EPTI've been trying my best to do so and everybody else should be too. You will have more fun! Seriously. Sorry for the somewhat offtopicness, but i'm impressed is all ^_^
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Balla24
2322 Posts
I've been trying my best to do so and everybody else should be too. You will have more fun! Seriously. Sorry for the somewhat offtopicness, but i'm impressed is all ^_^ | ||
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Balla24
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istandwithmitt
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 18 2013 13:46 istandwithmitt wrote: You guys need to seriously start making shorter posts. Who was the guy who scumslipped at the beginning of the day? We should lynch him. Falling back into old habits, eh? | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 18 2013 13:43 Balla24 wrote: However, on a note more in favor of my defense: I do want to try to get you guys to put more weight into the fact that lurking IS a legitimate scum tactic for these forum games. Hell, that's why literally every game starts with a discussion on policy lynching lurkers or afkers as a scare tactic against it. It's hard to combat. I am totally okay with murdering SagaZ based on this principle. On October 18 2013 13:46 istandwithmitt wrote: You guys need to seriously start making shorter posts. Who was the guy who scumslipped at the beginning of the day? We should lynch him. Welcome back. Who do you think scumslipped? | ||
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July617
United States72 Posts
Yes but even then I don't think this game is five levels deep, (I know it's not something that should be said but we shouldn't try and over assume anything, that's how town get's lynched like day 1 (yeah I could of stopped it but i didn't and i messed up and i apologize for that, and I think lynching bad town isn't something we can afford to do anymore) , and we can't afford any more miss-lynches . Now with that said yes it could apply to wonderboy and E00e, which comes out to four potential town - Of this my read is 40 - 50 percent, not a strong number i know, but realistically speaking what if they are? What's to say that they're not, couldn't it always be a possibility? (Yes I know that isn't a safe way to play but it's the only one coming from myself that i believe in enough to post to contribute something to the game.) | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
First of all the night kills. I am not as sure as you guys that mafia killed odin and SK killed player... I agree Odin was killed by mafia, but that looks like a horrible plan when Bereft is still in game, maybe they were fishing for blue idk? Odin was against nyx and july, but drawing conclusion from that is way too obvious... I'm pretty sure it's something else but I can't grasp it. SK killed player, why? I tough player looked mafia so I hope it is because SK was fishing for mafia. I will adress Seus post now. I think you are mistaken in some aspects. First of all me being mafia; I think I have been very transparent with my actions, of I still look like mafia then I don't really know what to do. I don't know what you mean by sucking up to you, you are the confirmed town, I was doing my best to follow your train of toughs when you gave town a direction, which we lacked at that point. My voting on day 1 may look confusing, my vote on mitt was not an actual sheep vote, I pushed a SK theory (more on that later) and wanted to see what others tough about it. Then you specifically asked to change votes from him, and I pushed onto July cause frankly at that point Vonthin was looking like a bandwagon, just like mitt was earlier. Finally since there was no steam I went with Vonthin to be absolutely sure we wouldn't see a swing in votes to mitt. I've been on the nyx train since he posted his sheeping on Odin, and I still am. I tough that player was very scummy for going very hard on a minor mistake. I didn't particularly tried to defend E00e with it. Now I disagree completely with your town reads on July and Onlywonderboy. July I gave my reasons before, there was huge contradiction and I don't think him not jumping trains really make up for it. And Onlywonderboy, I mean how on earth does this guy looks town to anyone? Has been sitting on the fence for everything day 1, only said he tough mitt was a bad town and hopped into vonthin. he's been practically just say yes seuss nice work, i agree the whole game and more recently is posting that SK shot Odin and mafia shot player??? I don't know if I'm crazy or what but that looks so scummy to me. Nyx looks downright scum and not SK to me, sheeping onto some1 has a SK doesn't seem very right since he has no clue who that person alignment is, mafia on the other hand... Also you put GGtemplar on your town list, the majority of his activity has been today, and he looks like the only person trying to bring activity to the town, that is good to me. But on the other hand, I really dislike how he is drawing these sub clans on the town, saying this is circle 1, this circle 2. I wouldn't be so quick to see him as town. Lastly and this is important, I want to bring back the mitt is SK that I stated on day 1. This is how I see it: Assuming SK takes cop immunity, he has to appear town enough so he doesn't get lynched, but town enough so he can bait a cop check and doesn't get shot by mafia at night. And mitt is extremely fitting the model. Now after the close lynch he had to play a bit more town. SK killed player IMO, and player was the only one to read and comment on my SK theory when I proposed it, even if he thinks it's wrong, he tough about it enough to post about it, he can't shoot me cause that would make it too apparent, but he can shoot the only guy that tough about it. I recognize that this is a deep play that involves mitt not backing off his stance while he was on the frying pan and pull trough, and also that thing about player might be just smoke. But for some reason it makes sense to me, maybe I am trying too hard to find sense in player's death and mitt's early game play style. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
Balla24 (1): Bereft nyxnyxnyx (1): Seuss Not voting (8): GGTeMpLaR, Balla24, SagaZ, onlywonderboy, July617, nyxnyxnyx, E00e, istandwithmitt Currently, Balla24 is set to be lynched. to deadline. Remember, voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. | ||
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istandwithmitt
Brazil117 Posts
On October 18 2013 13:55 Seuss wrote: I am totally okay with murdering SagaZ based on this principle. Welcome back. Who do you think scumslipped? The guy who was like "woah there has to be an SK because playerboy died" when there's no way to differentiate scum/SK or a vig kill. Obviously knew that the other kill was from the mafia. I can go back & look but~~ | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:25 SagaZ wrote: I want to give a big and heartfelt apologize to the town, this day has been dramatically bad and busy. it is almost 3.30 am and i have to wake up at 6 tomorrow. I'm in no condition to make super detailed analysis but I'll give my toughs on what's going on so far. Fortunately I'll be home earlier tomorow. First of all the night kills. I am not as sure as you guys that mafia killed odin and SK killed player... I agree Odin was killed by mafia, but that looks like a horrible plan when Bereft is still in game, maybe they were fishing for blue idk? Odin was against nyx and july, but drawing conclusion from that is way too obvious... I'm pretty sure it's something else but I can't grasp it. SK killed player, why? I tough player looked mafia so I hope it is because SK was fishing for mafia. Why do you think Bereft was/is a better target than Odin? Odin was the driving force of conversation for most of the day, and did a fairly decent job applying pressure to people he thought were scum. He might have been off the scent Day 1, but that was going to get dangerous if he lived. Like I said to onlywonderboy, don't overthink it. Killing the most dangerous town and blocking the second most dangerous town was a simple, straightforward, and highly effective play. Because we tunneled so hard on istandwithmitt and Vonthin we didn't really gain as much information from the vote as we should have. With so many lurkers/busy people killing the active town is a very effective way for the mafia to win. I don't know which of us will die tonight, but I'm fairly certain both Bereft and I will be gone by Day 4. When we're gone it's going to be GGTeMpLaR and Balla24 talking back and forth while the rest of you keep waiting for a burning bush to tell you who the scum are. Heaven help the town if the SK decides to end the game early, makes a good guess, and we lose both Bereft and me tonight. So for the love of Marlon Brando, everyone needs to be posting more and dithering less. On October 18 2013 15:25 SagaZ wrote: I will adress Seus post now. I think you are mistaken in some aspects. First of all me being mafia; I think I have been very transparent with my actions, of I still look like mafia then I don't really know what to do. I don't know what you mean by sucking up to you, you are the confirmed town, I was doing my best to follow your train of toughs when you gave town a direction, which we lacked at that point. My voting on day 1 may look confusing, my vote on mitt was not an actual sheep vote, I pushed a SK theory (more on that later) and wanted to see what others tough about it. Then you specifically asked to change votes from him, and I pushed onto July cause frankly at that point Vonthin was looking like a bandwagon, just like mitt was earlier. Finally since there was no steam I went with Vonthin to be absolutely sure we wouldn't see a swing in votes to mitt. I've been on the nyx train since he posted his sheeping on Odin, and I still am. I tough that player was very scummy for going very hard on a minor mistake. I didn't particularly tried to defend E00e with it. Now I disagree completely with your town reads on July and Onlywonderboy. July I gave my reasons before, there was huge contradiction and I don't think him not jumping trains really make up for it. And Onlywonderboy, I mean how on earth does this guy looks town to anyone? Has been sitting on the fence for everything day 1, only said he tough mitt was a bad town and hopped into vonthin. he's been practically just say yes seuss nice work, i agree the whole game and more recently is posting that SK shot Odin and mafia shot player??? I don't know if I'm crazy or what but that looks so scummy to me. Nyx looks downright scum and not SK to me, sheeping onto some1 has a SK doesn't seem very right since he has no clue who that person alignment is, mafia on the other hand... Also you put GGtemplar on your town list, the majority of his activity has been today, and he looks like the only person trying to bring activity to the town, that is good to me. But on the other hand, I really dislike how he is drawing these sub clans on the town, saying this is circle 1, this circle 2. I wouldn't be so quick to see him as town. Lastly and this is important, I want to bring back the mitt is SK that I stated on day 1. This is how I see it: Assuming SK takes cop immunity, he has to appear town enough so he doesn't get lynched, but town enough so he can bait a cop check and doesn't get shot by mafia at night. And mitt is extremely fitting the model. Now after the close lynch he had to play a bit more town. SK killed player IMO, and player was the only one to read and comment on my SK theory when I proposed it, even if he thinks it's wrong, he tough about it enough to post about it, he can't shoot me cause that would make it too apparent, but he can shoot the only guy that tough about it. I recognize that this is a deep play that involves mitt not backing off his stance while he was on the frying pan and pull trough, and also that thing about player might be just smoke. But for some reason it makes sense to me, maybe I am trying too hard to find sense in player's death and mitt's early game play style. "Sucking up" was a little bit of flavor, don't read too much into it. But you defer to me way more than anyone else in the game. Nobody else brings up my confirmed status the way you do, or quite as often. It's getting late and I can't give you the full response I want. It's time for me to sleep. I'll talk more when I return. Before I completely disappear, I would like to reemphasize my nyxnyxnyx vote. While SagaZ is still on my mafia list, he's at least having a conversation with me which I can analyze. He might convince me he's town, at which point my next preferred target is nyxnyxnyx. Be prepared to participate and defend yourself. E00e shouldn't get too comfortable either. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:58 istandwithmitt wrote: The guy who was like "woah there has to be an SK because playerboy died" when there's no way to differentiate scum/SK or a vig kill. Obviously knew that the other kill was from the mafia. I can go back & look but~~ There's no such post. The closest I could find was this: On October 17 2013 11:30 Bereft wrote: ok, so looks like we have an SK. or potentially a vig. though vig is a quite unlikely imo as I don't see any town vig shooting playerboy N1 save for maybe mitt. mitt, you vig? also, I have been roleblocked. Except he explicitly brings up the potential for a vig, even though he doesn't think it likely. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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E00e
88 Posts
The way you wrote that sounds fake to me and you are trying to look town by being sacrificial. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
On October 18 2013 10:18 July617 wrote: Sorry guys, quick post - long day, need a shower. Bereft that's a good framework of thinking, i'm just asking questions here, but if the same were said about you what's your defense to that? Balla I hope you've got a defense as well . this post is bizarre. why would I post a rebuttal to my own case? to do so would only feed Balla material for his own defense. I did explicitly state that if fellow townies disagreed with me and felt that they could see themselves doing the same thing to let me know. what's your opinion on this? do YOU think it's a scum slip or a justified course of action for town? | ||
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Bereft
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:58 istandwithmitt wrote: The guy who was like "woah there has to be an SK because playerboy died" when there's no way to differentiate scum/SK or a vig kill. Obviously knew that the other kill was from the mafia. I can go back & look but~~ @istandwithmitt: You realize that the person who did that (Bereft) is very likely confirmed town, unless he's lying about his RB or a townie roleblocked him, and it's been a whole 24hours with no counter claims so that chance goes up even higher. Plus, there's certainly a way to differentiate between vig kill and other kills just based on information you have elsewhere. On top of that, the possible slip was because he assumed playerboy was killed by SK and mafia killed Odin right away. Regardless, it doesn't matter, since he was roleblocked. Do you really think it's reasonable to not believe the roleblock with no counter-claims? On October 18 2013 22:18 Bereft wrote: this post is bizarre. why would I post a rebuttal to my own case? to do so would only feed Balla material for his own defense. I did explicitly state that if fellow townies disagreed with me and felt that they could see themselves doing the same thing to let me know. what's your opinion on this? do YOU think it's a scum slip or a justified course of action for town? On top of that, he's literally doing exactly what you deemed as a scum slip to vote me. Except even I wouldn't interrupt a case like that. His next post is odd too, don't you think? On October 18 2013 14:29 July617 wrote: Nyx and mitt's voting style is going to screw with town if they are town, and my thought's are that i'm sure they are 70% town, why? Simply because of the bad voting style, would mafia (if they were) vote so poorly? This is a contradiction in itself. If their voting styles are bad and will screw with town, then they are mafia because they aren't helping town? What? That's like saying "man this guys posting sucks and he's really not pro-town, so he's probably not scum because scum would think better". No. That's not logical. How do you hunt for scum then July, pls explain? | ||
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Balla24
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 18 2013 16:40 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i'm a vanilla townie, for realsies. voting me out would end the game right away, though i will go along with the vote if you and Bereft agree on it. Seuss... i'm on board and I think you just need a bit more support to get things rolling. I'm very comfortable using my vote like this as there is a good 10 hours or so before the vote. I realize that I am under heavy suspicion right now and casting my vote first even before other supposed townies is strange, but we need to get discussion started. ##vote: nyxnyxnyx Nyx, this defense is even worse than no defense. You haven't said anything in regards to the night actions, and your accusations on day2 (hell you didn't even say much about your accusations on day1). Gives us more. | ||
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E00e
88 Posts
I realize this might give additional support to the Balla-e00E connection but I dont think I should not vote for my anti-town read just because it might put suspicion on me. I still think that if we are very sure about a different mafia and think nyx is the SK we should lynch the Mafia first. ##vote: nyxnyxnyx | ||
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