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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 01 2013 02:04 GMT
#671
Van, I appreciate the effort, but everything you said except for the last two sentences is irrelevant. You effectively said "Scum consists of 2-4 people that aren't modconfirmed, and I think that we should think about lynching out of that group of 11."
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 01 2013 04:45 GMT
#689
On November 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote:No one else has brought a case against a player then entire game except "he's not saying a lot."


o/ he's a dick, would lynch d2
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 01 2013 04:46 GMT
#691
except seriously jonny, i really don't care what you say about how it's my fault. i'm cool with that :l like, my bad, right? but it doesn't really change anything. At the moment, you actually would be my preferred lynch unless someone can convince me otherwise.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 01 2013 05:13 GMT
#699
Hmmm. Sure. I don't have a very intellectual read on Jonny besides what I've posted, but he seems to play really emotionally, and has tended to deflect blame/level criticism at anybody that accuses him. Read: Odin, Balla, me, maybe others. I don't really know if that's a townier or scummier thing to do, though. Frankly, I do agree with what Vanesco just said -sec
On November 01 2013 13:34 Vanesco wrote:
I think that the reason why I would July over Odin lynch is that July didn't really do anything and once a little pressure was put on him he folded and gave up. He would be a really easy player for the mafia to manipulate later on and could end up being a detriment to the town. If Odin is mafia then obviously a lynch on him would have been better, but if he is town, then his loss to town would be much worse than July's since Odin at least seems to have some sort of an opinion (be it that he may put stuff out there very aggressively). I would like to hear more reasons on why you think Odin was the correct lynch for day 1.

The way that July was playing, I don't think it could've been reasonably predicted that he was just a bad townie, because when the tells are "he hasn't contributed reads at all, with the single exception of the following":
On November 01 2013 03:18 July617 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 03:09 Balla24 wrote:
July, what do you think about Jonnylaw?


He's acting allot like Sagaz did in our last game and Sagaz turned out to be mafia, he's really agro for no apparent reason, attacking nyx mostly in his filter on page 2 and then grasping for straws on page 3 . Suspicious yes, either way whoever dies tonight we'll see what they flip whether they be town / mafia / or blue, I honestly feel like we're going in circles here, I'd like to just lynch and be done with it and see what happens day 2. I don't think we're going to get anything more from today, not unless someone screws up and slips .

I don't think it's very reasonable to assume that he was naturally going to flip town, as you seem to have known. Similarly, I took issue with the way that you defended him (as referenced in multiple posts that I made), and how you immediately turned on Balla (and myself ^_^ I hate getting yelled at ) after the mislynch - that, theoretically, was not your fault whatsoever - because we had leveled blame at you. Although a bit of my criticism towards you is just because you're sorta being rude to me, that comes across in tone, not in the actual important parts of my posts lol. - -; I think you're objectively scummy at this point, and would like to see your answer to Van's question - Under the assumption that Odin would flip town, which you seem to have suddenly agreed with immediately after the lynch, why would lynching Odin have been a better move than lynching July?

Apologies for getting a little peeved, as an aside ^_^;;;
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 01 2013 17:49 GMT
#749
This will be sort of a short post, having difficulties solidifying stuff but wanted to share some thoughts haha.

So I was feeling a little better about E00e (and then he just posted, right before I started this) - His filter just looks like it's not really doing much, but he isn't being purposelessly obstructive or avoiding conversation, just not saying a lot. Looking forward to seeing him continue chatting with Balla as you guys are doing currently so keep it up lol.

I really dunno about Jonny. I think he's scummy, but I'm not sure if he's worth lynching tomorrow over somebody else, since we still have a number of lurkers. I was starting to put together a post pointing at Vonthin, but his filter actually read sort of townie to me, and I could understand where he drew his reads from in this post - particularly with regards to OWB, who I'd also been uncertain of. OWB's behavior did pick up prior to Von's little list of reads, and the rest of his reads at that time (other than Poofter who I've sorta been ignoring for some reason) were about what I also thought at the time, although Jonny has changed since then. I don't like how he's been absent for awhile though, given that I noticed him posting in another thread (which is why I decided to start looking into this game a bit more in the first place xD)

Owb doesn't really seem towny or scummy, he just seems absent. I don't really have a solid read on him atm, if his behavior does not pick up over the weekend, he's definitely worth lynching just for being a lurker... but until then, his participation rhythm (as it were) seems legitimate enough.

Atm I'm most interested in hearing opinions on Poofter (since I apparently am so darn lazy I can't develop them myself... I seem to do anything but.)
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 01 2013 23:21 GMT
#759
I don't have much time and only just opened this and saw the last post lol. Balla's list looks pretty close to what I'm thinking, although I'm less certain on Von being scum, and would rather tilt Jonny more towards scum.

And anybody that thinks Balla is scum is delusional.

Certainly, looking towards poofter, storr, and jonny for tomorrow's lynch is what I would feel most comfortable doing right now.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 00:20 GMT
#772
Imo Van almost certainly got killed because scum were trying to bluesnipe. Storr, why did you come to the same conclusion?
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 00:32 GMT
#774
For the moment though, ##Vote JonnyLaw

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 01 2013 15:08 Vanesco wrote:
I started writing this when the last post was nyx's on page 36, so I apologize if some things are not relevant anymore.

I don't like how you are (nyx) picking at the way that storr has been formatting his opinion. This is the third time he has formatted that way (cake, july, and now you). I and many others have made long posts, does that make us automatically scum?

Anyways nyx, we are trying to currently talk about Jonny and you end up jumping on storr at this moment and redirecting. Could you have waited a bit? (rhetorical question)

On the topic of Jonny, I really did not like his early game at all. He came out with a weak accusation on me (which was a complete grab at something non-existent and I shot down every point he made). He also tags thepoofter at the very end because my thought process agreed with him on one thing. He then says he likes cakeman's posts but only those that address me or poofter. He then says he will get back to me and poofter in a minute and nothing happens.

He then changes the subject on July and E00e. He then says that he is not sold on me but "whatever". That just seems like he doesn't want to push me because many people have commented back on him and he was in the questioning spotlight for a while. He seemed to back of just for the purpose of not being targeted anymore and instead went for 2 lurkers so that he would be safe for a while.

Later Jonny says that he is against lynching odin, but is ok with July/E00e/nyx. Most of those were lurkers at the time but why not Odin. He literally posted nothing up till that point but yet you protect him? Makes no sense.

He has been heavy on poofter since the get-go without ever giving actual reads on why he thinks poofter is scum. Now that I look at it more closely, poofter has been on cakeman's case and just a few posts ago cakeman said he still doesn't like poofter. I see no reason why Jonny has been so heavy on poofter but now I see that poofter was pretty aggressive on cake so maybe he is trying to deflect off of cake and onto poofter.

He makes a post with a "formatting error" and then comes back 30 minutes later that he had JUST caught up when he was in the forums at least 30 min beforehand at least. I just get weird vibes from that.

He then goes on Odin and saying that he was spamming when in fact both of them were arguing and spamming.

Again later he says he will vote poofter if there will be majority. Afraid to vote and be called out again? Seems like now he just wants to blend in.

Later on he agrees that his accusation on my was poor but "at least it got a discussion". Well if it was poor then why were you so hesitant to drop it?

Later on he agrees with cakeman, who he has been the player that poofter didn't like early game. He keeps defending cakeman further saying that we only looked at the bad post on the first page. He also says "Odin coming in throwing out names and then voting cakeman who will not be lynched". He seems fairly confident that cakeman won't be lynched.

Later on he comes out with this post
Show nested quote +
I really wanted to push poofter into posting and see what he said about my post on Van.

That's why I included him at the end of the post. Poofter was always the guy I wanted pressure but I thought doing it by pressuring van could be more effective. He did respond. Then I made my case on him, which I stand by. I do not think I could get poofter lynched day 1 and still do not.

There are so many wrong things its hard to begin. You were pressuring me is basically your way of saying you tried to jump on me, town jumped on you instead and then you backed off. If you wanted to pressure poofter then do that, not somebody else. That is probably one of the most worst ways to ever pressure someone. If you did not think you could lynch poofter day 1 then why go on him with no reads given so far on him in the game. Seems like your waiting for him to tell you things instead of having your own actual reads.

Jonny is also the first one to find that cakeman is listed twice. A strange coincidence to me.

After that he keeps wanting an Odin lynch all the way until this very post. The only thing he has said about Odin is about him his lies of how many times he has read the thread. Those are not even really too relevant to the game. It is probably one of the weakest points you can make on Odin being scummy.

OVERALL:
Jonny is reading super scummy to me. None of his people he has had major reads on which are myself, poofter, and Odin have any good accusations and seem to be reaching. Also it seems like a pattern of Jonny defending cakeman has come up WAY to many times. I would say I think Jonny is a strong scum read for me atm with cakeman as his partner, but I would have to review cakeman's play 1 more time before feeling completely confident in adding him in with Jonny.


+ Show Spoiler +
On November 01 2013 03:18 July617 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 03:09 Balla24 wrote:
July, what do you think about Jonnylaw?


He's acting allot like Sagaz did in our last game and Sagaz turned out to be mafia, he's really agro for no apparent reason, attacking nyx mostly in his filter on page 2 and then grasping for straws on page 3 . Suspicious yes, either way whoever dies tonight we'll see what they flip whether they be town / mafia / or blue, I honestly feel like we're going in circles here, I'd like to just lynch and be done with it and see what happens day 2. I don't think we're going to get anything more from today, not unless someone screws up and slips .


+ Show Spoiler +
On November 01 2013 14:13 Obzy wrote:
(Note: this is re: July) -
I don't think it's very reasonable to assume that he was naturally going to flip town, as you seem to have known. Similarly, I took issue with the way that you defended him (as referenced in multiple posts that I made), and how you immediately turned on Balla (and myself ^_^ I hate getting yelled at ) after the mislynch - that, theoretically, was not your fault whatsoever - because we had leveled blame at you. Although a bit of my criticism towards you is just because you're sorta being rude to me, that comes across in tone, not in the actual important parts of my posts lol. - -; I think you're objectively scummy at this point, and would like to see your answer to Van's question - Under the assumption that Odin would flip town, which you seem to have suddenly agreed with immediately after the lynch, why would lynching Odin have been a better move than lynching July?


He never answered Van's question, I've been pointing at him for a little while now it seems like, he was Van's scumread, and July posted a minicase on him calling him scummy.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 02:44 GMT
#795
On November 02 2013 10:27 StorrZerg wrote:
Yeah, after reading the filter i personally didn't feel anything "blue" about him. He read as a strong town that was actively pushing objectives. I'm not advocating we follow his dieing words exactly, but i think its a great start to how we should look to pressure today.

also imo
posting a list of the names, and "town" or "scum" "idk" with out any reasons isn't necessarily good thing. it really doesn't help town and its pretty easy to do as mafia, and kind of "slide" with "lists"

if you are going to give a list, a sentence or two on each person would really be beneficial


Agreed somewhat - but I think the reason people don't like list posts is because it's a way to pretend to contribute without actually giving any meaningful information. I'm confirmed town, Balla has given quite a large amount of information already.. Vonthin's list is a little sketchier.

Regarding Van being blue - I assumed that he was due to this post here, where he assumes that there cannot be merely 2 mafia alone - if only one non-T was rolled, we could have just two mafia. Since I'm M, unless he was blue or scum, he couldn't have known that there weren't two mafia. (it was probably just a miscalculation ^^ but I didn't want to draw attention to it in case he was blue slipping.)

If Van wasn't a bluesnipe, then I'd naturally conclude that he was acting in a townie manner and/or was on the right track [both of which I currently think are somewhat true, at least.]

+ Show Spoiler +
Also, Jonny is being a little bitch and I'm not going to move my vote off of him no matter what out of pure spite I don't really give a shit. Fuck you- being abrasive to some people and then being like "Well I guess I'm being sort of abrasive but I'm still right" - if you aren't mafia this is ridiculous behavior IMO and I hope you don't play on these forums again, I hate watching people like you. Fortunately, I think you're mafia, so it's a little more bearable, but... Hmph. whatever i wrote it i don't really know if i'll stick with it but i'd like to post it because seriously i can't stand getting flamed and if you're going to flame me then please stop it.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 02:49 GMT
#796
On November 02 2013 11:08 JonnyLaw wrote:
@obzy Oh yeah, why do you say that it's scummy for me to want E00e before July? E00e called out odin hard and fast. If he's scum odin isn't. It's simple. Sure I think Odin is scummy but again it's not 100% certain especially on day 1. At least there's easy info to be gained. They were both just clearly superior lynches and you were the deciding factor in getting july lynched.

On October 31 2013 21:04 E00e wrote:
If only my opinion mattered I would lynch Odin now. A lot of their posts seem so much over the top and look like how I imagine someone very nervous in a real conversation. Also I dont like some of their posts that just distract.
This is not a super strong mafia read and I know we have to get a majority and I will most likely be able to be reading the thread near the deadline

Btw I cant help but read Odin's post where every new sentence is a new line like poem and it makes them sound funny in my head.


"hard and fast."
?? I don't get it. This feels like a very light accusation. I mean, the very first thing in E00e's filter is calling you out -
On October 31 2013 00:58 E00e wrote:
I dont agree with JonnyLaw about Vanesco at all. Jonnys' accusations seem forced and I dont feel bad about Vanesco.

I agree with the scummy things about cakeman.

I wonder why Jonny said that a plan to catch scum should be formed but then did not try to form a plan.

I dont like people saying they are town as it is obvious why everyone would say that and nothing is gained from saying it in a written game.

Off topic: What is mafia daily and where do I find it?

Somehow, this doesn't apply, it's only because of an incredibly weak connection with Odin. Reaching at best. Lazy at worst. Regardless, it's not a good connection, and you've brought it up multiple times; and I think I even answered it already.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 02:57 GMT
#800
You're interpreting it as "E00e cannot possibly be scum with Odin, look at this vote!", when it looks like E00e's making a vote because he doesn't have a better read.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 03:03 GMT
#802
On November 02 2013 11:03 JonnyLaw wrote:@Van's post. His analysis is terrible. If you want to pressure a pair of people it's much easier to link them together and see what the reaction is in order to not create as much of a defensive vibe. Going straight and saying you're scum makes them consider their actions before posting much more than they would otherwise. I don't get how you guys cannot see this.


If his analysis is terrible, and he wasn't bluesniped, then why was he killed over me or Balla? Your response to me would be "because you're being a dumbshit and attacking me, a mislynch, derp derp", but why in the world would they kill him over Balla if they didn't think he was blue?

Actually that's fucking stupid. They roleblocked Balla and killed Van, even if he was getting bluesniped, they could've just done it the opposite way around, so his analysis clearly had merit. Your statements are outright false.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 03:06 GMT
#804
People have called you scum because you're an obnoxious loud asshole individual who is hard to get along with at times, with bad analysis controversial opinions who has made significant errors in logic, not because you've been active and aggressive. For a number of people in this game, I've read posts and had an opinion on it, and begun to put together a post- then refreshed the page before posting and saw that somebody else had already posted a reaction very similar to mine. My huge townread on Balla is for a variety of reasons, but that is probably the #1 thing that he's done a LOT. You? Haven't.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 05:44 GMT
#828
Ho hum. Kinda busy tonight, but please disregard the spoilered part of my post a few hours ago. I'll try to keep an open mind, and do some reading tomorrow.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 19:54 GMT
#869
I think it's reasonable to assume it's a mafia RB, because town would only RB Balla if they were reading him as mafia, which - to my understanding - wasn't happening.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 02 2013 20:30 GMT
#883
Re: Roleblock - It's safe to assume that it was a mafia RB because everyone is reading Balla as town, and even if somebody wasn't, there would be better (scummier) targets anyways. If you want to doubt that, I'd find it more plausible that the mafia team chose not to RB anybody so Balla could fakeclaim - rather than a town member RB'd him by chance, and he also, by chance, happens to be mafia; and mafia had specifically not used their RB, assuming they had one.

One of those scenarios is a lot simpler than the others.

Jonny, I apologize for flipping out at you. I do think you're still scummier than not, but I'm not sure how much of my conviction comes from just being upset, and how much comes from careful analysis. Right now, the only reason I'm even having second thoughts is because you've been going around making everybody mad, which shows a serious lack of consideration for personal safety lol. I'm not sure if if would necessarily make sense from a mafia point of view to piss everybody off. + Show Spoiler +
Although for me specifically, it might make sense because I turn red like a cartoon character with rage and stop paying attention... though if you were mafia, doing this to get me to OMGUS you immediately and peace out makes no sense either.


Balla, calm down ^_^ I don't think Storr was seriously considering lynching you, just trying to point out to Jonny that 'in general, it's not worth speculating about right now.'

I haven't seen much from owb/poofter recently.. Sort of is bothering me.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 03 2013 04:15 GMT
#930
On November 03 2013 11:08 Balla24 wrote:
Jonny/Obzy, I have an interesting question for you guys:

If you were mafia who would you be pushing for right now?

For me:

I would be pushing OWB lightly and then pushing E00 and Storr... (assuming everybody but yourself is town). Why? Because OWB is completely inactive when he said he would be, and E00 and Storr are playing weak towns which I would try to take advantage of.

What do you think?

Not sure how much I like this question, since it assumes we don't have any teammates/we are the last mafia alive. Who I pushed would be very dependent on things like that, although it's not like I have any idea what I'd do if I was mafia lol. I haven't really thought about things like that before, so...

Anyways, I was really expecting more from OWB today. My not paying much attention to him/giving him a small free pass has largely been contingent on proper activity this weekend, and it just didn't happen today. He posted a few times, saying "later, probably" - not good enough.

##Unvote
##Vote: Onlywonderboy


Frankly, the fact that he's easy to push doesn't really say a lot to me. I mean, if we wanted to target only people that were sort of #yoloing around, or people that were really difficult to push - aren't big contributors really difficult to push? -_- I just really dislike the question.

Sort of similarly, I'd rather not consider nyxnyxnyx as a vote contender today, since he sorta showed up, said his bit, and peaced out. Pretty sure this is a 100% reversal of my previous methodology, but whatever. I never claimed to be good. (Also, I sort of doubt his ridiculous QT mention was a tactic. It looked like such a townslip that yesterday as I was heading to bed, I was worried he was going to be modkilled by this morning.)

Secondary individuals I would be okay with lynching are... numerous, now that I've rewritten this a few times. Rather, I'm not interested in lynching Balla, Odin, nyxnyxnyx... not really up for lynching cake or Vonthin either. *Shrugs*

E00e, Poofter sorta disappeared I think, :l

I've talked about Jonny plenty already, I'd be fine with lynching him, but it'd be good if more objective individuals were to bring a case on him. I've written a lot about him already, you can just use my filter to find some of it - -;

I hated the way Storr was playing d1, I'm a little more okay with it so far today, although I haven't invested anywhere near the same amount of time and energy as I did on d1.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 03 2013 22:17 GMT
#1033
On November 04 2013 06:08 JonnyLaw wrote:
I'd rather lynch Von or Poofter as well. Nyx and owb have so little to go on right now. I'm really not buying that nyx is scum. Playing terribly. Sure.

I want to know if obzy will vote one of them. I'm not certain we can get 6 votes without him. I'm going to read their filters again before I decide where to place my vote. To be honest I'd vote storr as a last resort as well. He hasn't pushed the town in a direction that helps us much anyway.


I'm not really around, but I'll vote to ensure a lynch if we're only one away. I've basically lost confidence in my reads and don't want to throw wrenches into the plot at this point with my guesswork. Going by what I thought on day 1, Storr was my preferred lynch - night 1, jonny was my preferred lynch - day 2, I haven't really had a preferred lynch. Someone inactive seemed preferable.

Consider me willing to switch for majority, but I don't personally have a lot to say in the lead up, and there's no reason for me to contribute if I have nothing to say since I happened to roll IC, this is not something that applies to the rest of town, particularly those that haven't been very townie in the first place.

##Unvote

Onlywonderboy is basically playing exactly how I would expect from non-contributing scum - make excuses, then show up and drop a vote at the deadline. The problem is that he could also just be incredibly busy town that doesn't want to get modkilled, but at this point, doesn't want to re-read the entire game and start now. I don't know how to tell the difference, but it doesn't look like he's going to be the primary lynch target today anyways, so to reduce an amount of confusion, I'll unvote for the moment. It'll also force me to pay attention and consolidate later.

If anybody, for some reason, happens to have any direct questions for me, i'll try to answer haha.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 03 2013 23:40 GMT
#1070
##Vote: Tehpoofter

His voters consist of my town reads and Jonny, and my town reads are apparently comfortable being on the same lynch as Jonny, so so be it. I need to head out for a time, placing this vote for now in case I get into a traffic accident or something ridiculous prevents me from voting. If we decide to lynch owb instead, I am perfectly comfortable with that and if I get back in time and am necessary for a last minute switch, I'd do it.

Afk for now.
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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
November 04 2013 01:03 GMT
#1145
Cool, nj guys ^^
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