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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 01 2013 23:20 GMT
#7261
I checked the vote and he was on unvoted, then I checked his log and saw he only posted in thread.

On November 24 2013 17:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote Risen I have no idea why Austin doesnt want to lynch risen.



Makes perfect sense.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 01 2013 23:20 GMT
#7262
On December 02 2013 08:17 Pandain wrote:
Please use correct game terms I have not known any game you referenced because of it
Thug Life, town. Nuclear...Nuclear Winter? Mafia.
Fe fi fo fum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 01 2013 23:21 GMT
#7263
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432504&user=Oatsmaster&view=all

Look at this he was way more active
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 01 2013 23:23 GMT
#7264
If scum lost a kp because oats didn't vote in the vote thread I will seriously just spam lol all post-game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 01 2013 23:24 GMT
#7265
but I honestly don't think they would let him do that
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 01 2013 23:25 GMT
#7266
It's extremely likely he wasn't there.

So do you agree oats is scum and want to vote him with me. There are three scum, and lynching scum today won't lower kp so it'll be same if we lynch him later
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 01 2013 23:27 GMT
#7267
Well, talk to me about slam a little bit and I'll consider oats.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 01 2013 23:28 GMT
#7268
On December 02 2013 08:21 Pandain wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432504&user=Oatsmaster&view=all

Look at this he was way more active
Do you have other active games from him?

Cuz he wasn't aprticularly active in thug life.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=Oatsmaster

Same thing as here, pushed as a mislynch by mafia, only avoided it because he got a town check from Koshi. And after that check, he proceeded to not be a massive force the next day and then get shot at some point?
Fe fi fo fum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 01 2013 23:29 GMT
#7269
I think slams vote is the most suspicious thing in the game and I think he should die by the way.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 01 2013 23:30 GMT
#7270
I have a town read on him because he is playing too dumb to be mafia in this situation, wanting to martyr himself is dumb as town but worse for scum esp. after what they saw with risen.

He was also extremely blunt about wanting to lynch Rayn because he made the thread a clusterfuck

Could be less scum but I wouldn't lynch him now
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 01 2013 23:31 GMT
#7271
HF, do you agree or disagree about my characterization of CC's reads on risen and thrawn? Does his risen vote look scum or town-minded? Does his thrawn vote and reasoning look scum or town-minded?
Fe fi fo fum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 01 2013 23:34 GMT
#7272
On December 02 2013 08:28 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 08:21 Pandain wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432504&user=Oatsmaster&view=all

Look at this he was way more active
Do you have other active games from him?

Cuz he wasn't aprticularly active in thug life.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=Oatsmaster

Same thing as here, pushed as a mislynch by mafia, only avoided it because he got a town check from Koshi. And after that check, he proceeded to not be a massive force the next day and then get shot at some point?

I actually disagree he progressed the thread plenty with his questions throughout the game, maybe didn't lead a lynch but it was pretty obvious he was looking

Also I would rather compare the more recent game
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
December 01 2013 23:37 GMT
#7273
His filter here is already 4 pages longer than in Thug Life.

He also had an activeish D1/D2 in that game, and started to tail off and get less progressy and good questiony.

That reminds me of this game!

Also, I don't think you can say a dude was pretty obviously looking for scum when town VERY LIKELY would have mislynched him had it not been for the Koshi check. I couldn't get any traction on calling him town. As a townie in that game who found him townie, the consensus was NOT that he looked good or was hunting scum or was progressing the game, the consensus of the townies in that game was that he was mafia and should get killified.
Fe fi fo fum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 01 2013 23:40 GMT
#7274
He also died night three and it's day 6 here

He had on ok day one. An ok
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 01 2013 23:41 GMT
#7275
I think you've extrapolated the wrong side of things from CC's reads on risen. I do agree that he didn't mention thrawn reasonings for mafia compared to risen though but what good reason does he have to switch to thrawn in the first place? Reduction of kp against 2 vets? Kill off for town cred? No, he clearly didn't get any of that, I don't think you can get a thought process from the lack of information that he posted so it's null at best not the scummy light that you have painted it.

The most objective of people would look at risen as both town and scum, the most analytical would look at risen as town (which CC was doing) and make hypothesis based on that scenario IN CASE it happens, he did not call risen town, he is saying in the case that he is town then we can do "x plan", he calls him scummy and votes him (I don't know why he switched to onegu though). What were other people doing at the time? They did sweet FA. They sat on a risen is scum lynch and did nothing to progress further town ideals. At least this is what CC appears to be trying to do. Now what risen has in fact flipped town, I expect him to push into his scenario and lynch off Oats, pandain, VA, onegu, Slam.

On December 01 2013 20:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
b]##vote: oatsmaster
[/b]

which he is doing
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 01 2013 23:41 GMT
#7276
That games different because scum could actually scum hunt in that game because there were two scum teams.

Did you look at ## which is a better comparison
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 01 2013 23:42 GMT
#7277
On November 17 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHICH MEANS HES THE ASSASISN

Also at least 1 mason is scum, we should lynch into the mason pool and all the masons should claim tmr morning with their reads on mason buddies.


Can you explain his assassin conclusion as town
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 01 2013 23:43 GMT
#7278
On December 02 2013 08:09 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 07:03 austinmcc wrote:
Someone who does NOT think Cheesecake is mafia, please magically appear! Let us converse!

Grack, please magically reappear!

LoneMeow, please magically reappear and talk to me about people other than CC, and why you find/found CC townie!

Oats, please also magically appear and talk to me about why you find/found CC townie!

Yayayayayayayayayayayayayayayaya
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 07:05 austinmcc wrote:
And CC talk to me about Vayne!


1 goal down! Come ooonnnnn, other goals!

I think Oats is the best lynch because of BC's interactions with him and some of Pandain's points. BC is really wishy washy with his read on Oats. Considering how hard BC was buddying SS and the RB on Oats and the fact that his only reasoning for people being scummy was that they were useless, I think he would have tried to kill Oatsmaster if Oats was town (especially with his own life on the line and needing a mislynch.) Instead he kept trying to push me for being useless which makes absolutely no sense with SS pushing Oats.

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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
10:57 AM ET (US)
id prefer others but BH cannot be town. His play is that of scum or assassin. You could make a case likely for either side without any issue.

I am unsure of oats currently based purely on the play this current cycle. I find that harder to see in a scum motivated player compared to a town one.


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On November 19 2013 12:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 19 2013 11:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 11:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Which interactions are you referring to? Because in my experience any and all interactions are /possible/ from scum.



I don't think hes tricked me. I recognize he may not have convinced you of anything but I honestly don't think hes tricked me.

Well could you weigh in on the BH/Oats thing? Because I was really just mentioning Pandain because Oats and super were arguing, but I'd really like ur input on the stuff that's going on.



BH has to die plain and simple. None of his actions have been in anyones betterment but his own. IE hes scum or assassin.

I want to say oats is scum. Super has a very decent case on him, and his responses to you and to super since have been well, shit. Rather than attempting to truly defend himself, or create a situation that people could see him as town hes acting like a complete ass. Hes being confrontational for confrontations sake and isn't trying to help anything.

I honestly think unless things shape up he has to go as part of me can see his reactions as just a pissed off townie.


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Supers
11-18-2013
05:27 PM ET (US)
i need your opinion on Oats... I am not sure, if there is a KP missing n1,
4 KP, one shot by Mocsta... I think there might be one missing.
I am not entirely sure.

Regardless of that, I really think my case has something in it.
Do you have any objections you want to talk about?
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
09:45 PM ET (US)
not sure about a missing kp tbh
5 dead one being red.

Marv said there were 6 mafia in thread so their kp would be 3. That puts them at 4.

Still need to filter dive oats as a ton of your case requires reading them all


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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
09:56 PM ET (US)
I am going to have to take a step back from my tunneling ive been doing. I realize I am tunneling like I did against yamato only this time with grack -_-

As a note I strongly disagree with your pandain read. I also can see mig based off today potentially being town. I don't like his lack of participation in thread but he is actively updating his reads on his spreadsheet and when he posted today he was making sense as much as it pisses me off to admit.

Id place my reads more like

Town

Koshi
VE
You
Me
Artanis
OOHchild
Pandain

Null

Grack
Mig
Thrawn
Rayn
Lonemeow
Scum

Hopeless
BH

Leaning scum

Oats
Holyflare

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On November 23 2013 09:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
So. Given that people are still retarded and I am still dying I ensure that my reads get dropped sooner rather than later. I have spent time over the last few days filter diving and trying to avoid tunnel vision too terribly. I recognize it happens and I am prone to it.

100% town

BloodyC0bbler
Supersoft
Pandain
Rayn
Coag
Koshi

Null

Cheesecake
Vayne
onegu
slam
lonemeow
Risen

Mafia
Thrawn
Grackeroni
HolyFlare
Hopeless1nder
Oatsmaster
Mig (possible)
Austin (possible)


Now, what you guys need to do after I flip and you realize you were all bloody wrong is take a long hard look at my reads all game. You will realize I am not bloody retarded like you guys are and with my last will and testament you can win the damn game.

My reasoning behind these choices

Thrawn
I suspected Hiro before thrawn subbed in. Primarily from an activity standpoint but his posts that he did have suck. Thrawn since subbing in has been incredibly active for a day then kinda vanished off the radar. The impact he was making is completely gone and honestly done nothing concrete that I would say makes him town. He doesn't feel right.

Grack
He has only one solid contribution to an entire game. He pushed mocsta. However his vote didn't get mocsta lynched. As “townie” as it looks, you can't opt to make someone townie for a possible contribution. Since then he has done a bunch of nothing and has actively lied about masoning people. He was called out on this and no one seems to care. This is incredibly fucked beyond belief and honestly escapes me that no one has seen through this ruse yet.

HolyFlare
This kid is up there with grack. He has spent the better part of the game tunneling me to shit. He doesn't have a plethora of reads. He even vanishes off the face of the earth. However he always seems to reappear around times I am active to push me to avoid me getting off “heat”. His only other rise to fame is that he was in talks with artanis. Given that holy was in talks with him, he would in the end have known the actual shot target. Rbing the vig then killing him would incriminate me further while leading no heat to himself. This sets up the game for a townie misslynch. Given he is one of the core people pushing repeatedly for my death and I know I'm not scum, that leaves only one option for him which is scum.

Hopeless1nder.
Has no real contributions to the game. Is around enough to ensure hes not modkilled, and posts randomly throughout the game. Mimics thread sentiment too much. As such almost guarenteed red.

Oatmaster
SS is my top town read. Given that and his rb target n1 and 1 kp missing I am inclined to agree that it could be because of this roleblock but not solely because of it. He has played in such a way that the game has become cluttered whenever he appears. He argues with basically everyone and ruins the thread. He does next to nothing aside from create chaos and make the thread unreadable.


Mig
Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim. He claims to be extremely logical and in my eye is not playing to that standard. When you are mafia trying to emulate your actual style of play you are bound to mess up at some point. He also vanishes for long periods of time and appears to primarily tunnel.

Austin
Honestly He is only here on the offchance that in the 6 names prior to this one 3 flip town. He should be the last to die off this list. His play has been decent overall with a few small minor issues. Given I know how good his scum game can be, these issues could make him scum, but not ahead of anyone else on the list.



Note: I have both supersoft and pandain as town reads primarily because of the masoning. However the back and forth created from pandain/ss about the whole pandain is a vet/one of them lied could mean 1 is scum.



##Vote: Oatsmaster

I agree that Cheesecake could also be mafia but I don't feel as strongly about him. He had pretty weak reasoning for his change of mind on BC but he did vote for Thrawn. His interactions with the flipped scum aren't nearly as scummy as I think BC/Oats are. It is kind of scummy that he started putting a lot more effort when scum was losing.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
December 01 2013 23:45 GMT
#7279
On December 02 2013 08:30 Pandain wrote:
I have a town read on him because he is playing too dumb to be mafia in this situation, wanting to martyr himself is dumb as town but worse for scum esp. after what they saw with risen.

He was also extremely blunt about wanting to lynch Rayn because he made the thread a clusterfuck

Could be less scum but I wouldn't lynch him now

On November 26 2013 08:48 Holyflare wrote:
The votes are very close, we need to consolidate on 1 so no shenanigans are possible. Recommend thrawn.



On November 26 2013 09:20 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 08:56 Holyflare wrote:
1h 5 mins to go, most people afk voted or what? It's 7 votes thrawn, 5 risen. DO NOT LIKE.

K noted.

Why should Risen get lynched over Thrawn?


On November 26 2013 09:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 09:02 austinmcc wrote:
VA does not appear to want to vote either. Slam wants to be useful, but does not vote either main candidate and does not follow up. Unknown if he'd go either way.

Thrawn probably votes Risen, if anything. Risen can still switch to Thrawn or someone else.

If thrawn votes risen and slam votes risen, it's still just 7-7 with thrawn hitting 7 first. So thrawn has to vote risen, slam on risen, AND oats on risen, without risen unvoting himself like a non-noob, for there to be a change based on unplaced votes. I did not see anyone else super contemplating swapping.


I will stick with a Thrawn vote. I want things more sure.

Also, though I am uncooperative lazy child, you have been the uncle.

On November 26 2013 09:46 Alakaslam wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: VayneAuthority

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
December 01 2013 23:47 GMT
#7280
Yeah that's one of the reasons he's scummy.

But I would rather both lynch CC and oats
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