Thug Life Mini Mafia

On September 27 2013 00:28 hiro protagonist wrote:

I would Recommend, should Gmashal grant a ban, that Panda be replaced in, and have Zealos /sitout the game. just my 2 cents.

so long sense my last Mafia game, I cant wait to play!

On September 27 2013 05:24 Palmar wrote:
I'm member of one of the mafia teams. I'm requesting one person from the other team PM me, or if that's not allowed, just claim in the thread so we can work together.

On September 27 2013 05:28 Palmar wrote:
So I'm assuming you're from the other team VE.

We need to work together to frame some poor fuck and get him lynched. We need someone sufficiently dumb, yet loud, maybe yamato?

On September 27 2013 05:33 yamato77 wrote:

Oh, VE.

Wanna get lynched?

On September 27 2013 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Actually Palmar are you down with a random lynch this game? I kind of want to random lynch.

On September 27 2013 05:36 yamato77 wrote:

You will approve of nothing for town when you claim scum.

On September 27 2013 05:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
This will be my only post for a few hours:

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Fucking rolled town again. I fucking hate town.
I can't decide whether to play this game fucking hardcore and try to win and then be disappointed in the general stupidity and lurk and then eventually lose and cry, or whether I should just not fucking bother right off the bat. There are a few factors at work here.

Maybe this is great because scum PHEER ME in every game all of a sudden, so once I town the fuck out of everybody in the thread I'll be dead N1. Especially when I don't use my vest. I also KNOW THINGS---many of the people in this thread are also still in Noire, and while I'll have to watch what I say and how I do it, members of this game: know that I KNOW. I will be able to use my knowledge to get things done in this game. Maybe it will make a difference. I know this game is stacked full of power players so one would think that even facing off against 2 strong scumteams that town SHOULD have a chance, but I just don't know if that's true. Above all, I'm just sad that once again, I DON'T HAVE A GODDAMN GUN TO ELIMINATE ALL THE INEVITABLE USELESS SHIT FROM MY MOTHERFUCKING TOWN.

Guess we'll find out what kind of game I feel like playing. I kinda feel like VA in that regard. At least kush isn't in here.

On September 27 2013 05:52 Palmar wrote:
Who gave WoS a high horse and why is he on it?

On September 27 2013 05:53 yamato77 wrote:

Postgame of Golden Sun.

Plus he got shot N1 in a big game.

Contrary to VE, I find it quite fitting for town WoS to act this way.

On September 27 2013 06:03 Koshi wrote:

Ok cool. You roll the dice ->random.org<-
Who is it?

On September 27 2013 06:04 Grackaroni wrote:

I read a previous game where Palmar had a website dedicated for the lynch where we set aside a time and when it hits that time the player it lands on is who we lynch.

On September 27 2013 05:59 yamato77 wrote:

Do you REALLY think scum would claim scum?

Townies are stupid.

On September 27 2013 06:19 yamato77 wrote:

I legitimately think you are mafia.

You could also be trolling, but more importantly, you are mafia.

On September 27 2013 06:21 Grackaroni wrote:

I have no idea what I would do just a genuine curiosity. all 3 are wrong by the way random lynches are pro-town. Palmar thinks so as well.

On September 27 2013 06:42 Koshi wrote:
Let's be amazed by the star power in this game. No reason we peasants fight under each other.

##unvote

On September 27 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:

random lynch =/= finding scum

if you'd like to explain how it is, i'd be happy to not call you completely full of shit

On September 27 2013 07:17 Blazinghand wrote:
i duno man koshi is a mystery

On September 27 2013 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:

No but just saying "lynch Palmar" isn't a random lynch either dude. Like, obviously. So he's advocating a random lynch that's not a random lynch. Does that sound like something scum would take the initiative to do?

Conversely, could you see a town-aligned Grack doing something like that to try and see who votes Palmar?

It's null as fuck dude.

On September 27 2013 07:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I see the argument for a random lynch. Not all scum will argue against it if it happens to land on scum, since they won't know it's on scum (half of them). Also, given the skewed town/scum ratio this game (6 scum in a game of 19 players) we're more likely than normal to hit scum. I'd be in favor of this. How should we implement it?

On September 27 2013 07:42 Blazinghand wrote:
Jesus man, chill out. We're like a couple hours in, and floating the random lynch idea is imo not a bad strat. If there's ever a game where random lynch is a good idea, it would be this game, don't you admit? High numbers of uncoordinated scum! Plus, my observation that you don't deserve a townread for opposing what is potentially a very threatening idea for scum is accurate.

On September 27 2013 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:


see yamato doesn't actually think i'm claiming scum. he's too afraid to go up against a strong town player since he is scum and knows he will lose.

On September 27 2013 07:52 yamato77 wrote:

that's a singular reason among the glut of BH calling me mafia for everything I'm doing (and not doing).

And btw it's actually a town tell.

On September 27 2013 08:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the people that are vehemently against random lynches aren't against them because they think I am trying to avoid analysis. They are likely afraid of the random lynch. It is so much easier for mafia to pressure a less experienced player and push the lynch off their team and on to that player.

On September 27 2013 08:08 yamato77 wrote:

I like how you're putting words in my mouth and assuming town never lynches scum D1. It's because of players like you that townies get lynched.

Anyway, I'm actually off.

On September 27 2013 08:19 Palmar wrote:
Btw, Vivax logic tells us we should lynch people who have less than X amount of posts in the thread so far. Vivax logic is some of the best logic I've encountered on TL Mafia.

I'll read this mess tomorrow

On September 27 2013 08:56 Grackaroni wrote:

hahaha you accuse me every single game you cannot read me for shit. How about you go and read through Yamato's posts and tell me.

On September 27 2013 09:22 Grackaroni wrote:

It has to do with my history with Palmar. I frequently find myself as his first scum read and it annoys me.

On September 27 2013 12:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Defeatist whiney bullshit aside, I'm taking that as a vote for RNG lynch.

I consider this a real topic of discussion now and want everyone to assent or deny lynching via RNG.

On September 27 2013 12:52 Oatsmaster wrote:

Whats your read on Palmar?

On September 27 2013 14:36 Pandain wrote:
Wow so ignored.

On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:

We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day.

On September 27 2013 16:12 Grackaroni wrote:
What's the ruling on how much time we have to wait until we can vote RoL for being a lurking scum? Is it soon?

On September 27 2013 16:15 Grackaroni wrote:

Because he's RoL. I feel his scumminess in my bones.

On September 27 2013 22:09 yamato77 wrote:

I don't care much about this grack lynch anymore. It's too overtalked for my liking.

Now we're lynching this dude for refusing to play the game.

##Unvote
##Vote VayneAuthority

On September 28 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
VE whiteknighting me.
YAY

It was my fault rayn in Golden Sun, although nothing about big cases.

On September 28 2013 00:44 Palmar wrote:
Oh VE is back, sweet, I don't have to do anything then.

We killing yamato? I'm in.

##Unvote
##Vote yamato77

On September 28 2013 00:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
VE are you mafia? I expected mafia to jump all over that vote on oats.

And look, you're jumping all over it.

On September 28 2013 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote:


yea, hence why I brought up the yamato filter. But I don't think its a good enough reason to lynch some one by itself. There should be some sort of explanation for the yamato votes but I don't see much of any.

On September 28 2013 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE, does Palmar have to call you town even when he is scum and you are town?

On September 28 2013 00:49 VayneAuthority wrote:


I saw it. There's a lot of people not trying to find scum right now, myself included. The thread is going nowhere fast.

We already have 3 people in this game trying to grudge vote me or something and I really doubt they are all scum, so not alignment indicative for me right now.

On September 28 2013 00:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


It's probably the easiest thing for scum to pick out. If you were town, you'd have realized that it was bait for somebody to call me out on it, and I figured if Oats was mafia he'd be like WOW obvious scum here. I get the best reads when people think I'm scum--Speaking of which, do check noir I want to know your read of me there.

On September 28 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Afaik Palmar is really good in reading you, correct?
If he is scum and you are town, does he need to call you town unless he wants you to find him out? I mean, is it possible for him to fake suspicion on you as scum.

On September 28 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He's clearly avoiding you. scum.

On September 28 2013 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It was a joke VE. :p

My problem with Palmar is his stance on yamato. No other problems.

On September 28 2013 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah Vayne cares about his scumgame way more than his towngame.
I feel really good about VA lynch today.
At worst, policy 'cuz I don't like his play in most games, and at best, scum.
Win-win.

GOGO VOTE VA

On September 28 2013 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote:

Nope, because in any given game i will always be more useful than you, attitude aside.

VE, my first post regarding yamato then, do you think it's coming from a scum place?

On September 28 2013 01:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
And VE, why do you not like a VA lynch? Do you have a read on him?

On September 28 2013 02:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I haven't read your points on Yamato, VE.

From what I can see in Yamato's filter, he is yelling at people for wanting to RNG lynch and telling people to find scum. He then does a spite lynch on VA. Does this seem counter-intuitive to you, VE? In Noir Yamato was obviously town, this seems a bit different to me.

On September 27 2013 07:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I see the argument for a random lynch. Not all scum will argue against it if it happens to land on scum, since they won't know it's on scum (half of them). Also, given the skewed town/scum ratio this game (6 scum in a game of 19 players) we're more likely than normal to hit scum. I'd be in favor of this. How should we implement it?

On September 28 2013 04:27 WaveofShadow wrote:

So you think BH is scum for it?
And you're voting Koshi?

I'm really not following you VE.

On September 28 2013 04:31 Blazinghand wrote:
um yeah i was in favor of rng lynch not any more, i found ppl i wanted to lynch

like honestly I could have rnged at any time but first yamato then FT seemed like a better idea to me than rnging a lynch. I figured I'd defuse the whole "rng" situation by actually rolling the dice so that people would get on my FT wagon. just like how a policy lynch seems like a good idea until you have a scumread, so too the rng lynch seems.

also yeah FT is obviously trying to appease me, very funny FT

On September 28 2013 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote:

Why would he need to test the waters when Oats and Rayn had voted for me and so many other people were openly suspicious?

Like...I remember calling Grack out for this in GS and this doesn't look like quite the same thing. Even mroe perplexing will be that supposedly Koshi says he will be away until after lynch so we may not get any more info out of him.

On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._.

On September 28 2013 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote:

He is mega lynchbait, BH, but I do believe the scum narrative holds a little more water here.


How so? Is Koshi the kind of player to 'respect the vets?' Not to mention I'm pretty sure YOU were one of the people openly suspicious of me as well---what would a scum Koshi need to vote for me?

On September 28 2013 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:

I'm down for a yamato lynch.

On September 28 2013 04:19 strongandbig wrote:
Also, I think one thing scum players love to do is give advice and not follow it:

On September 28 2013 05:02 Blazinghand wrote:

._. no lies happened noob

On September 28 2013 05:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Like I changed my mind man. It happens.

On September 28 2013 05:45 Blazinghand wrote:
So reading koshi's filter is a pain. He's still doing lots of one-liners, as he did before. Less interactions/asking/questions/taking stands, which seems bad. FT and yamato both higher prio imo

On September 28 2013 05:49 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not lying about his filter being a pain. And reading golden sun for a comparison filter? ack.

btw if we end up rando lynching Koshi i take all credit as king of the rando lynch

On September 28 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote:

Remember when you said I accuse you every game? Same goes for you, pal.

I think you're actually town given some revelation I had recently about your play, so it would be nice if you didn't vote me before I have really had a chance to read over the thread once it had enough posts to actually make sense of. But I've read the thread now and you seem like you want to tunnel me do whatever. Hopefully you stop.

On September 28 2013 06:15 yamato77 wrote:

Yeah, but what about WoS?

What does his vote tell you about his alignment so far?

On September 28 2013 06:19 Blazinghand wrote:

i don't see a vote

On September 28 2013 06:22 Blazinghand wrote:
like imo this weird posturing from yamato just makes him look scummier. I think he's trying to feel for some kind of wagon on me, or maybe discredit me? Like, if he really thinks I'm scum, why wouldn't he just vote me? yamato is very aggressive and a town yamato wouldn't hesitate.

On September 28 2013 06:23 yamato77 wrote:

You are quite retarded as town.

On September 28 2013 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote:

How so? Is Koshi the kind of player to 'respect the vets?' Not to mention I'm pretty sure YOU were one of the people openly suspicious of me as well---what would a scum Koshi need to vote for me?

On September 28 2013 07:09 yamato77 wrote:

What do you want to know about snb?

His Palmar post is alright, but his entrance post is shitty since all he talked about was RNG. I know he's limited on time or whatever, but even if he thinks Palmar is mafia, does he think that post alone is enough to lynch him?

On September 28 2013 07:17 Koshi wrote:
LoL I am going to get lynched due the retardness of that rng shit and some people saying I dont post enough. Jeez. Morons everywhere. But what do you want with so much scum.

On September 28 2013 07:18 Koshi wrote:
And wtf is this about respecting the vets?

On September 28 2013 07:20 Koshi wrote:
I also hope you are scum BH. I actually hope everybody that "believes" in this rng thing is scum. Sadly it seems with yamato probably being scum you fuckers are town rofl.

On September 28 2013 07:39 Koshi wrote:
And even if he isnt scum. I should never get this amount of shit. Anyway, I got like 6 hours sleep left on a fuciing friday. And wont be around too much tomorrow. Sadly enough I will have to because you are all fuckers.

On September 28 2013 07:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
I wouldn't be so sure of that; half the game has yet to really start playing yet. There's still a shit ton of votes out there.

On September 28 2013 08:17 yamato77 wrote:

It makes sense to question why Palmar voted for me.

On September 28 2013 08:20 strongandbig wrote:

Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It
This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't.

On September 28 2013 08:24 yamato77 wrote:

he definitely mentioned the vote as something scummy

whatever VE.

On September 28 2013 08:20 strongandbig wrote:

Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It
This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't.

On September 28 2013 08:46 yamato77 wrote:
I assume you mean my read of Palmar. in that case, I withhold judgement until I see his re entrance to the thread. Him voting me isn't enough to make me downgrade my read on him on its own.

SNB's post says more about SNB than it does Palmar tbh. He's obviously reading the thread fairly closely, but I'm not sold on his heuristic of "not following one's own advice" or whatever. It doesn't influence my read of Palmar much more than reinforcing my question of his voting action.

On September 28 2013 10:07 Palmar wrote:
I am almost certain I had made a mental note about something Koshi said that made him look like town, so I think he's not a good lynch.

On September 28 2013 10:28 Palmar wrote:


Do I have to it's awful?

Not tonight at least.

On September 28 2013 10:39 Palmar wrote:


Can I play too?

On September 28 2013 11:14 Grackaroni wrote:
Let's see some scum teams Palmar, if they are better than mine I will award you 10 Grack points.
+20 if one of the teams includes yourself.

On September 23 2013 05:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits.

On September 29 2013 00:01 Grackaroni wrote:

It's more for Koshi then for you so feel free not to.

On September 29 2013 03:33 Palmar wrote:
Whatever I need to go.

Rol, hiro, yamato, ft are good lynches.

Afk ppl are ok too. So is kosher.

Rest is bad idea.

On September 29 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

What do you mean is your vote needed?
Obviously at this point one of them is getting lynched, who would you rather lynch? That is where your vote is needed.

##Vote: yamato
If yamato flips scum it means my first post regarding suspicion of his early game posts was correct but I still feel like this is simply sheeping. Although it's not like that wasn't what I was doing re:Koshi lol.

On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Anyone who supports RNG, myself included, should still scumhunt and make full use of the day. There is still much to say and much to find. Anyone who stops scumhunting should be subject to lynch as well.

On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:
should be subject to lynch as well.

On September 29 2013 07:35 austinmcc wrote:
Howdy all. Replacing in, will be able to get reading and posting towards the end of this night or the start of D2.

Something is happening.

On October 01 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
...............?

On October 01 2013 09:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Wow this game is slow. Hello it is I, Grackaroni! The cop (!). . . Maybe. Palmar is likely scum. Why? Poor scum hunting! DISQUS.

On October 01 2013 10:58 austinmcc wrote:
Did koshi do something particularly interesting between partway through D1, like...pg 52/53ish and the start of D2 that I need to look at?

On October 01 2013 11:05 austinmcc wrote:
Don't know that I agree there, but whatevs.

On October 01 2013 11:41 austinmcc wrote:
I will tell you, but I need you to phrase your request as if I were a busty hot dog vendress and you were either (a) an intoxicated college student after a night of partying, just looking for a delicious hot dog before going home to pass out or (b) a guy who works at a dog grooming place down the street and regularly comes to the hot dog stand for Tuesday lunch.

On October 02 2013 00:34 Palmar wrote:
Both.

He's not mafia for being bad, he's mafia for not doing anything outside of arguing about points like the one we just argued about.

On October 02 2013 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright ladies and gents, you guys can decide:
Which Wave would you like?
The one that rages fucking hardcore at you all for specifically doing exactly what I told you not to?
Or the one that gives up entirely because time and time again towns just fail over and over and no matter what I say and do?

You can have a few hours to mull it over. Be back later.
Congrats on the lynch!

On October 02 2013 06:00 Palmar wrote:
VE am I scum?

On October 02 2013 06:10 Palmar wrote:


Mostly because I don't know if you are.

Could you like spam a bit and explain your reads through the game.

Additionally, I think I'm waffling on rayn being scum based on what just happened here. I'm not entirely sure.

On October 02 2013 09:24 WaveofShadow wrote:

Really? That's what you're going with?
Want to dive through your own filter and find your D2 contributions?
Voting for who I want isn't enough.

If you care about the town then you fucking DO something.

On October 02 2013 09:28 austinmcc wrote:
I WILL ACTIVATE THE SIRENS KNOCK IT OFF

VE

THE THREAD HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY ARGUING.

ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO CHAT WITH AUSTINMCC INSTEAD OF ARGUING?

You want to lynch Hiro Protagonist. And Palmar?

I will gladly chat about either of those people, and listen, and maybe get down with them lynches, if you will talk to me about solstice and ... pandain.

Specifically, I will offer this --> Hiro Pro does not look good, but why do I lynch him NOW instead of trying to get him to comment on like...a bunch of stuff, lynching him if he doesn't or his responses are super scummy?

On October 02 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE:

Sorry if I'm being impatient but I'm assuming you didn't just want me to confirm some sort of scumread without discussing it.

On October 02 2013 10:26 austinmcc wrote:
And yet you won't even pose a simple query in the form of a hotdog order.

On October 04 2013 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:

This is exactly why Oats is scum.
ALso I want to lynch FT despite Pandain's posting.
Am I jerk?

On October 04 2013 10:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

Dunno 'cause either FT is scum and I win, or he's town and I think it would be hilarious if we lynched a townie despite the biggest defense case I have ever seen anyone make.

It's win-win.

On October 04 2013 11:51 austinmcc wrote:
The vote means I think he's scum.

Just took me an extra day.

On October 03 2013 20:31 Palmar wrote:


I'm going to explain step to step why it's highly improbable that your theory is right. I'm starting at this votecount

For the sake of the argument we're assuming scumPalmar.

1. The vote stands at 5-5, Firmtofu is set to be lynched
2. s0lstice comes in and puts shiaopi at 6-5, making him the prime lynch candidate

At this point I'm back in the thread. I have basically two options, run with the wagon on shiaopi, or put my vote on FT, I go with the latter

3. I even up the vote, with shiaopi still up for the lynch at 6-6
4. rayn comes in, unvotes shiaopi and votes FT, making it 7-5 in favor of FT, making him the lynch candidate.

In order for me to have a viable excuse for switching, it requires me to predict that if FT is going to be lynched, it's going to be rayn that makes the first voteswitch. This is important as he's the ONLY person in the game I can legitimately claim to just not wanting to agree with.

5. I switch to shiaopi, putting them back at 6-6 with FT still the lynch candidate

Again, I have to predict that not only rayn provides me with a reasonable excuse to make the switch, but also that someone else would come in and hammer SP. Of course, you can assume this third person is my teammate (that'd be you or vayne), or that I just got lucky.

6. SP is hammered bay vayne. then you vote him.

The problem with your theory is that it requires way too much set-up and prediction ability by me for it to work. It relies on two people behaving in a specific way (rayn to switch, vayne to hammer) for it to work, and because the presumption is that FT is on my team, I can at maximum co-ordinate with one of them.