EPTGrack, did you ever....read the thread?
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austinmcc
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Grack, did you ever....read the thread? | ||
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austinmcc
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Grack, please magically reappear! LoneMeow, please magically reappear and talk to me about people other than CC, and why you find/found CC townie! Oats, please also magically appear and talk to me about why you find/found CC townie! Yayayayayayayayayayayayayayayaya | ||
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Holyflare
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##Vote Coag | ||
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Holyflare
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Now that risen flipped town it looks more scummy that coag mentioned thrawn and oats as lynch targets the night before only to then vote risen when thrawns name popped up as an alternate vote. It wasn't until austin posted a long case that people switched over because they pretty much knew thrawn was fucked at that point IMO. | ||
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austinmcc
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On December 02 2013 07:12 Holyflare wrote: I don't love lynching coag. Your case boils down to (1) BC shifting his coag read around; (2) coag's posting being...lacking; and (3) coag's reads shifting at times in odd ways, as I read it.What's up! I don't think we should lynch cheesecake today by the way, he has only really been discussed VERY recently and you have had no back and forth, austin you are in agreement (presumably because half the things you said on coag were what I said in my case) on coag and he HAS been discussed and was part of the original lynch plan. I am much more comfortable lynching him over cheesecake unless you can wholeheartedly convince me otherwise. ##Vote Coag I don't think that ANY flipped scum have had particular cool things to say about CC. Will look back over that, but I think that was a point in an earlier post of mine, gonna double check because it's 'portant. As far as coag's posting, it's not a factor. He can post poopily as both alignments iirc. And he HAS gotten posty at certain times. Yes, oats or whoever has a legit point that the interesting times are the times mafia can post, but look at what coag gets interested in. People lying. He doesn't go nuts about mayors. He doesn't go nuts about risen maybe being town or scum. He doesn't go nuts over these things that are just "maybe this, maybe that, blah blah." He is only posty and interested in things that would, in many cases, lead to found scum. I like that about his filter, and may be entirely bass ackwards, but i DO find that townie here. As far as his reads, yeah, they shift for little reason. Or he wants to lynch people that he didn't mention. Or whatever. But if coag is MAFIA, then HOLY CRAP WHY WOULD HE DO THAT!?!?!? This isn't thrawn flipping on BC for little/no reason. This is coag straight up saying lynch x or y, I find x null, okay let's lynch x. Can you give me ANY mafia motivation for explicitly just picking up and dropping "reads" for no reason? Because I don't see a mafia agenda being supported, and I see little mafia motivation for making yourself look so wonky, and so I think that while coag may not be super pro-town or helpful with his reads, he's not DOING ANYTHING mafia-ish with them. And that's important to me. It fits the lazy townie picture that I have in my head, and not the lazy mafia picture. At the very least, mafia coag could like...play for mafia. Could not be super changing his reads for no reason. Could be even lurkier. | ||
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And at the time he swaps, he's the THIRD VOTE on thrawn. He comes over EARLY. He doesn't wait to see if people are around, he doesn't hedge and check thread's temperature, he doesn't argue or drag his feet or anything. He just lumbers over to thrawn for less-than-clearly-specified reasons. | ||
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Holyflare
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If you refuse to lynch him I would MUCH rather lynch into slam/onegu/LM, LM looks really odd from mason chats and his switch to CC just now was so fucking strange after JUST making a case on oats it baffles me what he is thinking. He spent time to make a case on someone to then NOT push it any further and sheep someone he thinks is town? | ||
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Pandain
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On December 01 2013 03:48 Holyflare wrote: I think you're very wrong and I'll show you why later. | ||
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austinmcc
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On December 02 2013 07:31 Holyflare wrote: Some of the votes that have popped onto CC ARE odd. He all of a sudden picked up oodles of steam. But imo, a lot of the coag and oats lynches are "these guys have done some scummy things, here they are, look look! they did some scummy stuff one time, lynch lynch lynch." For all the back and forth you think is lacking on CC, have you felt ANY back and forth on coag, or any REAL stuff on oats? I haven't seen that either. Just because they've been semi-railroaded for longer, whether town or scum, doesn't mean there's been even-sided discussion on them. I think the earlier the vote the more suspicious it is tbh, you just take the post that you wrote at face value, he didn't have to read it, risen had WAY more votes and heck who knew if thrawn would get lynched? It would be suspicious as hell if after saying both were null reads (after saying thrawn should be killed next) he switched back to risen. If I didn't switch risen WOULD have been lynched. Alakaslam moved OFF of thrawn which would have completely secured the kill on him right near the deadline, how do you know whether or not there were mafia shenanigans at present? Coag's posting whether he comes back or not are so mediocre I cannot see how you can get any postive read on him at all. If you refuse to lynch him I would MUCH rather lynch into slam/onegu/LM, LM looks really odd from mason chats and his switch to CC just now was so fucking strange after JUST making a case on oats it baffles me what he is thinking. He spent time to make a case on someone to then NOT push it any further and sheep someone he thinks is town? Coag switches early. He doesn't need to. Thrawn BARELY gets lynched, you are correct, that makes me look somewhat more favorable on the thrawn voters, and is honestly the most townie thing about CC to me. This is not a day to vote a buddy early just to look good later. There is a big fat KP at stake in a game with one or two vets left. That is mega-'portant. You're telling me coag votes before much happens, just to look better, not waiting to see if he's super duper screwing his team over, losing KP, ruining a mislynch. We don't know at all whether there were mafia shenanigans. But the timing on votes and the...reasoning or whatever is important. Coag gets almost no credit for his thrawn vote, the reason you think mafia would vote thrawn. He never says "Lookie lookie I killed thrawn!" He TELLS SLAM TO VOTE THRAWN. It does not FEEL like a vote for credit. We don't know, but just because it CAN be for credit doesn't mean it is, and based on the timing, his telling slam to lynch thrawn, and his not really bringing either of those up, he looks townie to me. | ||
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Pandain
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Mm actions louder then words. Did he ever actually push Mocsta, Austin. Did he say oh shut your scummy. He defended thrawn. He never actually voted for BC. Regardless of cheesecakes alignment, oats is probably scum. And I do think that maybe we shouldn't lynch a guy who voted to lower mafia kp. Today at least | ||
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Holyflare
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He was the first vote on risen, he didn't need to switch AT ALL and nobody would bat an eyelid, then he returns with: On November 26 2013 05:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I want to lynch both risen and thrawn. You know what? FUCK IT SHENANIGANS!!!!! ##Unvote ##Vote: Thrawn You think that's something scum do? He pretty much maintained steam on the reverse lynch train ONTO thrawn. He was the 5th person to do it and that added a LOT of weight onto thrawn and off of risen. He could have stayed on risen and done mucho shenanigans, especially as the vote was soo so close at the end. People called him scum for an "if risen is town" scenario, however, he even says that the "if he is town bit" has no real analsysis put into it and should be seen as tentative for now. What would be the point of that, he detailed out the "if he is scum" bit way more methodically, something I see a towny doing. I think a scum would flesh out both parts equally. | ||
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Holyflare
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On November 27 2013 10:01 austinmcc wrote: You put a lot of work into risen being town. Like...more work than you have put into the rest of the game (Said in a smiley way). It looked odd. Especially since the last time we played together, you were really lurky, a bunch of scum died, then you bussed a scumbuddy, then were really lurky, and that game didn't go so well. This game, you were really lurky, a bunch of scum are dying, and all of a sudden you are not really lurky. So maybe you're town, or maybe you decided you had to get active as mafia because you had no control in Sexy Sandwich Mafia. I dunno. Or compare with HF's activity. HF got active, made a case on a questionable dude based on some flips and some posts and stuff. Then keeps reminding people he did that. His activity looks targeted at a filter, at a person, at a scumread, and at making people discuss possible scum. Yours looks more targeted at speculation, what might be the case if x happens, or y happens. It feels...not super duper townie. But non-sarcastic props for getting involved and posting. If you actually read CC's post, it really is no effort at all for the town part, he's highlighted people different colours on who he thinks are town/scum and they all really hinge on the thrawn lynch, it's pretty because colours but if you put a ribbon on a pile of poop at the end of the day it's just a pretty pile of poop. It was most definitely also fine to list out an if risen is town part because if he was scum then none of the wagons mattered at all because it was 1 scum between another, if he was town then wagons played a more important part in the game. I didn't see you mention that though. | ||
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Pandain
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Plus, that is effort to think through all those scenarios. Compare that to all his previous generic x is scum or town and its pretty suspicious | ||
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