##Vote: Balla
Might as well get the vote in now since we know he'll be scum huehuehue
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##Vote: Balla Might as well get the vote in now since we know he'll be scum huehuehue | ||
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On October 23 2013 12:37 nyxnyxnyx wrote: /in sorry bout last game. i think i understand now why not talking is bad. no one told me there was a baseline to compare to! i've since read some of the stickied guides and posts and hope i can play slightly better now as whichever side. No worries dude, like I said, I totally felt the same way my first game. | ||
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On October 23 2013 23:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Really glad to see so many of the people from last game looking to improve, trying again and attempting to put what they've learned into practice. You guys will be great additions once you 'graduate. ' Really excited to play with/against you! /coach if necessary. + Show Spoiler + Obzy will you gain the confidence from this to play more often? I hope so. My themed is coming up, Umasi is helping and its gonna be gud!! That theme game is the main reason I'm here lol. | ||
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On October 30 2013 09:14 StorrZerg wrote: lets get things started Majority to lynch guys. we need to be pretty active, and decisive on our votes. im fine with lynching lurkers day 1 I'm hope we are luckier with the lurkers this game (as in there are few or none), the last couple times the lurkers have just ended up being town players that didn't have much time to commit to the game :/ Majority lynch is different from the last couple games too. I agree though, it's going to require us to stay active since getting a group consensus is actually more important this time around. | ||
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On October 30 2013 11:29 JonnyLaw wrote: I'll be out for a couple hours but I'll check the thread before I head to sleep. I don't want to clog up the thread with useless posts. I like storr's abrasiveness early. It moves our discussion along. I want to hear the response to balla's question. Looking at the TL profiles nyxnyxnyx is the only player clearly marked outside of North America. Make your presence known here town. Otherwise you're going to end up lynched and that's not a great start to the game. Exactly. There's a difference between posting useful short posts and just spam. I mean, I hope we can avoid long dead periods, but if there's some downtime it's not the end of the world. I like this discussion about Balla's post way more than the last two games that have just been rehashes about lynching lurkers. | ||
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On October 31 2013 00:56 Obzy wrote: I could kill almost anyone in this game atm. As an aside, morning all - I'm working for the next 8ish hours so my responses may be frequent or nonexistent depending on how busy my day is. (This will be the same for all weekdays) Jonny, I agree with some of your points about Van - why do you bring up Poofter at the end, though? It seems unrelated to the rest of your case. Although I'd love to just continue calling out all the lurkers, at the moment; ##Unvote ##Vote: nyxnyxnyx For having only one post, coming in with a "well, I said I'd make some reads" and saying "I think that the people that are receiving attention are scummy too!" says practically nothing. I also, although I'd much rather not kill him today, think Storr's post here is interesting in that it doesn't talk about nyx at all, when nyx showed up to post literally exactly what he apparently doesn't want the non-posting (lurkers?) to do. I'm hoping nyx has more to say, he had trouble getting going last game so I hope if he's town he can build a better case for himself this time. A agree with most people that cake has seemed sort of scummy. His semantic argument of "defending" Balla sort of clogged up the thread, but at least he's staying something. Really want to hear from the rest of the lurkers. | ||
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On October 31 2013 01:46 StorrZerg wrote: id perfer if people not explain why they are inactive becuase of x reason irl. we all have a life outside of this game. so next time someone says rl as an exuse for not posting content or lack of posts ill just call bs now. i still think we have a few who have yet to post. plz post. july's post was ok, but if this is your style of play, 1 post evey 12 hours. your really gonna have to make those 4 posts count to not get lynched. That seems...very aggro. I don't think there's anything wrong with giving people a heads up if you're going to be MIA. I mean I guess scum could hide behind those sort of posts, but just just putting a blanket out there that all MIA warnings are scummy seems weird to be. | ||
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July - He played a very aggro game last time too so none of his comments seem out of character. He was SK last game, but that didn't stop him from playing in a way that didn't preserve his well being. I want to see how his posts develop but his current comments might not seem as scum as a lot of people are making them out to be cake - biggest scum read (not original, but it's how I feel) A large portion of his posts have been spent defending himself and they have been incredibly wordy and not include a lot of semantics. I also I'm not sold on the tehpoofter scum read. He's been a little inconsistent, but nothing super scummy in my eyes. | ||
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In regards to July, I guess we just disagree on a fundamental level about past game meta. I expect July to play a pretty similar style of game no matter his allegiance. I'm by no means saying not to worry about him, but that early mafia reads might just be a result of his combative nature which would be present regardless of whether he's town, SK, or mafia. | ||
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e00: I'm especially leaning towards this vote since I know I'm going to be afk. He's been under suspicion for a large part of the game and hasn't done anything to really make me feel he is actually town. I feel this is a safe vote since a lot of other people feel he is scummy, and come vote time if he doesn't make a defense I can see him getting lynched Storr: A little more of a leap of faith here since he doesn't have a lot votes at the moment, but I don't think he's a bad target. Promised to talk about cake and then just sort of disappeared for while. I know I let him fly under my radar a little bit, but looking back at his filter it's pretty heavy with discussion about the meta and not actual play. Like I said before, i was guilty of this as well, but I tried to change up my play. I don't see that from him. Those are the main two I'm comfortable with, but I'm gonna reread some more and see what other people have to say. Still got an hour or so before I have to leave. | ||
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Just throwing this out here for now. I think it's my safest vote since I know I'm leaving soon. Storr is at least around so he might make a defense. Still around a rereading though so nothing is final until I leave for work. | ||
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On November 01 2013 04:43 Balla24 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2013 04:24 onlywonderboy wrote: Alright, I'm leaving for work and nothing else has came up so I'm leaving my vote as it stands. This is scummy... you said you were going to read up and consider what others are saying yet you did neither.. just pointing this out. Really don't like this. I did reread the thread and read every new post up until I had to leave, but neither changed my mind. I still stand by my vote on e00 based on the fact I knew I wasn't going to be around for the deadline. I didn't simply want to abstain from voting and I felt comfortable leaving it on him. I couldn't possibly account for the discussion that was going to occur around the deadline so I went with the person who I thought was possibly scum at the time and had a chance of actually getting lynched. I'm surprised July got lynched. I knew some people were not happy with his play style, but I thought for sure enough people just chalked that up to bad town play and he wouldn't actually get the majority. I'm caught up on the thread but haven't had a chance to reread it and actually do any sort of analysis. Need to reread the Odin, Johnny, and Balla argument more closely. The end of the night will also give us some new information to work with depending on who the mafia target and if we actually have an SK or not. Unfortunately I work tomorrow morning so I'll be gone for a bit again. I should be around more this weekend though at least during the day time. | ||
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In regards to Vonith, he has been mentioned a few times but never really put forward as a scum candidate. I realize I haven't been the most active poster, but Vonthin has managed even less content and less pro town information. He pushed e00 when he was the main lunch target but then suddenly changed his mind and decides he "wasn't the best target." This was right before the vote train on July had started on July. I realize Vonith had mentioned July as a scum candidate, but his read didn't say anything else that hadn't been said already. All that means is that he was comfortable joining the July train. Then he said he wasn't to hear from Odin before the July lunch through. Seems like he would have been totally okay jumping on that train as well had it gotten going. So Vonith has sheeped on almost every read and hasn't contributed any original content. Seems pretty scummy to me. | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:08 StorrZerg wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2013 04:49 Vonthin wrote: What are your thoughts on OWB and Poofter currently Just read his OWB filter. Has yet to post today as well OWB i'd lynch him today. Defends Nyx for bad reasons imo on day 1. So maybe they are linked. Votes of him and Nyx kinda link up on E00e. However Show nested quote + On November 02 2013 04:52 onlywonderboy wrote: I know Balla just said to stay focused, but I want to make sure we don't let Vonthin slide under the radar here. We have plenty of time before the next lynch so we can focus really heavily after Day 2 starts In regards to Vonith, he has been mentioned a few times but never really put forward as a scum candidate. I realize I haven't been the most active poster, but Vonthin has managed even less content and less pro town information. He pushed e00 when he was the main lunch target but then suddenly changed his mind and decides he "wasn't the best target." This was right before the vote train on July had started on July. I realize Vonith had mentioned July as a scum candidate, but his read didn't say anything else that hadn't been said already. All that means is that he was comfortable joining the July train. Then he said he wasn't to hear from Odin before the July lunch through. Seems like he would have been totally okay jumping on that train as well had it gotten going. So Vonith has sheeped on almost every read and hasn't contributed any original content. Seems pretty scummy to me. That being said, i do like this post. The intentions behind it. I've been busier than expected so I just got around to catching up on the thread. Gotta take care of few errands but I wanna address Vonith's more recent posts in regards to my scum read on him. Shouldn't be too long. | ||
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Reading his most recent posts I still think he's scum. He finally started talking after I called him out, but I don't like what I'm reading. His case against me feels so forced and he's focusing on me because I'm the one who called him out. His filter is just as small as mine but I feel like he hasn't contributed much in those posts and is just trying to blend in I'll admit I was playing pretty conservatively, I'm bad at not wanting to step on peoples toes, but I was trying to fix this by calling him out and starting new discussion. He ignored this right up until the end of his post, instead going back and picking apart all of my old posts in a very long winded post that didn't bring any real new information to light. Another part I took issue with He comes back and responds after being called out by Balla about leaving the vote on E00e. He says he didn't want to not vote and felt e00e was a safe vote, never says any reason why it was a safe vote again, when someone asks him about that he says he gave his reasons on e00e in that earlier post. In that earlier post all he says he feels like its a good vote because he under suspicion and that he hasn't done anything to make me feel like he is town. I just can't accept this as a answer for leaving a vote on someone. I think I explained my case about e00 pretty well. There are a lot of uncertainties surrounding the day 1 lynch. More times than not they come down to hunches rather than hard facts just because there is so much less information to work with. e00 was playing in a way that wasn't directly benefiting town and I thought there was a chance he was scum. I knew there was going to be a lot of discussion near the deadline I was going to miss so I left my vote on him because I was comfortable lynching him if the rest of the town wanted to, and since we needed to get a majority vote I didn't want my vote to go to waste. It seems like a reach to call me out on this when it seems like a perfectly reasonable town play. He's been more active recently, but I think there's a chance he's a scum who knows he needs to work his ass off to try and turn the suspicion away from him. We'll see how the discussion goes down around deadline, but for the moment ##Vote: Vonthin | ||
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On November 04 2013 06:35 Balla24 wrote: Also I guess I should vote Jonny if I follow this town's trend of voting people who are accusing them... jesus -_- I made my post calling out Von first, I'm just following up on that. Him accusing me is not the sole reason I'm voting him. I made my case. | ||
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On November 04 2013 06:46 JonnyLaw wrote: Owb you really should look at poofter. He's scummier to me at this point. I'd rather stay with him than move onto Von, but if it's an option that will go through I'm okay with that idea. @storr that's a great point about nyx but he's been getting that pressure all game. Do you think he's playing differently since the start? Hmm alright then, I'll go back and reread his filter. Von stood out to me more but I won't count out poofter. | ||
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On November 04 2013 07:29 Vonthin wrote: Even after OWB most recent posts I still think he is a good candidate for a lynch today. Show nested quote + I think I explained my case about e00 pretty well. There are a lot of uncertainties surrounding the day 1 lynch. More times than not they come down to hunches rather than hard facts just because there is so much less information to work with. e00 was playing in a way that wasn't directly benefiting town and I thought there was a chance he was scum. You did not explain your case about e00 pretty well. All you said was is that he is under suspicion from other people and then a feeling about him. That is not a strong case, that is just plain sheeping. You do not give any explanations about the vote at all. I would not have been mad if you actually made an explanation and had good reasoning and then left the vote on him. Show nested quote + He's been more active recently, but I think there's a chance he's a scum who knows he needs to work his ass off to try and turn the suspicion away from him. We'll see how the discussion goes down around deadline, but for the moment What the fuck am I supposed to do about this? If I got called out for not posting enough do you just expect me to not post anything and continue being a dead weight to town like you are currently? You still haven't done anything all game besides besides just sheep on the e00e vote and call out lurkers when you are a lurker yourself. When you do start posting again you call me scum for weak reasoning mainly because I am the most vocal about you. You have made 0 reads on other people and are just trying to hop on my vote after Balla voted for me. I don't know that to tell you about the e00 vote. It's day 1, of course a lot of the votes are going to just come down to suspicions rather than hard facts. Balla even said the vote itself was a good town play despite not liking how I left the thread.. I also don't know how you can claim I'm jumping on voting for you just because Balla started it. I made my post calling you yesterday, I had you pegged as scum then even though I didn't put my official vote in. | ||
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On November 04 2013 09:46 StorrZerg wrote: What about myself? or Cake? (the only other 2 you could vote for that have votes on them) I was still hoping there was a chance people switching over to Von. I kinda tunneled visioned on him and didn't really have solid cases for other players. | ||
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On November 05 2013 04:18 Balla24 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 05 2013 04:14 onlywonderboy wrote: Fuck. I know I've been playing like shit this game. Not trying to make excuses, but this has been by far the busiest I've been during a mafia game. I tried to contribute by focusing on Von, but I put all my eggs in one basket and didn't move onto other reads when I realized people weren't interested in voting Von day 2. I know I've made a lot of weak promises this game, but I hope I can find time to make some posts and participate in the discussion so I can better help the town with day 3 and of course prove my innocence. Bullshit. Start now. I didn't mean I was going to wait until day 3, poor choice of words. I'm working on reading filters right now. Gotta go to class but I can probably post during it. I just figured I needed to make my presense known since I was coming under fire. | ||
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On November 05 2013 07:03 Balla24 wrote: I don't really understand why you're interested in the answer? Seems like you want me to defend you... I've made my case on both of you previously. You can decide why on your own... Sorry, I really don't feel comfortable answering that Q. Alright, that's fine. I guess I just couldn't figure out the distinction on why you feel Von is a better target. @Johnny Yeah l"m gonna update my case on Von | ||
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In regards to his votes, he voted poof while he was missing, then switched to me, and then went right back to poof after he failed to come up with a good argument (and was likely to get lynched). I think it's likely that Von went for the team kill in order to establish his place as a "town" member. Especially if poof was actually afk and communication between scum players broke down. | ||
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I wonder what the hell the blue roles for this game even are. Johnny was a solid choice for a medic save, although I suppose Balla was also a potential target so they might have tried to save him. Ball and Storr probably aren't blue, so all of our blue power lies in our lurkers. I guess that's good because they aren't being targeted, but it sucks we aren't getting any blue information. | ||
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But at some point I'm hoping for blue roles to make some sort of contribution to having a concrete idea of who is scum. Although maybe it's better for them to sit on this information and save it for a more critical point of the game. | ||
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On November 05 2013 10:27 Balla24 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 05 2013 10:24 onlywonderboy wrote: I saw he flipped town and that's the first thing that came to mind. I don't see how having two hours to think it over really changes anything. I had a thought come to mind and decided I should post it since I was getting so much shit for not talking. understandable.... 2 hours gives time for claims... not everyone is around for deadline... especially not lynch deadline Can you elaborate on this? I can't tell if you're being serious. I mean there is a lot that can happen in two hours, but I wanted to make sure I posted my thoughts since I had a chance to give my original opinion on something. There's been a lot of times in my thread where I've been so far behind it's been hard to come up with new reads and not just seem like I'm sheeping because other people have already stated most of my opinions. | ||
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Nothing really new to bring to the table in regards to Storr's scumminess, plenty of other people have already made their cases. Especially his recent tendency to keep repeating it's gonna look bad if I flip town. Seems like he wants to plant that in our minds so when I flip town he can say "SEE LOOK IT KNOW IT WOULD LOOK BAD." There's no reason for this pre defense unless he already knows what's going to happen. | ||
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On November 07 2013 03:25 Balla24 wrote: That's a really weak defense of yourself OWB... relying on Storr's possible "information bias" as your ONLY defense is really bad. Not only that but it comes RIGHT after I've been beating up Storr about it as if you were waiting to see what came out of that discussion.. lol it's all I got. Storr told me to skip the part where I talk about being busy because I've done that all game long, and despite it being true he's right, it doesn't help my case. I can't defend myself well because I played like shit. It's hard to post original content when I come back to the thread and things I think on my own have already been said by someone else. Should have just not said anything I guess. | ||
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On November 07 2013 10:04 Balla24 wrote: Sorry OWB but you could have gotten out of that. No effort T_T What could have I done? I ended up being quiet so I didn't incriminate Odin, but that didn't really help much lol On November 08 2013 10:22 Vonthin wrote: Its sorta obvious that I am cop after I went from Null read on OWB to going hard on him start of Day 2 even If I am lying you lynch my right away so you win That makes a ton of sense. Explains why you were so aggro when I pushed you. Just so happened you were the cop, that was just random. On November 05 2013 04:23 cakemanofdoom wrote: Man... owb hasn't done much of anything. Plenty of posting how he thinks the game should be played, but not much forming opinions on specific people. From what I can tell, he makes a few inconclusive reads, and then goes on to tunnel Vonthin for the rest of the game. Making some extra random posts here and there. His cases on Vonthin aren't bad, but if Vonthin's town then it could just be finding a lurker, deciding he's an easy target, and sticking with it to stay consistent. On his own play alone... he looks scummy. I've said this before, but decided to revisit him since it's been a while, and now I realize he posted almost nothing since then. If there were more potential scum left I'd be very comfortable lynching him; still think he's a fairly reasonable lynch. I'll get to looking at pairs when I find time to do so. It'll probably be sometime after day 3 starts. Read like a fucking book. Also Balla, how do I mafia? lol. But for real, do you have experience on forum mafia on another website? Cause these have been my legit first three games and I feel so behind the curve. Edit On November 08 2013 11:50 cakemanofdoom wrote: coaching qt with Mattchew: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/gA5BjwKEXfQn Thanks for the help. Still not sure why VE popped in there with advice to play a doctor. gg all, nice try mafia. Seems like rl made you all too busy to win haha. Yeah, irl fucked both poof and I pretty hard lol. | ||
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On November 08 2013 12:32 Balla24 wrote: @OWB just never give up... the train got started on you early enough that you could have posted tons and acted like town. Give some fake reasoning on why you didn't switch to poofter (recommendation: when you say you read someone's filter, READ THEIR FILTER, even if they are on your team, it helps when you need to post something you can post a soft-defense of them, soft-accusation anything like that, counter someone's point whatever...) NEVER GIVE UP as mafia. Even when a scary town is pushing you. Attack the weak points, give reasoning about other things, admit "mistakes" when you can't really give reasoning and say what you should have done instead. Try to buddy up with someone who knows you and is thus more likely to write you off. Also, defend yourself and bring up a COUNTER-TARGET always, try to direct town, look at how storr was doing this constantly as town, scum should do this too. Do not tunnel. It's bad as town right? So why do it as mafia... anyways NEVER GIVE UP. Nah these were my first games too, only experience I have with mafia is sc2mafia (completely useless garbage piece of shit) and watching eSports Mafia with StorrZerg and Koibu and people from this forum. You just have to be more confident. Damn...that makes me feel really shitty. I suck at this game T_T | ||
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