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On September 27 2013 00:28 hiro protagonist wrote: I would Recommend, should Gmashal grant a ban, that Panda be replaced in, and have Zealos /sitout the game. just my 2 cents. so long sense my last Mafia game, I cant wait to play! ^^ | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:24 Palmar wrote: I'm member of one of the mafia teams. I'm requesting one person from the other team PM me, or if that's not allowed, just claim in the thread so we can work together. Which team? TELL ME OR YOU'RE A LIAR!! | ||
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Other scum-team, feel free to acknowledge Palmar's request for an alliance. Ominously, it could be your only chance. | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:28 Palmar wrote: So I'm assuming you're from the other team VE. We need to work together to frame some poor fuck and get him lynched. We need someone sufficiently dumb, yet loud, maybe yamato? I'm afraid that he's not loud enough. :/ | ||
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Not yet. Maybe later. Let me get a feel for the game, and I'll keep you posted. | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: Actually Palmar are you down with a random lynch this game? I kind of want to random lynch. I will also random lynch. I approve of this message in the name of the town. | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:36 yamato77 wrote: You will approve of nothing for town when you claim scum. I never claimed scum. | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:46 WaveofShadow wrote: This will be my only post for a few hours: I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Fucking rolled town again. I fucking hate town. I can't decide whether to play this game fucking hardcore and try to win and then be disappointed in the general stupidity and lurk and then eventually lose and cry, or whether I should just not fucking bother right off the bat. There are a few factors at work here. Maybe this is great because scum PHEER ME in every game all of a sudden, so once I town the fuck out of everybody in the thread I'll be dead N1. Especially when I don't use my vest. I also KNOW THINGS---many of the people in this thread are also still in Noire, and while I'll have to watch what I say and how I do it, members of this game: know that I KNOW. I will be able to use my knowledge to get things done in this game. Maybe it will make a difference. I know this game is stacked full of power players so one would think that even facing off against 2 strong scumteams that town SHOULD have a chance, but I just don't know if that's true. Above all, I'm just sad that once again, I DON'T HAVE A GODDAMN GUN TO ELIMINATE ALL THE INEVITABLE USELESS SHIT FROM MY MOTHERFUCKING TOWN. Guess we'll find out what kind of game I feel like playing. I kinda feel like VA in that regard. At least kush isn't in here. God damn this stinks of insincerity and contrivance. But whatever I'll deal with you later sir. | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:52 Palmar wrote: Who gave WoS a high horse and why is he on it? He's been dying N1 recently. You remember what that's like - the confidence it temporarily bestows. The question is, is he overplaying it? I think so, but again, I'm willing to see what he's got before making that call ultimately. | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:53 yamato77 wrote: Postgame of Golden Sun. Plus he got shot N1 in a big game. Contrary to VE, I find it quite fitting for town WoS to act this way. You misunderstand me - I fully expect WoS to have confidence. But his whole "OH FUCK ME I'M TOWN CRY CRY CRY CRY" seems overplayed. I did something similar, but I didn't write a whole post on the matter - only made a little joke about it. And I'm slightly more dramatic than WoS. | ||
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Look dude, it was an observation. It was a fucking observation made LESS THAN 10 minutes into the game. It's not a read, I explicitly said I'm waiting to actually read him until he contributes something. Explicitly. | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:03 Koshi wrote: Ok cool. You roll the dice ->random.org<- Who is it? I will not follow this sort of format if we random lynch. I want something really random. | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:04 Grackaroni wrote: I read a previous game where Palmar had a website dedicated for the lynch where we set aside a time and when it hits that time the player it lands on is who we lynch. This is something more along the lines of something I'd submit to. Something not manipulable. | ||
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On September 27 2013 05:59 yamato77 wrote: Do you REALLY think scum would claim scum? Townies are stupid. On September 27 2013 06:19 yamato77 wrote: I legitimately think you are mafia. You could also be trolling, but more importantly, you are mafia. *sigh* | ||
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##Vote: Yamato You want a real game? Let's play a real game. | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:21 Grackaroni wrote: I have no idea what I would do just a genuine curiosity. all 3 are wrong by the way random lynches are pro-town. Palmar thinks so as well. No he answered your question. He doesn't believe that what he's doing is trolling and now that you're calling him mafia, he's trying to understand why. I'm not getting why you think he's doing whatever you said it was he was doing....#yoloswagwhateverthefuck | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:42 Koshi wrote: Let's be amazed by the star power in this game. No reason we peasants fight under each other. ##unvote Wait is this not-quite-veiled irritation that I'm not voting with you? I'm just trying to understand. | ||
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Why so abrasive? | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote: random lynch =/= finding scum if you'd like to explain how it is, i'd be happy to not call you completely full of shit No but just saying "lynch Palmar" isn't a random lynch either dude. Like, obviously. So he's advocating a random lynch that's not a random lynch. Does that sound like something scum would take the initiative to do? Conversely, could you see a town-aligned Grack doing something like that to try and see who votes Palmar? It's null as fuck dude. | ||
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On September 27 2013 07:17 Blazinghand wrote: i duno man koshi is a mystery So are you, you handsome devil. Anything else to add? | ||
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On September 27 2013 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: No but just saying "lynch Palmar" isn't a random lynch either dude. Like, obviously. So he's advocating a random lynch that's not a random lynch. Does that sound like something scum would take the initiative to do? Conversely, could you see a town-aligned Grack doing something like that to try and see who votes Palmar? It's null as fuck dude. !!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On September 27 2013 07:27 Blazinghand wrote: I see the argument for a random lynch. Not all scum will argue against it if it happens to land on scum, since they won't know it's on scum (half of them). Also, given the skewed town/scum ratio this game (6 scum in a game of 19 players) we're more likely than normal to hit scum. I'd be in favor of this. How should we implement it? Palmar's the guy for that kind of stuff - hell he may be concocting something this very moment! | ||
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On September 27 2013 07:42 Blazinghand wrote: Jesus man, chill out. We're like a couple hours in, and floating the random lynch idea is imo not a bad strat. If there's ever a game where random lynch is a good idea, it would be this game, don't you admit? High numbers of uncoordinated scum! Plus, my observation that you don't deserve a townread for opposing what is potentially a very threatening idea for scum is accurate. +1 | ||
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On September 27 2013 07:48 Blazinghand wrote: see yamato doesn't actually think i'm claiming scum. he's too afraid to go up against a strong town player since he is scum and knows he will lose. To be fair his hubris wouldn't allow him to admit to himself that he's scared, regardless of his actual alignment. This is not alignment indicative. Him attempting to start shit with everyone who posts, in my opinion, is. ##Unvote | ||
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On September 27 2013 07:52 yamato77 wrote: that's a singular reason among the glut of BH calling me mafia for everything I'm doing (and not doing). And btw it's actually a town tell. Like here's what guys like you and geript don't understand, and what Palmar likes to ignore because he can. Being a jerk to someone is going to cause them to act more suspiciously TO YOU regardless of their actual alignment. People don't like people being a jerk to them, and they clam up and don't talk to people who ARE a jerk to them, in general. It's literally counter-productive to your stated aim of finding scum...being a jerk to someone makes it so that you CANNOT READ them, in most cases. At least that's what I believe. I could be wrong, but that's been my experience. Now, I'll admit that it's unfair for BH to say that's ALL you've been doing (note my distinct lack of vote on you now). But I'll also say that it's unfair of you to expect BH to just assume that it means you're town when you, in your defense, say "Hey it's a towntell bra". That means that you're aware of that tell and can exploit it as scum. Don't be an idiot Yamato. | ||
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On September 27 2013 08:03 Grackaroni wrote: I think the people that are vehemently against random lynches aren't against them because they think I am trying to avoid analysis. They are likely afraid of the random lynch. It is so much easier for mafia to pressure a less experienced player and push the lynch off their team and on to that player. Then why isn't your vote on someone who has opposed your idea out of hand? | ||
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On September 27 2013 08:08 yamato77 wrote: I like how you're putting words in my mouth and assuming town never lynches scum D1. It's because of players like you that townies get lynched. Anyway, I'm actually off. Are you not doing the bolded with the italicized? | ||
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On September 27 2013 08:19 Palmar wrote: Btw, Vivax logic tells us we should lynch people who have less than X amount of posts in the thread so far. Vivax logic is some of the best logic I've encountered on TL Mafia. I'll read this mess tomorrow Boo. | ||
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On September 27 2013 08:56 Grackaroni wrote: hahaha you accuse me every single game you cannot read me for shit. How about you go and read through Yamato's posts and tell me. What I find interesting about this post is that you're only interested in discrediting him when he literally says "there's not enough evidence yet". I find this reaction to be suspicious. | ||
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On September 27 2013 09:22 Grackaroni wrote: It has to do with my history with Palmar. I frequently find myself as his first scum read and it annoys me. Yeah well, such sentiment I can fully identify with. | ||
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MY BODY IS READY!! | ||
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I consider this a real topic of discussion now and want everyone to assent or deny lynching via RNG. | ||
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On September 27 2013 12:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Defeatist whiney bullshit aside, I'm taking that as a vote for RNG lynch. I consider this a real topic of discussion now and want everyone to assent or deny lynching via RNG. With reasoning. Obviously. | ||
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ANSWER THIS YAMATO YOU PUSSY | ||
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On September 27 2013 14:36 Pandain wrote: Wow so ignored. I've been watching everything you're doing with great interest, you haven't been ignored at all. | ||
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On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote: We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day. So how about you explain your vote? Clearly you aren't adding to the discussion by just voting and leaving...you've given more reasoning for thinking Grack is scum and you're not even voting him! | ||
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Unlike Grack and BH however, I don't take it as a scumclaim. I take it as a bad-tell which is null. | ||
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On September 27 2013 16:12 Grackaroni wrote: What's the ruling on how much time we have to wait until we can vote RoL for being a lurking scum? Is it soon? Why RoL and not one of the Otho as-yet-to-post players? | ||
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On September 27 2013 16:15 Grackaroni wrote: Because he's RoL. I feel his scumminess in my bones. If you are going to keep playing like this I'll be forced to think you're not playing with town's best interest in mind. | ||
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1) Palmar made a point about hiro that I almost made myself, but thought twice about and decided not to make. The reason why is this: I have a slight townread on hiro protagonist based on how he's approaching this game. While it's certainly a fact that hiro hasn't provided any scumreads, he seems comfortable getting all up in people's grills. I can absolutely see Palmar's point about hiro, however, and would definitely like to see some thoughts on who hiro thinks is scum. b) BH is DEFINITELY the hero this town deserves. Definitely. IV) RNG Lynch is dead as far as I'm concerned. Not because there's not enough support for it (several people still haven't commented, it could feasibly get pushed through) but because no one has come up with a truly random means of arriving at a lynch and I'm too lazy to figure it out myself. We should already have a system by now, and we'd need to arrive at a name relatively soon in order to ensure that everyone who claimed to support the idea has time to follow through and vote for the person or not. Finally) On September 27 2013 22:09 yamato77 wrote: I don't care much about this grack lynch anymore. It's too overtalked for my liking. Now we're lynching this dude for refusing to play the game. ##Unvote ##Vote VayneAuthority Since when did a lynch become bad because people talked about it too much? And since when did VA refuse to play the game? ##Vote: yamato77 yamato77 is scum, because he's clearly not even trying to find scum. His early appeal to Palmar was ridiculous...he said that if they were both town they'd find scum together - last time they were both town they tunneled each other incessantly and one of them got lynched. He's full of shit and needs to die today. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote: VE whiteknighting me. YAY It was my fault rayn in Golden Sun, although nothing about big cases. If I find something suspicious about Cheesecake, I can assure you it has nothing to do with you specifically. My problem lies with Cheesecake and how he presented his suspicion. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:44 Palmar wrote: Oh VE is back, sweet, I don't have to do anything then. We killing yamato? I'm in. ##Unvote ##Vote yamato77 Nonono, not so fast pal. Your vote leads me to believe that you think yamato is a good lynch. Is this true? | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: VE are you mafia? I expected mafia to jump all over that vote on oats. And look, you're jumping all over it. Are you retarded? You voted with no reasoning, what the fuck do you expect? Why is it exclusively scum that would call out a vote against someone with no reasoning provided? | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote: yea, hence why I brought up the yamato filter. But I don't think its a good enough reason to lynch some one by itself. There should be some sort of explanation for the yamato votes but I don't see much of any. You're ignoring my post on the matter. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE, does Palmar have to call you town even when he is scum and you are town? I don't understand the question. Could you rephrase it? | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:49 VayneAuthority wrote: I saw it. There's a lot of people not trying to find scum right now, myself included. The thread is going nowhere fast. We already have 3 people in this game trying to grudge vote me or something and I really doubt they are all scum, so not alignment indicative for me right now. Okay, what about the fact that he said "Grack has been talked about too much for me to lynch" Does that make sense at all? Like at all? Isn't yamato supposed to be...you know...GOOD if he's town? | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: It's probably the easiest thing for scum to pick out. If you were town, you'd have realized that it was bait for somebody to call me out on it, and I figured if Oats was mafia he'd be like WOW obvious scum here. I get the best reads when people think I'm scum--Speaking of which, do check noir I want to know your read of me there. This is a waste of time. Vote for me if you think I'm scum, otherwise shut up you're not making any sense. | ||
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On September 28 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Afaik Palmar is really good in reading you, correct? If he is scum and you are town, does he need to call you town unless he wants you to find him out? I mean, is it possible for him to fake suspicion on you as scum. I see No, in fact he'd probably call me scum just to get me worked up and looking suspicious. Like, it's one thing to call me scum and another to represent actually thinking I'm scum. IF Palmar were scum, he's fully capable of pretending he actually thinks I'm scum. Luckily I don't think we have anything to worry about this game - he doesn't think I'm scum AND I think he's probably town. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: He's clearly avoiding you. scum. Yes yes, you've made your opinion known. I don't understand it however, could you maybe explain it to me in lay terms? | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: It was a joke VE. :p My problem with Palmar is his stance on yamato. No other problems. But it's presently the same stance as mine I like his stance on Yamato just fine. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah Vayne cares about his scumgame way more than his towngame. I feel really good about VA lynch today. At worst, policy 'cuz I don't like his play in most games, and at best, scum. Win-win. GOGO VOTE VA I would sooner vote for you. | ||
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On September 28 2013 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Nope, because in any given game i will always be more useful than you, attitude aside. VE, my first post regarding yamato then, do you think it's coming from a scum place? I'm not saying I unequivocally think you're scum - I'm saying I'd lynch you before I'd lynch VA. On September 28 2013 01:27 WaveofShadow wrote: And VE, why do you not like a VA lynch? Do you have a read on him? VA is posting more townlike than I'd expect from a scum VA, though to be honest I'm not really sure WHAT I expect of a scum VA because I'm not sure I've even played with such a beast. I think he's a far poorer lynch than yamato, who is clearly scum to me. And I think he's a poorer lynch than you because not only have you been consistently shitting on town, but now you're sheeping after scum. No bueno. | ||
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On September 28 2013 02:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I haven't read your points on Yamato, VE. From what I can see in Yamato's filter, he is yelling at people for wanting to RNG lynch and telling people to find scum. He then does a spite lynch on VA. Does this seem counter-intuitive to you, VE? In Noir Yamato was obviously town, this seems a bit different to me. It's because he doesn't care. Feel free to add your vote to the tally if you feel as I feel, that yamato is scum. | ||
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On September 27 2013 07:27 Blazinghand wrote: I see the argument for a random lynch. Not all scum will argue against it if it happens to land on scum, since they won't know it's on scum (half of them). Also, given the skewed town/scum ratio this game (6 scum in a game of 19 players) we're more likely than normal to hit scum. I'd be in favor of this. How should we implement it? BH lied - he's always been in favor of a Koshi lynch and now that he himself has implemented it (fairly, as he's attested) he's backing off of it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi I can't wait to see some actual content from the guy - it will be interesting to see how his lies intertwine. | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:27 WaveofShadow wrote: So you think BH is scum for it? And you're voting Koshi? I'm really not following you VE. I said I'm in favor of RNG. I don't know what it means with relation to BH - maybe he lied to get information, maybe he's lying now to get information, maybe he's scumbuddies with Koshi. I need to see content to see what it means in relation to BH. But the RNG is Koshi. Man up and vote. | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:31 Blazinghand wrote: um yeah i was in favor of rng lynch not any more, i found ppl i wanted to lynch like honestly I could have rnged at any time but first yamato then FT seemed like a better idea to me than rnging a lynch. I figured I'd defuse the whole "rng" situation by actually rolling the dice so that people would get on my FT wagon. just like how a policy lynch seems like a good idea until you have a scumread, so too the rng lynch seems. also yeah FT is obviously trying to appease me, very funny FT Explain your FT suspicion to me as if you thought I was an idiot, which shouldn't be hard given that you expect me to believe this bullshit. | ||
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Like this was my initial issue with your problem with FT in the first place. You say he provided no explanation, but he DID and you unfairly boiled it down to a policy vote and dismissed it! You never explained how I'm mistaken with that observation, and from what I've seen, a town FirmTofu is equally capable of making the posts you're saying MUST come from a scum FT. | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Why would he need to test the waters when Oats and Rayn had voted for me and so many other people were openly suspicious? Like...I remember calling Grack out for this in GS and this doesn't look like quite the same thing. Even mroe perplexing will be that supposedly Koshi says he will be away until after lynch so we may not get any more info out of him. You wouldn't be asking this question if you replaced the bolded with "BH and VE had voted for me" now would you? | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote: Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._. I'd rather you just say that you'll vote Yamato with me if Koshi doesn't get the support it so rightly deserves. | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote: He is mega lynchbait, BH, but I do believe the scum narrative holds a little more water here. How so? Is Koshi the kind of player to 'respect the vets?' Not to mention I'm pretty sure YOU were one of the people openly suspicious of me as well---what would a scum Koshi need to vote for me? I HAVE NEVER WAVE GOOD GOD | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:19 strongandbig wrote: Also, I think one thing scum players love to do is give advice and not follow it: Do you have some sort of reason for thinking this? Because it seems to me like that would draw a lot of attention to the player, and therefor would be something scum would NOT love to do. Can you walk me through it plz? | ||
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You lied about supporting RNG. Don't deny it it's explicit in your posts. I don't care, I'm just saying you're a liar. Embrace it. | ||
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On September 28 2013 05:09 Blazinghand wrote: Like I changed my mind man. It happens. Tell me your read on Koshi bro...because I'ma get him lynched and I'd like your stance on the guy before I do. | ||
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On September 28 2013 05:45 Blazinghand wrote: So reading koshi's filter is a pain. He's still doing lots of one-liners, as he did before. Less interactions/asking/questions/taking stands, which seems bad. FT and yamato both higher prio imo Well at least you didn't waste a whole lot of words saying nothing. Thanks for your input BH. | ||
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On September 28 2013 05:49 Blazinghand wrote: I'm not lying about his filter being a pain. And reading golden sun for a comparison filter? ack. btw if we end up rando lynching Koshi i take all credit as king of the rando lynch I hope this is a joke. | ||
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On September 28 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote: Remember when you said I accuse you every game? Same goes for you, pal. I think you're actually town given some revelation I had recently about your play, so it would be nice if you didn't vote me before I have really had a chance to read over the thread once it had enough posts to actually make sense of. But I've read the thread now and you seem like you want to tunnel me do whatever. Hopefully you stop. You've got time. I'm actually voting for RNG right now, who is Koshi. | ||
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On September 28 2013 06:15 yamato77 wrote: Yeah, but what about WoS? What does his vote tell you about his alignment so far? WoS is a beautiful snowflake...unique in form and precious in this world. | ||
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On September 28 2013 06:22 Blazinghand wrote: like imo this weird posturing from yamato just makes him look scummier. I think he's trying to feel for some kind of wagon on me, or maybe discredit me? Like, if he really thinks I'm scum, why wouldn't he just vote me? yamato is very aggressive and a town yamato wouldn't hesitate. He's trying something new...like you! | ||
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Like it's really REALLY hard for me to not take this as a scumslip. LMAO | ||
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On September 28 2013 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote: How so? Is Koshi the kind of player to 'respect the vets?' Not to mention I'm pretty sure YOU were one of the people openly suspicious of me as well---what would a scum Koshi need to vote for me? It has nothing to do with whether he "respects the vets" or not, it has to do with the simple fact that some people simply have greater thread presence and drive lynches more efficiently than others in the current meta. Like, if you replace Oats/Rayn with BH/VE, then there's simply a statistically higher chance that an ACTUAL wagon will build from it. Not to slight Oats/Rayn, I'm just saying that's what happens in the current meta. Some people are more likely to garner followers than others. With only Oats/Rayn on you, of course scum are going to test the waters before going in on you - ESPECIALLY with the sentiment surrounding the RNG lynch being so uncertain. | ||
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On September 28 2013 06:46 yamato77 wrote: ##Vote Mr. Cheesecake Fuck yeah you did. Tell me a story about strongandbig yamato. | ||
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More votes on Koshi plx. ^^ | ||
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On September 28 2013 07:09 yamato77 wrote: What do you want to know about snb? His Palmar post is alright, but his entrance post is shitty since all he talked about was RNG. I know he's limited on time or whatever, but even if he thinks Palmar is mafia, does he think that post alone is enough to lynch him? What did you like about the post in general? You've stated a town read on Palmar, has that changed with SnB's observations? Which if so? | ||
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On September 28 2013 07:17 Koshi wrote: LoL I am going to get lynched due the retardness of that rng shit and some people saying I dont post enough. Jeez. Morons everywhere. But what do you want with so much scum. Whoa bro consider it a privilege! You're going to be a part of history! The first successful RNG lynch in the history of TL! That's nothing to scoff at, friend...it's certainly nothing to go all adhom against the whole town over. Just get your thoughts in the thread if you're town and we'll take it from there. EZPZ | ||
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On September 28 2013 07:18 Koshi wrote: And wtf is this about respecting the vets? Nothing Wave is on crack. | ||
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On September 28 2013 07:20 Koshi wrote: I also hope you are scum BH. I actually hope everybody that "believes" in this rng thing is scum. Sadly it seems with yamato probably being scum you fuckers are town rofl. I want to clear this up really fast. THE VOTE WAS RANDOM. There's literally no possible way for BH to have anticipated what post number his would be, and even if he COULD somehow, there's no way he could have posted EXACTLY when that specific number popped up. It's literally impossible. It's a completely fair and random lynch - I know it doesn't seem that way to you as you're the one getting lynched. Nor would I expect you to just roll over! FIGHT! So you think yamato is scum ya? How about instead of screaming at town about getting lynched (which, btw, may not even happen - it's 24 hours away,) you just put something together AGAINST Yamato? All eyes are on you, after all - EVERYONE will see it. | ||
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On September 28 2013 07:39 Koshi wrote: And even if he isnt scum. I should never get this amount of shit. Anyway, I got like 6 hours sleep left on a fuciing friday. And wont be around too much tomorrow. Sadly enough I will have to because you are all fuckers. Stop with the adhom attacks. We get it - you don't want to get lynched. | ||
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Regardless of whether I think you're town or scum, there ARE scum for you to find (either a whole slew of them if you're town, or the opposing faction if you're scum) and I promise you'll have better luck finding them when you're not angry at the world because of getting RNG-fucked. | ||
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On September 28 2013 07:51 VayneAuthority wrote: I wouldn't be so sure of that; half the game has yet to really start playing yet. There's still a shit ton of votes out there. I'll push this through. You may say "VE, don't be absurd! Even the magnificent Palmar has been unable to push a random lynch through!" Palmar may be many things, but tenacious to a fault is MY domain brother. | ||
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On September 28 2013 08:17 yamato77 wrote: It makes sense to question why Palmar voted for me. So you liked that entire post of nothingness based on an obvious observation that had nothing to do with SnB's post? Noted. | ||
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On September 28 2013 08:20 strongandbig wrote: Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't. Okay, but you attest that Palmar is known for following rules, even his own, as town. Is that correct? That the fact that he's not "following his own advice" makes it more likely that he's scum, and not "null as fuck" which I read it as, is this correct? | ||
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On September 28 2013 08:24 yamato77 wrote: he definitely mentioned the vote as something scummy whatever VE. I'm just trying to understand - you said the post was good, but then you mention nothing in the post that you like about it...even after I asked you specifically what you like about it. Whatever yourself man. I'm just playin mafia. | ||
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On September 28 2013 08:20 strongandbig wrote: Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't. Wait a tick, was this in a case against me?! | ||
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Has your read of Palmar changed at all? -.- | ||
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On September 28 2013 08:46 yamato77 wrote: I assume you mean my read of Palmar. in that case, I withhold judgement until I see his re entrance to the thread. Him voting me isn't enough to make me downgrade my read on him on its own. SNB's post says more about SNB than it does Palmar tbh. He's obviously reading the thread fairly closely, but I'm not sold on his heuristic of "not following one's own advice" or whatever. It doesn't influence my read of Palmar much more than reinforcing my question of his voting action. I like this post. Just throwin that out there. | ||
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On September 28 2013 10:07 Palmar wrote: I am almost certain I had made a mental note about something Koshi said that made him look like town, so I think he's not a good lynch. Fuck you we're random lynching up in this bitch. Don't make me grab the steel. | ||
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We're so close and you want to give up now? | ||
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But I don't even care. Let's all hold hands and bathe in his blood. | ||
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The thing that gets me is that he's like, actually super afraid to die. Everyone wants to live, but townies are less afraid to die in general in my experience. All the expletives make me think he's just trying to be manipulative. :/ Maybe not. I don't know. But he's the lynch guy, and my body is ready. | ||
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On September 28 2013 10:28 Palmar wrote: Do I have to it's awful? Not tonight at least. I mean, I don't care. I'm more speaking on behalf of the town cause that's kinda like my thing this game. So yeah, you gotta, but I'm cool with doing it tomorrow...just as long as it's done before the lynch or whatever. SnB would really appreciate it. | ||
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BH/Koshi/maaaaybe SnB. Yamato/Grack/maaaaaybe hiro protagonist. My maybes are thrown in there mostly because we're missing half the playerbase still...I don't feel strongly about SnB or hiro. | ||
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As if this game wasn't epic enough! | ||
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I'd be like, super disappointed if you didn't. | ||
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On September 28 2013 11:14 Grackaroni wrote: Let's see some scum teams Palmar, if they are better than mine I will award you 10 Grack points. +20 if one of the teams includes yourself. On September 23 2013 05:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. | ||
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On September 28 2013 21:50 Palmar wrote: Such tunneled in Wow So aggressiv So write bad case Glass house Wow maybe reconsider My wife is looking at me funny because I'm laughing so hard. I haven't even smoked yet this morning. XD | ||
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On September 29 2013 00:01 Grackaroni wrote: It's more for Koshi then for you so feel free not to. There's nothing in there that Koshi can even really speak to - and why is it mostly for Koshi are you trying to CONVINCE him that he's scum? What if he's not? What's the point? | ||
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On September 29 2013 03:33 Palmar wrote: Whatever I need to go. Rol, hiro, yamato, ft are good lynches. Afk ppl are ok too. So is kosher. Rest is bad idea. +1 If we switching I want zero content lynch or yamato. | ||
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On September 29 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote: What do you mean is your vote needed? Obviously at this point one of them is getting lynched, who would you rather lynch? That is where your vote is needed. ##Vote: yamato If yamato flips scum it means my first post regarding suspicion of his early game posts was correct but I still feel like this is simply sheeping. Although it's not like that wasn't what I was doing re:Koshi lol. Why are you thinking in terms of how suspicious you look? | ||
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Clearly all the stuff being said about Palmar is true. Woe is me. | ||
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I will have to do a preponderance of pondering. Given that townies have protection, that BH died is pretty impressive. | ||
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On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote: Anyone who supports RNG, myself included, should still scumhunt and make full use of the day. There is still much to say and much to find. Anyone who stops scumhunting should be subject to lynch as well. Says this. Doesn't do this. On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote: should be subject to lynch as well. ##Vote: FT | ||
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On September 29 2013 07:35 austinmcc wrote: Howdy all. Replacing in, will be able to get reading and posting towards the end of this night or the start of D2. This still hasn't happened. I really really want to kill it. | ||
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Something is happening. | ||
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On October 01 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote: ...............? Comment on something relevant. My mistakes in other games are not relevant here. | ||
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On October 01 2013 09:55 Grackaroni wrote: Wow this game is slow. Hello it is I, Grackaroni! The cop (!). . . Maybe. Palmar is likely scum. Why? Poor scum hunting! DISQUS. I don't understand this point on Palmar. How do you mean "poor scum hunting"? Poor as in not making sense? Poor as in he's been wrong? Please clarify your point, so that we can further discuss your suspicion of him, because presently I'm town on Palmar. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + He's a cop. | ||
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On October 01 2013 10:58 austinmcc wrote: Did koshi do something particularly interesting between partway through D1, like...pg 52/53ish and the start of D2 that I need to look at? Claim cop several times. | ||
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On October 01 2013 11:05 austinmcc wrote: Don't know that I agree there, but whatevs. Feel free to elaborate instead of the bolded. | ||
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If he's really a cop scum know it just as well as I do. | ||
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On October 01 2013 11:41 austinmcc wrote: I will tell you, but I need you to phrase your request as if I were a busty hot dog vendress and you were either (a) an intoxicated college student after a night of partying, just looking for a delicious hot dog before going home to pass out or (b) a guy who works at a dog grooming place down the street and regularly comes to the hot dog stand for Tuesday lunch. I've never enjoyed reading a post quite so much as I enjoyed reading this one. Thanks austin. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:34 Palmar wrote: Both. He's not mafia for being bad, he's mafia for not doing anything outside of arguing about points like the one we just argued about. I haven't done much either. Do you have any other reason aside from "he argued with me" | ||
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On October 02 2013 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright ladies and gents, you guys can decide: Which Wave would you like? The one that rages fucking hardcore at you all for specifically doing exactly what I told you not to? Or the one that gives up entirely because time and time again towns just fail over and over and no matter what I say and do? You can have a few hours to mull it over. Be back later. Congrats on the lynch! How about the one that objectively considers the thread and comes back with cold reason rather than hot rage? I didn't notice that Wave among the possibilities. | ||
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On October 02 2013 06:00 Palmar wrote: VE am I scum? I don't think so. You seem more invested than I'd expect as scum. I haven't really disagreed with your scumreads, though admittedly I may be biased because I'm not one of them (as far as I know). Why? | ||
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On October 02 2013 06:10 Palmar wrote: Mostly because I don't know if you are. Could you like spam a bit and explain your reads through the game. Additionally, I think I'm waffling on rayn being scum based on what just happened here. I'm not entirely sure. Well, but "what just happened here"....just happened here. How could that affect your read BEFORE when you would have/could have pushed a rayn lynch? Are you referring to the argument you guys were having? Like, did it feel like townie rayn arguing with you or something? | ||
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You know I was secretly hoping that you me and hiro ended up on one scumteam together this game don't you? | ||
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Like, this is totally irrelevant, but I'm at work and I'm sitting here thinking about it...between us we have a LOT of games played here. And I've NEVER been scum with Palmar. Fucking weird right? | ||
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That being said, yes. I didn't do much D2. What I DID do, however, was VOTE FOR WHO YOU WANTED LYNCHED. And now, I'm here, trying to discuss shit with you and all you've got is "WHATEVER VE YOU WEREN'T AROUND DOING MY JOB FOR ME" Fuck off. Srs. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Really? That's what you're going with? Want to dive through your own filter and find your D2 contributions? Voting for who I want isn't enough. If you care about the town then you fucking DO something. MOTHERFUCKER I ASKED YOU TO LOOK AT HIRO! I THINK HIRO IS SCUM DUDE, AND I WANT TO DISCUSS THAT SHIT WITH YOU! QUIT FUCKING LECTURING ME OR I SWEAR TO GOD THIS GAME IS OVER FOR ME. ACT LIKE YOU DON'T THINK I'LL RAGEQUIT THIS FUCKING GAME TOO DUDE. | ||
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Just throwing that out there. So to clarify, you agree that hiro is totally scummy correct? | ||
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Anyway, is it strange or no that FT is nowhere to be seen in hiro's pre-deadline reads list considering FT was one of the main wagons? | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:28 austinmcc wrote: I WILL ACTIVATE THE SIRENS KNOCK IT OFF VE THE THREAD HAS BEEN HIJACKED BY ARGUING. ARE YOU A BAD ENOUGH DUDE TO CHAT WITH AUSTINMCC INSTEAD OF ARGUING? You want to lynch Hiro Protagonist. And Palmar? I will gladly chat about either of those people, and listen, and maybe get down with them lynches, if you will talk to me about solstice and ... pandain. Specifically, I will offer this --> Hiro Pro does not look good, but why do I lynch him NOW instead of trying to get him to comment on like...a bunch of stuff, lynching him if he doesn't or his responses are super scummy? Where did the bolded come from? Anyway, I'll discuss s0l with you. I'm willfully ignoring Pandain for the moment, but promise to take a look before dawn and I'll provide my read then. Anything specific you want to discuss about s0lstice? | ||
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I haven't had a chance to look - I DID go back and read the last couple of pages before the lynch, but I haven't looked too hard at the numbers. Something I took away after reading: Palmar looks much worse than I thought, and I'll need to read that whole exchange between he and rayn. DAMNIT. Sorry if I'm being impatient but I'm assuming you didn't just want me to confirm some sort of scumread without discussing it. It's the same shit that you pointed out basically, but unlike you I'm taking the stance that I think it's scummy. Like, look at the middle of D2 - where I was just absent, hiro made a special effort to pop in and say he was reading. Why would he do that as town if he had nothing to say? I mean, I can understand being busy and just not having time (obviously) but like, why would he care to pop in and confirm that he had nothing to say as town? As scum he's at least giving the illusion that he's reading and thinking about the game, but as town what did he hope to accomplish? | ||
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On October 02 2013 10:26 austinmcc wrote: And yet you won't even pose a simple query in the form of a hotdog order. He might be scum just for that. | ||
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hiro protagonist - His D1 was pretty good but after that he's provided nothing except a case and push on a townie. Even now after catching up, I still don't know where he stands on anyone. FirmTofu - I'm not sure where I stand on FT, but plenty of people read him as scum and he's still alive. As long as he's in the game, he'll always be a "fallback" lynch so let's just fucking do it and flip the guy. Pandain - I didn't like how he switched gears from FT onto VA with barely any reason and at a time when VA wasn't a lynch candidate and FT was. I'm not sure if I'll be around for the day post. Here's hopin I see you guys tomorrow. | ||
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I'm okay with this. I'm still rereading, but my body is ready for a FirmTofu lynch. | ||
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I'm working on it austin just bear with me. | ||
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You're one of my favorite players ever austin. Ever brothers in tinfoil hats are we, and I swear on everything I'll help you figure this game out. | ||
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On October 04 2013 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote: This is exactly why Oats is scum. ALso I want to lynch FT despite Pandain's posting. Am I jerk? Why | ||
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On October 04 2013 10:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno 'cause either FT is scum and I win, or he's town and I think it would be hilarious if we lynched a townie despite the biggest defense case I have ever seen anyone make. It's win-win. Like, I'll admit that I'm not trying very hard, but this attitude of yours is really starting to grate on my nerves. At least when I don't have anything to say, I say nothing instead of shit like this. I love you Wave, but seriously if you're town, then please enough with the "Woe is me, towns are horrible so I guess I'll just troll this whole game" crap. | ||
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Like...my town read on him is waning with every moment that he's not calling for my head on a platter. He's just kinda been brushing the idea of lynching VE into the thread...town Palmar usually lays the HAMMER DOWN on a VE that isn't contributing because when we played together a lot that was my MO as town. | ||
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We were supposed to do great things together Now neither of us are doing great things and some low-life beat-cop is taking all our glory. | ||
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On October 04 2013 11:51 austinmcc wrote: The vote means I think he's scum. Just took me an extra day. All right all right, I'm just saying you were coming across as wishy-washy in a really scummy way. Thanks for clarifying bro. | ||
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More than FT. ##Unvote I'm beginning the filtration process. For the town. | ||
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Do we know whether SnB was a cop shot or a scum shot? Can we assume SnB was a scum shot? I realized that my assumption was that it was a cop shot but I don't think that makes sense to me. Someone help me out here. | ||
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That's why I haven't joined you on Vayne. | ||
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I'm still going to filter him and you before I make a decision, but my general impression before doing so is null-leaning-bad. Just sayin. | ||
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On September 28 2013 21:50 Palmar wrote: Such tunneled in Wow So aggressiv So write bad case Glass house Wow maybe reconsider Post of the game btw | ||
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On October 03 2013 20:31 Palmar wrote: I'm going to explain step to step why it's highly improbable that your theory is right. I'm starting at this votecount For the sake of the argument we're assuming scumPalmar. 1. The vote stands at 5-5, Firmtofu is set to be lynched 2. s0lstice comes in and puts shiaopi at 6-5, making him the prime lynch candidate At this point I'm back in the thread. I have basically two options, run with the wagon on shiaopi, or put my vote on FT, I go with the latter 3. I even up the vote, with shiaopi still up for the lynch at 6-6 4. rayn comes in, unvotes shiaopi and votes FT, making it 7-5 in favor of FT, making him the lynch candidate. In order for me to have a viable excuse for switching, it requires me to predict that if FT is going to be lynched, it's going to be rayn that makes the first voteswitch. This is important as he's the ONLY person in the game I can legitimately claim to just not wanting to agree with. 5. I switch to shiaopi, putting them back at 6-6 with FT still the lynch candidate Again, I have to predict that not only rayn provides me with a reasonable excuse to make the switch, but also that someone else would come in and hammer SP. Of course, you can assume this third person is my teammate (that'd be you or vayne), or that I just got lucky. 6. SP is hammered bay vayne. then you vote him. The problem with your theory is that it requires way too much set-up and prediction ability by me for it to work. It relies on two people behaving in a specific way (rayn to switch, vayne to hammer) for it to work, and because the presumption is that FT is on my team, I can at maximum co-ordinate with one of them. This post makes me think Palmar is town trying to prove it more than think he's scum trying to fake it. Scum like to do shit like repost things they've already posted and say "Your argument is therefor invalid" and shit, not explain in detailed terms why that possibility could NEVER exist. Am I wrong in that assumption? | ||
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That makes me think that earlier he wasn't interested in town winning at all. He just wanted to lynch Vayne because that would be an easy target to policy lynch given his history. | ||
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:/ What really irks me is Wave's insistence on FT tbh. Like, FT is NOTORIOUSLY bad with regard to activity iirc, and he's pretty often suspected as a result. But he's like, literally opting out of discussion today simply to get this lynch that is already happening. Doesn't that strike you as odd? | ||
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On October 04 2013 13:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Ignore the small text. Read the big text. On October 04 2013 13:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Pandain. etc. It's a bad attitude. I think it's scummy. | ||
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On October 05 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i am gonna vote for Palmar or FT today. And you all are dumb for not lynching Palmar so i probably end up voting for FT. Yeah no, VE. You're about here I need you about here | ||
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##Vote: FirmTofu I closed this down and went to go look for a voting thread. Like a noob. | ||
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You've made your thoughts on Palmar crystal clear. I just disagree right now. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I've learned recently to rely on meta less and use towntells/scumtells more. I don't think it's coincidence that I've been more accurate in my reads lately. Based on a pretty accurate towntell for me lately (that I've already given up to someone i probably shouldn't have), I believe solstice is town. His posting in this game further corroborates that in my opinion. Well your secret tells do nothing for me sir. But regardless, I'm not interested in lynching him today anyway. | ||
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On October 05 2013 04:02 austinmcc wrote: Your tell is something in particular to solstice or something you find townies do? If it were to s0lstice in particular, why it'd be Meta austin. | ||
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On October 05 2013 04:04 WaveofShadow wrote: VE TOTES TOWN HE USED ALLCAPS WHOOPS I REVEALED IT TO THREAD NO MY SECRET STARSENSES TEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWAVECURSEYOOOOOUUUUUUUU | ||
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On October 05 2013 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Well fuck. ##Unvote ##Vote: VayneAuthority I would really hate myself if I contributed to VA living longer than he should. I feel really shitty about this though because it's a wagon I originally pushed that Pandain has taken for his own and it just looks like a sheep now. Especially since he appealed to you directly to do it the right way earlier. | ||
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##Vote: Oatsmaster Suck it Trebek. | ||
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On October 04 2013 13:27 VisceraEyes wrote: This post makes me think Palmar is town trying to prove it more than think he's scum trying to fake it. Scum like to do shit like repost things they've already posted and say "Your argument is therefor invalid" and shit, not explain in detailed terms why that possibility could NEVER exist. Am I wrong in that assumption? Can someone address this post? I feel like Palmar is probably town for the quoted post, but I want other eyes on it. | ||
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On October 05 2013 04:55 VayneAuthority wrote: rayn/VE confirmed town, SnB/BH dead. who's left? palmar/pandain put the pieces together Is this some sort of balancing equation or something? What "pieces" are you referring to? | ||
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##Vote: FirmTofu Fuck shenannies. Let's do this. | ||
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##Vote: Palmar This is so dumb. If he's town I'm going to be so pissed. | ||
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Austin, good shit. Thanks for having the nuts I couldn't find in my sack. | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE i told you you just can't see how right i am.. yet. You speak like the last member on his team. But to your credit, you're about here now. | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it's the opposite. That would be really dumb. Trust me, i know what i am talking about and how that ends *cough* Catch 22 *cough*. :D I agree with this. There's no reason for scum to bus to the exclusion of scumhunting for real. | ||
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I just wanted to get that out there. *ghostfist* | ||
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On October 05 2013 05:55 s0Lstice wrote: i'm really not cool with the current me situation austin is really the only person who has even given reasons for me being scum or talked to me about it. everyone else just throws my name in there. i'd say its scummy but hell so many people are doing it some of them have to be town. My reasoning is explicit. On October 05 2013 03:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm used to a town s0lstice being more verbose and transparent with his thought process than I'm seeing here, to be frank. It's not super strong or anything, but that's where I'm at with you. Null leaning scum. | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:00 s0Lstice wrote: something is better than nothing. id say ive been transparent, but verbose not really due to time. I can sympathize. Your back and forth with austin looked good early on, I'd like to see more of that kind of thing...but with more content and with less jokeyjokey if yaaaamean. | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:05 s0Lstice wrote: word. talk to me about Pandain then. I don't want to kill him for spending a lot of time leading us away from Palmar. Agree/disagree? Agree. Especially taking everything else into account (whole-heartedly trying to get the lynch off FT before he was going to be modkilled for instance) I think he's definitely earned a stay at least through tomorrow. | ||
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I feel like the quoted post is a gross miscategorization of Pandain's play. | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: We should totes lynch oats tho. Seeing red flips is so invigorating and DIFFERENT! I might preemptively (prior to filtering/analyzing/etc) +1 this. For the town. | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:42 s0Lstice wrote: right but that action resulted in you going at VE. that's the part I'm interested in. That bush is nothing but twigs mang. | ||
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On October 05 2013 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I care deeply about your opinion :o YOUR SARCASM HAS BEEN NOTED AND WILL APPEAR ON YOUR PERMANENT RECORD CHEESE! | ||
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I have a one-time opportunity for you! Tonight and tonight only, I'll be releasing my protection status to the public! What this means for you is that you'll know whether semi-cleared VE is protecting himself with a vest or not! I still exercise caution before targeting me, but I will say with 100% truthfulness TONIGHT ONLY whether I'll be wearing a vest overnight or not! GET PUMPED! | ||
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On October 05 2013 07:32 austinmcc wrote: (That seems like something else to watch for. If snb had a funky read or two that were correct on the other scumteam, they might have been taking him out without even knowing he was scum) I mentioned this earlier no one commented though. #ForeverIgnored | ||
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On October 02 2013 17:41 hiro protagonist wrote: also, I REALLY REALLY wanna hear how you caught Oats as scum! cus Im not sure about that guy anymore... please say something about that soon. And use your fucking vest please! theres a drive by coming out tonight. | ||
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On October 05 2013 07:54 austinmcc wrote: Not attacking VE, showing him that according to what we know snb was a scum shot. OKAY THANK YOU UGH Koshi I'm sorry man, but I've been ignoring your posts because of how they're structured. I've been struggling with this for the better part of last cycle. I agree ultimately in spite of my random musing - and looking back knowing that, hiro might have been trying to warn us that he was not, in fact, shooting. So. That being said. The other scumteam was afraid of SnB then, so I'm going to go over SnB's posts in particular to look for the next lynch. | ||
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On October 02 2013 03:53 strongandbig wrote: Austin are you really planning on going allin on a last-hour-before-deadline switch to solstice? You're gonna have to persuade me that none of ft, shiaopi, or va are scum, and I'm currently of the opinion that at least one of them and probably two is/are. Like, if you're serious this is gonna take an effort. Or are you just trying to about taking a stance. You've said why you don't think ft is scum but you're gonna need to give us more than "I usually think shiaopi is town" and "no comment on va" before you can just abstain out of this lynch. I think we have our winner. Sorry VA, but I'm gonna side with the boys on this one. Tomorrow you get to convince me to remove my vote from you. For science. | ||
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Oh I'll be using my vest tonight friend. And I'll be asking that austin do the same. We've got to figure out if Wave is scum together while we remove you from the premises. | ||
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The Non-SnB-Containing-Scumteam feared something about SnB given that SnB was a scum shot. In SnB's last post, he mentioned three names. Two of them flipped town. So yes, it follows that since neither of them shot SnB that the third one did. | ||
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On October 05 2013 08:21 Pandain wrote: Sadly no Oats is going to be the best lynch tomorrow because he's most likely to be the last remaining member of the scum team. Actually all of his first 10 posts are about Palmar. Yet didn't want to lynch Palmar who advocated RNG. Didn't place suspicions either. Does this but then later tries to lynch FT and place suspicion on WoS. Overall actually pretty conclusive, look at his filter I left out a bunch of obvious stuff. Too connected to Palmar and too suspicious by his own posts. Nono, Vayne is the one. We take the sure scum over trying to find the last scum on the Bangers. Hell, the other scumteam may extinct the Bangers on accident! | ||
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So I'm biased against drawing a hard read of Oats. That being said, I'm like A THOUSAND percent sure Vayne is scum now. As convinced as you were during the early part of last cycle. I'm with you on that tip now. And I'd rather go with that then perhaps be wrong about Oats. | ||
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On October 05 2013 08:26 Pandain wrote: I 100% agree Vayne is scum that doesn't make him the best lynch. The only way you can convince me of a better lynch is if you can find SnB/Palmar's partner. I think. | ||
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On October 05 2013 08:32 VayneAuthority wrote: no, that he's just saying stupid shit so scum doesnt NK him tonight Explain how it's stupid please. We've established that you think it's retarded AND stupid, can you maybe explain why you think so? | ||
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On October 05 2013 08:57 austinmcc wrote: And 3! 3 so good! You may think Oats is wishy washy on Palmar, but check out WoS's mentions of Palmar throughout and tell me what his reads are why he has them. Austin, I'll never doubt your hod-dog-vendor-metaphor-tell ever again. Ever. | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:04 austinmcc wrote: I mean, it needs discussing and I'll pull some specific posts/groups of posts out later, if people can't bother to go read his filter. But without looking at EVERY filter, from what I remember and then his filter, he has the most scumteam-y opposition to the Palmar lynch. No real read. No real push AGAINST, just trying to shunt it away. Palmar becomes a scumread, but less than others, and it just felt the most "OH DEAR GOD NO NO NO NO NO GOTTA STOP THIS WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE I'M SUPER STOPPING IT." I mean - I argued against it. Just saying. | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:07 VayneAuthority wrote: The biggest scum trait for me austin was that he has often talked about pushing to policy lynch me, but this was the first game he has actually done it. And he has not been scum since then, so I still can't get that out of my mind. Mine was the whole wanting to policy lynch you then being so vehemently against it, to the point of spite, when Pandain was all about lynching you. | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Man i wanted to lynch WoS for his first post. And got called scum for it too.. This game has been so weird. :D It's cause you gotta KEEP UP man. You like to go away and then come back and tell everyone how stupid they are. And you're probably scum on the opposing team. | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:20 VayneAuthority wrote: yea oats makes sense to me as the last scum more then WoS. this isn't town oats regardless. he's quite active and going ham in that other game...notice how once SnB died that palmar and oats have dropped off the face of the earth. I was really mostly interested in you saying that Pandain was as good a lynch as Oats. So you're saying it's actually what Oats > Pandain > WoS from your perspective then? Or do you think Pandain could be the last member too? I'm just having a hard time sussing out what it is you're saying. | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno if you are still joking VE but Koshi has copped me as town! RAAAH RAAH AH AH AHH RAAH MAAA RAMAH AAH GAAAH GAAAH OOH LAA LAAAH | ||
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Maybe if Palmar comes. But that's like...not a good time for him. | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:35 austinmcc wrote: Scum may defend townies for points, but scum defending FT THAT hard is something I don't see. Once you call him town, try to push FT = town for a bit, you've done your job as scum. Pandain's posts on FT are so over-the-top and so constant that I really don't like him for scum. Obv. I'm trying to understand VA's perspective. | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Guise I'm not scum. I don't wanna spend a whole 72 hours defending myself. Please. Town. And this. Then spend 72 hours explaining why your teammates are better lynches. | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote: VE I'm sad you believe we are not fighting for the same side. We were brothers, remember? We can have that again. Fuck this next while is going to be tough for me, but I resolve to NOT GET LYNCHED. FOR TOWN. It will be like the Wave of old: I will rail against whoever I have to, however I have to. My faith in the town was but a mere ember, about to be extinguished but the spark has been LIT! I WILL NOT GO DOWN TO THE SCUM WITHOUT A FIGHT. TOWN WILL FUCKING WIN THIS GAME FUCK YES!! DO IT LIVE!!! | ||
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Make it your mission to find the last scum on the SnB/Palmar team. Like, there's talk that it's you. If it's not you, then FIND HIM AND DESTROY HIM!! | ||
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On October 05 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote: WoS on both scum teams confirmed What are the chances that we'd hit everyone but the one common element? Pretty outlandishly small I'd say. | ||
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There's like no way Pandain is scum, from my perspective. | ||
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On October 05 2013 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote: I can think of one reson. It's farfetched but I can't discount it. Simply because the kind of defense that Pandain laid up is likely to give him a huge townread like that one you're giving him. I also find it slightly hypocritical that you give Pandain a townread for sitting on a townread for ages and actively forcing it on people, and yet when I push a scumread for almost the entire game I must be scum because he flipped town. I know that's not the only reason you guys think I'm scum (associative tells ugh) but do you honestly think I'd so blatantly refuse to move off of FT if I were scum, KNOWING what he would flip? No, that's not a good reason. Because he couldn't have known that accepted townies would see it this way - he couldn't have known that town wasn't going to call him a blood traitor for bucking the town's predetermined lynch and turn on him. I'll agree that it's possible, but it's so vastly unlikely that I am comfortable discounting it. | ||
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On October 05 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote: OO here's another defense---it's one y'all like to use a lot, though once again I'm sure somehow it won't magically apply to me. Compare the percentage size of my filter in a bunch of games I've been in. The only scumgame I have ever played is probably my lowest post count percentagewise and I survived until endgame. I honestly think I posted more even in my survivor games. What excuse would I have to be this active and constantly drawing attention to myself? What scum member that has been caught has done that so far? Your activity is redeeming I'll admit, but framed so defensively it loses merit. And for someone saying that you didn't want to spend time defending yourself, you're sure doing exclusively that now. You're losing me Wave. I know you don't care, and bravado bullshit, but I'm just saying. | ||
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On October 05 2013 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote: VE's dreams will be shattered soon =( What are you talking about? | ||
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Like...it just rubbed me the wrong way dude no need to get shitty about it. | ||
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On October 05 2013 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote: orianna is VE right now. he's just throwin darts and missing everywhere You know what, you're right. I'll just fuck off I guess. Who needs someone in here trying to find scum right? Maybe the scum will find themselves....again. | ||
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On October 05 2013 11:11 austinmcc wrote: If you have magical Koshi-is-lying and VE-isn't-confirmed information, then speak. If you don't, he's town. Maybe he's missing shockwaves, but you KNOW he's town. It's not "luck", it's not "not clear that [VE is] town", he IS. So who (other than very-very-very-likely-VE) do you KNOW is town and why? He's saying he's one of "the most active posters" austin. He's saying that I'm scummy for pushing him. Do you believe this horseshit? | ||
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On October 05 2013 11:18 VayneAuthority wrote: too many emotional posters ZZz makes the game unfun when it's like talking to a 13 year old girl You know what else makes the game not fun? Players who don't play the fucking game. I guess we all have to deal with something. | ||
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Like, if you're town Vayne what is the point of intentionally trying to infuriate someone who A) is confirmed town B) clearly cares about the game C) is active ??? I don't get it. I was even railing AGAINST YOUR LYNCH yesterday man! Why are you doing this? | ||
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On October 05 2013 11:24 VayneAuthority wrote: can you tell me what was "good" about it? He said I was scum because 2 other people flipped town and therefore I am scum! on some random post in SnB's filter. Regardless of the outcome of this game I will make sure to make fun of that for a while in future games MY THOUGHT PROCESS WAS EXPLICIT! THE OPPOSING SCUM TEAM SHOT HIM - SOMETHING IN HIS FILTER SCARED THEM - THAT WAS THE LAST POST HE MADE BEFORE DYING!! IT'S NOT AN UNREASONABLE THOUGHT-PROCESS AT ALL MOTHERFUCKER, I DON'T GIVE A FLYING SHIT WHETHER YOU "KNOW" YOUR ALIGNMENT, I FUCKING DON'T | ||
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I was having fun this game too. Fuck you Vayne. | ||
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Regarding austin, the last post. | ||
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On October 05 2013 13:02 s0Lstice wrote: austin I still want to know why you are so slimy On October 05 2013 13:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Because he demands actions speak for townies, but can't call me scum in spite of every action I take being anti-town. That's why. | ||
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My point is that obviously your premise is flawed when you start from the actions to judge someone's towniness because every action I've taken has been anti-town and if you believe Koshi, you know I'm town. Townies take anti-town action every page of every game. | ||
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On October 05 2013 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Pandain townreads Cheesecake, but Cheesecake is one of the people perpetuating the "myth of SnB association with FT" during his rants. Relevant? I'd like someone who's not me to comment on this please. | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:42 Palmar wrote: Given this: Shouldn't you at least show my points against FT the respect of offering input, anything? It seems very strange to not at least consider what my analysis means. I have never played with the guy so I wouldn't know if being awful is just what he does, how about you help out instead chasing policy lynches. If we policy lynch we can decide that much later in the day. There's an argument to be made for this post showing Palmar steering scrutiny away from Vayne - though it could just as easily be Palmar trying to get a lynch on a townie. Still reading | ||
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We better, or I'm lynching YOU Wave. | ||
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On September 27 2013 23:01 Oatsmaster wrote: What have I done to be granted town? Thats cool and all, but I have done nothing. This post makes me think Oats makes me feel pretty good about Oats, but it's isolated...a deserted island in a vast sea of Null. | ||
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On October 06 2013 00:35 austinmcc wrote: oats/solstice/va/cheese Somewhere in there imo +1 | ||
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Wave can you sum up succinctly why you're suspecting austin for scum? Surely it goes beyond "He thinks I'm scum, and austin is better than that" right? | ||
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On October 06 2013 06:40 s0Lstice wrote: can I ask why you have been such a meek confirmed cop? you could pretty much run this town however you want and you seem to have no desire to be a leader. Is this question designed to find scum in some fashion? | ||
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On October 06 2013 07:48 VayneAuthority wrote: yes I do. once CR spoke up about me only then is when pandain started hard pushing me, so it was either pre meditated or scum team is abusing a newbie which is pretty despicable. From yesterday I was going to have CR vote, pandain vote, VE vote, potentially your vote it looks like? and WoS could easily just say "YES POLICY LYNCH TIME" that's already 5 votes. Well there are two things wrong with the bolded here: 1) You never thought my suspicion was serious in the first place - thought I was just being stupid or whatever. And 2) I was shot last night. So your whole "premeditated mislynch" is just bullshit. | ||
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On October 06 2013 08:27 austinmcc wrote: How you feel about cc/VA/CR/(WoS or solstice) And...wos or solstice? Any major thoughts? This post makes me wonder. On October 06 2013 07:12 Chairman Ray wrote: The most productive action today would be to try to lynch the remaining banger so we reduce KP. I still think that VA is that person, and I will most likely be pushing to lynch him today. Out of the surviving players, we still have: Koshi VisceraEyes Mr. Cheesecake Oatsmaster raynpelikoneet Chairman Ray WaveofShadow VayneAuthority austinmcc Pandain s0lstice With Koshi, rayn, VE, and Oats confirmed town, that leaves myself, CC, WoS, austin, Pandain, and solstice to be in the other mafia. I know I'm town, and I think that WoS and austin are town, so that leaves CC, Pandain and solstice. Anyways, I think that solstice strikes to be the most scum to me out of the bunch. His filter is mostly him questioning other people for reads and just saying certain people are a bit scummy or suspicious. He hasn't done any in depth reads or pushed strongly on anyone. This is something I find particularly scummy just because it makes you look town without helping town a whole lot. He was onto me at some point, but defended me at the end. I appreciate it, but I still can't take it as a bribe, because it's still fits within mafia agenda. I think that the best strategy for the second scum team to do right now is get a lot of town influence so they can have a mislynch the next day. Today we're obviously just lynching the last banger. Tomorrow we'll be looking for the second scumteam. With thee votepower on their side, it's really easy to get a mislynch. Solstice seems to be slowly pushing onto CC and austin, and I want to bring this up now before it happens in case one or both are town. If CC is town, then maybe I'm wrong on my WoS or austin read and one of them is actually mafia. It definitely makes sense for mafia to defend me and push for stronger targets, because tbh I don't think I'm a threat to mafia, but both CC and austin are, and a mislynch on them could be gamechanging. I think I'm going to be dissolving my trust on anyone except for the confirmed townies because the dominant strategy right now for mafia is to just gain influence. If a single townie is influences, then we might lose this. I don't wanna be that towny that votes wrong. So my recommendation is to lynch VA today, and then solstice tomorrow. ##Vote: VayneAuthority Like - there aren't a WHOLE lot of options, but you think bussing is the option he'd be choosing right now? | ||
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Austin, what makes CC scum to you? | ||
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On October 06 2013 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: This...this just seems so fucking ridiculous. Does nobody share the sentiment with me that there is no fucking way in hell CR would blatantly state that he wants to save Palmar if they were on the same scumteam? If Palmar was saved - as in, if FT came back and voted and we all switched back onto FT, then there's absolutely no harm in saying that he wanted to save Palmar. I said it myself Wave, he could just be like "Yeah well VE said it too why are you suspicious of me for it?" Obviously they couldn't have known one way or the other and I agree that it seems unlikely...but not impossible and certainly not above consideration. | ||
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Pretty sure I answered your question. Unless there was more? | ||
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s0l replaced in guys. Rol remember? This is all bullshit. | ||
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You were bringing up being newbie as part of the reason this is so bad, right? Because you're "not used to playing blue" and because "you don't know how this shit works" etc etc. However, being cognizant of that, you expect us to believe that rather than doing the right thing (hard-confirming Cheese) you were going to PLAY A LITTLE GAME with Cheese. That you're so good that you could pull off some kind of crazy mafia-claim play to find the ENTIRE scumteam. You can only have it one way s0L, you're either too newb or 2legit, you can't be both. And this is where your story falls down as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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On October 07 2013 02:01 VayneAuthority wrote: austin/pandain/s0lstice nuff said kill em all bye You're missing one. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:29 s0Lstice wrote: Tell me why you are so sure I am not the cop. Go. I'm more inclined to believe Koshi because he provided, unsolicited, info on how the cop role works. Info that your version of the story is based on unless I'm mistaken. I find it exceedingly hard to believe that you let Koshi go on confirming townies while you were in the background knowing he's a liar regardless of his alignment, claiming scum to CC "to find scum". It's a hard, bitter pill you're expecting townies who are actually reading and thinking about the game to take. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm more inclined to believe Koshi because he provided, unsolicited, info on how the cop role works. Info that your version of the story is based on unless I'm mistaken. I find it exceedingly hard to believe that you let Koshi go on confirming townies while you were in the background knowing he's a liar regardless of his alignment, claiming scum to CC "to find scum". It's a hard, bitter pill you're expecting townies who are actually reading and thinking about the game to take. Bolded is the part that I have the hardest time believing a town-cop would allow. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:50 s0Lstice wrote: and did everyone miss how he clarified how both him and hiro shot someone on N1? do I need to go back and quote it again? Please. I'm having a hard time keeping up. | ||
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Would not a scum s0L have to have sacrificed KP to payphone Cheese? That doesn't make any sense at all does it? Think about it - that means that they're trading one of their members (if they're wrong about Cheese being scum) while at the same time losing out on KP, in exchange for what? | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:12 WaveofShadow wrote: If payphone is 0.5 then no. He could have had 1.5 KP. How? Both teams have 1KP, which doesn't round up. If he sac'd KP then he couldn't have shot. | ||
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The right play in my opinion is lynching the one-man scumteam - deciding who we think that is, and lynching it with fire. In this way we remove 1 KP from the game and 1 player not aligned with town and even if scum hit two people tonight, we still have a chance tomorrow. If we hit town with the lynch the game is over. | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:43 WaveofShadow wrote: If Koshi had come back and said the cop claim was a fakeclaim I probably would be agreeing to what Austin is suggesting, but VE absolutely has the right of it now. One of Koshi or Solstice is guaranteed scum. You don't get better than a 50% shot. I honestly don't even care if it turns out the scummer here is a member of the non-Bangers. Then you're scum because if it hits anyone other than the Bangers town loses. | ||
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7-1-3 right now I think. If we lynch the scum in the cop claims it's either 7-0-3 or 7-1-2 Assuming worst case (7-1-2) then tonight we could be looking at 3KP if DriveBy was used...making 4-1-2 So the game isn't OVER, per se, but we're definitely in a bad situation assuming scum kill the real cop and 2 of the confirmed town (Me/rayn/Oats if Koshi is cop, Me/Wave if s0L is cop) | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:50 Pandain wrote: I have to go unfortunately but these were my reasons: 1. I had a town read on Koshi up until the s0lstice claim. I would have at least been suspicious of him, but he played exactly like a cop even denying that he's cop and then eventually acknowledging it. 2. He's been slowly confirming townies which is what a cop should do . Furthermore all his confirmations in VE, Rayn, and Oats(less on Oats) I have town reads on. That logic makes sense if he's town. On the other side of the coin we have s0Lstice, who is letting a confirmed liar confirm people as town and letting town lynch based on these confirmations. In the name of some plan to claim scum, hoping that town believes him and doesn't lynch the shit out of him. This is not how I expect a cop to act. Ever. | ||
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##Vote: s0Lstice I think this is my final answer guys. If I'm wrong, I'm pretty meh about it. | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:57 WaveofShadow wrote: SEE VE? We agree on so much and have been thinking the same way on this. Y u still gotta think I'm scum? Alphonse. Brother. You've been saying I'm going to lose all game. You've been saying my team isn't good enough to win ALL GAME LONG. You're going to have to excuse my defensiveness against this sentiment. | ||
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6-1-3 or 7-0-3 or 7-1-2 We can't even begin to speculate on the night actions because A) we don't know if s0lstice or Koshi is lying STILL, so we don't know what cop actions are available and B) We still don't know what scum KP is available. So we're still looking for 3 KP tomorrow morning which would leave us: 3-1-3 or 4-0-3 or 4-1-2 Regardless of who is killed, it's safe to say that Koshi and s0L will still be alive tomorrow imo. I don't like these odds. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:10 s0Lstice wrote: Our night actions do not break the rules by which you are judging me. On my side of the coin, you and WoS are confirmed, except we also killed a scum s&b. I've already explained the thought processes behind why I chose to act the way i did in regards to Koshi. He 'confirmed' you, and then Rayn and oats. I didn't know what I thought of rayn, but I certainly didn't like Oats. This contributed to the change in opinion. I knew that if he indeed was going to be a townie acting as a cop to protect me he'd have to be fabricating night actions. Put yourself in my shoes for a second. Oh s0L. Oh s0L. You have no idea. I've BEEN in your shoes. I've BEEN in crazy fucking claim situations like this before. Did I ever tell you about the time I was a detective and tried to convince town that one of my redchecks that flipped green was actually a DEATHMILLER? If you're town, I can assure you - no one understands the position you're in than me. But what you have to understand is that this all looks terribly suspect, and if you were actually the cop, this is something you would have HAD to factor in. The timing is suspicious, the circumstances are suspicious, EVERYTHING is suspicious about this. Surely you realize this. | ||
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##Unvote But I'm serious about having to leave. But I'll be watching from my phone. | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote: And it's shit like this that makes me really REALLY mad at Koshi if he is town. +1 | ||
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On October 07 2013 05:30 s0Lstice wrote: Like, VE, you have a problem with me acting how I did as cop. Being a cop is fucking difficult. The only other time I've been 'blue' is in PTP where everyone was at least a little blue, and I basically got lynched day 1 there. It's just not a skill I have (right now anyway). I'll remind you too that I have NEVER been lynched. The two times where I've been even really close is here and PTP, both of which are related to blueness. This isn't a coincidence. At least do me a favor and go read my lone scum game that I have on my record and compare. It's Basterd Mini Mafia. Then: WHY WOULD YOU HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN YOURSELF AND YOUR READS ENOUGH TO THINK YOU CAN CATCH THE WHOLE SCUMTEAM?!?! SOLSICE THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE - YOU'RE EXPECTING US TO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE PLAYING THIS WAY AS A RESULT OF BEING NEWB BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DOING NEXT-LEVEL MINDGAMES WITH THE ENTIRE OPPOSING FORCE!!! DO YOU NOT SEE HOW THIS IS A HUGE CONTRADICTION?! | ||
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Wave: you're on claim-duty. Pressure both claims, and get as much information out of BOTH of them as you can. This will help us out tomorrow IF we decide to leave them until tomorrow. For myself, I'm going to be watching and thinking and considering and I'll post my thoughts on the situation with WELL enough time to swing the lynch if I think that's what we need to do. And Shepherds we shall be For thee, my Lord, for thee. Power hath descended forth from Thy hand Our feet may swiftly carry out Thy commands. So we shall flow a river forth to Thee And teeming with souls shall it ever be. In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti. | ||
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In my opinion, the most beneficial thing we can do for town is to find the last Banger and remove that KP. I think this is of paramount importance, and EVERYONE in town should give their thoughts on that specific matter. Regardless of everything that's happening with the claims, the most important factor in prolonging the game is removing KP. Now, regardless of what you think of the claims, it seems me that s0Lstice is NOT the last Banger. If thisthis is a bad assumption please explain why. If we can find the last Banger in the next 23 hours, that's who we should lynch. | ||
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Showing your work is for the rest in town who see a counterclaim and thirst for mafia blood. I think it's highly unlikely that s0L is the last Banger regardless of alignment, and he's pretty unanimously the vote leader. You're showing your work to save the town, not to convince me. | ||
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On October 07 2013 07:49 Pandain wrote: It's all good. Since I'm under suspicion I won't get shot tonight and then I'll lead town to victory tomorrow in an epic showdown. Help us find last Banger. | ||
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Austin, thank you for trying, but as I suspected town is fucking set on this lynch. s0Lstice if you're really the cop I hope you'll think twice before claiming scum as town again. Ultimately I agree that s0Lstice is most likely scum, I just retain that I doubt he's the last Banger. Hopefully I'm wrong I guess. | ||
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3 scum and 4 townies. Out of Pandain, Oats, rayn, austin, Cheese, CR, VA, there are 4 townies and 3 scum. The odds are almost exactly the same as choosing between the cop claims. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote: But better odds w/cop claims by a little. And if we're looking for MCB you think we won't find it in solstice? I'm not sure why you think that honestly. It's actually really simple. The MCB is alone now, and in order to win he's got to kill everyone on the other scumteam IN ADDITION to all the townies. I find it far more likely that the MCB would have used his KP to kill last night - he's got SO MANY people to kill before he can win, and using KP for anything BUT killing is only prolonging the game (which is bad for scum). Now, don't ask me why if s0L is a Baller, he used the Payphone. I really honestly don't know his motivations. Maybe he was hoping to reach out to the final Banger in an attempt to work together. Maybe the whole intention was to counterclaim cop (though I doubt this as it was so messy and came out of nowhere). But in spite of it not making much sense, I find it more likely than the last Banger using Payphone. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:08 Koshi wrote: And mine didn't??? DSQFDQFQSDFQDFQSDFQSDFQSDF All you've been doing is coming in here and calling anyone retarded who doubts you. Now stop bitching and moaning and let people who actually care about trying to win try to win. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:00 Koshi wrote: Well WoS, you are horrible. Like seriously. Horrible. RAH RAH SISBOOMBAH | ||
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On September 27 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote: Hiro pro interesting guy. Do like. Need to follow up though. Otherwise will lynch. Like..... Maybe we should just lynch Koshi and #YOLO | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:12 Koshi wrote: Payphone is 0,5KP. He shot VE. Probably had to use Payphone or Molotov for 0,5. Gambled. Lost. ezpz. | ||
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But Koshi is being really....closed to this whole thing. Like, he doesn't appear to want people to figure out the game. And he's ABSOLUTELY AGAINST lynching anyone but s0Lstice. Ugh, this is such a weird situation. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:28 WaveofShadow wrote: VE do you at least agree with me that the objective 'right call' here based on counterclaim situation is to lynch Solstice? Can we work together from there? No objectively we should be bending our entire will to finding the last Banger and lynching him. But I get that you think those objectives are the same. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: VisceraEyes and Oatsmaster When you come back, read pages 233-238 before anything else and give your opinion on my actions during those pages before reading anything else!!!! What am I looking for here? What do you want my comment on? | ||
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Why are you asking? Like, do you just want affirmation that it wasn't totally retarded or something? | ||
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Let me go take a look. | ||
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So I'm still expecting 3 KP, unless the Banger tries something cute and does a driveby hoping to survive tomorrow. | ||
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On October 08 2013 05:21 Koshi wrote: .... Yeah, I was toying around and it wasn't really close. S0lstice didn't do this to get me lynched. But sure. It could be a reason. Dumbest idea 2013-2016. This is why I fucking hate that you're confirmed cop now Koshi. You asked a question and I answered it and you're like "lolnope" without saying at all why you don't think that's the case. I'm fucking done with you. Do what you gotta do tonight, but don't expect ANYTHING in the way of discourse with me. We're fucking done. | ||
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On October 08 2013 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS/Pandain with a small chance of VA (i'd say, from top of my head). I'll look at it before the deadline and give my opinion. Now i gtg. I looked over Wave first. There's obviously the big push against the Palmar wagon - I think the most significant part about that action was the fact that he was doing so under the pretense "I don't want to sheep this wagon, I'm not sure of him being scum because I can't read him, etc etc" But earlier in the game when people were talking about him he was actually TOWNIE on Palmar - or at least enough so to point at a couple of posts that he made on the matter. Observe: On September 30 2013 07:31 WaveofShadow wrote: I agree with this. If people are looking into Palmar I wouldn't mind someone's thoughts on this: So during the FT push, why not state clearly that he had a townread on Palmar and that's why he didn't want to vote for him? Why make extra special sure that town knows that "I can't read Palmar for dicks"? He literally never mentions SnB before he dies except to exclaim that he's "dropping bombs". Overall, Banger score of 7.5/10. Moving on to Pandain. | ||
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But at the end, he was firmly in favor of lynching Palmar. I'll be honest here - if Pandain is scum, this feels more like scum on the OPPOSITE side of the tracks from Palmar. He hardly mentions SnB at all - aside from giving him a town read. Banger Score: 5/10 | ||
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On October 08 2013 06:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Watch me lose the game AGAIN VE. IF YOU CONTINUE BEING KIND OF A DICK. I'm not being a dick, I'm trying to keep myself FROM being a dick by removing pretty much the only circumstance that would CAUSE me to be a dick, which is you not hearing what I say in spite of me saying it clearly the first time. I promise I'll do everything I can to help you win Oats, because you're on my team. | ||
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On October 08 2013 06:59 austinmcc wrote: WELL NOBODY IS COMMENTING SO AT LEAST THE SECOND POST IS SOMEWHAT WORTHWHILE. Sorry. And this is something I've been poking at for...72 hours now. And it's finally going to get poked at a little more. So you're gonna have to excuse me commenting/getting hype. No it's fine I was mostly joking anyway. I did open up CR's filter and I disagree. The biggest thing in his filter that I see tying him to the Bangers is his insistence that Palmar and SnB are NOT on the same team, like calls it impossible. So like...why would he say that knowing Palmar has scrutiny on him and COULD be lynched? I'm not saying it's impossible just really unlikely. | ||
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On October 08 2013 07:21 austinmcc wrote: I GOT PULLED BACK IN NOW. Here's that post - I agree that his explicit statement that he wants to save Palmar looks non-MCB. But in context of the post as a WHOLE, (I)I think that townieness fades. The parts where he reads Palmar or talks about Palmar's alignment are in red. The post, in summation says: (1) Palmar might be a good lynch candidate, I wouldn't vote him myself just because I want to get rid of SnB's scumteam. Indicating that CR finds Palmar scummy. He MIGHT be a good lynch candidate (we lynch scum). And he shouldn't be lynched because we want to clear out SnB's team (i.e., Palmar would be on the other team, but still scum, not "Palmar is town so don't lynch"). (2) Palmar might flip scum, might flip town. (3) I wanna save Palmar. While he DOES say he wants to read Palmar, that post as a whole just sort of skirts giving any kind of actual READ on Palmar. Whereas WoS explicitly says can't read can't read can't read, CR manages to post about Palmar, Palmar's alignment, and why he's not lynching Palmar, without ever really taking a stance.(II) It's clear that he doesn't want to lynch Palmar. It's clear he wants to save Palmar. But the way that post ADDRESSES Palmar, he's scum but on the other team, might be town, might be scum, let's save him, is scummy imo.(III) And for the rest of the cycle, despite dropping a couple other posts, CR never addresses Palmar. Pre-switch, post-switch, while asking whether FT will get modkilled, CR stays entirely to the side of the issue of Palmar's alignment. I. It never looked townie, it looked non-MCB...and it doesn't STOP looking non-MCB just because he's wifflywaffly about Palmar's alignment. He said the words "I'm voting FT because I want to save Palmar". That is not likely to come from Palmar's scummate. Full Stop. II. Wave is equally, if not more suspicious, for what you cite here. Except Wave actually goes back on a townread he gave Palmar in order to espouse the sentiment that he can't read Palmar. III. It IS scummy, you're right. But it doesn't make him any more likely Palmar's partner. | ||
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On October 08 2013 08:04 Pandain wrote: One of my biggest things with CC is he's literally not doing shit, but it doesn't mean he's playing scummy. 1. Koshi 2. VisceraEyes 3. Mr. Cheesecake 5. Oatsmaster 7. raynpelikoneet 9. Chairman Ray 12. WaveofShadow 13. VayneAuthority 15. JarJarDrinks replaced by austinmcc 16. Pandain Assuming there are three shots tomorrow and they all hit town, we will be at 4-2-1, no? Scum will have to go after Koshi or Confirmed people. This is Koshi, VE, Oats, and Rayn . Confirmed Town should all use their vests tonight to try and avoid a scenario where scum and town numbers are even and there aren't any confirmed town. Then scum can use their numbers and win with even a single misplaced vote. + Show Spoiler + Admittedly it's more tricky then that assuming scum aren't in contact with each other It's important especially if you're confirmed town so we can win in end game. Unconfirmed people Do not use vests there is no reason to use vests . Koshi should not or at least scum can't really tell what he's aiming to do, so allow him the possibility to shoot one of the unconfirmed. If you use a vest and he shoots you, then you're scum and we lynch you. Anyone disagree ? I doubt scum will go after each other until they're numbers are close. If they are in contact I can't see the MCB guy winning given 2 v 1. I think a lot of this is common sense but I want to get this out there. Still have to read Austin and WoS sigh. I don't disagree here. I would love for scum to shoot into unconfirmed people and make me find the Banger out of the remainders. | ||
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On September 30 2013 00:40 Palmar wrote: Probably Town Koshi - Probably town, if scum he played getting hit by the RNG pretty well. VisceraEyes - Keep an eye out on how much of a leadership role he takes. He was very townie early on in day 1, but I'm somewhat unsure how much of a role he truly played in the yamato lynch. I need to re-read. If he starts fading into the background reconsider, but for now town. Oatsmaster - Confrontational and an asshole, completely useless too, so that kinda fits him being town Blazinghand - Probably town, needs to be more in the forefront. WaveofShadow - Too active, too free-flowing and engages easily with people to be scum. Pandain - His case was ok. If he keeps trying he's town. Pandain is awful as scum anyway so he'll fuck up sooner or later if he is. Haven't analysed/read at all: Chairman Ray Mr. Cheesecake VayneAuthority austinmcc Only done a quick read/null: strongandbig - if I die he's less likely (only slightly) to be scum (unlikely his scumteam would shoot me after he spends time creating a case on me), but I have no idea really, I think his case was wrong because of bads, not because of malicious. ShiaoPi - One of the best candidates for re-reading. He hasn't done anything worth noting all game, at least that I noticed. I'm going to look into him when I have time. raynpelikoneet - Don't really know. Grackaroni - Again, read some, no conclusion Scummy people hiro protagonist - His start was awfully conservative. I still haven't spent time looking at his later posts, but yeah. RebirthOfLeGenD - Said he'd catch up, didn't. FirmTofu - See my earlier analysis. Haven't paid attention to him since. This was Palmar's big reads post. Posting it for my benefit. | ||
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The fact of the matter is that the rest of this game is going to be difficult, and I'm trying to explore ALL options. I made a post that explains why I think you're more likely Banger than CR and Pandain. If I'm wrong then fine, but at least I know that I was wrong after reading and coming to my own conclusion. Association is HOW you find mafia, so no I'm not going to just 'drop the association cases' because that's fucking dumb. If you think they should hold less weight, then that's your prerogative. Right now we have three flipped scum, so I'm going to look through their filters and the filters of everyone in the game to see how they all line up because that's how the fucking game is played. | ||
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On October 08 2013 09:23 VayneAuthority wrote: funny that you bring up weird relationships....cough pandain/austin cough hard defending each other this entire game and both tunneling me. 2 scum left. interesting There are three scum left. Not quite as interesting as you thought, maybe. | ||
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On October 08 2013 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote: And Austin was attacking him. This was the part I was interested in. s0Lstice put a LOT of effort into that claim. Go back and look at it - not for info, just to gaze upon its glory. It was everything I've ever wanted any of my fake-claims in the past to be. So WHY did he claim scum all of a sudden? | ||
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On October 08 2013 10:05 Pandain wrote: I assume VE it's because he messaged someone he thought was mafia and that person revealed him. Nonono, he claimed COP because of that. I mean why did he claim SCUM in the thread? | ||
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On October 08 2013 10:34 austinmcc wrote: A lot of the reasons that WoS might be scum are his actions during the day of the Palmar lynch and his read on Palmar. Those are WAY less relevant if he's not on Palmar's team. He looks scummy only via Palmar, and if he's not MCB he wouldn't KNOW that Palmar was scum. If he's not MCB, he COULD be scum, but it's way less likely than too many other folks. This. The only reason I'm even considering Wave was based on how he acted during the Palmar lynch, and his refusal to consider lynching outside the cops. Now that we know that the fake-claim was from the other team, this makes Wave in particular look much worse because the logic in lynching OUTSIDE the claims was strong enough that Wave should have at least considered it if he's town (by my estimation). He didn't. | ||
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What's the simpler explanation to accept: Wave is Scum ____ Wave is Town ____ Please check all that apply. (When you're done making the simplicity argument, I'm willing to have further discussion with you.) | ||
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The RIGHT play. For scum! | ||
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But no, it's not all on you. Your neck is just in squeezin range. | ||
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But being alone does something to a man. You don't come out of that kind of solitude in a QT the same. And VE! God VE won't shut up about finding the last Banger. You heard him he's vesting up e'ery night. We don't even have to worry about his KP anymore. Because of fucking PRESSURE. This is a town victory, not a sad tale of ChairmanRay's bad game. | ||
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Anyway, this changes everything. | ||
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If both cops are alive, then NEXT day, they BOTH have to still be alive in order for the lie not to be blown. In order to ensure that, they have to either Vest s0L or RB Koshi. And they'd have to spend KP to do it. | ||
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On October 09 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: If Koshi and Solstice are both alive, they have to use item to block Koshi or prevent shot. If Solstice is dead, why do they suddenly now NOT have to block Koshi? Because they can just SHOOT him rayn! He had to be alive as long as s0L was alive (because the scums want you to believe that s0L is the cop and Koshi mafia!) so now instead of blocking him, they can just shoot him because town KNOWS he's the cop now. | ||
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What austin did makes sense just fine. The plan was fine. HE WANTED US TO LYNCH CR MAN! | ||
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The vast majority of town was on Koshi's side. VAST MAJORITY. Whether we killed s0L or not, that's a fact. If both s0L and Koshi were alive, it doesn't matter how much WIFOM there is about rayn/Oats/Koshi - MOST of town was going to be on our side. Also factor in rayn: s0L CLAIMED SCUM IN THE THREAD! HE WANTED TO DIE!! WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS MAN? BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT US LYNCHING THE BANGER INSTEAD!! | ||
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So I'm not gonna. BYYEEEEE | ||
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Will you at least admit to that? s0Lstice put his fucking LIFE into that claim. | ||
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On October 08 2013 00:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Like..... Maybe we should just lynch Koshi and #YOLO Actually I did rayn, get your facts straight. | ||
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I may lynch austin with you rayn. But we've gotta lynch CR first. | ||
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I'm done reading his posts, and want to lynch him after CR. I find it far more likely that he's scum in this situation considering his sudden resurgence in activity...like he knows he's in danger now that the last Banger is in the open, and people will start looking for him. | ||
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On October 09 2013 04:55 austinmcc wrote: Technically a poison wouldn't infect you. But yeah, I agree. Any last second pandain thoughts? I'm at a loss with that guy. He's capable of looking very town if he's scum. Rayn is right though, D1 through D2 he did virtually nothing. And his Palmar stuff is suspicious. Beyond that, I can't say for certain. He broke me in Noir with regard to reading him. | ||
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On October 09 2013 02:13 VisceraEyes wrote: There is a possibility that CR is Baller fake claiming Banger for the purposes of preserving KP through tomorrow night. Someone who people will listen to should see how likely they find that. I say not very, but thought I should mention it. On October 09 2013 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Ballers... Winning games by claiming scum since 2013 I've never been so happy to be wrong. GG Koshi. ##Vote: ChairmanRay | ||
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On October 09 2013 05:00 Koshi wrote: So I used PS on Pandain. I trust rayn and VA that they are right. VA could be scum but I don't think so and so do Oats and rayn. I also think that CR is telling the truth about vesting, so there should only be a max of 2 night actions. This means that if there is only 1/2 night action you guys should note down it is possible that I was RB and Shot and that Pandain still might be scum. If there are 2/3 actions you should know he is town... It's kinda fucked up with CR maybe not using his KP rofl.... Ah well you guys can do the math if I am dead. <Disclaimer> I didn't have buss left anymore, Hiro used it on N2 because I thought I would get shot. LOL nm | ||
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On October 09 2013 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Last scum may be difficult---the Pandain death imo doesn't clear any one of Austin/VA/CC. I don't even think I have an order of preference anymore. Man Koshi thank you SO much for shooting Pandain I don't have to do a massive filter dive and fight with him all day now. No shit I was dreading making a read on that guy. | ||
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On October 09 2013 06:01 austinmcc wrote: VA, the biggest thing in your favor based on the flips isn't you and CR being on a team, it's the people that got got. I honestly expected to see shots at 2-3 of Koshi/VE/WoS. That leaves scum and people trying to push a mislynch on me, whether you're town or scum. The fact that those WEREN'T the kills means that I'm not being set up as much as I think, and increases the chances of CC over you, because the kill went on OATS. Oats getting killed ensures maximum pissing match between you/people who think you're town and me/people who think i'm town/might be town. Logic is flawed - no one is being setup for lynch today because CR is the lynch today regardless what happens. | ||
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On October 09 2013 06:15 VayneAuthority wrote: Read over mr.CC filter and filter s0lstice/chairman ray and also the post where he announces s0lstice as scum. all very fishy and tell me what you think. Austin on the other hand has played like absolute shit this game and has contradicted himself one too many times. also constantly mentions both s0lstice and chairman ray. Could go either way. not sure who I want to lynch first but we'll see what happens. You know it's funny that I'm instrumental to scum victory when I want to lynch you, and someone whose opinion you seek when I don't. | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: We lynch CR because wew have a mislynch. Don't even think about anything else. This is another fucking ploy to derail the discussion. Just stop. You're the one trying to derail discussion by saying there is no other option. I'm not going to policy lynch CR this close to LYLO. If you're not willing to bend, just shut the hell up and let me talk to those who are. | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all, CR is scum. Second, Vayne is not scum with him. That is impossible given the interactions + Vaynes stance on Pandain. It is beneficial for the 3-man scumteam to sacrifice people over saving Pandain. It gives scum more KP in total, and once the last banger sees the other team is helping them they help each other until town is not in such a good position we are. It doesn't matter if you have 3 people alive, it's more beneficial to have one guy hiding and the other (1-man) scumteam alive for double KP. It also creates a lot of wifom due to night actions. This went to shit when Koshi shot Pandain. There is no other scumteam anymore. When CR gets lynched we are 5-1 instead of 5-1-1 (which is a good spot for scum -- if well hidden). As scum, you do not want to remove KP, even if it from a different team, especially as you have in 2 last phases helped out the other scumteam to survive (remember, me and Vayne were gunning hard for Pandain lynch RIGHT after Noir ended and never let go of that -- and never wouldn't). If Solstice would not have fakeclaimed on D4 we would have lynched Pandain. Trust me, we would have done it. That would have been incredibly bad spot for remaining scum. 7-3, cop alive, you have 1 KP, 4/7 of the town is confirmed, there are vests. Imagine it? ChairmanRay is scum, Vayne is town. That's a fucking fact. Because Vayne was gunning hard for Pandain lynch, and that would not have been good play if Vayne is scum with Sol/CR. Also VE, trust me, the other team had figured out Pandain is scum. Bolded is what I find the most compelling, although I will say that because Pandain was the Banger it ceases to be as cut-and-dry and you're making it out to be. It's not bad play for the solo scum to go hard after scum on the team...in fact it's strictly speaking really good play because if he gets Vayne lynched he looks all the better for it. | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: It does not work anymore because Pandain died. Scum are in a fucking bad spot. Especially how the discussion has gone at the start of tody. As soon as i saw Pandain being the last banger i knew Vayne is town. There is no other explanation. If you gun hard for other mafia team's people, they might kill you. You want to hold hands and stay silent and not disturb them because it helps you more (see Palmar for example) as you kill townies together, and when the time is right you win the game with one big blow. You're just twisting things around to fit your view of them. Like you always do. I'm going to talk to Wave - he's sufficiently paranoid to discuss this seriously with me. | ||
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And I'm not saying what's more likely. I'm saying that it's possible and you're saying it's impossible. There's a fucking OCEAN of difference. I don't know what's more likely, that's what I want to talk to people who don't have their minds made up about the situation about. | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:35 Chairman Ray wrote: Since Vayne and Pandain are on different teams, Vayne would not have known 100% that Pandain was the scum. That is unless they somehow communicated. Looking at how the payphone thing went, it's pretty apparent that they didn't communicate, and their reads on who's mafia are quite unreliable. This makes it reasonable for Vayne to push onto Pandain. I am doing the exact same thing by pushing onto Vayne turn after turn. By using the same logic, if I think that he is the last banger and I am a part of the other scumteam, then I wouldn't try to push him. You can read all my pushes onto Vayne. Does it seem like I knew 100% that Pandain was the last mafia, so that I push onto Vayne, who I think is 100% town? Can you explain what you mean by the bolded? | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:35 Chairman Ray wrote: Since Vayne and Pandain are on different teams, Vayne would not have known 100% that Pandain was the scum. That is unless they somehow communicated. Looking at how the payphone thing went, it's pretty apparent that they didn't communicate, and their reads on who's mafia are quite unreliable. This makes it reasonable for Vayne to push onto Pandain. I am doing the exact same thing by pushing onto Vayne turn after turn. By using the same logic, if I think that he is the last banger and I am a part of the other scumteam, then I wouldn't try to push him. You can read all my pushes onto Vayne. Does it seem like I knew 100% that Pandain was the last mafia, so that I push onto Vayne, who I think is 100% town? RAY ANSWER THIS. WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THE BOLDED STATEMENT? | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holy shit WoS, are you scum? Seriously. You put fakeclaiming and lying as town in the same category of claiming scum, when there are zero advantages to do so as town. Dude says he has a big post of reads. "Post it". Takes an hour, apparently he typed the post up there. Pressure on. Cracks under pressure. What's next. HE DECIDES THAT HIS BEST CHANCE AS TOWN TO HELP THE TOWN IS TO CLAIM SCUM! ROFLSKATES! Yeah in this light it seems ridiculous. If he were town planning to fake-claim, why not do so BEFORE posting the big ass post? Why not be like "Fuck okay this is too much you guys got me good job" and left it at that until today? Why go to the trouble of posting the reads, interact a bit, THEN go through with his fake-claim plan? ##Vote: ChairmanRay | ||
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On October 09 2013 11:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Keeping my options open?? I have 3 people. 2 are town, 1 is scum. Not considering you is absolutely terrible play. I can't just slap a sticker on someone that says "100% town here" and keep that the rest of the game. I'm paranoid because I don't know alignments. When I'm mafia I just pick people and yell at them until they die because I'm never wrong in the end, and somehow people think that's townie because I'm being consistent. No one is saying you can't consider him. He's just saying that if you conclude that he's scum, NO U. | ||
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On October 09 2013 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm paranoid of everybody. Just like people still think I'm scum even after I outed s0lstice, because "I made a huge play and faked the payphone call from my mafia buddy" I don't get in what universe this makes sense in. A universe in which 2 of a three man scum team claim scum in as many days Cheese. | ||
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On October 09 2013 11:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Are people this afraid of my mafia play? Dat reputation. Are you saying it's not earned? | ||
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IF you're so eager for it to be over, why not just concede? I mean, you seem to have doubts as to who the final scum is, why are you +1'ing sentiment to end the day early? | ||
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On October 09 2013 11:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ? CR is confirmed mafia. We have all of the night and tomorrow to decide who to lynch in addition to the time today. My point is that you're aiming to forgo "the time today" by +1'ing Wave's sentiment. HE'S okay with shorter days because HE thinks that you're the final scum. YOU on the other hand are going to great lengths to appear unsure about the final lynch. There's a cognitive disconnect between the two mindsets is what I'm getting at. | ||
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To me it just looks like you're trying to look like a townie by doing what the townies are doing. It stanks. | ||
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On October 09 2013 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: The timing of this post is kinda interesting. What do you guys think? I think it's interesting that he says he checked who died AND he asked if anything cool happened. Like he's going to great lengths to say "Hey I have definitely NOT been following along AT ALL. FOR SURE. | ||
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On October 10 2013 04:44 austinmcc wrote: BONUS QUESTION: There's a 3 man scumteam that decides CHEESECAKE is the most likely mafia apart from them. solstice/CR/x. Fill in the x that believe Cheesecake is the most likely other scum OR the x that allows solstice to push Cheesecake as the most likely other scum. To answer this question I'd need to know whether the CR claim is premeditated or not. Because that matters in the context of this question. | ||
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On October 10 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE, also do you think Oats could have ever pushed a lynch on anyone in this game? Like, if i put myself into scum position; In Noir, i wanted to kill people who are able to push a lynch on me. I didn't give a fuck if Koshi called me scum because he never gave any reasons for me being scum. I didn't give a fuck about JAT and Zaragon (other people suspicious of me) because they didin't not have credit/credibility to lynch me. I did not give a fuck about Mocsta because he fucked up on D2 and lost all credibility and town would never lynch me before him. Why kill someone if it can only make you look bad? When the alternative is him calling you scum for nothing and "shitting up the thread" with you not having to fear them? Removing the support for his lynch if/when pushed by someone who CAN push the lynch. | ||
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On October 06 2013 10:43 cakepie wrote: No timestamps; no direct quoting, may paraphrase/discuss. On October 06 2013 10:59 cakepie wrote: This. Okay to talk about what was discussed. No direct copy-and-paste of anything. I must reconsider. | ||
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On October 05 2013 06:26 s0Lstice wrote: Yea showed up is about all you did. Talk to me about this chain of posts. Me no likey. This is the most preposterous reason to be suspicious of someone I have ever seen. Smacks of pretense. What were you trying to accomplish here and what have you dont with it? YAY CHEESE IS CLEAR!!! This corroborates the idea that s0L thought Cheese might be on the other scumteam too. | ||
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On October 06 2013 13:09 s0Lstice wrote: Yes to the bolded. I think Koshi is scum. There's just not room for a town him. He has also done jack shit as a conf town, and has been riding on his claim. It makes a lot of sense for him if he knew that eventually the truth was gonna come out. Like, the interactions between s0L and Cheese sway between s0L talking to "confirmed scum" and s0L trying to convince a town Cheese. There's very little chance this is scum-scum from the same team imo. | ||
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On October 10 2013 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, the interactions between s0L and Cheese sway between s0L talking to "confirmed scum" and s0L trying to convince a town Cheese. There's very little chance this is scum-scum from the same team imo. | ||
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On October 02 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote: Mainly from I think misreading this postWhich I took as "you look scummy for x" "but maybe you're town because of the circumstances" "except that's not enough for me to change my read" Actually, I really hate your posts on Palmar because it doesn't seem like you can figure out WHAT you want to do with him, despite calling him town at a couple points you don't seem convinced. austin this post by you is really bad in hindsight. You were looking for people to talk with you about s0Lstice...and when I jump at the opportunity, you say NOTHING about s0Lstice and instead tell me how bad I look based on what I said about Palmar. Like, I get that it was in response to something I'd said, but I specifically asked you about s0Lstice and you literally said nothing about s0Lstice in spite of that being where your vote was at the time (iirc). | ||
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Association-wise, I think you look the worst of anyone alive at the moment with regard to s0Lstice. | ||
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I like s0Lstice posting more as reasoning for not voting for him and voting for Palmar. What gets me about that reasoning is that you and he had a pretty serious back and forth regarding your case on him, and ultimately it wasn't enough for you to change your read of him...not until the next day when votes were being placed. | ||
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On October 10 2013 10:56 austinmcc wrote: Yeah, those don't look awesome in relation to solstice being mafia. And my vote stayed on solstice that day, despite not saying anything about him there. I can't make those posts look wonderful. Look at the full game though. You see me wavering on solstice D4 and suggesting my other mafia buddy as the alternate? You see me...if my team is sacrificing solstice, letting him claim cop rather than go after cc, you see me not just cutting him and letting him go? This all sounds like WIFOM because you think I might be mafia, but while those interactions with solstice don't look good, I DO have interactions that don't make sense if I'm the third. Yeah but, austin your play has been too townie for you to still be alive at this point. Your posts have been huge and you were all over s0Lstice early on. Logic dictates that you should be dead - that s0Lstice should have feared your textwalls saying he's scum and shot the shit out of you. I mean...spin all the WIFOM you want friend. But be warned that I'm pretty well versed on the subject myself. | ||
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On October 06 2013 12:39 s0Lstice wrote: It's not that difficult really. I don't have to do much except act like scum. Do you disagree that the scum teams should be highly interested in coordinating at this time? I wanted to capitalize on that and act through coordinating night hits for the future as well as possible mislynches/votes. It wouldn't take much to get the other scum members, and if he is the 1, then hey at least theres 1 confirmed scum. I assumed it was from posts like this. There was another where he was like 'hmmmz I wonder if the scumteams have figured each other out yet' | ||
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On October 03 2013 04:49 s0Lstice wrote: random but im wondering if the scum teams have privately figured eachother out yet On October 03 2013 08:34 s0Lstice wrote: A question for you. If you were scum, how would you treat the other scum team? Those do anything for ya? | ||
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On October 10 2013 11:45 austinmcc wrote: No. That one sounds scummy. And I ain't mafia. Also ... how can I post that multiple times and then duck around the corner going "Hee hee hee, they'll never suspect it was ME that pointed out this one thing!" Nonono, not the thing, the connection. | ||
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On October 11 2013 05:17 VayneAuthority wrote: its not about making sense or not at this point. 2 of the 3 members pretty much gave themselves up. Logic is no longer an issue here. I am looking purely at an interactions. The interactions between you and s0lstice are abrupt and soft push-y, they look weird. CR does not even address your cases against him, which is ultra super fucking weird. He has no problem arguing all day with me but he never even addresses your case against him or anything. When CR gives him scrumreads he puts me as the last banger and s0lstice/you/CC as the other team. I don't think he would be smart enough to leave WoS out as his partner completely, so I am pretty confident it's you or CC. Both you and mr.CC have weird interactions with s0lstice/CR thats all there is to it Can you explain what you mean by the bolded? | ||
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On October 11 2013 05:30 VayneAuthority wrote: because he makes the least sense to me to be the last scum. plays conservatively, check. Massive fiter/very undecisive, check. Doesn't have strange interactions with s0lstice/CR, check. etc Process of elimination. austin 66% CC 33% WoS 1% Ya I'm satisfied with this. | ||
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Wave you should read austin and my interactions on the last 4 or 5 pages. Over the course of questioning him I had a really hard time getting him to commit to a scumread, and it didn't feel like it was because he wasn't sure or was paranoid or whatever. And he's got some interactions with s0L that are basically unexplainable from a town perspective. | ||
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On October 11 2013 07:28 austinmcc wrote: We don't seem to write/think the same way. This has happened like 3-4 times over the course of the game, earlier you thinking that I wasn't quite calling someone scum or wasn't quite doing x, when in my mind I was. I DON'T fully know. I AM unsure. Just...remember this one for future games. I was referencing the bit where you were giving me options instead of conclusions austin...and I still attest that until I dragged it out of you, you were NOT saying that Cheese was the most suspicious. You were giving me options and expecting me to be like "Oh okay, so THAT'S who austin thinks is scum" when I couldn't have possibly gleaned that information from the info you provided. | ||
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On October 11 2013 07:38 austinmcc wrote: There have been a few times this game where it's popped up. Not just yesterday. Yesterday WAS mainly thoughts/options, not conclusions. Things that I'm trying to make sense of. When I'm spammy, I'm not posting neatly packaged conclusions. And especially if it looks like people want to lynch me, my goal, as disorganized as it may be, is to just get all my thoughts into the thread. Maybe something in there is important, maybe not. It's either all/mostly bullshit, or very little bullshit. If stuff like "he's alive" factors into your read, so should things like "his scumbuddy claimed cop, claimed scum, and austinmcc came out looking worse than anyone else in the game (apparently), why would solstice sac himself to make his buddy look BAD." You can call it all bullshit and that's okay, but then you've got to toss things that are both for AND against me, imo. I don't think it's all bullshit. I've explained my being alive as best I can, but I don't know why other people do what they do. I never factored that into my read austin. That was strictly WIFOM in answer to your WIFOM. | ||
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And like I said yesterday - I'm not trying to tunnel you. Your best shot of living (as far as I'm concerned) is convincing me that someone is a better lynch than you. | ||
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On October 11 2013 07:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Started looking through CC's filter already because I just decided I'm way too fucking tired and lazy to go out tonight. I don't even remember doing this. Trying to discredit me and my wanting to lynch him I thinks. Yup, found my conversation with him. Starts here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897¤tpage=176#3506 Essentially I told him I found CR newbie and not bad enough as scum to direct the entire thread to the fact that he wanted to save his teammate. Turns out I was right. I wonder if his team knew Palmar was scum or not though. I also commented on CC calling CR's posting 'consructed,' which is exactly how he got mislynched in Noire---essentially that is just how CR posts, scum or town it seems. (Though I imagine with all the bussing and going back on scumcalims, there must have been SOME construction going on in the lategame at the very least). The point there being CR did not scumslip, and the suspicion on him at the time was fine, but CR's REASONS weren't great. It look like this may have been the beginning of where CC decided to bus his team, and the bolded looks liek CC's attempt to garner towncred because of it. I suppose what I did here in this conversation could be interpreted as me 'jumping all over him' though I would consider it simple questioning. As far as me calling his reasons horseshit...they kind of are. Gonna need to read more in-depth here. I don't see how any of what Cheese said looks like he was trying to get town cred - I mean, he just OUTTED SCUM man, how much more town-cred can he possibly get? And while you WERE right about CR not "saving his teammate", at the time we didn't know whether CR was Baller or Banger...right? So I'm not really seeing how this makes Cheese scum to be frank. Was there some other post you were referring to? Because this one is mostly just you explaining the actions CC is calling you scummy for. | ||
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On October 10 2013 09:12 austinmcc wrote: If they're different teams, then solstice convinces his team that Cheese is the other team. So we need a solstice/cr/x team where x can be convinced that cheese is mafia. Like, unless it's mega mega next level, it makes VA look decent because VA has been calling pandain the last MCB. So if the whole thing is REAL, then solstice would have to convince his scumteam, including VA, that cheese and not pandain was the last MCB. Cuz it appears that VA would be pushing to contact pandain. I think CR or WoS is the last MCB, but if I were scum I'd be on CR's team. So I'd be pushing for WoS and solstice would be pushing cheese, if I were mafia. In this scenario, cheese is town and it's not fake, so he's out. Which leaves WoS. Which I don't really like. So either solstice is already setting things in motion N3 OR VA is calling Pandain last MCB but solstice convinces him otherwise (or VA faking the read) OR Wos is mafia OR (for you guys) I am calling WoS mafia but solstice convinces me otherwise (or me faking the read) Can you tell who he thinks is scum in this post? Can you? Because I couldn't, and when I said as much he kept NOT telling me who he thought was scum. Like, I just find it hard to believe that a townAustin wouldn't have some SERIOUS suspicious at this point, and be trying to convince us of SOMETHING right? But he's not - he's just speculating and tossing around options and letting us decide what we think - thoroughly invested if we decide that we think he's scum, but otherwise pretty stoic with regard to who HE thinks is scum. I mean, being indecisive isn't a crime. You're right, that's not scummy. It's the WAY he's being indecisive that I don't like. | ||
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Reaching out to the last Banger falls directly in line with the theme of "beeeg plays" that we're seeing here in this game. Like, if they got hold of the last Banger they're not in any danger really - sure he'll know who they are, but they'll in turn know who he is and it's 3v1. They're not putting themselves at much risk if he WAS the Banger...it just turned out that he wasn't. Between Scum reaching out to Cheese thinking he's the last Banger in an attempt to either coordinate/seek and destroy vs Scum concocting a plan to get Cheese super cred by outting a member of their own team in a game where that wouldn't mean much (at the time) because there are two scum teams I think the first option is more likely. | ||
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On October 11 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote: To be completely honest I'm not so sure that there is a whole lot that's objectively scummy about his play throughout the game as a whole. Did he push the Palmar lynch differently from the way he pushed Solstice? That may be a place to look. Well yeah. That's what my post earlier stating how fucked we were if austin was scum was about. I'll go take a look at the Palmar push. From memory, it didn't seem heartfelt. It was a thinly veiled policy vote, actually iirc. | ||
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On October 11 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote: And come to think of it, Austin has pushed Solstice for a lot of the game. Like he mentioned, pre-CC/Solstice what-the-fuckery. If the plans only began to go down N3/D4/whatever I don't know if I see a reason for Austin to be pushing Solstice that early. Is a full-game-long bus more likely? Well that's what this post is about. On October 10 2013 10:37 VisceraEyes wrote: austin this post by you is really bad in hindsight. You were looking for people to talk with you about s0Lstice...and when I jump at the opportunity, you say NOTHING about s0Lstice and instead tell me how bad I look based on what I said about Palmar. Like, I get that it was in response to something I'd said, but I specifically asked you about s0Lstice and you literally said nothing about s0Lstice in spite of that being where your vote was at the time (iirc). On October 10 2013 10:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Further, you go on to make some huge case against s0Lstice, which he apparently didn't debunk because you still thought he was mafia (apparently) and then all of a sudden you liked him when you decided to vote for Palmar. Association-wise, I think you look the worst of anyone alive at the moment with regard to s0Lstice. | ||
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On October 11 2013 09:44 WaveofShadow wrote: One thing that always bothered me. VE did you think FT was super crazy ridiculously town? I don't think anyone thought he was as town as Austin did. Oh wait, maybe Pandain. No but Pandain had me convinced through sheer posting. No, not ridiculously town, but I was willing to give him a shot based on Pandain's posting. | ||
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I don't know what you mean by "motivated by", if Austin is his teammate, obviously he doesn't want to push to lynch him. | ||
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On October 11 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: And with regards to the above---Cheese's push on CR LOOKS like a mislynch on 'town CR' waiting to happen. Since a CC/CR/Solstice scumteam means they knew CR was scum, the weak reasoning for the push looks worse. Of course it could be a town CC pushing scum CR but it just doesn't look like that to me. Like...I'm aware the above sounds really weird but it makes sense in my head. Yeah give me a sec to try and parse out what you're saying. I think I get it but I want to make sure. | ||
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This game is just too hard. I need to read some more. | ||
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I like those odds. F'sho. | ||
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On October 11 2013 10:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah but that's not what I was getting at. Besides, you claimed scum yourself that game. I was essentially just trying to see exactly how tryhard you played it towards end and exactly how much pre-planning and lying there was involved because I never understood exactly what happened at the end of that game. It turns out quite a lot. It's a shame because all your answer did was show me that no matter how towny you look here, it don't mean shit. WHICH LOOKS TOWNIE IN CONTEXT!!! WHICH DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!! WHY CAN'T WE CLEAR YOU AUSTIN?!?! WHHHHYYY??!?!? | ||
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On October 11 2013 11:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol I thought that too. Essentially Austin has backed himself into a neat little corner where nobody can ever trust anything he does no matter what. I think it's going to be a gamble in the end either way. Right now my odds are still on CC flipping red though---it's probably easier to look into CC to determine which of them is scum than Austin. Yeah, that was going to be my next approach. Wave if you're scum, I can never trust you again. You realize this yes? | ||
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I'm home now, so I'm going to filter Cheese and see what's up. | ||
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Errmmmm...I think that it was weird that Cheese was all up in s0L's grill about him being scum before the claim, only to be "paranoid about lynching incorrectly" and joining austin in the sentiment of lynching outside the cops. It seems to me that Having a scumread on someone + That someone claiming scum to him =/= lynch someone else. I could be unfairly boiling down his intentions, but I just can't understand him having a scumread on s0L, have s0L claim scum to him, and then Cheese considers lynching ANYONE but s0Lstice. Ultimately based on his posts I have no fucking idea...but the actions surrounding the cop claims I think makes him look pretty bad. | ||
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On October 12 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: D4 Cheese looks 10000x better than Austin. Qualify this statement. | ||
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