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On October 20 2013 13:13 July617 wrote: It's simple my thought was I didn't want nyx to die, I never wanted him to die but we lynched him because he was bad town . Same reason we wanted to lynch mitt, again more bad town . We can't lynch bad town anymore, we've still got an SK and mafia running around, the last thing we want to do is get bogged down in more bad town lynching . So why didn't you try harder to defend him? Can you expand your read on OWB please? We couldn't afford to lynch town yesterday, we got lucky because SK had to be in our favor with the mafia #s. If he hit town we are dead. | ||
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On October 20 2013 13:03 onlywonderboy wrote: Suess dying was inevitable, he was an easy target for the mafia tonight so that isn't too shocking. If we're already talking about the next lynch, I still say we pressure July super hard. I was confidant in my vote on him and nothing has really changed my mind there. It would take a lot to convince me he's neither scum or SK. Don't you feel that if you were to read him as town from the start, his play last night certainly fits the profile? I don't know... i'm kind of changing my mind. Again, I've been re-evaluating all of my reads and I'm not just yet ready to share. I was seriously expecting nyx to flip SK (well after I saw Seuss switched obviously). | ||
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On October 20 2013 13:54 July617 wrote: But why? Quote me some things, anything.I just think it's not bad town play it's him actually being mafia, his bad town play doesn't sit right . | ||
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Point #1: Here is what initially tipped me off: On October 19 2013 11:36 onlywonderboy wrote: I tried so save nyx, I really did. I was totally right that he felt that same way I did my first game. So that means there is still a potential SK out there, so who is the main suspect now? A post like this might fit other players, but with my read on OWB this doesn't fit at all. This is some serious information bias, as he's been setting this up for a while to appear more town. He says he tried to save nyx... yet... he didn't.... not at all... in fact: On October 19 2013 08:18 onlywonderboy wrote: That's fine by me. I'm fine with going for nyx. If july gets mod killer and flips town we can focus on balla. Was posted right before july "defended" himself. This is the OPPOSITE of trying to save nyx... if this ain't a slip then I don't know what is. He left his vote on July at the end of the day, but he it didn't really seem like he cared who got lynch one way or another, even though he claims to have tried to save nyx. Here's another post that seems out of character for him: On October 20 2013 12:45 onlywonderboy wrote: For real. SK hitting mafia is a godsend for the town. Point #2: The SK kill N2 is GGTemplar While yes, GGTemplar is mafia. I'm quite sure we can get more information out of this kill then just "SK wanted to kill a mafia". On day2, GGTemplar was literally the only one to mention OWB as a possible scum (I didn't check E00 but I don't really recall him accusing anybody but me). The only other person was July, but since july is under suspicion, killing him wouldn't be a good play for SK. Notice OWB's reaction to his posts that mention him by looking at owb's filter: NADA. He doesn't even blink. I believe that SK was less trying to target a mafia then he was trying to get the suspicions quiet. If he was trying to kill a mafia, then why wouldn't he have targetted myself or July, who were both on the verge of getting lynched whereas GGTemplar had 0 votes. You'd have to be very confident in your own reads to make a shot like that. The only person who was confident on GGTemplar was istandwithmitt, which is interesting to note if someone wants to make a case for mitt. Point #3: Deflection On October 18 2013 13:02 onlywonderboy wrote: Damn, I really wish I had more to add (I know people have been calling out my lack of posts), but I'm just not coming up with much. nyx and july still seem scummy (or SK-y) and haven't really defended themselves much so not much has really changed there. Still, even if one of them is mafia, that still leaves two more of them out there. Everyone seems to think Odin was the mafia kill and playerboy was the SK kill, but I'm not so sure. If the SK goes for Odin (who seems like the obvious mafia target), they are able to put a lot of pressure on july and nyx basically for free. It doesn't matter to him whether or not they are town or mafia, this kill increased suspicion even more and may lead to a lynch. Of course, if either july or nyx are actually mafia, it would make sense for them to kill someone else to take some of the heat away from themselves. Waking up and finding odin dead would certainly hurt this plan. At this point, everybody was pretty sold with good reasoning on why Odin/playerboy were the mafia/sk kill respectively, IIRC. This seems like a feeble attempt to try to get people to consider more situations then what was reality. I say this because he drops it relatively quickly after Seuss refutes one of his points. That's all i've got. I also read this: On October 18 2013 06:53 onlywonderboy wrote: How do we know there's no vig? I'm rereading the role and it says they "may" choose a player to kill, it's possible they just didn't use their power. As a soft-vigi claim originally, but the fact that there has still been no vigi kill makes me skeptical of that. Let me know if my logic is flawed or something, but with this.. ##vote: onlywonderboy | ||
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On October 19 2013 11:36 onlywonderboy wrote: I tried so save nyx, I really did. I was totally right that he felt that same way I did my first game. So that means there is still a potential SK out there, so who is the main suspect now? What kind of townie would ask the town "who is the main suspect for sk now"? When a presumed scum flips townie, I immediately re-think my reads and form my own opinions. This seems to me like he's not even thinking about who the possible SK is because he knows who it is. He wants to know whether or not there is another SK target he can push, and if there is any suspicion on him so he can decide how to play. Weird WEIRD question. | ||
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If I was bereft, the most confirmed townie (even though istandwithmitt is still pushing that lol).. i'm just going to sit back and let everyone talk so I can make my opinion on them. Make his job easier. | ||
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On October 22 2013 06:28 July617 wrote: Yes there is Did you not see nyx's death ? And Istandwithmitt's almost death ? Building cases against town's is to the detriment of the town itself, you're giving suspicion where there is none, and that's how you end up lynching townies when they have no business being lynched at all . Dude that's the whole point of the game. Scum will build cases on people regardless of whether they are town or not (bussing) to appear more town. Sorry I've been away. Bereft, can you explain why you think SK is either me or owb? Also, has anybody considered mitt as SK like I asked about in my post? He could certainly be SK: playerboy went hard on him and then he voted for playerboy, he went after GGTemplar on day2 and now he's dead. Possible trend. | ||
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But yes, July, the fact that he's not building a case makes me more suspicious of him as SK. | ||
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[QUOTE]On October 22 2013 05:09 E00e wrote: if there's at least one other townie who can be around at the deadline we'll have a shot to not get rolled by town.[/QUOTE] wat Kappa | ||
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On October 22 2013 07:49 onlywonderboy wrote: There's nothing incriminating with ggtemplar, but he could very well be the SK and not mafia. There's nothing concrete but there's certainly a lot of random posts that don't help the town. SK has the luxury of being able to just sort of hang out and let the mafia/town destroy themselves. You've picked apart a lot of my posts trying to make me out as the SK, but that was me just trying to contribute and apparently failing. Meanwhile July has just been watching on the sideline trying to swing the vote towards a townie. No. If he's SK he wouldn't care who gets voted. Unless he knew that "townie" was actually mafia and he needs to even up the mafia/town ratio. However, he wasn't trying to lynch anybody yesterday as it was already pretty much assured that someone was going to be lynched, so putting his vote on you could possibly be a safe way to say "I don't care who gets lynched". Nyx had a lot of random posts that don't help the town either and he was actually town. I don't really see how this situation is any different than Nyx's. This time you're not defending him though you're going for him. | ||
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On October 22 2013 07:56 Bereft wrote: ***by mafia hahahah oh gawd. I swear that's not a scum slip. I suck at multitasking. STFU SCUM !!!!!!!! | ||
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Balla24
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Why don't you have that gut feeling for July though? It's like just cause he's not mentioning the fact that it's his first game and he feels weak because of it you don't have that feeling. I would argue that you should have had that feeling for July and NOT nyx. Let's look at their posting: Nyx - Nyx sheeped onto Odin then Seuss/Bereft - Claimed he didn't have any reads on anybody all game because he didn't know how to. - Had non-existant defenses July - Is making his own very weak reads - Has very weak defenses - Is not sheeping. July looks WAY more like a bad, inexperienced town player than nyx did. - Has weak defenses | ||
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On October 22 2013 08:33 onlywonderboy wrote: I think nyx's bad play was him not knowing what to do, July's seems more like he's trying to look like a town player and just failing. I felt much more like nyx in my first game and was why I sympathized with him. I mean, it could have easily been a mafia ploy, but his frustration ended up being genuine. Really? Because to me it doesn't look at all like how you were playing. You at least tried to defend yourself. You came up with your own reads. I was ok with it when you first brought up how you sympathized with it but I don't know... it just doesn't sit right with me now. I wish others would chime in though on this case, because I feel like i'm tunnel visioning. | ||
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