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OdinOfPergo
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
Even before roles go out, I have a very hectic work schedule. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
Just my thought. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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I merely don't want to waste our votes on someone we can't possibly know anything about (Because they don't post.) This option only makes any sort of sense closer to the end of day 1. Right now, as it stands, we have the next 45-46ish hours to gather/draw conclusions from any information presented. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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At least I don't have that read yet. In like 99.65535% of these novice games (As far as I can tell), policy lynching is a thing. While people in these matches lean towards bringing this up early on, due to the flips results from them, I'm not ready to call that on him yet. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
per the rules, you need to ##Add double pounds, and bold out your submission. This is not a vote Does this work to not cast a vote? I was trying to respond to a post. Not cast a vote. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Without fully studying it (to make sure my math comes out right), this is what I come up with: Being that there is only 13 players; If there is 11 "for sure town (all listed town/blue roles)" vs 3 "for sure scum roles" That leaves me with a 27% chance to lynch scum with RNG. If there is 10 "for sure town" vs 3 "for sure scum" it's 30% If I take Suess and myself into account for confirmed town it is: 33% and 38% (rounded) respectively. I'm not for certain, but 30+ % chance for randomly tagging a scum role on day 1 with no other option is going to be a lot better than a "afk" lynch. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
And then decide how bad that thought is. Judging by what you just said July, a 100% GUESS at a "afk lynch" is better than a 40% chance to land a scrum roll on the first day within the first 4 hours. My only question is; Are you being serious right now? Because trying to throw off town that hard would seem pretty scummy to me. I'll hold my vote for 2 hours for you to respond. After that I will have to start thinking about going to sleep since I have to work real early. I'm already staying up late for this. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
On October 14 2013 11:26 SagaZ wrote: As a disclaimer early, I think we should all agree on something. We are all newbies here, so if you fuck up or say something dumb, don't play the "oh sorry, I am new I didn't know". Seuss is our confirmed town, we should try to organize around him. For a day 1 lynch, I think lynching some1 innactive is the best way to go. Having innactive players around just give mafia the opportunity to sit back and do nothing while town runs around screaming at each other. So give information about yourself if you can, so that others will be able to read you easy. My stance this early is easy: I will vote for people that post nothing worthy or nothing at all, unless some1 slips. I am also more likely to vote for people that say suspicious stuff and then say "sorry I didn't know I am new" Ok, your first sentence I like. We know what to expect coming into this game. Everyone here is "Relatively" new. This is not really an excuse. If you let this be an excuse for town, what makes you think the scum won't abuse it twice fold? The only way to solve this problem is to hold EVERYONE to a higher expectation. I like your comment about Monte (AKA SUESS!!! DAMMIT MONTE!!) This calls us town-folk in the right direction. Sadly, it was announced on the beginning of day 1. So odds are, the scum are going to kill Suess early on. They know he's town. Who else do they know is town? How would they know any of the blue roles? Who's better target for them than him?'' The point on "Having in-active players around just give the mafia opps" mean literally nothing. They already have a mod confirmed target. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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On October 14 2013 16:09 Vonthin wrote: QUOTE]On October 14 2013 15:52 OdinOfPergo wrote: Well, I read through my last post, And then decide how bad that thought is. Judging by what you just said July, a 100% GUESS at a "afk lynch" is better than a 40% chance to land a scrum roll on the first day within the first 4 hours. My only question is; Are you being serious right now? Because trying to throw off town that hard would seem pretty scummy to me. I'll hold my vote for 2 hours for you to respond. After that I will have to start thinking about going to sleep since I have to work real early. I'm already staying up late for this. How is July's thought a bad idea, it is unsafe, while you have a 40% chance to land a scum you have a 60% chance to blame an innocent townie like myself. Police detectives just don't take a group of people then choose one of them at random and arrest them. Don't even understand how you think he is throwing off the town when you are a danger wanting to pick random people to lynch, that is what seems scummy to me.[/QUOTE] Yes. The difference between his and my idea, Is mainly, I have a strong chance to land scum. He has a penny in a hay bail. More over, my idea leaves me the entire rest of D1 to ALTER my vote. While he is claiming, regardless of what happens in the next FORTY hours, that we should waste our votes on "in-active" members that may or may not be mod-killed and replaced anyway. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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How does that work into what I said at all? July didn't even post a counter argument. He just disagreed with what I suggested. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
On October 14 2013 15:29 July617 wrote: You're going to randomly tag someone who could be potential town and marking them as scum? Doesn't sound like a safe way to play to me . Makes a good point, but would it really be all that smart for scum to play risky? I don't necessarily agree with his post but I don't see it as scummy. [/QUOTE] I don't agree with this at all. How exactly is lynching a afk/lurker at this point better than taking stronger odds chance of a RNG I posted earlier better? I just don't get it. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
On October 14 2013 16:24 playerboy345 wrote: Agree with this post 100%. We have to keep people talking and find oddities, it's our best chance at catching scum (and something they say might bite them in their ass later). That is a ballsy move, what makes you think it's a good idea to go ballsdeep on him because of his ONE post? Makes a good point, but would it really be all that smart for scum to play risky? I don't necessarily agree with his post but I don't see it as scummy. LOL Screw it. EBWOP. I obviously can't quote things worth nothin'. So, in case of future reference I'm re-quoting so we have a 100% un-altered chat log for me to reference. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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We can force early conversation with a RNG. Best case scenario; We rid ourselves of a scum role. Worst case scenario; We have to change our votes because a townie defends himself. This is the entire reason I found the previous post twards this questionable. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
On October 14 2013 16:33 playerboy345 wrote: You are contradicting yourself. First you say you don't want to waste your vote on someone who doesn't post and then you proceed to push for a RANDOM lynch. Alright, allow me to clarify in lamest terms for you. If town lynches a lurker/afk that has not posted at the end of day one. Odds are, is that SAME person will proceed to afk and NOT VOTE (Which is mandatory I might add.) Resulting in a mod-kill. This outcome leads to the ENTIRE TOWN wasting their votes on a lynch that meant LITERALLY NOTHING Why take these odds when you have much better odds with a rng? We can alter rng votes according to what players argue. We can apply pressure to try to flesh of scum on day 1 with these votes. We can move the town in the right direction with these votes. Now please answer me; What the heck do you find scummy about my suggestion? | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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On October 14 2013 16:47 Seuss wrote: Odin, you basically have 50% of all posts since the game began. Curb your enthusiasm. I'm just trying to get discussion rolling Monte.. Why are you trying to stop it?  | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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On October 14 2013 16:37 Vonthin wrote: He was just saying he disagreed with your methods, he didn't say anywhere(unless I missed something which i don't think i did) that we waste our votes lynching inactive members which you said he did in one of your earlier posts. Both lynching RNG/getting the inactive person is both sorta stupid Ok, sorry. This was my ms-understanding then. I think I've spent enough time defending my position on my recommendation. Hopefully people will get back to me on it. I refuse to set this up/ push for this if people seriously think I'm being scummy for doing it. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Makes a good point, but would it really be all that smart for scum to play risky? I don't necessarily agree with his post but I don't see it as scummy. @PLAYERBOI, I was referring to this comment. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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You brought up something about me not referencing (I'm glad you did now that I re-read.) So I jumped to conclusions. Sorry, like I said, I work really long hours. If I say something retarded; I hope you guys don't write me off for it. But please do allow me a few hours to explain myself. (Because unless I have the following day off I will most likely be asleep before any meaningful convo. takes place.) | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
On October 14 2013 16:33 playerboy345 wrote: You are contradicting yourself. First you say you don't want to waste your vote on someone who doesn't post and then you proceed to push for a RANDOM lynch. I tried to clear this up. This is what I was talking about Player. If I failed at it, I will try to re-word it so it is easier to understand. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Give me a few minutes. I'm not too familiar with how to combine quotes in TL foryums (if my post count wasn't enough to give me away HAHA hehe  )But I'll try to string it together the best I can. Rough ETA probably 20 mins. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
On October 14 2013 15:52 OdinOfPergo wrote: Well, I read through my last post, And then decide how bad that thought is. Judging by what you just said July, a 100% GUESS at a "afk lynch" is better than a 40% chance to land a scrum roll on the first day within the first 4 hours. My only question is; Are you being serious right now? Because trying to throw off town that hard would seem pretty scummy to me. I'll hold my vote for 2 hours for you to respond. After that I will have to start thinking about going to sleep since I have to work real early. I'm already staying up late for this. My pre-arguement on why we should do this instead of "Silence" or "afk" lynch. ou're going to randomly tag someone who could be potential town and marking them as scum? Doesn't sound like a safe way to play to me . July's response to me. This is stupid, because you are trading chance to lynch (All-be-it 4 to 6), For a 100% guess. Setting up an RNG to lynch someone is really stupid, especially with those odds plus it also takes away the fun/skill of the game. Also seems silly to be talking about an afk lynch when the game literally just started, would rather vote for someone suspicious looking like SagaZ who was so quick to start talking about lynching people minutes after the game started. Vonthin supports this view point. Which makes me wonder about him too. Why would people freak about about of 4-6 chance when they are willing to jump on a 1-10? Nothing adds up right now. So now you join in. On October 14 2013 16:24 playerboy345 wrote: Agree with this post 100%. We have to keep people talking and find oddities, it's our best chance at catching scum (and something they say might bite them in their ass later). You jump in supporting my suggestion. On October 14 2013 14:38 istandwithmitt wrote: ##vote: SagaZ Lynching lurkers gives us no information for future days & keeps scum from having to lay down a real vote. The way he's trying to guide the town is really scummy too & makes him look town without contributing anything. Well, see ya That is a ballsy move, what makes you think it's a good idea to go ballsdeep on him because of his ONE post?[/QUOTE] Again we agree. On October 14 2013 15:29 July617 wrote: You're going to randomly tag someone who could be potential town and marking them as scum? Doesn't sound like a safe way to play to me . Makes a good point, but would it really be all that smart for scum to play risky? I don't necessarily agree with his post but I don't see it as scummy. [/QUOTE] This is where you lose me. They are trying to call me out for my RNG. But what better plan are they suggesting? Because alls I've heard to this point is "lynch afk". Which, most likely, means we waste our votes on someone who is going to get mod-killed/replaced the following morning. Describe in detail if I have not followed peoples logic soundly. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
I do not think our cop role-claiming would be a good move at this point. The scum already know one of our roles and we don't want to add to that. I'd much prefer to gather intel. from him first. If he just points us in the right direction without giving himself away in the first few days... Well, honestly, I'll be ecstatic. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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On October 14 2013 17:00 playerboy345 wrote: "We can alter rng votes according to what players argue." would it still be a rng if you alter your vote? And chill, I never said that your suggestion is scummy. I am a bit confused by this post. From what I can get.. "Would I support a RNG if it pointed vs myself?" Simple answer is no. This method only for sure works if you roll town. It works more efficiently the more players you can for sure eliminate from scum. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
Sorry guys, I had to get a TEENY bit of sleep before I had to go to work. I'll be off at 12:30 (I'm on break now. This out time is a hour away.) I drafted up a part of my current reads during my lunch. Alas, 30 minutes was not enough time to explain everything. So I only have part of you down. Depending on if I try to take a nap after I get off work, I will post up my current reads within the next couple of hours. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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+ Show Spoiler + Setting up an RNG to lynch someone is really stupid, especially with those odds plus it also takes away the fun/skill of the game. Also seems silly to be talking about an afk lynch when the game literally just started, would rather vote for someone suspicious looking like SagaZ who was so quick to start talking about lynching people minutes after the game started. How is July's thought a bad idea, it is unsafe, while you have a 40% chance to land a scum you have a 60% chance to blame an innocent townie like myself. Police detectives just don't take a group of people then choose one of them at random and arrest them. Don't even understand how you think he is throwing off the town when you are a danger wanting to pick random people to lynch, that is what seems scummy to me. I have a obvious goal in mind. Everyone should be able to see it by now. I've explained my reasoning behind this point already. If you didn't read it, It doesn't help your position to point attention to it. Anybody that graduated grade school can do the simple math. That will tell them a almost 40% chance is better than a blind shot in the dark. Which was like a 20 something iirc. From what I've seen to this point, you are just trying to side-track me. Also Vonthin, How does that work into what I said at all? July didn't even post a counter argument. He just disagreed with what I suggested. He was just saying he disagreed with your methods, he didn't say anywhere(unless I missed something which i don't think i did) that we waste our votes lynching inactive members which you said he did in one of your earlier posts. Both lynching RNG/getting the inactive person is both sorta stupid Ok, so he tried to derail my train of thought without trying to giving me a new one? Sounds like your trying to stall for something. Again. On October 14 2013 16:20 OdinOfPergo wrote: Yes. The difference between his and my idea, Is mainly, I have a strong chance to land scum. He has a penny in a hay bail. More over, my idea leaves me the entire rest of D1 to ALTER my vote. While he is claiming, regardless of what happens in the next FORTY hours, that we should waste our votes on "in-active" members that may or may not be mod-killed and replaced anyway. Also Vonthin, please note; I have not even cast a vote yet. You should really contribute to these arguments at this point. Because from I can tell you are just side-tracking them without an alternative. Player Boi -- Leaning towards town + Show Spoiler + That is a ballsy move, what makes you think it's a good idea to go ballsdeep on him because of his ONE post? I enjoy the fact that at least you question things. You are contradicting yourself. First you say you don't want to waste your vote on someone who doesn't post and then you proceed to push for a RANDOM lynch. My responce. Well, that was sort of my point. We can force early conversation with a RNG. Best case scenario; We rid ourselves of a scum role. Worst case scenario; We have to change our votes because a townie defends himself. This is the entire reason I found the previous post twards this questionable. Player did not understand my previous post. I explained it out again through pages 8&9 (Too lazy to copy this since people do NO FORMATTING PLS. USE YOUR SPACE/ENTER KEY PLS.) But anyway, the result came to this: Alright, allow me to clarify in lamest terms for you. If town lynches a lurker/afk that has not posted at the end of day one. Odds are, is that SAME person will proceed to afk and NOT VOTE (Which is mandatory I might add.) Resulting in a mod-kill. This outcome leads to the ENTIRE TOWN wasting their votes on a lynch that meant LITERALLY NOTHING Why take these odds when you have much better odds with a rng? We can alter rng votes according to what players argue. We can apply pressure to try to flesh of scum on day 1 with these votes. We can move the town in the right direction with these votes. Now please answer me; What the heck do you find scummy about my suggestion? TO which PB answered quickly; ( I GOT FREAKING LAZY. I WILL CONTINUE IF PEOPLE ARE TO LAZY TO GO READ TWO PAGES. Actually screw this. I've been trying to peice this post together for almost and hour and a half now. I just got off work and it's still not done. Our conclusion comes out to: PB calls me out to explain my claims- I explain them- PB explains his point of view. I explain mine. We tend to agree after a while on most subjects. EVERYTHING to do with this takes place on pages 8-10 Go read up on it. I'm tired. Also, you guys, for the most part, don't format shit. It's hard to type things out on notepad (Haha, It denies me [for the most part] the ability to format anything.) Ok, well at least you have come to a point on this. There is literally no point in lynching someone who's afk. Our current big lurkers, SagaZ and istandwithmitt, Haven't given us much to bais on. I'm more agains't Istand because it seems he's trying to bandwagon an early vote. While that's not suprising in these games, He doesn't follow up with anything (Be it because SagaZ didn't post anything after or not.) At this point I'll agree with you in saying this action is slightly disturbing. You can pressure vote on SagaZ though Istand. I will not vote for you yet because of this. If SagaZ comes back into this discussing I might even apluad you for it (Thought, it's been several hours, I have my doubts this will happen gracefully.) LATER ON I'm against lynching afkers. Lurkers are kind of a different story though, we have to force those to post. Honestly your suggesting isn't lynching someone randomly, it's lynching whoever is the scummiest (something I agree with). Lynching afkers should never happen in my opinion as it's more likely to set us back then anything else. I HATE E00e!!!! SERIOUSLY WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? July -- Questionable/SCUM + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2013 15:29 July617 wrote: You're going to randomly tag someone who could be potential town and marking them as scum? Doesn't sound like a safe way to play to me . My responce. I don't agree with this at all. How exactly is lynching a afk/lurker at this point better than taking stronger odds chance of a RNG I posted earlier better? I just don't get it. his "responce"? I mean this seriously isn't even coherent. How am I suppose to answer this per my previous question? At least you realize how bad that sort of thinking is , I don't feel comfortable lynching anyone just yet . I never said we lynch anyone . let's just let people talk for a bit. We ARE talking. Why are you saying that this discussion is bad? I dont think anyone is sidetracked, I just think we need to talk more so we can get idea's of the active players and a direction in which to go towards . Preferably a sane one. I don't understand how you expect us to move foward. You are obviously agains't my idea. You are "undecided" (I lack a solid statement) saying that you are for/agains't a policy "afk/lurker" vote. If I missed something here, point it out. Because alls I can gather from your current filter is that you obviously have no set objective. That makes me think you're scum GGTemplar -- Have to wait. NULL + Show Spoiler + I think between SagaZ and istandwithmitt, at most one of them is mafia. SagaZ's first post is somewhat suspicious but istandwithmitt instantly going so hard on him is just as suspicious because it seems like such an easy target at that point. There's no way they're both mafia together. It's possible both are town, but if we gain information that one of them is mafia, it would clear the other as town I'd say. He did at least "sort of" defend his post. I don't think if istandwithmitt was mafia, he would throw his buddy so hard under the bus that hard and that quickly. E00e -- NULL (RESEARCH PREV.) At the end of the road here, I've come into a few conclusions. Which is good. It was the whole reason I posted the RNG in the first place. I would have used it if nothing else came up. Lucky for me, there is plenty of things that have drawn my attention since this topic started. @Suess -- I don't intend to follow through with a RNG now. I have reads/tells that I have posted above that resulted from this days current discussions. I will adjust my views depending on what happens after this. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
If I get quiet for a few hours, I simply decided to take a short nap. I'm off to take a shower now. | ||
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On October 14 2013 14:38 istandwithmitt wrote: ##vote: SagaZ Lynching lurkers gives us no information for future days & keeps scum from having to lay down a real vote. The way he's trying to guide the town is really scummy too & makes him look town without contributing anything. Well, see ya This being his only post I am somewhat torn about it. I understand that trying to pressure vote is a way to get people to talk. But I don't really think this is a "pressure vote" There is no pressure here. It's a scape goat "Oh look, I posted this day" Now I will proceed to lurk and not follow up any argument or pressure on this "pressure vote". This particular post is scummy. But as it is his only post, I'm not really enticed into chasing for this lynch yet. Perhaps I will revert to it if my other scum reads post valid counter-arguments. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Also Suess, I comment on my previous statement briefly in the PB read I posted earlier. If I have to choose between SagaZ and Istand, Istand looks worse. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Give me a hour or so to soak in what I've read and I'll post on this. It's the whole reason I left E00e as NULL for right now. I haven't really studied what happened between last night and now. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Some good things going on, and some bad things going on. Personally I want to write off the bad things on bigginers in-experience. The over-all objective of his post seems to be pro-town. But he does ask some questions that could of caused us problems. As he doesn't persue any of these, I don't really have any issue with him. On October 14 2013 17:19 E00e wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hello everyone, my first post! I think the discussion about a semi random lynch or an afk lynch was somewhat pointless because the day is still early and we might find something else to lynch on. In the rare (?) case that we dont get any information we can argue about that again. On that topic I dont think it is reasonable to immediately vote for SagaZ (who suggested afk lynch first) like istandwithmitt did. I like that GGTeMpLaR started giving thoughts about the players in this game, because ultimately we need to do that to find our lynch target. Something else we could and maybe should discuss is when the Cop should come out. Should they come out after checking X Mafia or Y Town or when they are about to be lynched, etc... We dont need to do that on the first day and I dont want to sidetrack the discussion but it is something to keep in mind for the next day or if we run out of things to talk about. This is July's response. I don't like July's post in general. It's why he's my second scummy read. He hasn't posted anything that's convinced me 100% that he is scum yet, But he's for sure not helping his position in my eyes with post like these. + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2013 17:29 July617 wrote: I dont think anyone is sidetracked, I just think we need to talk more so we can get idea's of the active players and a direction in which to go towards . Preferably a sane one. Player's response. For starters, this post seems a lot worse than it actually is depending on how you view it. Player seems REALLY harsh in this. I can't really fualt him for that in this case. You want to be hyper aggro on everyone to get: #1) Discussion going #2) Be able to learn thing from said discorse. So yes, PB post comes off rather rude. Especially the end of it. I will not give him a scum read for doing it though, since I almost did the same at the suggestion of having our cop role-call. It sounds like a terrible idea to me. It obviously sounds like a terrible idea from PB too (from what I've read here.) The only reason I didn't say something to the level of what PB posted here is: E00e never actually followed up on his call out for the cop. + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2013 17:35 playerboy345 wrote: [green]No the discussion isn't pointless - it forces people to talk which is a good thing. And going ballsdeep on SagaZ AND istandwith mitt.... Dude I can't even be bothered to mention the last paragraph: ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? On October 14 2013 17:44 OdinOfPergo wrote: @E00e - I do not think our cop role-claiming would be a good move at this point. The scum already know one of our roles and we don't want to add to that. I'd much prefer to gather intel. from him first. If he just points us in the right direction without giving himself away in the first few days... Well, honestly, I'll be ecstatic. I will quote this to emphasize my point. I feel like E00e just slipped up early by asking for this roll-call because he's new. In this post, unless he's lying to try to cover up his tracks, it implies he STILL doesn't even understand where he messed up at. And in his defense, no one has explicitly pointed it out for him yet (Though this post will. You should explain your reasoning here E00e. I'm giving you the option too rather easily.) + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2013 17:53 E00e wrote: Yes it is good that people talk, however there might be other more rewarding ways to do that. I think that meta discussions about this topic are pointless too, so I wont argue about that more. Could you explain your rage about the last paragraph? From your post I dont understand the problem with it and I said everything very calmly and careful. PB followed with this The last line irks me about this post. Suess is right about this. Why are you jumping on him so hard? It's plain as day to me he just made a mistake. You should probably of followed up in a manner such as I just did a paragraph above this one. This looks pretty bad from other perspectives. It isn't enough for me to change my read on you yet. But you'd best explain the reasoning behind this attempt at a bandwagon. You're trying to flesh people out. I like that. But you do actually need to have evidence for your claims. + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2013 17:53 playerboy345 wrote: [green]I'm against lynching afkers. Lurkers are kind of a different story though, we have to force those to post. Honestly your suggesting isn't lynching someone randomly, it's lynching whoever is the scummiest (something I agree with). Lynching afkers should never happen in my opinion as it's more likely to set us back then anything else. I HATE E00e!!!! SERIOUSLY WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? Reading through this I feel like I made the right initial call. Look, he re-words his post to better explain his point. The ONLY problem I have with this is: Why is E00e interested in helping our cop role-claim at all? We have coaches. Let him work it out with them. The less blue roles scum have to target the better. The only scenario that our cop should role-call in is if he is about to get lynched. In which case, if I hasn't defended himself to this point, it's probably too late regardless. On October 14 2013 17:55 E00e wrote: @Odin I agree that the cop should not come out now. Im just interested in helping the cop to figure out when they should come out. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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I've come to the conclusion; I cannot type to save my life. No edit hurts  | ||
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If E00e defense of SagaZ is wrong, was mine wrong too? Please explain. SagaZ has made 1 post. It doesn't seem like it's complete trash but he hasn't posted anything else yet. I have to wait to see if this changes. Like my first couple post were about this. One of them specifically mentioned I was not on board with lynching SagaZ at the moment. It's kind of the reason I lean towards Istand lynch of SagaZ. Either way, at this point, either of them could probably post a compelling statement to sway my reads on them with solid reasoning. The whole reason I don't have a real read on either of them is entirely a lack of content. | ||
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Obv my scum reads are still higher on my list than Istand. I figure I should clear this up before/if it became an issue. | ||
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Yeah, I guess I must of missed that. Ashamed. But this post still just kind of rehashes what we have been talking about anyway. Istand's actions seem scummy. There isn't a way to know for sure until he post more. At the point I still prefer to wait. There isn't a lot to tell about either of them this way or that. I guess I'll wait for everyone else to come back around. If my formatting was bad I'd prefer to settle any misunderstandings. I don't want bad scum reads on people because of simple miss understandings. | ||
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I'd rather have to pick apart my info so we can try to move the town in the right direction. My post mean nothing if they don't move us towards lynching scum. | ||
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my first couple post were really blotchy. Since this got brought up, Is my formatting in my last reads post on E00e better? I tried to clean it up a bit when Suess commented on it. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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Could you at least elaborate on the reads I put up? | ||
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You should explain why you feel I'm trustworthy. I've tried to make it pretty clear what and what and why I think about people. You aren't even trying to. | ||
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##vote:istandwithmitt | ||
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@Suess, I'm curious on why you think Nyx is town though. His 5? post consist of nothing but pretty much the same statement. I'm less than sold on the idea. | ||
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I just got home and I 100% agree with the Istand point. He votes for himself. He just doesn't even want to play this game. ##unvote I will re-read this thread from 14. Since I only really had a brief moment to scim it since I've been home. Alls I can point to at this point from my scim through is: I still don't like July. And sorry Seuss; I really don't like Nyx's post still. Although I think you mentioned this. I will pull quotes and piece together a case for my lynch vote. | ||
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You complain about a lack of details. Yet you don't ask any questions. On October 15 2013 07:39 July617 wrote: Well here I am again, sorry I had a long sleep today, Odin I think your reads are good reads are strong, I can see why you pegged me as possible scum, I was just trying to talk and move things along but with that said yeah I should of added more onto my post's and contributed/clarified/spoke-up with ideas of my own. My own personal reads ? I don't really have confidence in anyone as of yet, I mean I know a good chunk of us are town but none of the post's here give much info (Besides mitt and playerboy going at each other . which is weird ) like i said again in a previous post we should be talking more but like E00e said we'll have a hard time finding mafia without actual evidence to back it up . So i've really got nothing so far. I'm just trying to read everyone safely and calmly. On October 15 2013 18:11 July617 wrote: @seuss I'll give you that , my past five posts over and over again have been the pretty much the same thing, only because I really don't have an idea of who I should focus my attention to. Yes istandwithmitt is an easy lynch because of how he's acting but I believe there are better lynches out there. As to who ? I'm not so sure, I wish i could say SagaZ but he could just be playing bad town . And Whether it is bad town play or he's secretly mafia, I can't lean to either side without an explanation from him . So you actually do think that wasting a vote on Istand is a worthless vote. You're pretty much admitting to just taking the easy vote? The Nyx statement at the end was just a very brief rehashing mixed with a "Oh look, I'm helping" Nyx's one liners are the same use of Instands at this point to me. The only thing he hasn't done is post anything but them. On October 16 2013 05:46 July617 wrote: U.S timezone's people, give me a break, this is day 1 here, day one and we've had four players being called for a lynch and a mighty big bandwagon going on with mitt nyx and vothin, with the exception of vothin right now, yes nyx and mitt do seem like viable choices, but are your reads really that sure that they're mafia? We could be lynching bad town and losing votes we may need later on down the road, I'd like to not have a reason to vote for mitt, but the way he's acting will only worsen with time. I'd like to believe that it will worsen with time but I really don't know, and I have to go with the fact's here and the fact's are that we need the town as strong and as trusted as can be if we're going to want to win, having bad and erratic play isn't helping us . That's my opinion on the matter. ##Vote istandwithmitt Nyx dont pressure vote, pressure voting is how mafia infiltrates peoples ranks, just explain yourself more, and be exact and absolute with your points. Everything short of reading what you seriously already posted? Did you read the two and a half pages before it? "Oh his post are worse than mine" If this is true why are you still around? Why is Nyx getting the nice crumble of a supposed tip? Why do you choose mitt over Vontin? Are you trying to pull the weight off your scum buddy? I don't like this. Vonthin is a strong lynch for the town right now. You could of gone from one no poster to another. I only remember a few post that got brought up. ##vote July617 On October 16 2013 07:14 July617 wrote: Seus, I have nothing left to give you, Im bashing my head on the desk trying to figure out what I can do to make you see that I am town . I explained my vote on mitt and yet you still seem to believe i'm mafia, even going as far as saying you'd bet your "virtual life" on it . I don't know what to say, I've tried explaining myself but you just continue to call it useless and meaningless, if that's how you see it then so be it . I have nothing else to say to you because It seems like your stuck on this tirade of me being mafia, you asked me for my opinion and i gave it to you . Yeah I jumped on the bandwagon, because at this point mitt is no use to us as a town player, he continues to write even less then myself and he doesn't seem to care anymore, why are we keeping him around then? You're saying he's contributed more than me ? I'm doing what you asked me to do in your previous post, I gave my opinion and now i'm getting attacked again by you for the one thing you wanted me to do . | ||
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Here, I actually already got started on this when I re-read the thread. I don't like it really but I lack enough time to to much about it right now. | ||
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Ok, this is pretty much where I left off anyway. So picking up here. I already point out that all of Nyx's post don't contain pretty much any content. On October 15 2013 05:09 Seuss wrote: At the time nyxnyxnyx wanted to blindly follow you the discussion that was going on was chaotic, without purpose, and generally a mass of confusion and bad assumptions on all sides. Killing the conversation so that we could move on to actually hunting scum needed to happen. It is slightly suspect. It's possible both you and he are actually mafia, and he's just chiming in to increase confidence in your authenticity. However, so long as I think you're a townie and contributing positively to the game, nyxnyxnyx is also likely a townie because as a mafia he wouldn't gain anything by killing a disruptive conversation or following the lead of a proactive townie. On October 15 2013 12:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote: ##Vote: istandwithmitt On October 16 2013 00:20 nyxnyxnyx wrote: I don't actually think istandwithmitt is mafia, although he is a bad poster. Unfortunately I'll miss out on last few hours because Asian time zone OP. Good luck guys! I've missed a few pretty important discuss here. Why would you still blindly follow me at this point? I haven't even had the chance to share my opinion at this point. Which Bereft pointed out. On October 16 2013 00:43 nyxnyxnyx wrote: Because Odin probably knows how to play this game better than I do and he's voting for him right now. On October 16 2013 01:38 nyxnyxnyx wrote: EBWOP ##unvote ##vote Vonthin | ||
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Do I like that, no. If I'm not going to lynch Istand for it though what makes you different? You aren't even posting some crumby defense that I can work at. | ||
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Lacking that, I figure in the 20 minutes until the end of day 1 he'll be dead anyway. Unless half of the people on him change their votes last minute. I doubt this. Frankly I think he's given way more reason for the lynch over Nyx or Istand. Neither of them post anything. Meanwhile we have July and Vonthin who just have a few post spread out that all contain shotty arguments that I think are just trying to shift blame away from themselves. July I really don't understand because he's "defending" himself when there isn't even heat there. I don't understand this at all. Vonthin does. But like I said, He's dead, will flip scum, and then I get to grill you about it. | ||
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I don't think Vonthin's argument is worth it's weight in salt. But I realize he's dead and I want to pull attention to this for when he flips red. | ||
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This is going to be a problem. When we have town defending themselves like this. Ok so, Bereft and Suess make a point about Istand being either an obvious troll, or an extremely bad townie. Vonthin follows this with a Istand vote half a page later. That got you some attention. Which could probably have been negated with a better explaination than this: + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2013 23:20 Vonthin wrote: I did read your post and Suess' posts Here is reasons why I voted for him 1. He is super quick to jump the gun to lynch someone, votes after seeing SagaZ's very first post saying we should lynch inactive 2. His very next post he switches and votes for playerboy by saying he posts nothing worthwhile(he has some point here, a good portion of his posts don't say much besides i agree with x but a lot of those posts came after he voted against him) 3. Makes shit posts saying things like "Good poast" after someone votes against him, then just proceeds to argue poorly trying to justify his voting and being 2 confrontational plus no real analysis. He seems the scummiest to me, there are some people that seem scummy but nothing as glaring as him. I am still contemplating switching my vote to Nyx but want to see another post or two from him. Reasons for thinking he is scum so far: Hasn't said almost anything besides that he is gonna blindly follow Odin when he isn't a confirmed town and that odin has a plan because we don't have one the townies auto lose! Then he just posts once more saying he is voting for Mitt and nothing else I feel like we could of avioded this mislynch if Vonthin didn't defend his position with 3 short winded points. One of which was just flat out wrong. Istand didn't make any arguments. The most he said was one liners basically translating to; "I will vote for whoever I deemed scum and don't really care to explain how I have come to this conclusion." The last paragraph could have been a good start at just this. Nyx isn't contributing anything more than this. He's not even contributing the statement about not caring to explain himself. Simply a strait refusal to do so thus far. And then Suess follows suit with this as a scum read with other's and this bandwagon starts to gain weight. Obviously people don't see you're explaination as a valid excuse. So what are you going to do about it? You change you're vote to Nyx shortly after this. You come back 2 and a half hours later with a single paragraph that gave us this: In lamest terms: "I am going to change my vote to Nyx for the same reason I had it on Istand" followed by "It was an ez vote" "Now I'm off to work! Bye and I hope I don't die!" + Show Spoiler + On October 16 2013 04:13 Vonthin wrote: Did you read his past couple of posts? Looks like Mittgave up and will most likely be mod killed, even if he isn't gonna be mod killed there isn't a point in killing him today since we pretty much know everything about him and nyx started to look really scummy to me so I switched to him like I said I would if I saw someone who looked scummier than mitt, nyx looks incapable of forming an opinion for himself and just follows everyone else which doesn't really seem like a thing a townie would do. On October 16 2013 04:19 Vonthin wrote: Also one of the reasons(not that good of a reason tho imo) I initially voted for Mitt at the time was that I wasn't sure I would have time to be on and cast a vote before the deadline and he seemed like an alright choice at the time since everyone else voted and no one looked scummy enough to warrant a vote yet. Anyways I have to go to work now and won't be back till late tonight unless I have time to check on my phone, hopefully I'm not hanged but it looks like I am just for disagreeing with a stupid rng plan and then hoping on an obvious bandwagon that people were starting to get off :/ I'm taking this as a wake up call for town. We have July,Nyx,Istand, and now previously Vonthin posting for the most part nothing or very weak arguments. We need to talk a lot more. I'm not going to accept blind faith on things from this point on. We all knew the commitment in joining this. If you can't spend an hour or so reading and coming up with a reason for your viewpoints, I'm going to assume it's because your scum. On that note, I would really appreciate to hear from July, Nyx, and Istand if he has any intention to continue playing. | ||
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Could you answer any of the questions on my post found on the bottom of page 18? The only thing your post is giving me is that you believe Mitt is just bad townie (Which was a point that was beaten on for several pages.) And then rehashing what everyone else has already said to do. Could you follow your own advice here and give us your reads? @Nyx, 1) You still don't answer any of the questions brought up for you. You wanted to bandwagon behind my vote early because you weren't sure. People didn't like this defense but it snuck by under the radar for the most part due to Suess suggestion behind what your motives might of been. After I was missing from this thread for the better part of the second half of D1, this argument doesn't hold water with me anymore. I haven't even been online to give an opinion on the new situation. Why still blindly follow my choice despite all the new information in the thread? 2) But you said: On October 16 2013 00:20 nyxnyxnyx wrote: I don't actually think istandwithmitt is mafia, although he is a bad poster. Unfortunately I'll miss out on last few hours because Asian time zone OP. Good luck guys! So why waste the vote? You are about to go to sleep so why don't you put your vote on your strongest scum read before doing so? Why leave it on him at this point? Of course this is assuming you've made any reads at all. Because if you have, you sure haven't shared them with the rest of us. 3) Why didn't you question Vonthin on why he thought you were scum? Right now I think you're scummy. Does that mean your next post is going to consist of a vote for me with no explanation to it? You're under a lot of suspicious because you don't really tell us anything about your reasoning. | ||
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On October 17 2013 02:42 istandwithmitt wrote: Pls you dont need to curse. I just want you guys to try & look at things that are scummy rather than getting in big rants about how people don't post enough. ggtemplar is talking about how its a good thing to lynch someone you think is town (hint: it never is) & this is from someone who has been convinced I'm scummy all game. He then justifies that "if I am town" (hint: he has been saying that he thinks I'm scum all game) that I'm still a good lynch. Basically, he's pushing a lynch on someone a lot of people think is town & then preparing for when I flip town but justifying it as a good lynch. Basically, he's going to get a townie lynched but no worries, it was a good thing for a town! I think ggtemplar knows I'm town & is trying to hedge his position for when I flip town. Well, see ya. This is a good response btw Istand. I can see it from Templar's stance though aswell. This is like the first post you've actually gave any inkling on how you actually think. You gave us your point of view, and now people can roll that though around in their head. Will have to wait for a few more post though. I'm not just going to instantly write off all your previous post because of this one. | ||
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I can realize this which is why I asked him to explain his posts. Because my previous read I posted about him is no convincing to me. Although with Vonthin flipping town I'm not so sure anymore if he's scummy or just failing to properly explain himself in a way that I can understand. Nyx's is giving us nothing, how can you expect me to group him as anything other than scum? | ||
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On October 17 2013 03:37 onlywonderboy wrote: The more I think about it, I feel like nyx has been playing a weak town rather than strong mafia. His voting was weird, but other than that he hasn't done anything particularly scummy. He hasn't given us much to work with, but that could be a symptom of being a newer player rather than hiding in the shadows (a trap I fell into my first game). You could use this as a rallying point to get a lynch going knowing he's just playing a weak town and look innocent because other people agree he didn't contribute much. I single you out because a you are active and I think a lot of people think you are pro town and thus listen to what you have to say. This is something that happened to me last game and played a big role in the towns defeat. The main problem I have with Nyx is the fact that his post lack any content. If you glance back over right before the end of day 1, I mention that I'm also not willing to lynch him for that fact. If I'm not going to assume Istand is for sure scum for the same style of posting, how can I assume it for sure on Nyx? This stops me from voting for him but I'm still going to try to get some pressure on him to step it up. I'm sure you remember the flurry of crap Istand got for this. His latest post are actually attempting to remedy this to an extent. Why can't I pressure Nyx and hope for the same? Right now especially, since people are pairing me with his lack of content. I've spent this whole game being fairly open about how and why I view players the way I do. If he had posted any sort of thoughts on why he was following me maby I wouldn't mind this as much. What else, other than probe for answers, can I do? (This doesn't mean I think very highly of either of them. Simply that I can't really deem either as for sure mafia.) + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2013 03:59 July617 wrote: EBWOP : Fucked up on the page placement . sorry guys . Here were my reads and reasoning, I voted for mitt because of the fact that he was written off day one with his own post's; yes admittedly they had more stronger of a case then myself but they were still bad IMO. As the day went on I started seeing the voltin votes going through, but i chose mitt in the end because he was IMO a bad town, he was playing like it and although now it's night one and he's still the same. Save us all the headaches and deal with it like we should of night SagaZ what do you think about Templar as of now ? Do you agree with his reasoning on pg 18 of why we should vote for mitt? I was assumed to be attempting to fly under the radar with the voltin votes what if i asked you the same thing, do you think you flew under the radar of suspicion, the only one here 100% town is seus, I know we'd all like to develop a town circle but it's always best to stay on your toes don't you think ? I'd also like to here from the rest of the town on SagaZ and your reads on him. Expanding my thought's later I'd like to hear the answer's first . Ok July, I'm going to change my perspective on this and look at it from yours. You're pushing into this from a point of "Well, I don't have any 100% scum reads, and nothing else has been posted to fully convince me of any. This being the case, I'm going to vote Istand because even if he's town he's just dead weight." I only understand this off the basis that you don't find anyone else's arguments for lynches worth following. I don't really understand why you would just ignore them then. Why not try to post critisism on them if you questioned their reasoning? Wouldn't that be better for the town anyway? | ||
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