White Flag Mafia

On October 31 2013 08:16 Grackaroni wrote:

Typical smurf not caring about other smurfs.

On October 31 2013 10:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Let's kill the Oatsmaster.

##Vote: Oatsmaster

On October 31 2013 12:07 Pandain wrote:


What is Qatar like?

On October 31 2013 11:56 Grackaroni wrote:
I had planned to catch the Oatsmaster unawares and kill him before he knew what hit him. Then lynch Pandain Day2.

On October 31 2013 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:

I have come to the conclusion that this man is Palmar.
There will be no further questions!

On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:


As a conversation starter. Up until that point only little blue men were being discussed and I am unable to partake in that discussion to to my unfamiliarity with big green or red men. Obviously I did not think that Stutters' post gave a clue to his alignment, but I may not of conveyed the tone correctly.



Due to Stutters reply. As you begin to read his post he appears to care about what I said, then when you get to the end I realised that he does not care. There was no reason to continue that line of conversation with him and I had nothing that I wanted to post, so I decided to spare the poor tl.net servers the effort of adding another one of my posts for a short while.



But my post gave you something to post about and in turn gave me something to post about. Now I can wonder why you commented on my post twice even though that you thought my post had no purpose. You might be mafia looking for something to post about, but obviously this early in the game there is no real need for that. You may be town attempting to move a conversation forward. Or perhaps you genuinely thought I had a clue as to Stutter's alignment two hours into the game when only five people had posted, and felt the need to call me out on that. Either of those possibilities fit in with your second post.



The (rhetorical) question is: did you post that for the sake of posting something? Or did you post that hoping that I would reply directly to you? Or did you post that because when you were reading the thread for the first time you were already looking for scum, and my post was the only thing so far that looked like it might be scum?

I have no flipping idea, but less than five hours into the game and when I am tired, that's the best that I can do at the moment.



Oh, you wanted me to be less serious? Oops

On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:
I would think my chances of actually identifying scum on day one are less than 31%, therefore RNG would yield better results for me. Ofcourse, We would need to decide on who rolls the dice. How should we do that? I suggest we vote on it.

On October 31 2013 23:09 Grackaroni wrote:
You do realize you can't just lynch people because others support it right?

On October 31 2013 23:09 Grackaroni wrote:
The only reasoning you have given is that hzflank was the 3rd person to say yes to random lynch, thus he was pretending to agree with it to show that he is not afraid.

On November 01 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:
This whole game is lurkers lol

On November 01 2013 01:13 Grackaroni wrote:
That is the reason why statistically day 1 RNG lynches come out more successful than analysis.

On November 01 2013 01:13 Grackaroni wrote:

Because it can't be influenced by scum giving us good odds. That is the reason why statistically day 1 RNG lynches come out more successful than analysis.

On November 01 2013 02:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
How could anyone read this post and not think you were for random lynching?

And like, the way I see it, when there's something that people need to take a stance on, very rarely will all the scummies end up on the same side of the issue. So I think there's a real good chance that one of the pro-RNGers is scum.

On November 01 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really dont like that vote from JJD. He seems to want to vote Hzflank because other people also think he is scummy, caring more about the appearance of the vote more than voting for scum, as well as incidental totally useless stuff like

On November 01 2013 08:41 Grackaroni wrote:


Oats should know better. JJD's posting doesn't look like scum. he comes off as a bit anti-town but he hasn't been very careful at all.

On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote:


As a conversation starter.

I should also say that it was not meant offensively (towards Stutters) as I am not sure now as to whether I offended him.

On November 01 2013 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Scum are careful and more concerned about looking good. They pretty much never say, "Hey, I'm going to lynch this guy because other people are lynching him"

On September 16 2013 17:14 Grackaroni wrote:

Just what you think his alignment this game is and how you can tell. Every game I see someone talking about how Oats is the easiest player to read and I have absolutely no idea how to read him.

On November 01 2013 02:37 hzflank wrote:


Because the whole point of that was that I did not like the idea of random lynching because I was worried that scum might control the random.

On November 01 2013 04:08 hzflank wrote:


I suggested that we vote for someone so that we do not have to vote for someone. That is not a serious suggestion, that is me saying that I want to vote and not rng.

On November 01 2013 11:40 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't have a strong feel either way yet.

On November 01 2013 12:30 Grackaroni wrote:

I see JJD as very likely town. I see you jumping on lynch bait because JJD said that thing about others also supporting a hzflank lynch. I think it makes you scummy. That's about as far as it goes for me right now. maybe Pandain can elaborate on whatever he was saying.

On November 01 2013 13:47 Grackaroni wrote:
Do you think I'm scummy for pushing you?

On October 02 2013 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, Oats, you have to admit, it IS pretty weird that Risen hasn't been trying to convince me, right? Like, even drawing some weird unflipped associative tell shit you can't just go and say "I'm not going to try to convince BH, who's literally in the thread right now and rather influential as a town player, that HF is scum". You also have to admit, do you not, that given that holyflare IS LITERALLY A NEWBIE, it's possible he doesn't get what playing the newb card means? It's possible that yes, the reaction should be suspicion, but also an attempt to draw him into conversation? That not doing that is sub-optimal, and therefore scummy?

On October 03 2013 21:18 Clarity_nl wrote:


Like, why do I have to quote this post and ask you what you mean.
Why can't you just say what you mean, instead.

What do you mean?

On November 01 2013 12:30 Grackaroni wrote:

I see JJD as very likely town. I see you jumping on lynch bait because JJD said that thing about others also supporting a hzflank lynch. I think it makes you scummy. That's about as far as it goes for me right now. maybe Pandain can elaborate on whatever he was saying.

On November 01 2013 14:39 Grackaroni wrote:
How is my read bad exactly Oatsmaster? You eventually agreed scum would be more likely to attack JJD so that point must be valid. And rather than being honest you lied about being bad in order to discredit my case. Also discrediting me since you were calling me scum for saying JJD was town.

It also doesn't help that because one scum targeted you last game you OMGUS the two people to accuse you and throw out all of your previous notion on how scum players would interact with you.

On November 01 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote:
I've seen town Oats. Town Oats would be arguing with me in all caps right now.

On October 02 2013 13:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Look, Oats, you have to admit, it IS pretty weird that Risen hasn't been trying to convince me, right? Like, even drawing some weird unflipped associative tell shit you can't just go and say "I'm not going to try to convince BH, who's literally in the thread right now and rather influential as a town player, that HF is scum". You also have to admit, do you not, that given that holyflare IS LITERALLY A NEWBIE, it's possible he doesn't get what playing the newb card means? It's possible that yes, the reaction should be suspicion, but also an attempt to draw him into conversation? That not doing that is sub-optimal, and therefore scummy?

On November 01 2013 16:22 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't really like your vote and I think you should vote Oats, who is coincidentally my top scum read. It's all in the filter.

On November 01 2013 16:30 Pandain wrote:

Why don't you contribute

On November 01 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote:

Oatsmaster/OdinofPergo/Laughing Jack

On November 01 2013 15:53 Grackaroni wrote:
But not to go, oh nooooooo I'm so bad. that is why I do scummy things such as jump on lynchbait?

On November 01 2013 19:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I'm ok with getting rid of Laughing Jack.

On November 01 2013 19:48 Grackaroni wrote:

You can be useless or an ass but you just can't be both.

On November 02 2013 01:13 Grackaroni wrote:
You can't be that worried Oats. I've given more information than anyone else in town.

On November 02 2013 01:51 Grackaroni wrote:

Why are you more concerned about that for me than other players?

It amuses me that it's concerning to you that you don't know all of my reads when I think my reads are pretty open on players that are actually doing anything that can be alignment indicative. Most other players are not this way.

Take Mig for instance. All I know of his reads is that he gained nothing of interest from the thread and is going through with the circumstantial hzflank push. He asks many questions, yet he rarely adds in his own opinions. You want to kill that guy?

On November 01 2013 17:41 Laughing Jack wrote:
And I'm starting to think Oats will be a good lynch for today.

On November 02 2013 02:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Nobody is willing to comment at all on what I said on oats.

Oats only plays the noob card when he is mafia and he has an agenda for using it. Why would he say it as town, he doesn't actually believe he is a baddie.

On November 02 2013 04:07 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats has played over 30 games on TL. I don't think he's quite as clueless as people perceive him to be, but If not oats than I think we need a new lynch besides Pandain.

On November 02 2013 08:27 Grackaroni wrote:
Do something Pandas! Our lynch is losing steam.

On November 03 2013 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not sure if it's a scum point though. Surely scum as well would know after the flip that Stutters helped lynch scum.

Oats is being weirdly helpful in a lot of his posts this game and he's not spending much time trying to figure out the game.
All I see in his filter is a town read on hzflank for being confident. (which also could have been equally applied to JJD) A scum read on JJD for caring about whether others agreed with his lynch. A scum read on me for defending JJD. And him wanting to lynch Pandain for lurking.

Maybe I'll check out some meta.

On November 03 2013 06:40 Grackaroni wrote:

Good because I vigged Oats

On November 03 2013 02:14 Mig wrote:
Anyone who has any common sense whatsoever should realize pretty easily that I am town. I put legitimate effort into scum hunting all of yesterday, before I had to leave.

On October 31 2013 11:14 Bereft wrote:
i'm back! this being my first normal game i was terrified there would be 100 new pages by now. but there are only 8 new -- albeit extremely high quality -- posts.



is he a Palmar smurf, you think? i honestly thought they were the same person up until yesterday. i hope that's inoffensive for either party - i just have trouble focusing on more than 2 letters or so at a time.

On November 05 2013 03:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Hopeless, you said earlier that Stutters could be a possible teammate for Asinine. Do you really think that's likely considering his interactions with the flipped scum? I remember in Hogwarts you narrowed in on all of the our house's interactions with Pandain and determined that Holyflare was the hufflescum.

On October 21 2013 07:55 HiroPro wrote:

Overview:
This is a semi-open setup. The possible roles are listed, but the exact role counts are unknown. The mafia win when they equal or outnumber town while having more than 1 member alive. The town wins when mafia only have 1 member left. There are 10 townies and 4 mafia. Mafia have 1 KP each night. Notifications will only be given if required by the role.

On November 05 2013 03:06 Bereft wrote:

but you'll vote for me? in what world is his play less scummy than mine??