Golden Sun: The Broken Seal Mini Mafia - Page 33
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Old Partner
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Grackaroni
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You should have seen by now that multiple people have complained about your posting style, you post a few worthwhile pieces of information but they are buried within lots of useless spam and it's hard to really see what is going on if you can't quote the actual posts in question. You are posting your thoughts on every little thing when you should be looking for the most important things you see and engaging with the thread. | ||
Old Partner
United States274 Posts
You say I should be "engaging with the thread" and that's true, but right now the thread is basically just me. People have effectively bailed since I have posted my summary and questions. That being said, I will talk with you, since you are here. Is this still your position on Kush? On September 12 2013 16:08 Grackaroni wrote: Lets get real, Kush playing anti-town is nothing new from him. He does it as both alignments. If he doesn't start contributing, we vig him and we move on. Lynches should be used on players we can actually analyze. On September 13 2013 02:38 Grackaroni wrote: @Blubbdavid, If onegu doesn't start playing then he is a solid vig shot as well. I've played with kush before and I doubt he is going to start playing at this point, but there's no way of reading him so it's a waste of a lynch. We don't use lynches on anti-town players we use them on scum players. If we pushed lynches on players such as kush who play anti-town regardless of alignment, then everybody would be in agreement and drop their vote on kush and we would have no information for day2 You are the only player I can remember arguing that kush is likely scum. Everybody else is voting for kush as a policy. To punish kush for playing the way he does and to discourage him from playing like that again in future games. What happens if Kush is alive tomorrow because town has no vigis? Would you policy lynch him D2? You dont' think he's going to start playing, you think he's unreadable, and so you want to him to get vigged. We dont' know if there is a vig. If it turns out there isn't, then you MUST be onboard for a D2 kush policy lynch. Why not just lynch him today? | ||
Old Partner
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kushm4sta
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Grackaroni
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On September 13 2013 12:17 Old Partner wrote: @Grackaroni #642 I am aware that the initial post I made today was poorly formatted. It took me much longer to read the thread than I expected, and I posted it without previewing it. It got fucked my notepad's Word Wrap function. I reposted it along with my scumreads, who I'm willing to lynch, and statements/questions clearly outside the spoiler. You say I should be "engaging with the thread" and that's true, but right now the thread is basically just me. People have effectively bailed since I have posted my summary and questions. That being said, I will talk with you, since you are here. Is this still your position on Kush? What happens if Kush is alive tomorrow because town has no vigis? Would you policy lynch him D2? You dont' think he's going to start playing, you think he's unreadable, and so you want to him to get vigged. We dont' know if there is a vig. If it turns out there isn't, then you MUST be onboard for a D2 kush policy lynch. Why not just lynch him today? Your questions are really your main participation, nobody responds to your notes, and your only mention of me was why I didn't want to read your posts and many people have stated they don't want to read your posts. You mentioned before that my lack of engaging with people about my scum read is scummy so you must think that scum avoid doing that. (which you are avoiding) I'm not actually concerned about Kush right now. Kush can readable as town but oftentimes he chooses not to and trolls. judging from the start of the game I thought this was going to be one of Kush's troll games but now I think its more likely after his last 2 posts that he will start showing his hand one way or another. More concerned about Zealos/Onegu still being Mia if I was looking to lynch an unreadable. | ||
WaveofShadow
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If yall want to get all salty about my contributions by all means go ahead. I'm not going to be defending myself. Anyway finishing catching up---I remember thinking my Grack scumread is still justified but I have to recheck why. | ||
Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On September 13 2013 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Sorry ladies. Busier than I thought today. I'll be able to post for a bit tonight and a few hours tomorrow pre-deadline before my aforementioned afk period. If yall want to get all salty about my contributions by all means go ahead. I'm not going to be defending myself. Anyway finishing catching up---I remember thinking my Grack scumread is still justified but I have to recheck why. Well I'm here right now, talk me through it. | ||
WaveofShadow
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I'll see if I have time to post another decent case or a rebuttal towards yours of mine earlier today (which I seem to remember thinking was pretty decent, actually), but I don't see any reason to move my vote anywhere atm. | ||
kushm4sta
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Grackaroni
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On September 13 2013 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Something along the lines of 'jumping on opportune targets basically all game,' I think. I'll see if I have time to post another decent case or a rebuttal towards yours of mine earlier today (which I seem to remember thinking was pretty decent, actually), but I don't see any reason to move my vote anywhere atm. I think that came right out of the mouth of OP. Not sure if that's something I should read into. Really reread the game again because I don't think that's what's been going on at all. I don't jump on others targets, I make the targets. I began the push on Pandain, I wasn't the first to vote blubbers but I expressed my concern on him before Vayne did and as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. | ||
Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 13 2013 12:29 Grackaroni wrote: Your questions are really your main participation, nobody responds to your notes, and your only mention of me was why I didn't want to read your posts and many people have stated they don't want to read your posts. You mentioned before that my lack of engaging with people about my scum read is scummy so you must think that scum avoid doing that. (which you are avoiding) I'm not actually concerned about Kush right now. Kush can readable as town but oftentimes he chooses not to and trolls. judging from the start of the game I thought this was going to be one of Kush's troll games but now I think its more likely after his last 2 posts that he will start showing his hand one way or another. More concerned about Zealos/Onegu still being Mia if I was looking to lynch an unreadable. So you're basically saying that you expect Kush is gonna become readable. If he doesn't, (and he may not), and we don't have a vigi, then you MUST be planning to policy lynch him D2... which is terrible. | ||
Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 13 2013 12:50 Grackaroni wrote: I think that came right out of the mouth of OP. Not sure if that's something I should read into. Really reread the game again because I don't think that's what's been going on at all. I don't jump on others targets, I make the targets. I began the push on Pandain, I wasn't the first to vote blubbers but I expressed my concern on him before Vayne did and as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points. Imagine a scenarion in which Grack is scum: You expressed "concern" about BD, then when town opinion shifted onto him, you had an excuse to vote. If town opinion hadn't shifted, your concern would be forgotten. This is a common scum tactic. And your attack on me has no new information in it, you're just parroting Rayn, which is very different than coming up with ideas. Sure, maybe you attacked pandain first, but you have been opportunistically sheeping ever since. | ||
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 13 2013 12:47 kushm4sta wrote: did you or did you not read the whole thread so far wos? Mabes. | ||
Grackaroni
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On September 13 2013 12:50 Old Partner wrote: So you're basically saying that you expect Kush is gonna become readable. If he doesn't, (and he may not), and we don't have a vigi, then you MUST be planning to policy lynch him D2... which is terrible. I think that lynches should be used on scummy players rather than anti-town players for 2 reasons, 1) they are more likely to be scum 2) their flip actually gives us information and something to analyze rather than, welp we all lynched kush and he flipped town. Least he's gone. Onegu next. I'm not happy that we have these 3 anti-town players right now that town will have to deal with, but if I think there is a player who has a good chance of flipping scum (you) then I'm going to lynch him. | ||
Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On September 13 2013 12:52 Old Partner wrote: Imagine a scenarion in which Grack is scum: You expressed "concern" about BD, then when town opinion shifted onto him, you had an excuse to vote. If town opinion hadn't shifted, your concern would be forgotten. This is a common scum tactic. And your attack on me has no new information in it, you're just parroting Rayn, which is very different than coming up with ideas. Sure, maybe you attacked pandain first, but you have been opportunistically sheeping ever since. I don't read into the whole big difference between voting and posting that Vayne does. I'm usually a very careful player and like to be confident in my reads, so if you see me calling out somebody as being scummy then consider it like you would consider a vote from somebody else. | ||
kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
If you haven't even read the thread, how can you be so sure about your terribad grack read? | ||
Old Partner
United States274 Posts
On September 13 2013 12:55 Grackaroni wrote: I think that lynches should be used on scummy players rather than anti-town players for 2 reasons, 1) they are more likely to be scum 2) their flip actually gives us information and something to analyze rather than, welp we all lynched kush and he flipped town. Least he's gone. Onegu next. I'm not happy that we have these 3 anti-town players right now that town will have to deal with, but if I think there is a player who has a good chance of flipping scum (you) then I'm going to lynch him. "town will have to deal with", you mean town will have to policy lynch. If there's even one scum in there and we don't lynch them all, we lose. Scum won't shoot them. A vigi might but there are three. Even if a vigi shoots, say, Onegu, we should at least policy lynch one of them today. You can say "oh, nobody cares about who voted what on a policy lynch" but the fact we're having a conversation about this right now proves you wrong. Policy lynches are necessary and nobody on TL is willing to admit it. If Kush flips scum/town that tells us about the people that defended/attacked him. Don't pretend people will wave it off as "oh, policy lynches don't count" when we're arguing about it this much. | ||
kushm4sta
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Old Partner
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On September 13 2013 13:08 kushm4sta wrote: @op the problem is if i flip town, that tells you nothing about the people who pushed OR defended my plynch. It certainly tells me less than it would if you flipped scum. That being said, look at it from my position, Kush. I personally am not able to read you. Some people claim it's possible sometimes, but it's not clear that they're really correct. So, it comes down to whether or not you've been helping this game. You've made one or two reasonable statements but not enough for me to get a townread on you. You've promised more action later, but haven't delivered yet. If you were in my shoes, wouldn't you be at least tempted to policy lynch you? What about the two players (zealos and onegu) who are hard lurking? | ||
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