EPTNot look at CC's mentions of thrawn, and WHEN he votes. Also, look at his posts and suspicions on Risen.
Thrawn
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On November 24 2013 08:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
We lynch risen auto tmrw no shenanies.
Then we look into thrawn/oats/koshi. You and me both SS. Although ill prolly F off most of the time just make me proud.
FIRST MENTION. After D3. Auto-lynch risen, then later we look at a bunch of dudesWe lynch risen auto tmrw no shenanies.
Then we look into thrawn/oats/koshi. You and me both SS. Although ill prolly F off most of the time just make me proud.
On November 24 2013 10:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Because SS said so. Never said thrawn aint maf.
Because SS said so. Never said thrawn aint maf.
Why is thrawn, who you have never mentioned before, mafia? Because SS said so!
I HATE WHEN PEOPLE DO THIS AND THE ONLY OTHER TIME I REALLY RAILED AGAINST IT, A SCUMMY DUDE DID THIS. MATTCHEW SHEEPED MARV'S D1 READ IN SOME GAME WHEN MARV HAD A BAD RECORD WITH D1 VOTING. SS SPENT THE WHOLE GAME WANTING TO LYNCH OATS BECAUSE MAYBE HE BLOCKED SOME KP. SS WAS BLINDED BY THAT FACT, AND IT COLORED HIS READS INCORRECTLY, AND I THINK PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO LYNCH DOWN SS'S LIST WERE SCUMMY BECAUSE SS SPENT A WHILE ARGUING BC TOWN AND OATS SCUM AND HE IS NOT THE PERSON WHOSE LIST WE SHOULD FOLLOW. ANYONE WHO SAYS "FOLLOW SS'S LIST" AND NEVER SAYS "FOLLOW ARTANIS'S LYNCH, THE VIGI WHO WOULD HAVE SHOT 2 MAFIA" IS SILLY SILLY SILLY SILLY SILLY AND SCUMMY.
ALSO ALSO, LOOK AT THE FRIGGING POST. HE'S NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THRAWN, AND INSTEAD OF PROVIDED WHY THRAWN IS SCUMMY OR NOT, COMPARED TO RISEN, HE JUST SAYS HE HAS NEVER SAID THRAWN ISN'T MAFIA. WHAT IS THAT!?
On November 26 2013 02:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Im looking at thrawn more now.
Im looking at thrawn more now.
On November 26 2013 02:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Thrawn calls grack scum, and risen town. Why the fuck isn't he trying at all to disband this lynch? He knows he's next in line, too.
HE STILL REFUSES TO CALL THRAWN MAFIA. THESE POSTS INVOLVE THRAWN, BUT THERE IS NO READ HERE. ALL HE DOES IS TOSS A SINGLE THING OUT TO SHOW HE'S LOOKING AT THRAWN. HE SHOULD FIND THRAWN'S NOT TRYING TO DISBAND THE LYNCH SCUMMY. BUT HE DOESN'T SAY THAT. HE DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THRAWN'S EARLIER PLAY. NADA.Thrawn calls grack scum, and risen town. Why the fuck isn't he trying at all to disband this lynch? He knows he's next in line, too.
ONLY LATER DOES CC GO LOOK AT THRAWN. AND HE NEVER USES THRAWN'S FILTER ITSELF, JUST WHAT BC SAYS ABOUT THRAWN. LOOK. HE CHECKS MOCSTA'S FILTER, SAYS NOTHING ABOUT MOCSTA <---> THRAWN. HE CHECKS BC's FILTER, SHOWS HOW THRAWN LOOKS A LITTLE WONKY THERE. NEVER SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THRAWN'S FILTER.
DOES NOT LOOK GREAT TO ME. HIS ONLY REASON FOR THRAWN BEING MAFIA THAT HE EVER GAVE WAS THAT BC CALLS OUT HIRO/THRAWN BUT NOT OTHER LURKERS. THAT AIN'T DOGSQUAT. IT'S D4. THRAWN HAS POSTED AND DONE STUFF. WHY DOESN'T HE CARE WHAT THRAWN HAS DOOOOONE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Risen
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On November 24 2013 07:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Im also really suspect of koshi, SS, risen. I think that fits nicely.
Whyyyyyyyy? (Also this is three townies, right after BC dies, and scum NEED to lynch town and not mafia in order to preserve KP. This is first mention of risen.Im also really suspect of koshi, SS, risen. I think that fits nicely.
Then the auto-lynch risen because of SS. WHY!? WHY WOULD WE DO THAT!?
On November 24 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
OMG SUPER IM SORRY I DOUBTED YOU!!!
OATS LOOKS BAD BUT IDC KILL RISEN 10000000%
I start the claim. I'm VT. Not doctor, Sadly.
Start counting. Here, Risen is 10000000% mafia.OMG SUPER IM SORRY I DOUBTED YOU!!!
OATS LOOKS BAD BUT IDC KILL RISEN 10000000%
I start the claim. I'm VT. Not doctor, Sadly.
At night, after thrawn is lynched, he starts considering Risen as possible town:
On November 26 2013 10:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Mig
Onegu
Koshi
Coagulation
Hopeless1der
Grackaroni
Pandain
VayneAuthority
austinmcc
Risen
Mr. Cheesecake
Holyflare
LoneMeow
Alakaslam
Oatsmaster
I'm looking at this if Risen is indeed town.
Mig
Onegu
Koshi
Coagulation
Hopeless1der
Grackaroni
Pandain
VayneAuthority
austinmcc
Risen
Mr. Cheesecake
Holyflare
LoneMeow
Alakaslam
Oatsmaster
I'm looking at this if Risen is indeed town.
On November 26 2013 10:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Therefore we lynch risen, if town, then lynch from the not-green list and get a 3/5 chance to hit mafia.
Therefore we lynch risen, if town, then lynch from the not-green list and get a 3/5 chance to hit mafia.
On November 26 2013 10:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If Risen is mafia, then i'm looking harder at people who really wanted to switch to thrawn to gain that towncred.
If Risen is mafia, then i'm looking harder at people who really wanted to switch to thrawn to gain that towncred.
Risen was his D4 lynch. Then he moved to thrawn, but risen was 10000000% mafia. But now, maybe risen is town? In fact, let's figure out the game if risen is town.
UNHOLY FUCKER OF MOTHERS AIN'T NOBODY THINK RISEN IS TOWN RIGHT NOW EXCEPT MAYBE VA. HE JUST TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF WHEN WE NEEDED TO KILL SCUM. WHAT THE DEUCE WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND LOOKING AT GAME OBJECTIVELY GOES FROM RISEN HAS TO DIE TO MAYBE RISEN IS TOWNIE FOR TRYING TO GIVE MAFIA MORE KP1?!?!?!?!?!!?
On November 26 2013 12:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In addition: Look at the votecount on D3 with BC/Thrawn/Risen.
both scum were voting for Pandain, and not risen. Risen had his vote tied up in Oats and rayn. Yeah, we're lynching Risen tomorrow 100% no shenannies. Except really no shenannies this time.
In addition: Look at the votecount on D3 with BC/Thrawn/Risen.
both scum were voting for Pandain, and not risen. Risen had his vote tied up in Oats and rayn. Yeah, we're lynching Risen tomorrow 100% no shenannies. Except really no shenannies this time.
Risen is mafia again.
On November 26 2013 14:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
1) Risen needs to be lynched tomorrow, cut and dry. If you are advocating against lynching Risen, you are not being pro-town. There is indisputable evidence that Risen is probably mafia. In the event he flips town, the game is all but won due to the information we possess via votecounts and flipped scum associations.
2) In the event Risen flips Town. Follow this List. I believe it to be correct.
Mig ---> Claims 2-shot vigi, seems legit. Very plausible town.
Coagulation ---> Voted Thrawn, if scum would have killed town Risen.
Hopeless1der ---> Both BC and Mocsta were scummy on him. Voted Thrawn.
Grackaroni ---> All 3 scum have pushed him super hard. Could be universal bussing, but likely town. Voted Thrawn.
austinmcc ---> began Thrawn wagon of justice, leading lynch onto scum away from town.
Mr. Cheesecake---> I'm town bitches.
Holyflare ---> Voted Thrawn. Seemed townie to me early on.
LoneMeow ---> Mason. 3 mafia masons? Voted Thrawn last hour when could have killed Risen ez.
Alakaslam ---> Voted Thrawn. Called mafia by Thrawn I think. Least townie of town.
Onegu ---> Voted Risen, ??? What has he done this game I don't remember.
Koshi ---> Led lynch onto Town Rayn, leading away from Town Risen, no big deal. Didn't vote thrawn.
Oatsmaster ---> Scummy in his own right. Declined to vote, not modkilled.
Pandain --> Towniest of the reds. Both scum voted him end of D3. Bus tactics? didn't kill thrawn. was he the vet claim?
VayneAuthority ---> Claims mad hatter, but no proofs of explody bombs. Didnt vote thrawn, but didnt vote Risen either.
3) In the event Risen flips Mafia. Only two mafia left!
We gain a ton of information about the Day 4 and Day 3 lynches. Look at who were voting BC/Thrawn/Risen. Who was NOT voting these people and shying away from them. I think Koshi really fits the bill here, pulling the Risen lynch onto Rayn.
For Day 4, mafia were probably bussing Risen because he was the unanimous lynch. Switching onto Thrawn last minute is a good way to gain towncred by swing voting a mafia (See: Nomination, I lead a lynch on scum away from scum VE, gain all the towncred, lose game cus can't kill people at night). In this case, the associations and voting patterns get a bit harder to decipher, as both candidates were mafia. I'd be looking at people who either didn't care about the lynch target, or were trying to actively call Risen town by virtue of Thrawn being mafia. This lynch gains scum Risen towncred and the ones who lynched Risen towncred. It's hazy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Scum has 1 KP. With daybreak, assuming 1 town dies, game will be at 3 v 11 (14 players left). Assuming Risen flips town + 1 more death, 3 v 9. Mislynch again. 3 v 7. mislynch AGAIN 3 v 5 lylo. This means that IF Risen flips town, we still have two lynches with ALL THAT INFORMATION. Still, a VERY good position for town! If he flips scum, we have more mislynches allotted, but with less direction. Can probably close out the game by being active, and when the first scum of the last two flips.
Game's in the bag, folks. If anyone can dispute this strategy, do so now. Lynch Risen, win game.
He says there's "INDISPUTABLE evidence that RISEN IS PROBABLY MAFIA." WHAT DOES THAT MEEEEEAAAAAN? That means jack. That means nothing. You can't argue that Risen might or might not be mafia, but probably is. Back to you in the studio, Jeanette.Mr. Cheesecake's Big List of What The Fuck to Do
1) Risen needs to be lynched tomorrow, cut and dry. If you are advocating against lynching Risen, you are not being pro-town. There is indisputable evidence that Risen is probably mafia. In the event he flips town, the game is all but won due to the information we possess via votecounts and flipped scum associations.
- A) Evidence - Not a single mention of Risen in Mocsta's filter. Albeit short, he never mentions Risen throughout the cycle in which he lived. Thrawn did not want to lynch Risen, nor did BC. This is obvious by the votecounts on Day 3, in which both mafia voted for Pandain rather than Risen. Thrawn blatantly says that he doesn't want to lynch Risen during Day 3.
B) Evidence - Risen martyr's like a fool. I saw little attempt to direct town in the right direction if he had died. He Promises to make cases before the deadline! Look!
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On November 25 2013 08:27 Risen wrote:
1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me.
2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not.
1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me.
2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not.
Risen is not caring about the town, and doesn't make good on his promises. Did you see any giant Risen case? He was about to die, very close. No cases. He was going to die silently.
C) Evidence - Risen just isn't playing very pro-town in general. I can't exactly say much to this point, but it's true. What evidence is there that Risen is town? I can't find much in this regard. Lynch.
2) In the event Risen flips Town. Follow this List. I believe it to be correct.
Mig ---> Claims 2-shot vigi, seems legit. Very plausible town.
Coagulation ---> Voted Thrawn, if scum would have killed town Risen.
Hopeless1der ---> Both BC and Mocsta were scummy on him. Voted Thrawn.
Grackaroni ---> All 3 scum have pushed him super hard. Could be universal bussing, but likely town. Voted Thrawn.
austinmcc ---> began Thrawn wagon of justice, leading lynch onto scum away from town.
Mr. Cheesecake---> I'm town bitches.
Holyflare ---> Voted Thrawn. Seemed townie to me early on.
LoneMeow ---> Mason. 3 mafia masons? Voted Thrawn last hour when could have killed Risen ez.
Alakaslam ---> Voted Thrawn. Called mafia by Thrawn I think. Least townie of town.
Onegu ---> Voted Risen, ??? What has he done this game I don't remember.
Koshi ---> Led lynch onto Town Rayn, leading away from Town Risen, no big deal. Didn't vote thrawn.
Oatsmaster ---> Scummy in his own right. Declined to vote, not modkilled.
Pandain --> Towniest of the reds. Both scum voted him end of D3. Bus tactics? didn't kill thrawn. was he the vet claim?
VayneAuthority ---> Claims mad hatter, but no proofs of explody bombs. Didnt vote thrawn, but didnt vote Risen either.
3) In the event Risen flips Mafia. Only two mafia left!
We gain a ton of information about the Day 4 and Day 3 lynches. Look at who were voting BC/Thrawn/Risen. Who was NOT voting these people and shying away from them. I think Koshi really fits the bill here, pulling the Risen lynch onto Rayn.
For Day 4, mafia were probably bussing Risen because he was the unanimous lynch. Switching onto Thrawn last minute is a good way to gain towncred by swing voting a mafia (See: Nomination, I lead a lynch on scum away from scum VE, gain all the towncred, lose game cus can't kill people at night). In this case, the associations and voting patterns get a bit harder to decipher, as both candidates were mafia. I'd be looking at people who either didn't care about the lynch target, or were trying to actively call Risen town by virtue of Thrawn being mafia. This lynch gains scum Risen towncred and the ones who lynched Risen towncred. It's hazy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Scum has 1 KP. With daybreak, assuming 1 town dies, game will be at 3 v 11 (14 players left). Assuming Risen flips town + 1 more death, 3 v 9. Mislynch again. 3 v 7. mislynch AGAIN 3 v 5 lylo. This means that IF Risen flips town, we still have two lynches with ALL THAT INFORMATION. Still, a VERY good position for town! If he flips scum, we have more mislynches allotted, but with less direction. Can probably close out the game by being active, and when the first scum of the last two flips.
Game's in the bag, folks. If anyone can dispute this strategy, do so now. Lynch Risen, win game.
LOOK AT HOW MUCH WORK HE PUTS INTO "WHAT IF RISEN IS TOWN!?" He thought Risen was 1000000% mafia. He thinks Risen is 100% the vote because of Risen's D3 pandain vote. But he's got HUGE text on what to do if Risen is town. WHY IN THE WORLD!? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY1? IF RISEN FLIPS TOWN DON'T WE FIGURE THAT OUT LATER BUT NOBODY THINKS RISEN IS TOWN?!
On November 26 2013 14:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Just a side note: The list in "Risen Flips Town" scenario is tentative. I didn't do that much analysis, and would rather wait for his flip, as to not waste all the energy/effort on something that wasn't true.
Bee tee dubs, Risen is maybe not town. Just a side note: The list in "Risen Flips Town" scenario is tentative. I didn't do that much analysis, and would rather wait for his flip, as to not waste all the energy/effort on something that wasn't true.
I think CC pulls thrawn out of his butt, dodges EVER calling him mafia during a time where mafia NEEDS to keep scumbuddies alive, and only comes on board when a vote or two has been placed, indicating that momentum has started shifting to thrawn.
He comes on board NOT by reading thrawn. NOT by ever calling thrawn scummy. But by pulling up a single BC post that mentions hiro, and working off of that. THIS is his reason for voting. BC made a post that had hiro but not other lurkers. GG THRAWN SCUM LYNCH LYNCH.
No. Not buying it.
I think CC ALSO pulls risen out of his butt, because risen all of a sudden looks bad. CC wants to lynch him because of the SS list, which, see the spoilers, I find scummy. CC wants to lynch him, wants to lynch him, but keeps hedging that maybe he's town and what we should do if he's town. He is making these posts after Risen continues voting himself when we need to reduce mafia KP. Risen ain't town at that point. Ain't nobody seriously arguing that Risen is town, VA will say it and if you ask him way he'll tell you to sit on it six feet sideways and rotate. Nobody logically arguing a case for townRisen though, yet CC keeps on hinting "well if he's town, maybe this?"
His thrawn/risen stuff is booty.
