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It is not technically your fault. Playerboy should not have reacted the way he did. There's no way around that.
I don't see how you think this is insignificant though... I like how you are reacting but then again you should be willing to talk about it if you have nothing to hide. I don't have any further questions about it though. So I on't be pushing it further unless it becomes relevant again.
There is no vigi. Vigi is a straight up idiot if he shot either odin or playerboy.
You're under suspicion on playerboy because of the sole fact that you are the one who brought up the cop thing. You're right though, I should take a step back. ANYBODY who realized playerboy was cop based on his reaction could have killed him.
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I think if we agree that Nyx is the SK and we find a Mafia, we should lynch the SK later and the Mafia first because he might randomly kill a Mafia at night. Is that correct?
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I think whoever we have the best read on by the end of the day we lynch, regardless of whether or not we think it's SK or Mafia. Either one is beneficial for us. If we leave SK alive, there's still 2KP out there and it's possible we lose another two townies (and even possible blues) but then we have to find 3 mafia. SK would likely try to target a mafia that night but do we really want to trust his reads over a collective town?
This is my first SK scenario, so i'm just theorycrafting here. I think it's better to do our best to make sure we don't get an innocent townie lynched over worrying about killing SK versus Mafia.
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EBWOP: If we leave SK alive, there's still 2KP out there and it's possible we lose another two townies (and even possible blues) but then we have to find 3 mafia if we killed him.
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On October 18 2013 02:29 Balla24 wrote:
I told you why i'm so weary with Bereft. This guy is good, he was good last game too. This is why I have to look at him so carefully. I know he's town now and I already said that, the role block confirms him. It's obvious that mafia thinks Bereft is a power role, but he might not be and they certainly don't know for sure. You shouldn't have called that out.
On E00e. I was the first one to call him out on the "cop claim debacle" after playerboy's death. If you think he's scum then I'm not scum with him and vice versa. If it wasn't for him, playerboy might not have gotten shot last night (I do have some part to play in this, but by the time i got back I think the damage was already done) and we might have a check.
I did not claim july was being careful. You're twisting my words. I was talking about it from the point of view of July being scum, he might not be willing to take a risk that would put him under suspicion on the vote, especially if he felt confident Vonthin was going to get lynched anyways (with two town leaders pushing for him).
On odinofpergo kill. Anybody would draw that conclusion. Onlywonderboy did even. I even said that it could be a kill to draw suspicion on them, leaving that as an option.
Also, how was GGTemplar "heavily against" the Vonthin vote. I don't see that at all, could you quote me some posts from his filter where you get that impression.
Based on the wiki I was working under the bad assumption that you only learn you've been roleblocked if you have a role to block. Apparently that's incorrect and you learn you've been roleblocked regardless. So I may be wrong about Bereft having a power role, as I assumed the roleblock meant they had one.
Pressuring E00e on his kerfuffle with playerboy345 is a weak line of attack with an easy defense (as you both just demonstrated while I was in the middle of writing this). It's effortless for E00e to just say, "playerboy345's the one who overreacted" and his defense is basically complete. In fact, you did it for him. You're not really applying pressure when you're answering your own questions to your satisfaction.
Regarding July:
On October 17 2013 02:10 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 02:06 Seuss wrote:On October 17 2013 01:47 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 16 2013 23:03 Bereft wrote:
@Balla - that was purely a timing/availability issue. If I'm home and have time to sit down and write something I will, regardless of day/night phase. might not be the best strategy, but what can you do, time constraints yo. I'm out tonight so not sure if I'll make it home before the night post - but if I do I'll write something.
that being said, what exactly "seems a little different" about my posting this time around? can you expand please? why such a strong read on Sagaz?
my general gut feeling is that only 1 out of the 6 votes on Vonthin is mafia. I would lean towards playerboy i
from this subset. no read on OWB yet - as per last game he has been super quiet. OWB please don't go down that same path again... all just because you played the same way as town doesn't mean you'll get a free pass this time around.
on a phone at work right now... I'll post more thoroughly tonight >< I think I'm quieter this game than last one but that's due to irl responsibilities. Last time I just dug myself a grave by getting super defensive and doing a poor job of explaining myself. As for my vote I was clear upfront I was putting a lot of weight into Suess' analysis since I know he's town and a really smart guy. I agree nyx has a lot of explaining to do. I realize he wanted to follow Odin, but the contradiction of not thinking mitt is mafia but still voting him anyway feels very scummy. Honestly the only person I have a strong read on right now is Odin (town). The initial bandwagon on mitt and changing votes from there was a bit of a clusterfuck so getting a read on these events hasn't been easy. Apparently I'm not smart enough, given the day's outcome. Why don't you think July is town? It's not impossible for him to be mafia, but it seems highly unlikely given that he had no reason to vote istandwithmitt over Vonthin. It could easily be him being careful with his vote so that nobody would be suspicious of it. Again though, I don't think July is mafia, but you shouldn't clear your suspicion of him just because he didn't switch his vote. Especially no reason to switch since it was clear that Vonthin was going to get lynched anyways. Hell, I did that last game as scum, if you aren't the deciding vote there is no reason to switch.
Note the use of the very word "careful". In fact, "might not be willing to take a risk" means practically the same thing as careful. SagaZ was careful, while he voted for istandwithmitt he made it very clear he was willing to change his vote. July617 wasn't careful, he voted for istandwithmitt expressly against and expressly disagreeing with the decision to lynch Vonthin.
I brought up the OdinOfPergo kill speculation because this is a game of straws. You're rarely going to have one big slip-up to identify scum, it's about patterns. Taken by themselves any one of these things is innocuous, but taken together they paint a picture.
Finally, here are the GGTeMpLaR quotes you requested:
On October 16 2013 08:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 17:25 Seuss wrote:On October 15 2013 11:29 Bereft wrote:
also lawl, adding July to that list, just read his post above. July, please give us some reads within the next 12 hours -- that should be enough time for you to "safely and calmly" get your reads together. We don't actually need every last poster giving a full list of reads. In fact, it's a fairly decent way for mafia members to look productive without actually contributing anything useful. The thread is also drawing very quiet, which is good news for the mafia, so I'm going to incite some discussion. At this point I believe istandwithmitt is just an absolutely terrible player/communicator. He's confrontational, dogmatic, egotistical, and generally a pain in the butt, but he's drawn way, way more negative attention to himself than makes sense for mafia. Bereft is right that we should be focusing on finding other targets right now. To that end, I believe the two most likely mafia players are SagaZ and July617. I'll present each case in turn. + Show Spoiler [SagaZ] +While he was the first player to post following the start of the game, he's been a sparse participant since. His first post immediately drew suspicion for a number of reasons. 1. Despite its word count it's actually very light on content. 2. The actual suggestions contained within are highly questionable. Observe: On October 14 2013 11:26 SagaZ wrote:
As a disclaimer early, I think we should all agree on something.
We are all newbies here, so if you fuck up or say something dumb, don't play the "oh sorry, I am new I didn't know". [/color]
[color=green]Seuss is our confirmed town, we should try to organize around him.
For a day 1 lynch, I think lynching some1 innactive is the best way to go.[/color] Having innactive players around just give mafia the opportunity to sit back and do nothing while town runs around screaming at each other.
So give information about yourself if you can, so that others will be able to read you easy.
My stance this early is easy: I will vote for people that post nothing worthy or nothing at all, unless some1 slips. I am also more likely to vote for people that say suspicious stuff and then say "sorry I didn't know I am new" SagaZ spends both the first and last paragraphs primarily rambling about how people shouldn't play the newbie card. If all he really wanted to do was encourage newbies to post, as he later claimed, he could easily have done so with a far more positive tone. He doesn't sound like he's encouraging newbies as much as discouraging them. While he does make two seemingly reasonable suggestions, they are obvious and ultimately counter-productive. As the sole confirmed townie in the game, my lifespan is likely to be short. Rallying around me exclusively would simply set the town up for trouble upon my inevitable death. Similarly, lynching players who'll simply be modkilled does nothing for the town either. So SagaZ' first post discouraged activity and made no useful suggestions. That's enough to arouse suspicion, but not to conclude he is mafia. That brings us to his second post: On October 14 2013 20:11 SagaZ wrote:
Of course I meant lurker lynch, afkers will get modkilled after all. If one guy is not saying anything in the thread or very little, but still turn out to vote for people without giving reasoning... that would be very scum telling to me. I guess it is fairly obvious to everyone, but pointing it out will make them talk whether they want it or not, and that gives information.
I took the opportunity of the first post to basically say "game started, don't hide behind your inexperience and post".
For town to win we need 2 thing:
- Get everyone active
- Organize around our confirmed towny Seuss
@nyxnyxnyx: Care to explain why you trust Odin? Him being so hyper posty makes me nervous but he actually present points for us to discuss on, which creates discussion and is therefore good for town. It is weird to me at least that you come in, decide to side with odin even thought we have a confirmed townie. In this post he claims he meant "lurker" when he said "inactive". However, in his first post he clearly stated that his potential vote targets included those who posted "nothing at all". SagaZ is backpedaling here, and making it seem reasonable by repeating the reasoning that undermined his previous position. He also very carefully drops his excuse for the weird newbie-discouraging rambling at the end of an unrelated paragraph, burying it. "Getting everyone active" is an important step for towns looking to win, but SagaZ doesn't actually have any suggestions on how to do that, and doesn't participate enough himself. He again says everyone should organize around me, also without suggesting how or acknowledging the obvious flaw in the strategy (e.g. I'm a dead man walking). Finally, he ends the post promoting discord. While nyxnyxnyx' decision to trust Odin could have used some additional vetting, at that point Odin was at the nexus of a fairly chaotic argument, and rallying behind his "let's randomly pick someone and put them in the hotseat to get information flowing" idea would have killed a lot of the useless chatter while promoting helpful discussion. Questioning nyxnyxnyx at this point only served to perpetuate the pointless debate, and promote distrust. SagaZ third post was entirely inconsequential, and above analysis. His fourth post at least pretended to have substance: On October 15 2013 05:02 SagaZ wrote:
First impressions: going into this I was feeling most uncomfortable with nyxnyxnyx, blindly following some1 sounds like a pretty bad idea for a town, and especially stating it in the thread sounds more to me like he was trying to get onto OdinOfPergo's good side.
And the I read istandwithmitt's post and I'm like wtf. He voted for me at the beginning and I thought it was alright, aggressive play-style pointing fingers early to get some heat and get the discussion going, but then instead of making use of it he just go silent. And now this switcharoo vote with no explanation and abrasive behavior?
There are a lot of words in this post, but it essentially says nothing. The entire latter half is a rehash of what everyone else had already said about istandwithmitt. The former half mostly repeats his previous misgivings about nyxnyxnyx' decision, adding an extra touch of distrust of both nyx and Odin. No progress towards anything happens over the course of these paragraphs. Finally, there's SagaZ latest post: On October 15 2013 05:20 SagaZ wrote:
I'd like to hear what playerboy345 has to say to Istandwithmitt's accusations; just complete the weird triangle between them 2 and E00e. At this point debating with istandwithmitt was utterly pointless, whoever was doing it. I had said as much earlier. Promoting a useless discussion is never helpful to the town. It is for these reasons that I believe SagaZ has a very high probability of being mafia, and is worthy of a lynching. July has posted 6 times since the game began (I'm excluding his edit explanation and apology), and he's made a solid point once. Look for yourself: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430766&user=July617The only useful contribution he's made was his response to Odin's confusing RNG plan. At the time Odin's confusing manner of communicating made it seem like the plan was to randomly select someone, lynch them, and call it a day. That ultimately wasn't what Odin was aiming for, but at the time it seemed that way and if July hadn't responded as he did someone else would have. Which brings us to his other 5 posts. They all say essentially the same thing, "I don't want to lynch anyone yet, let's wait and talk more." If everyone was jumping to conclusions in the first four hours istandwithmitt style that might have been fine, but with practically half our time spent he's still waiting for a sign from God (or is it the Godfather?). The only player who has contributed less is Balla24, who hasn't posted at all. Keeping his head this low, and trying to keep people deferring the lynching decision as long as possible, makes it a high probability that July617 is mafia. Until such time as either or both of these individuals has a convincing defense established, it's my preference that we lynch one of them over istandwithmitt, much as it pains me. While I respect and relate to your judgment of istandwithmitt, I think if there's ever a day where we can afford to lynch the weakest town instead of a mafia, it's day 1. If he's mafia at this point, then all is well. If he's town, then I think it's better we get rid of him now rather than let him end up in the final 3 and remain a target of suspicion - in addition to the possibility that his seemingly arbitrary reads could end up being the final deciding vote on who is mafia or not.
On October 16 2013 08:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
If the majority really wants to lynch Vonthin over istandwithmitt, I can't really stop it.
I still think istandwithmitt is the better lynch for today though as he is just going to be dead-weight unless he drastically changes his play.
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On October 18 2013 03:00 E00e wrote:
Seuss you said you are somewhat certain that there are 4 non-town players out there but you list only 3 people in your last post as non town.
There are three mafia and one serial killer. That's four.
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Whoops, totally missed my post where I said careful, but still i think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying.
Yes, SagaZ was clearly being careful with his vote. July could have possibly been being careful with his vote AS SCUM by not switching to Vonthin when he knew Vonthin was town, disagreeing with the vote to kill vonthin just makes his position set and thus even more careful. If he's town, he's not being careful I agree, but I just think you're not seeing the angle I'm seeing.
As far as the weak E00e attack... yeah it might be weak, but at least it's something. I'm glad you can see the future and play out all the situations in your head beforehand. And even if you see an easy defense, it's possible that player doesn't see it. Always good to apply pressure, however weak.
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On October 17 2013 13:17 Seuss wrote:
All that said, nyxnyxnyx might have made a next level play. Who'd suspect the guy who blindly followed Odin to murder him!
I want to think that this isn't the case because it just seems like it's too risky a play to make, but I'm not certain.
In light of the night's kills of confirmed town, my thoughts of OdinOfPergo being in mafia connections with nyxnyxnyx make little sense, however I still think it's possible that nyxnyxnyx was trying to buddy up to him. However, when OdinOfPergo made it clear he wasn't going to be easily pocketed and targeted suspicion on nyxnyxnyx, he could have become more of a liability than an asset. At this point, I think there is a lot of suspicion on nyxnyxnyx, and rightly so. However, I wouldn't immediately write him off as a SK without looking at his connections and reads, especially in the early game.
Early on in the first 6 pages, nyxnyxnyx was the target of suspicion from SagaZ. He was defended by Seuss, our confirmed town. Further, nyxnyxnyx jumped onto the train to vote istandwithmitt, even though he noted he didn't think istandwithmitt was mafia.
When Bereft questioned his vote here, he buddy'd up to OdinOfPergo, which resulted in a quick vote on nyxnyxnyx from Vonthin. nyxnyxnyx immediately responded by swapping his vote onto Vonthin. E00e responded by voting on nyxnyxnyx and placed secondary scum reads on onlywonderboy as well. (I think it wouldn't be too far out there if when a mafia pinged two people like this early on, the hard ping would go on a town and the soft ping on a mafia, noting a possible E00e-onlywonderboy connection).
A page later SagaZ chimes in that he thinks both nyxnyxnyx and Vonthin both appear scummy, in addition to elaborating on a detailed "serial killer theory" targeted at istandwithmitt. (which actually makes me want to think SagaZ a likely candidate for Serial Killer, although analyzing his connections would be important before we go down that road similar to what I am trying to do with nyxnyxnyx right now).
On page 18, we see activity from Balla24 rejecting a vote on July617/Vonthin and targeting nyxnyxnyx instead - and Seuss pinged this action for lacking in detail (given that we know Vonthin is town now, this could indicate a Balla24/July617 connection).
nyxnyxnyx posts again on page 19 after a long silence:
On October 16 2013 10:32 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Keep vote on Vonthin, we're voting againt each other. If he flips mafia you can work with that info, if he's town I'll have to make a new case for myself
OdinOfPergo pings him as suspicious (noting that it's possible this is where he believed OdinOfPergo was becoming a liability who couldn't be pocketed or buddy'd up to).
And page 20, we get this gem of either extremely poor town play, or suspicious behavior:
On October 16 2013 23:06 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
1. i wanted to go with whatever odin was going for. i have explained why in previous post. that was istandwithmitt
2. i put up the vote since i was gona sleep in a bit (vote would close at ~10am next morning, might not wake up before then)
3. people complained about my blind voting because i expressed that i personally did not think istandwithmitt was mafia (and i still think so). vonthin changed his vote to me on that feeling, and i thought well fuck you im voting you bitch
4. that is all
Further pings against nyxnyxnyx are made by SagaZ/OdinOfPero/Balla24/Seuss on page 20.
And with that, I'm going to summarize my thoughts so far because I think unless you think nyxnyxnyx is mafia with myself (who pinged him early on, then backed off and grew more suspicious of everyone else going so hard on him), he probably isn't mafia. It's possible one of the people going hard on him in this look-back is his mafia partner bus-ing him, but I think it's much more likely at this point that either he's acting alone as a Serial Killer or a misguided/unlucky town.
These are my comprehensive thoughts on nyxnyxnyx. More coming soon.
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On October 18 2013 03:14 Balla24 wrote:
It is not technically your fault. Playerboy should not have reacted the way he did. There's no way around that.
I don't see how you think this is insignificant though... I like how you are reacting but then again you should be willing to talk about it if you have nothing to hide. I don't have any further questions about it though. So I on't be pushing it further unless it becomes relevant again.
There is no vigi. Vigi is a straight up idiot if he shot either odin or playerboy.
You're under suspicion on playerboy because of the sole fact that you are the one who brought up the cop thing. You're right though, I should take a step back. ANYBODY who realized playerboy was cop based on his reaction could have killed him.
How do we know there's no vig? I'm rereading the role and it says they "may" choose a player to kill, it's possible they just didn't use their power.
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On October 18 2013 06:53 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 03:14 Balla24 wrote:
It is not technically your fault. Playerboy should not have reacted the way he did. There's no way around that.
I don't see how you think this is insignificant though... I like how you are reacting but then again you should be willing to talk about it if you have nothing to hide. I don't have any further questions about it though. So I on't be pushing it further unless it becomes relevant again.
There is no vigi. Vigi is a straight up idiot if he shot either odin or playerboy.
You're under suspicion on playerboy because of the sole fact that you are the one who brought up the cop thing. You're right though, I should take a step back. ANYBODY who realized playerboy was cop based on his reaction could have killed him. How do we know there's no vig? I'm rereading the role and it says they "may" choose a player to kill, it's possible they just didn't use their power.
yeah you're right.. i didn't mean it in that way, i just wanted to deflect the thought that either of the kills could have been made by a vigi
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On October 18 2013 02:08 Seuss wrote:- Bereft is clearly town, and one with a power role. Unfortunately, Bereft is a priority kill for the mafia now.
- istandwithmitt is also clearly town. I understand GGTeMpLaR's reservations, but I still believe his day 1 play was too erratic and attention-grabbing for him to be anything other than town. As a bonus, he's actually done pretty well since.
- July617 is another town. He voted for istandwithmitt just as Bereft and I started pushing to vote for Vonthin. This seemed like a scummy play attempting to deflect votes from Vonthin at the time. If July617 was mafia there'd be no reason for him to draw that kind of attention to himself.
- onlywonderboy is our penultimate town. While he hasn't posted as much as I'd like, every single one of his posts has been on point, succinct, and helpful.
- Obviously, I'm the final town. If you think I'm really scum you should run into your panic room and put on a tinfoil hat because Big Brother is watching you.
I think the only individual on this list I'm fully sold on at this point is Bereft. Even though I was growing suspicious of him at the end of Day 1 and it's possible he is scum who just faked getting Roleblock'd, the odds are not worth considering at this point when there's much better lynches and it's much more likely that he's a town at this point.
I'm not fully sold on istandwithmitt as town. I think it's likely if he was mafia, given how poorly he was playing, his mafia would have been more than willing to throw him under the bus at that point. There's a slight possibility of him as a Serial Killer at this point, but I'd say nyxnyxnyx is a much more likely choice.
That being said, I've liked July617 and onlywonderboy as probable town the entire game - granted the lack of quantity of their posting and reads makes me skeptical to consider them hard town reads.
Regarding onlywonderboy, I noted in my previous post a possible weak connection between onlywonderboy and E00e. Now, Balla24's most recent post throws himself and onlywonderboy together in a town circle with you, which creates a Balla24-onlywonderboy connection:
On October 18 2013 02:42 Balla24 wrote:
I would put onlywonderboy in a circle with me you bereft. I get a good feeling from him. He's playing very similarly to last game where he got lynched for it. Bereft might not be willing to let him slide for it again but I am. I think he would change a bit if he was scum.
At this point, it's worth going back to the early game and looking for any Balla24-onlywonderboy interactions or lack-there-of. They don't interact at all until page 20 where Balla24 calls onlywonderboy quiet and they don't give any reads on each other.
Balla24 then directly asks onlywonderboy of his thoughts on E00e/playerboy345 and onlywonderboy responds by placing heavy suspicion on playerboy345:
On October 17 2013 02:56 onlywonderboy wrote:
playerboy definitely seemed to overreact to that whole situation. Much like you I didn't read e00s post as a soft claim. I want to hear playerboy's reasoning as to why he read it as a soft claim. Simply bringing up a role doesn't mean you're soft claiming it. playerboy also seems to be lurking more than he did last game. Last game despite being mafia he was one of the first people to speak up and was active making a lot of people believe he was town (much like Odin this game). Something to explore but a little early to be making scum claims
Also, speaking of odin, I want to be careful we don't fall into the same trap we did last game. I was suspicious of playerboy early last game but sat on it because I didn't want to make enemies. I don't want to make the same mistake again. He's pushing july and nyx hard, which look goods on paper, but if either of them end up turning town if we lynch them, I think that looks bad for odin.
I think if there is a E00e/onlywonderboy/Balla24 mafia circle at this point, this post says a lot. He would clearly know July617 and nyxnyxnyx are town at this point and that if one of them flips town, him having said this could be used as an argument against playerboy345 in the next round. If nyxnyxnyx actually is the serial killer, he would still read him as town this game and nyxnyxnyx killing playerboy345 could have unintentionally thwarted his next-day preparations for suspicion on playerboy345.
For the rest of Day 1, onlywonderboy and Balla24 don't touch each other. At this point, going back and looking for more connections between E00e-onlywonderboy and E00e-Balla24 could provide useful information that could either affirm or deny my suspicions of this trio as a likely mafia circle.
Granted, I still need to analyze SagaZ and July617 as well at this point. To be continued.
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Oh and I missed this gem which is extremely relevant to my latest E00e/Balla24/onlywonderboy post.
On October 18 2013 02:29 Balla24 wrote:
On E00e. I was the first one to call him out on the "cop claim debacle" after playerboy's death. If you think he's scum then I'm not scum with him and vice versa. If it wasn't for him, playerboy might not have gotten shot last night (I do have some part to play in this, but by the time i got back I think the damage was already done) and we might have a check.
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On second thought, this might not be as strike as I thought. It could be Balla24/E00e bussing each other hard at the end of page 24 but it could also be likely they they are in fact not mafia together and it's merely only one of them.
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might not be as strong as I thought*
idk why I said strike.
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I didn't have any reason to interact with OWB... and I was afk for most of day1... so there's also that. When I got back, there was very little reason to. He wasn't relevant, under the radar with his lurker style.
I did forget to put him in my post about people i've played with before so yeah... fwiw i shared my info on him later.
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@GGTemplar
Thats not fair to me. I explicitly say that I dont want to discuss the cop thing again and i question Balla for saying that only one of us two could be mafia.
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On October 18 2013 07:29 E00e wrote:
@GGTemplar
Thats not fair to me. I explicitly say that I dont want to discuss the cop thing again and i question Balla for saying that only one of us two could be mafia.
I'm not condemning you as mafia right now. You're just in one of the mafia circles I've come up with as a possibility. Once I get around to including analysis of July617's and SagaZ's early game play, I'll likely have two or three mafia circles to work with with hopefully a possible overlap as being the most safe lynch for the day.
In all fairness though, you questioning Balla24 for saying that doesn't exactly clear you both from being mafia together.
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And by overlap, I simply mean that say my circles are (A, B, and C) as mafia or (C, D, and E) as mafia, C is obviously the safe lynch that day.
These are obviously not going to be infallible circles and I could be wrong, but they're the best I have to go with.
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On October 18 2013 07:09 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 06:53 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 18 2013 03:14 Balla24 wrote:
It is not technically your fault. Playerboy should not have reacted the way he did. There's no way around that.
I don't see how you think this is insignificant though... I like how you are reacting but then again you should be willing to talk about it if you have nothing to hide. I don't have any further questions about it though. So I on't be pushing it further unless it becomes relevant again.
There is no vigi. Vigi is a straight up idiot if he shot either odin or playerboy.
You're under suspicion on playerboy because of the sole fact that you are the one who brought up the cop thing. You're right though, I should take a step back. ANYBODY who realized playerboy was cop based on his reaction could have killed him. How do we know there's no vig? I'm rereading the role and it says they "may" choose a player to kill, it's possible they just didn't use their power. yeah you're right.. i didn't mean it in that way, i just wanted to deflect the thought that either of the kills could have been made by a vigi
Ah okay, just misunderstood. The C++ set up still confuses me so I thought maybe it was possible to know for sure there was no vig in the game.
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