This post actually makes me believe SagaZ is town. He's right, I've been been way too quiet and have been coasting for most of this game. I've been quick to follow Seuss because he's town and I know he's an incredibly analytic thinker, but that's way too passive play and doesn't really do much to help the town. I tried to get some discussion going with differentiating the mafia/SK kill, but that broke down quick and it turned out I was likely wrong. Honestly I'm as surprised as him I'm flown under the radar and really that's just bad play on my part. I'm still working on rereading the pages to try and get more scum tells, but I can at least put forth I think SagaZ is town based off this post.

Gah... OWB you are literally the most bland townie player ever haha. You shouldn't have backed down from your pressure just because he calls you out. Stop being a pussy man ^_^.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 18 2013 16:47 GMT

#565

Alright, fuck this, I'm going aggro in my next post.

LoneMeow

Finland1396 Posts

October 18 2013 17:16 GMT

#566

Life of vote (slave) count:

Balla24 (1): Bereft
nyxnyxnyx (3): Seuss, Balla24, E00e
Bereft (1): istandwithmitt
onlywonderboy (1): SagaZ
E00e (1): nyxnyxnyx

Not voting (3): GGTeMpLaR, onlywonderboy, July617

Currently, nyxnyxnyx is set to be lynched.
to deadline. Remember, voting is mandatory!

If there are errors, please let us know.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 18 2013 17:20 GMT

#567

I think a possible mafia combination is July/nyx/x. It seems unlikely to have two mafia players lurking so much, but they could easily be relying on the third mafia player to be the active face of their team. Nyx came under a lot of suspicion based on the way his voting went down (switching to Vonith for little reason and then him turning town). Plus him and July were getting pressured heavily by Odin. July actually goes out of his way to defend nyx's vote because it would be a bad play for the mafia. I mean, in a vacuum it makes him look suspicious, but the bandwagon on that vote was pretty strong maybe they thought it wouldn't be too hard to hide among the other townie voters. Also there is the possibility nyx could act as a martyr for the an active mafia player to gain tons of credibility in the town. I mean clearly it's not the cleanest play on the mafia's part, but having two players come under suspicion by Odin early could definitely make them panic.

It's certainly a different theory than most people have brought up, but even if I'm wrong the conversation that spawns around it can certainly be valuable.

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

October 18 2013 17:27 GMT

#568

gonna say it again, voting for me is a mistake. gona sleep now

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

October 18 2013 17:29 GMT

#569

On October 19 2013 02:27 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
gonna say it again, voting for me is a mistake. gona sleep now

You're probably going to be dead when you wake up.

We can't really afford to have two istandwithmitts this game.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 18 2013 17:47 GMT

#570

On October 19 2013 02:27 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
gonna say it again, voting for me is a mistake. gona sleep now

If you're gonna go to sleep.... well you're probably gonna die. But at least tell us why you would prefer lynching E00 over someone else...

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

October 18 2013 17:49 GMT

#571

its my first time playing any sort of mafia game, so i defer to the better judgment of whoever seems decent at the game.
i've explained my logic before for sheeping (chaos = bad, trusting blindly lets you play with more 'information' at the risk of the guy you blindly trusted being scum).

town had a bad start with mislynch + 2 kills, so i would think our only hope would be for there to be a mafia lynch this round, possibly led by the two 'better' players. if the aforementioned 'better' players cannot differentiate between scum and me, then there is no hope for town anyway. i stand by my E00e vote, though it's mostly symbolic. i have no idea who the fuck is town or scum, just not me.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 18 2013 17:58 GMT

#572

Good, it's a start.

How do you expect "two better players" to differentiate between scum and you if you

1) Don't explain yourself and answer questions.
2) Continue to do scum things like "voting symbolically" without making your own opinion because you don't read the thread enough.

Again, we are ALL new to this game. The only player who has played more than 3 games is Bereft, and he's played what... 4? For most people, this is their first or second game. It's not an excuse.

For example... why wouldn't you vote me instead of E00e if it's just a symbolic vote? We are both voting you... what difference does it make?

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 18 2013 17:59 GMT

#573

I definitely felt a similar sense of helplessness when I played my first game. I mean I realize we shouldn't just believe him because he says he's not mafia, but speaking from personal experience I know it's very possible for this type of thing to happen for someone playing town in their first game.

So let's entertain the idea that nyx is possibly a player new to the game that dug himself a hole that he can't get out of. Are there any other potential targets that we would be comfortable going for, or is there just no other possible option?

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

October 18 2013 18:01 GMT

#574

@Balla, I think you're underestimating the difference between a player's first game and their second game. Again, it doesn't completely exonerate nyx by any means, but I know I definitely feel WAY more comfortable this game than I did last game.

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

October 18 2013 18:02 GMT

#575

if it makes you happy

##unvote

##Vote: Balla24

like i said, no difference to me. i'm basically blind since the 2 people i'm following (Bereft and Seuss, after Odin's death) have not voted / are voting for me.

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

October 18 2013 18:02 GMT

#576

anyway, 2:02 am, peace for real.

Balla24

2322 Posts

October 18 2013 18:02 GMT

#577

Sure... there are tons of possible options. I'm uneasy with July, i'd like to pressure him, but he also doesn't seem to be around. You had a scum read on SagaZ and same with Seuss. GGTemplar isn't around, istandwithmitt had a read on him. There are tons of options, pressure them. I'm busy right now so i'm just skimming so i'm not ready to make a case for anybody atm. Feel free to do so.

Bereft

United States1007 Posts

October 18 2013 18:02 GMT

#578

Seuss, what did you think about my e00e case? personally while I feel there's a good case nyx is SK, I'm not sure if I'm fully sold on it yet.

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

October 18 2013 18:38 GMT

#579

On October 19 2013 03:02 Bereft wrote:
Seuss, what did you think about my e00e case? personally while I feel there's a good case nyx is SK, I'm not sure if I'm fully sold on it yet.

I'm already of the opinion he's mafia. I think this is just corroborating evidence. He may even be their roleblocker, but that's would just be a lucky streak.

I think at this point we should decide between nyxnyxnyx and E00e for lynches. Whether or not nyxnyxnyx is SK he's been particularly unhelpful. I've stated my reasons for thinking E00e is mafia, and Bereft has a fairly decent point about E00e not getting roleblocked when there was a chance he was a cop.

Bereft

United States1007 Posts

October 18 2013 18:45 GMT

#580

On October 18 2013 14:29 July617 wrote:
Nyx and mitt's voting style is going to screw with town if they are town, and my thought's are that i'm sure they are 70% town, why? Simply because of the bad voting style, would mafia (if they were) vote so poorly?

Yes but even then I don't think this game is five levels deep, (I know it's not something that should be said but we shouldn't try and over assume anything, that's how town get's lynched like day 1 (yeah I could of stopped it but i didn't and i messed up and i apologize for that, and I think lynching bad town isn't something we can afford to do anymore) , and we can't afford any more miss-lynches .

Now with that said yes it could apply to wonderboy and E00e, which comes out to four potential town - Of this my read is 40 - 50 percent, not a strong number i know, but realistically speaking what if they are? What's to say that they're not, couldn't it always be a possibility?

(Yes I know that isn't a safe way to play but it's the only one coming from myself that i believe in enough to post to contribute something to the game.)

July, I take it from this post that by process of elimination GGTemplar, Sagaz, and Balla are your scum reads? what's your response to my case on Balls? (since you brought it up previously yet stated no opinion)