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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 02:37 GMT
#139
On November 04 2013 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On November 04 2013 11:14 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm sort of surprised I wasn't the target of his concern if he really wanted to get down to business.


Can you refer me to what you're referring to?

##unvote hello rayn

The absence of goofing around? Or what?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 02:40 GMT
#140
On November 04 2013 11:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best.
I can't read OO for shit.
I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts.
Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk
Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell.
gumshoe ....
thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here
Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch
Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely.
ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts.
hzflank i can read.
Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die.

and yeah, that's it.

I am easy to read. Filter length is 100% accurate indicator. Scum OO is still a scaredy-cat. Pants-on-head may also be used as a town indicator in lieu of filter length. That takes a bit more time to assess though.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 02:44 GMT
#142
On November 04 2013 11:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey WoS, I think your vote was pretty dodgy, do you have any idea why I might be thinking that?

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On November 04 2013 11:37 ObviousOne wrote:
On November 04 2013 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 04 2013 11:14 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm sort of surprised I wasn't the target of his concern if he really wanted to get down to business.


Can you refer me to what you're referring to?

##unvote hello rayn

The absence of goofing around? Or what?


uhh I think I'm trying to ask why you instinctively thought that you would be whoever's "target of concern."

You think you are, or you are? Change the operative word to "could" for your answer btw.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 03:00 GMT
#145
On November 04 2013 11:48 EchelonTee wrote:
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On November 04 2013 09:22 EchelonTee wrote:
On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works?

Kind of strange to say "ususual win-con" as opposed to just "other than our win-con".

How do YOU think Witchcraft should be handled?

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On November 04 2013 10:07 Sylencia wrote:
On November 04 2013 09:50 Vanesco wrote:
On November 04 2013 08:53 Sylencia wrote:
So to anyone who was in the original game, other than our usual win-con, what else should we be looking at in terms of how Witchcraft works?

I don't really like this. You don't really put effort in to even cross-check the players from the last game (of witchcraft) which is really simple to do. The only player to play in the last one is Thrawn who was shot night 1. But I think that is not very relevant since each game can turn out different. I think you should come to your own conclusions on how to play this themed game instead of hoping others tell you how to play. It just seems like your not willing to put the effort in to even try to solve this game for yourself. It's also very dangerous to discuss strategy because scum can see everything also and can use that against town. I'm of the opinion that everybody should play the way THEY think is the correct way to play.


Relax there.

Anyone who's played with me before nows I'm at work during these hours - though lazy on my part I don't have the time to extensively browse through the past to find all the information I want. In any case I wasn't asking "how to win guys", it was more of a "were there any traps which caused trouble for town that we should look out for" but since there's an entirely new cast of players pretty much there's not really any answers to give unless someone here obsed the last game and can remember it.

If you have the time to write that paragraph, you have time to answer my question. Why won't you discuss your thoughts on Witchcraft, and only spend time defending yourself?

I disagree with people claiming actions, because if I voted someone as a blue and they avoided the blue-vig, I'd like to continue voting them.

If you put Syl on the defensive by attacking for activity you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of his lynch. That's just how it works with Syl. Try seeing what Syl does proactively first before you go all bat-shit with this. If you don't know Syl's MO then I'll make it one sentence for you: both alignments he ends up defending his activity to death and never gets the chance to do actual scum hunting. Therefore by leaving Syl to his devices you will more quickly get a feel for mindset and goals than cornering him.

This is specific to Syl only but you can check out some past games to see what I mean. A scum one was This Town Ain't Big Enough mafia if I recall correctly.

Please don't make it harder than it needs to be to get a read on Syl.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 03:08 GMT
#151
On November 04 2013 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On November 04 2013 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 04 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:
On November 04 2013 11:03 Vanesco wrote:
Yes that was me WaveofShadow (what name abbreviation do you prefer?). I haven't played with anybody here but ObviousOne was host of my only TL game (Newbie Mini Mafia 50). If you just look at like first 1-2 pages of day 1 of that then you realize that I start off pretty similar. I don't like to start of games with "oh how is everybody doing, lets have fun and make jokes guys". That contributes very little to town in my opinion and just putting something on someone will always get the conversation rolling. Overall I'm happy the game is being started (more seriously) and that suspicion is being put on people (even if it is me). We are never going to gain anything just sitting around and making jokes all day.

Vanesco seems like a reasonable fellow at the moment, he was the tat to my tit, the business time to my business socks. I like his response here.

WoS could make that response as either side, I interpret his endorsement of Umasi purely as appreciation for that post. The tidbit about not even liking to sheep makes me lean more town than scum.

Why dat? I feel like my first instinct (meta aside) if I were analyzing a post like that would be scum making early excuses for himself. Seems like an odd conclusion to draw.

OO, I don't think you understood what I was saying here btw.
WHat I was saying was that I'm not sure why you gave me a townread based on me talking about sheeping; excluding meta if I saw anyone else do what I just did I'd be more likely to think that is scum-indicative.
Care to respond?

Thrawn, your latest post:
Probs 3/4 of the way up. If he's town he has plenty of time to prove himself in terms of nooby vs scummy, though since he says he has experience outside of the forum I'm less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially because I get burned on that pretty damn often.

You literally handed over any thread control you could have gained to someone else and that's not something I would associate with scum-you doing.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 03:14 GMT
#154
On November 04 2013 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On November 04 2013 12:08 ObviousOne wrote:
On November 04 2013 12:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 04 2013 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On November 04 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:
On November 04 2013 11:03 Vanesco wrote:
Yes that was me WaveofShadow (what name abbreviation do you prefer?). I haven't played with anybody here but ObviousOne was host of my only TL game (Newbie Mini Mafia 50). If you just look at like first 1-2 pages of day 1 of that then you realize that I start off pretty similar. I don't like to start of games with "oh how is everybody doing, lets have fun and make jokes guys". That contributes very little to town in my opinion and just putting something on someone will always get the conversation rolling. Overall I'm happy the game is being started (more seriously) and that suspicion is being put on people (even if it is me). We are never going to gain anything just sitting around and making jokes all day.

Vanesco seems like a reasonable fellow at the moment, he was the tat to my tit, the business time to my business socks. I like his response here.

WoS could make that response as either side, I interpret his endorsement of Umasi purely as appreciation for that post. The tidbit about not even liking to sheep makes me lean more town than scum.

Why dat? I feel like my first instinct (meta aside) if I were analyzing a post like that would be scum making early excuses for himself. Seems like an odd conclusion to draw.

OO, I don't think you understood what I was saying here btw.
WHat I was saying was that I'm not sure why you gave me a townread based on me talking about sheeping; excluding meta if I saw anyone else do what I just did I'd be more likely to think that is scum-indicative.
Care to respond?

Thrawn, your latest post:
Probs 3/4 of the way up. If he's town he has plenty of time to prove himself in terms of nooby vs scummy, though since he says he has experience outside of the forum I'm less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially because I get burned on that pretty damn often.

You literally handed over any thread control you could have gained to someone else and that's not something I would associate with scum-you doing.

Have you ever seen scum-me?
And thread control based on first post?
And 'giving it up' to Umasi?

Like....I think I sort of follow your thought process maybe but that's a really weird way of explaining it. Why would you think I'd have to establish control of the thread in my first post? Do any of my first posts as town accomplish this? How does sheeping Umasi remove any credibility I may or may not have?

It wasn't like a huge ass town read I got from it, just a leaning away from default null (unless you count my earlier joke about how all'a'y'all be scum). It's an interesting thing to track as the game progresses but most importantly it's day one and I'm establishing base-line reads. That doesn't mean I agree with Umasi's case or your sheeping of it but it's a nugget I extracted from it. It's interesting that you contest me on this, but that idea leads to WIFOM city so I'll not bother you with that.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 03:14 GMT
#155
You were scum with Vayne in Les Mafia right WoS?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 03:23 GMT
#158
On November 04 2013 12:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 04 2013 12:14 ObviousOne wrote:
You were scum with Vayne in Les Mafia right WoS?

What do you want to know, i can answer.

Just making sure I remembered correctly. I figured out he was scum in that game relatively handily by just starting to read towards the last day or two of the game and how his narrative started to fall apart (to me, as an uninvested observer). Are you familiar with his more recent scum games and has it improved significantly if you are?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 03:31 GMT
#161
On November 04 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On November 04 2013 12:23 ObviousOne wrote:
On November 04 2013 12:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 04 2013 12:14 ObviousOne wrote:
You were scum with Vayne in Les Mafia right WoS?

What do you want to know, i can answer.

Just making sure I remembered correctly. I figured out he was scum in that game relatively handily by just starting to read towards the last day or two of the game and how his narrative started to fall apart (to me, as an uninvested observer). Are you familiar with his more recent scum games and has it improved significantly if you are?

I want to know what the hell does this have to do with Vayne and why?
Afaik WoS has not been scum since Les.

le sigh
because they were scum together? Anyway it's a moot point and we can drop it if that was his last scum game; I have some semblance of an idea of what to look for regarding him.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 03:31 GMT
#162
On November 04 2013 12:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
god i just realized i ahve been calling WoS "really good " as scum and i have only seen him play scum once, in a game i died N1.. :p

omg rayn scum making up bullshit totes votes
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 16:03 GMT
#235
On November 04 2013 20:59 Sylencia wrote:
My guess is that OO misread Vanesco as Vayne(sco)

No. It was his interactions with Vayne in that game that clued me in, that's all. No mystery here.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 16:12 GMT
#237
Gumshoe coming out of the gate full-yolo. Keep it up. I'll want to see your read on hzflank midday.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 17:45 GMT
#252
Should I have to clarify that it was intended as "before we go bat-shit" or does hyperbole escape you as well?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 17:48 GMT
#253
On November 05 2013 02:39 Vanesco wrote:
I don't like how WoS has been only on my case from basically the start of the game and his inconsistencies so far. He even points out to me not to talk about any games still going on but when Echelon does so here in direct response to WoS, he doesn't even mention it. These inconsistencies pop up many times in his play. He keeps on talking about the out I took from him when I even address that it was from Echelon and I disagree with him, yet he persist that it is because of his out. WoS says that "activity is not [his] only defense", however when you are confused why people would put suspicion on you you just say that you think your performance is decent and that you have a large filter. If somebody doesn't agree with your performance (which is why you might be on their scum list) then the only defense that's left is your filter. Overall I am leaning slightly scummy.

I don't really like your reasoning sno_man on the lynch on Onegu. Especially as a Day 1 lynch I think it would not be a wise move just lynching somebody because you have a hard time reading them.

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On November 04 2013 12:04 thrawn2112 wrote:
This vanesco thing, I could hardly be less interested in any of the arguments against him. I AM interested in WoS's post and want him to get back to me before the magic wears off.

This is the only thing thrawn has posted that seems relevant so far. It seems like he's not interested in any arguments on me and just goes straight at WoS for his post on me. It seems more like a deflection off of me and onto WoS. Maybe there was something more he wanted to say about WoS but he doesn't really have any useful information apart from the part i quoted above. Yes it was his special day but I do not like what he has contributed in the game so far.

My two strongest town reads in the game so far is Echelon and Sylencia. Echelon has made posts that make sense to me and his response to OO saying that Echelon was going "bat-shit" seems very level headed. I was comfortable with Sylencia's first response to my first post and he has stuck true to everything that he has said from the start of the game.

Show me precisely how you came to those town reads, in detail, thanks.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 18:10 GMT
#258
On November 05 2013 02:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 02:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 04 2013 17:56 EchelonTee wrote:
On November 04 2013 10:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
I am sooo uncomfortably unfamiliar with this player list.. I think Syl, WoS, and maybe Sn0 are the only people I've played with?

OH lol and rayn ofc

Oh Thrawn, can you tell me what you think of Syl since you've played with him before?


I don't think I've ever played with mafia syl. As town he's lurky and people always want to lynch him even though they know better. As for this game I'm not worried abotu him atm.

WOS: what do you think about the entrances of gumshoe and sn0_man

Gumshoe's entrance is solid. I mean, he's wrong, but it's at least everything you want to see from a townie.
Sn0 I'm pretty meh on. I was trying to encourage him to contribute something on a topic he seemed to feel something about but he didn't really offer much.

I could lynch Sn0 at this point.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 18:15 GMT
#260
Echelon rubs me the wrong way too. Need to go back and read a past filter or two from him to voice check.

Haha. Rubs.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 18:19 GMT
#263
On November 05 2013 03:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On November 05 2013 03:15 ObviousOne wrote:
Echelon rubs me the wrong way too. Need to go back and read a past filter or two from him to voice check.

Haha. Rubs.

Have you played with him before?
I have a cursory townread on him based on our coming up with similar thoughts around the same time re: Vanesco.

No that's why I've gotta go check =[
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 18:31 GMT
#269
On November 05 2013 03:25 Sn0_Man wrote:
ET felt transparently scum last game in the later stages of D1. I'm not in a rush to lynch him until I see that stuff again.

Seems to check out plus one other nugget which I will reveal should a case become necessary. Carry on.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 18:43 GMT
#277
First person to doubt me seriously is usually scum. Hi gumshoe. How serious?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
November 04 2013 18:43 GMT
#278
On November 05 2013 03:35 Vanesco wrote:
Sure OO. Echelon has stated how he disagrees with the strategy by hz and later on agrees on my point about the strategy that hz posted can be used against town. The strategy post he makes later on I am actually fine with (claiming roles when there are no blue able to be voted in) because at this point scum cannot use the vigi shot against the blues. To me it seems like there is no downside which is why I am fine with that type of strategy post. I also like how he just calms down the argument between hz, WoS, Onegu since it seems like scum would want more useless arguments happening in the game and would have just let it continue. He hasn't really offered much of his reads so far in the game but I do think that what he has done so far seems more in favor of town play then scum play.

As I have mentioned before, after Syl's first response to me I didn't really see anything scummy in it and so I put him back in null.
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On November 04 2013 19:28 Sylencia wrote:
Options 1/2 about strategy are fairly weak, as I mentioned above, there are biggest fish to fry than foiling strategies most of the time when playing scum (honestly, if scum timezones dont match up good luck with getting anywhere on that, but that's outside the scope of our investigations anyways), and I would've thought that discussing strategy would be a good thing since we can actually get an agreement on some things we should(n't) do, since we've already seen (from you nonetheless) that there are problems in the reveal at night X+1 strategy. Had we not discussed this, someone could've followed the train of thought that we've discussed and just gone through with it without thinking about the fact that scum can possibly realise they've been voted for again the following day.

This is what makes me lean from null to slightly town. Even tho I show a clear flaw in the plan he still sticks to it and if I'm understanding him correctly, it seems that had I not pointed out the flaw it would have been a greater benefit for town than for scum. Although I disagree with the idea, he doesn't change his case even after evidence has been shown why it might be a bad idea and isn't afraid to stand by his motion.

Everybody that I have not mentioned I have a null read on.

Kosher to me, you're clear for now.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
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