn thinks Aqua is town. (2) Why is it important to query why he thinks Rean is a mislynch --> given that his vote isn't there Considering the post 1 minute before this was: On November 21 2013 23:15 jampidampi wrote: <What do you think of Rean> Scummy, but not as scummy as Aqua. My best assumption is that this is a distancing post. On November 21 2013 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: The difference between Aquanim and Rean is both have made bad posts & contradicted themselves but unlike Aquanim, Rean admits he made a mistake or worded his thought poorly when it's pointed out. Aquanim makes up new reasons for his argument or licks strong players asses to make himself look better to them. And that is a fucking fact. On November 21 2013 23:21 jampidampi wrote: How does admitting mistakes make someone town? You seem quite certain that he is in fact town. On November 21 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because townies don't have to make shit up. I am not saying it makes him town but it makes him more town than a guy who makes shit up intead of admitting they were wrong. On November 21 2013 23:27 jampidampi wrote: Is there something else that makes you think Rean is town? Calling someone a misslynch is to me a clear indication that you though there was a high chance that he would flip town. Again, this is so spoken so calmly. He's querying Rayns read on Rean: yet never votes Rean *even when I am hammering the thread for consolidation* Now we already know he thinks Rayn is town due to the Nuclear mafia comment. So why is he probing his town read on *their* read on Rean? You would conclude that jampidampi is suspicious of Rean *AND NOT* Aqua -- as rayn also said aqua is town. However, as we already know, JD vote remains on Aqua the whole again. I think this is a strong re enforcing point to my original case on JD. I also think it makes Rean look very bad as well. (Now off to check Reans posts on JD) | ||
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Rean has 1 interaction with JD; and it is *before* JD calls him scum. I left what I wrote before for posterity + Show Spoiler + Rean One thing I find odd about Rean is that JD insinuates he is scum here: On November 21 2013 23:09 jampidampi wrote: Rean That is like saying Scarlett is bad when compared to Jaedong. Doesn't explain how "held back" is the phrase that came to your mind when thinking about Sciberbias early play. Hasn't scumhunted very much. Might consolidate onto him. Yet his *SOLE* interaction with jampidampi is this: On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote: That he, compared to Mocsta going around calling people "confirmed town" and naming scumteams 5 posts in, seemed to be taking it easy and more the "is most likely to be scum" route. In hindsight held back is probably not the phrase I'm looking for but you know what I mean. Its a concern because of how he treats Sciberbia as follows: On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote: Some other things I really want to adress: Apparently I'm his second strongest scumread, yet all he's done is ask me a single question very early on in the thread. He has made practically no effort to actually do anything about his "second strongest scum-read". I don't like this at all. Please do explain Sciberbia. What we see here is that he calls out Sciberbia for having a scum read on him and follows with a discredit. What confounds matters is that this response to Sciberbia and the response to jampidampi above ARE IN THE SAME POST ! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=17#326 | ||
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If I work off Rean is town: another reason I would expect scum to make the below post is as follows: On November 21 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: ... So yeah, i am gonna vote for Onegu or Bereft. Aquanim could be town, but Rean is a mislynch. Go for it if you want but i am gonna lynch thrawn on D2 if you lynch Rean because thrawn is spewing bullshit and he knows better than this. Vote stands on Bereft, will be swithching to Onegu, not onto anyone else. On November 21 2013 23:16 jampidampi wrote: Rayn was going to push the lynch onto Onegu or Bereft, and scum tried to convince Rayn to get back onto Rean.Could you provide some reasonings for this? This actually makes a lot of sense to me because Rean was the lead candidate and its an effective means to "sow the seeds" and let others "reap the benefits - that only work for scums favour". This interpretation has nothing to do with where I sit with Onegu or Bereft currently; its purely something I think is a very smart move for scum to make given the voting situation at the time. Assuming Holyflare doesn't scum claim tomorrow (through Delay KP usage); I think jampidampi is a very information lynch for tomorrow. | ||
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Some things are townie, somethings appear scummy. Slam is not doing much to affect my opinion of the slot either. Basically, Rean *could* scum; but without some more new information from Slam I dont feel confident in the lynch. The main reason i doubt he is scum is because hes not really pushing anything ever; and when he does - there are plausible town reasons (OMGUS on Aquanim, Defending himself against the cases on him). If I am alive next cycle I will read the filter in more detail, but now, I still think jampi is a much better lynch than Rean. | ||
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(1) If there is only 1 kill: Please lynch jampidampi; PoE suggests Rean is town.. but.. need a better filter dive first. (2) If there are 2 kills: Please lynch Holyflare, followed by jampidampi (3) My best guess for the scum team is: {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu} I just don't see how any other combination makes sense. Thrawns activity has really waiver-ed recently: but I still hold him in higher regard than the 4 listed above. Even though I had a townish read on Onegu before, no1 else understood my reasoning for it, which suggests it was a confirmation biased read on Onegu. Pragmatically, he has done nothing useful this game other than be a thorn voting against a majority. Even people like Bereft who wanted to lynch me, decided to give it up in the best interests of town. I think this makes Onegu look terrible. | ||
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On November 26 2013 11:06 Bereft wrote: what do you mean scum claim by delay KP usage? I support the jampi lynch. and yeah, white mafia is my epic fail scum game. You are right, I never thought about Option #4 below. There was 0 kill Night 1. Either: (1) Doctor exists and made correct save (on Thrawn) --> Thrawn is confirmed town (2) RB exists and RB scum --> I imagine the Town RB would have campaigned for this scum person all cycle Day 2 + makes no sense in the context of the doctor claim. (3) Scum used Delay KP to have 2 KP Night 2 (4) Scum used Delay KP and a Doctor exists. Hence, what occurs Night 2 based on the Night 1 options (1) Scum have a maximum of 1 KP, minimum of 0 (2) ?? (3) Scum have 2KP (4) Scum have 2KP, and possibility of 1 save to reduce to 1KP. There is a possibility of 2KP and a doctor existing... fuck me. In this instance, I still feel much better about a lynch on jampidampi regardless of Night Kills. I think Onegu is a logical second lynch (assuming jampi is scum) Hopefully Holy/Slam become more transparent and we can lynch between them. Like I said before, Holys claim is so so so stupid I dont get it as scum. I know he has pride in his scum game and plays super pro-town. I'm very confused about where I stand with him, other than LoneMeow was relatively scummy from a very low post count. | ||
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Filtering now for Corazon reads on scibs | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:02 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm not very confident in sciberia being scum. I appreciate the quality of his posts and the transparency he has shown throughout most of the game. I don't want to lynch him today. I am inclined to believe Corazon is truthful This is a complete 180 on his opinion on Scibs from the 40-odd previous comments. Holyflare is confirmed scum; there is no way that this game has doctor + cop considering it is "back to basics". 1 power role each side makes sense due to complicating play via fake claims. KK, so Corazon and Scibs are confirmed town. I do like {Holyflare, jampidampi, Onegu} as the team. GO TOWN !! | ||
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On November 26 2013 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote: Well, thats true. But i think its unlikely to have so many roles.corazon.. when there are cops... there are usually godfathers and/or millers and/or framers. if hf's claim is true then cop + doctor might mean we have all that + scum roleblockers. you should kept silent imo. It defeats the intent of this particular game. That aside: All HF has to do is put a save onto Corazon. At worse, both die and HF is scum; at best, HF dies and Cora gets a cop check. | ||
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On November 26 2013 11:35 thrawn2112 wrote: btw moc, idk if this has been adressed yet, but all that stuff you said about lynching chez first is not good imo. there's pretty much possible way that onegu isn't mafia I find it highly likely that Onegu is mafia But I find it conclusive that jampi is mafia. I dont see the point of this post? Are you arguing that jampi could be town? | ||
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On November 26 2013 11:36 Bereft wrote: cora, please check mocsta. please!!! so you agree with my case on jampi; yet you still think I am scum? dude... c'mon, you dont vote your scum reads.. scum read. | ||
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On November 26 2013 11:41 Bereft wrote: Dude, this is going to be discussed post-game.if onegu is scum, he will eventually get lynched. if mocsta is the last scum, he'll run with it to the end. though I guess if it's true, the presence of a cop AND a doc means there's probably a mafia godfather or some other power role. *THIS* is not a reason to vote someone. Instead of being scared; prove my alignment. Now you already tried to make a case, so did Onegu. You also acknowledged that your best town reads don't think it holds water I dont even understand what your issue with my play is... i mean fuck.. you even agree with my choice of lynch candidate. I dont even need to see a jampi flip to know that *is* the best case in the whole game. Theres not really much else I can say. | ||
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On November 26 2013 11:52 cDgCorazon wrote: Because I would rather spend one check on someone I wasn't too sure of. The difference between last night and tonight is that we NEED to lynch scum tomorrow. I wanted to check someone I was less sure (aka more null) about, just to take off the amount of suspects that I had. I wasn't as sure about Onegu scum as I am now, and getting a red check wasn't as important then as it is now. Also, things weren't as set in stone with 3-4 people who are probably scum. I had about 2-3 solid town reads and was unsure about the rest during night 1. As you can see, I got a green check with sciberia and I stopped attacking him after N1. Scibs made some sense to me because Corazon filter was lazed with over 40 references to scibs throughout the cycle. He was also Corazons first scum read. Having said that.. On November 24 2013 09:38 cDgCorazon wrote: This is before the night post ended.Why are these posts basically the same? Why are they both attacking Mocsta and trying to pass the blame for the Rayn lynch solely on him? Cause they are scum! Im kinda surprised HF wasnt checked. I would expect him after that claim and you calling him out as scum to be your first read. I suppose you could argue he may have been shot so its a waste of a check. But then yes, I am in agreement with Bereft, Onegu makes more sense from your perspective. | ||
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##Vote: Onegu I agree with Thrawn, it doesnt make a difference. | ||
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