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EBWOP: I have to head to bed soon. I will be up in the morning and will check in before I go to work. I'll Ctrl+F "Old Partner" in case someone has an urgent message that needs to get to me before lynch time. It could turn out Kush will really follow through and I'll want to lynch Onegu or Zealos. I really wish there were more people around. WoS who hasn't read the thread, Kush who can't be read, and Grack. What a party.
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On September 13 2013 12:57 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 13 2013 12:47 kushm4sta wrote:
did you or did you not read the whole thread so far wos? Mabes. If you haven't even read the thread, how can you be so sure about your terribad grack read?
Answer that question yourself, Kush.
What are the possible answers to that question?
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On September 13 2013 13:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 12:57 kushm4sta wrote:On September 13 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 13 2013 12:47 kushm4sta wrote:
did you or did you not read the whole thread so far wos? Mabes. If you haven't even read the thread, how can you be so sure about your terribad grack read? Answer that question yourself, Kush. What are the possible answers to that question?
Not sure honestly. Because I am also in the position of never having read the thread, but in that case I always just want to sheep someone instead of being the only one voting for an unpopular, unfounded, lynch.
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i am often in the position of not having read the thread
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On September 13 2013 13:20 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 13:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 13 2013 12:57 kushm4sta wrote:On September 13 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 13 2013 12:47 kushm4sta wrote:
did you or did you not read the whole thread so far wos? Mabes. If you haven't even read the thread, how can you be so sure about your terribad grack read? Answer that question yourself, Kush. What are the possible answers to that question? Not sure honestly. Because I am also in the position of never having read the thread, but in that case I always just want to sheep someone instead of being the only one voting for an unpopular, unfounded, lynch.
I suppose that might be true, but then you and I are very different players aren't we?
Here are the possible answers based on your question:
1) Because I'm scum.
2) Because I actually HAVE read the thread.
Which is the right answer?
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On September 12 2013 13:16 Grackaroni wrote:@WoS: There's nothing really going on there, I'm just putting my thought process into the thread; It just happened to have been S&B who asked for my opinion. Your scum narrative for my actions doesn't make sense to me. Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Now onto the actual game. I'm fine with VA at the moment. The sheer fact that he is actually choosing to give some analysis and reads D1 is a nice change from most of the play in his usual games (aside from the fact that he's going to spew some bullshit about how he 'plays differently every game' or something). I want him around. SnB, I think this may be the most I've EVER seen you actively hunt/contribute out of ANY game we've played in together thus far. Not sure what to make of it, and the fact that you and Vayne seem to agree very quickly on each others' alignments to some degree is either really good or really worrying---which leads me to Grack. He seem to also find this somewhat worrying (on the Vayne side of things) but... On September 12 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:18 strongandbig wrote:
Hmm interesting. How can you differentiate between him bullshitting and him having different information (recent games together) or having a different threshold for giving out townreads? That's what I have to think about. I haven't played with Vayne before but he seems to be very aggressive and much more confident in his reads than myself so it's possible for him to be town and not bullshitting. However, On September 12 2013 08:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
that's actually an interesting quote you just responded to SnB, I missed that.
@grackaroni why specifically were you concerned with what SnB thought of me? Sounds like trying to see if you should jump on the wagon too at some point. This quote rubs me the wrong way. Why shouldn't i be concerned about what your thoughts were on Vayne. If you were to say that you weren't deviating much from your standard play or that it didn't make sense for him to have such a strong town read it would be very telling. There was nothing scummy about my question to you. I wanted more information from you and it seems like a weird thing for him to grasp on to and turn against me. This reads to me of poking just to gauge reaction to see if it's safe to start a wagon. It looks like a scum Grack being very very careful about harboring suspicion and looking for SnB to 'lead' him in the right direction as to whether town will view his suspicion on Vayne as 'ok' or not. It could have also been a preliminary attempt to break up what could be a potential town circle starting, but that might be going a bit far. For now, ##Vote: Grackaroni I'm scum subtly trying to buddy S&B to form a wagon on Vayne, OK that is possible. I honestly wouldn't give my scum play that much credit but w/e. Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 09:52 strongandbig wrote:On September 12 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:18 strongandbig wrote:
Hmm interesting. How can you differentiate between him bullshitting and him having different information (recent games together) or having a different threshold for giving out townreads? That's what I have to think about. I haven't played with Vayne before but he seems to be very aggressive and much more confident in his reads than myself so it's possible for him to be town and not bullshitting. However, On September 12 2013 08:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
that's actually an interesting quote you just responded to SnB, I missed that.
@grackaroni why specifically were you concerned with what SnB thought of me? Sounds like trying to see if you should jump on the wagon too at some point. This quote rubs me the wrong way. Why shouldn't i be concerned about what your thoughts were on Vayne. If you were to say that you weren't deviating much from your standard play or that it didn't make sense for him to have such a strong town read it would be very telling. There was nothing scummy about my question to you. I wanted more information from you and it seems like a weird thing for him to grasp on to and turn against me. Hmmm, I actually kind of agree with you in regards to that specific comment. Have to figure out how much weight to give that relative to my general impression of va atm. S&B made this post. Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 11:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 12 2013 10:02 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:55 goodkarma wrote:On September 12 2013 09:51 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:43 goodkarma wrote:
EBWOP:
Do you mean to say that because you don't share a read that someone else has that makes them scum? For sure strong townreads early are a bit rare (at least for me), but have you looked at strong's playstyle before? Wow. No I'm not arguing that people are scum for disagreeing with my reads.... His read literally came out of nowhere. I'm suspicious of people who come up with strong reads at a time that I feel that they shouldn't have strong reads. So just to be clear, you're saying that no one should ever have strong reads this early unless said person is scum? I mean, from my perspective it makes a player more likely to be scum. If I was town I would never be this confident in a player from what I saw so far in this day If I was scum It seems like some bullshit that could slip out of me to save my scum buddy or protect a townie. It's becoming more and more clear to me that Vayne is a very different player than myself so I will take that into consideration. It's becoming more and more clear to me that you didn't garner the reaction from thread that you wanted and you're trying to back off now. In other news, Kush are you going to be lolkush this game, or Persona Kush? This is completely misrepresenting what happened in the thread. literally 10 minutes before I posted that S&B agreed with my point. If I was scum and my plan was to buddy S&B in order to lynch Vayne then everything would be going according to plan and I wouldn't be *backing off* Your narration for me being scum doesn't fit with what was happening in the thread. I'm really not leaning too strongly one way or another with Vayne at the moment. I've just been outlining my thought process in the thread.
Ah ok, I forgot my original point when I was reading this apparently. This post does not in any way debunk my case on you.
If you'll notice my case on you was based on you looking like scum testing out his 'feelers' to see where the best place to direct his scummy actions in the thread was. You say that my point doesn't work because at that point SnB agreed with you and you would totally jump on Vayne and everything would be according to plan bwahahaha
Except that's not true at all. As scum one of the most important things to do is to sow mistrust amongst the members of town whilst blending in. Tell me that's not exactly what you're doing here. You just want to make sure Vayne and SnB don't get 'too close' to each other, while not wanting to go further and toss a vote or put pressure on him yourself beyond the discussion with SnB. Blending in.
Now let's go have a re-look see at why I think I found more of your posting scummy despite what you've said here.
On September 13 2013 12:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Something along the lines of 'jumping on opportune targets basically all game,' I think.
I'll see if I have time to post another decent case or a rebuttal towards yours of mine earlier today (which I seem to remember thinking was pretty decent, actually), but I don't see any reason to move my vote anywhere atm.
I think that came right out of the mouth of OP. Not sure if that's something I should read into. Really reread the game again because I don't think that's what's been going on at all. I don't jump on others targets, I make the targets. I began the push on Pandain, I wasn't the first to vote blubbers but I expressed my concern on him before Vayne did and as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points.
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Probably the only thing keeping me awake right now.
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On September 13 2013 13:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 13:16 Grackaroni wrote:@WoS: There's nothing really going on there, I'm just putting my thought process into the thread; It just happened to have been S&B who asked for my opinion. Your scum narrative for my actions doesn't make sense to me. On September 12 2013 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Now onto the actual game. I'm fine with VA at the moment. The sheer fact that he is actually choosing to give some analysis and reads D1 is a nice change from most of the play in his usual games (aside from the fact that he's going to spew some bullshit about how he 'plays differently every game' or something). I want him around. SnB, I think this may be the most I've EVER seen you actively hunt/contribute out of ANY game we've played in together thus far. Not sure what to make of it, and the fact that you and Vayne seem to agree very quickly on each others' alignments to some degree is either really good or really worrying---which leads me to Grack. He seem to also find this somewhat worrying (on the Vayne side of things) but... On September 12 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:18 strongandbig wrote:
Hmm interesting. How can you differentiate between him bullshitting and him having different information (recent games together) or having a different threshold for giving out townreads? That's what I have to think about. I haven't played with Vayne before but he seems to be very aggressive and much more confident in his reads than myself so it's possible for him to be town and not bullshitting. However, On September 12 2013 08:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
that's actually an interesting quote you just responded to SnB, I missed that.
@grackaroni why specifically were you concerned with what SnB thought of me? Sounds like trying to see if you should jump on the wagon too at some point. This quote rubs me the wrong way. Why shouldn't i be concerned about what your thoughts were on Vayne. If you were to say that you weren't deviating much from your standard play or that it didn't make sense for him to have such a strong town read it would be very telling. There was nothing scummy about my question to you. I wanted more information from you and it seems like a weird thing for him to grasp on to and turn against me. This reads to me of poking just to gauge reaction to see if it's safe to start a wagon. It looks like a scum Grack being very very careful about harboring suspicion and looking for SnB to 'lead' him in the right direction as to whether town will view his suspicion on Vayne as 'ok' or not. It could have also been a preliminary attempt to break up what could be a potential town circle starting, but that might be going a bit far. For now, ##Vote: Grackaroni I'm scum subtly trying to buddy S&B to form a wagon on Vayne, OK that is possible. I honestly wouldn't give my scum play that much credit but w/e. On September 12 2013 09:52 strongandbig wrote:On September 12 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:18 strongandbig wrote:
Hmm interesting. How can you differentiate between him bullshitting and him having different information (recent games together) or having a different threshold for giving out townreads? That's what I have to think about. I haven't played with Vayne before but he seems to be very aggressive and much more confident in his reads than myself so it's possible for him to be town and not bullshitting. However, On September 12 2013 08:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
that's actually an interesting quote you just responded to SnB, I missed that.
@grackaroni why specifically were you concerned with what SnB thought of me? Sounds like trying to see if you should jump on the wagon too at some point. This quote rubs me the wrong way. Why shouldn't i be concerned about what your thoughts were on Vayne. If you were to say that you weren't deviating much from your standard play or that it didn't make sense for him to have such a strong town read it would be very telling. There was nothing scummy about my question to you. I wanted more information from you and it seems like a weird thing for him to grasp on to and turn against me. Hmmm, I actually kind of agree with you in regards to that specific comment. Have to figure out how much weight to give that relative to my general impression of va atm. S&B made this post. On September 12 2013 11:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 12 2013 10:02 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:55 goodkarma wrote:On September 12 2013 09:51 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:43 goodkarma wrote:
EBWOP:
Do you mean to say that because you don't share a read that someone else has that makes them scum? For sure strong townreads early are a bit rare (at least for me), but have you looked at strong's playstyle before? Wow. No I'm not arguing that people are scum for disagreeing with my reads.... His read literally came out of nowhere. I'm suspicious of people who come up with strong reads at a time that I feel that they shouldn't have strong reads. So just to be clear, you're saying that no one should ever have strong reads this early unless said person is scum? I mean, from my perspective it makes a player more likely to be scum. If I was town I would never be this confident in a player from what I saw so far in this day If I was scum It seems like some bullshit that could slip out of me to save my scum buddy or protect a townie. It's becoming more and more clear to me that Vayne is a very different player than myself so I will take that into consideration. It's becoming more and more clear to me that you didn't garner the reaction from thread that you wanted and you're trying to back off now. In other news, Kush are you going to be lolkush this game, or Persona Kush? This is completely misrepresenting what happened in the thread. literally 10 minutes before I posted that S&B agreed with my point. If I was scum and my plan was to buddy S&B in order to lynch Vayne then everything would be going according to plan and I wouldn't be *backing off* Your narration for me being scum doesn't fit with what was happening in the thread. I'm really not leaning too strongly one way or another with Vayne at the moment. I've just been outlining my thought process in the thread. Ah ok, I forgot my original point when I was reading this apparently. This post does not in any way debunk my case on you. If you'll notice my case on you was based on you looking like scum testing out his 'feelers' to see where the best place to direct his scummy actions in the thread was. You say that my point doesn't work because at that point SnB agreed with you and you would totally jump on Vayne and everything would be according to plan bwahahaha Except that's not true at all. As scum one of the most important things to do is to sow mistrust amongst the members of town whilst blending in. Tell me that's not exactly what you're doing here. You just want to make sure Vayne and SnB don't get 'too close' to each other, while not wanting to go further and toss a vote or put pressure on him yourself beyond the discussion with SnB. Blending in. Now let's go have a re-look see at why I think I found more of your posting scummy despite what you've said here. Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 12:50 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Something along the lines of 'jumping on opportune targets basically all game,' I think.
I'll see if I have time to post another decent case or a rebuttal towards yours of mine earlier today (which I seem to remember thinking was pretty decent, actually), but I don't see any reason to move my vote anywhere atm.
I think that came right out of the mouth of OP. Not sure if that's something I should read into. Really reread the game again because I don't think that's what's been going on at all. I don't jump on others targets, I make the targets. I began the push on Pandain, I wasn't the first to vote blubbers but I expressed my concern on him before Vayne did and as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points.
I have posted a lot more than that so I do want to see some more stuff.
But you weren't arguing earlier that I'm scum sowing mistrust amongst town players, you were arguing that I tested thread sentiment trying to push a townie, got a bad reaction and backed off, which just wasn't how things went down.
Yeah it was a very middle of the road answer and I can see how it could be misinterpreted as me trying to "test the waters" but I was torn and people kept asking for my opinion about Vayne and the town-read so I kept giving it.
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Some thoughts and notes on re-reading your filter.
I don't like the suggestion to vig kush. Probably not alignment indicative though especially since you're probably relying on old metareads of him. He has in recent games (as you may have been told) picked up his play apparently. Hasn't done so this game until like just now but personally I wouldn't have vigged him this early anyway. I'd be much more afraid of someone like Onegu who can win games by AFKing apparently.
I honestly like this defense to my case better
On September 13 2013 00:27 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 00:19 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How's Grack generating discussion? The way i see it is that he is the topic of discussion. I generated lots of discussion on Pandain. You just chose to ignore it and shift the topic to OP. I don't think OP's questions were particularly useful but it was early in the game so I'm fine with that, what bothers me about him is that he is posting in a manner that makes me not want to read him. If he doesn't start consolidating posts I will be much less confident about his alignment. That's what i am saying about him. Thousand words that say nothing. Also could you comment on what i asked you to elaborate on, and the other things i wrote about you? Frankly I don't know what you are going on about, I have played with you twice before and I have never been this pro-town before. It's ridiculous that I'm even a point of discussion. I completely shut down WoS' points. Yes, there could be a mafia motivation for me to ask S&B that question There is also a town motivation for me to ask that question, His storyline for me being scum didn't make any sense (if I was scum, I got exactly what I was looking for from S&B and could have pushed Vayne more) so it is more likely coming from a townie.
Since it gives me some FEELS on possible towniness to you I wasn't seeing earlier.
Then this:
On September 13 2013 01:27 Grackaroni wrote:
I am going to rescind my vote on Pandain and move it to Blubbdavid. My main point on Pandain had to do with him calling me bad and wanting to lynch bad rather than scum. Nobody else in the thread has read his post in the way that I have so I could be mistaken.
##Vote: Blubbdavid
Isn't that essentially the same thing as this?
On September 13 2013 01:05 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 01:00 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. He seems like an over-zealous townie to me who is calling you & Koshi scum for wrong reasons. what exactly in his posts reads townie to you? The way I see it he is just grasping at straws in order to paint me as scum. and less experienced players are more prone to jumping on kush as a scum read because he is blatantly anti-town. (note not scum, anti-town) The way he approaches the game. Aggressively and calling people out with weak reasons, not being afraid of drawing attention to himself. He's either town or very good scum. I think the former, do you know if he's good as scum? No I don't think he's really strong scum. I think calling out people with weak reasons is a big case for why Blubdavid is scum.
You say yourself you're the only one who apparently saw the bad v scum thing the way you did, and while I agree, I'm not sure if that's for a towny or scum reason. Calling someone out with the intent to get them lynched is often done in many ways; what becomes important is not the language they use but rather the intent behind the attempt to lynch. This makes me want to look into Blubbdavid/Pandain a little closer and see how you're connected to this exactly and whether I can truly see town behind these accusations or not.
LOL I REMEMBER READING THIS EARLIER TODAY I LOLED
On September 13 2013 01:30 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 01:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
and as I post that I really dislike that grack just jumped on my wagon, weak lol how is that your wagon, I posted on Blubbdavid long before you did.
Vayne just so you know I was thinking the exact same thing.
Vayne and I being on exactly the same page for much of this game----I'm not sure this has happened before. He is reading me pretty fucking well. I don't even thing we were in so much agreement when we both played on the same scumteam. I think I'm pretty forced to reinforce my townread on him atm.
On September 13 2013 10:45 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 10:44 Grackaroni wrote:
##Unvote: Blubbdavid
##Vote: Old Partner All Aboard! I am proclaiming this, The Wagon of Justice!
So...voteswitch eh? WHen did you lose your scumreads on Pandain-->Blubb in that order? You literally just switch without a second thought but still seem to want to push the other two and the same time? what is it exactly you are trying to accomplish as town with this? I'm curious so answer please.
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I have reasoning I just never posted it.
@WoS: I liked Blubber's defense. Rayn brought up a point against me that he could have used against me and instead he said that he disagreed with Rayn, which leads me to believe that he is actually analyzing the points rather than just deciding before hand to call me scum, "I'm going to say Grack is mafia, look grack defending kush. scum team much? Grack asking koshi a question? Must be scum..." etc.
Plus He backed down and then started considering Pandain which is also something that gives him townie points in my eyes.
I'm still suspicious of Pandain and I was going to post why but i got stopped waiting for a non-existant reads post.
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On September 13 2013 14:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I have reasoning I just never posted it.
@WoS: I liked Blubber's defense. Rayn brought up a point against me that he could have used against me and instead he said that he disagreed with Rayn, which leads me to believe that he is actually analyzing the points rather than just deciding before hand to call me scum, "I'm going to say Grack is mafia, look grack defending kush. scum team much? Grack asking koshi a question? Must be scum..." etc.
Plus He backed down and then started considering Pandain which is also something that gives him townie points in my eyes.
I'm still suspicious of Pandain and I was going to post why but i got stopped waiting for a non-existant reads post.
Both of those are perfectly viable scum responses to being attacked in thread. Why does this mean you give him town points? Just because he appeased you and started to agree with your earlier scumread?
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On September 13 2013 14:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 14:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I have reasoning I just never posted it.
@WoS: I liked Blubber's defense. Rayn brought up a point against me that he could have used against me and instead he said that he disagreed with Rayn, which leads me to believe that he is actually analyzing the points rather than just deciding before hand to call me scum, "I'm going to say Grack is mafia, look grack defending kush. scum team much? Grack asking koshi a question? Must be scum..." etc.
Plus He backed down and then started considering Pandain which is also something that gives him townie points in my eyes.
I'm still suspicious of Pandain and I was going to post why but i got stopped waiting for a non-existant reads post. Both of those are perfectly viable scum responses to being attacked in thread. Why does this mean you give him town points? Just because he appeased you and started to agree with your earlier scumread?
You aren't even reading my posts... My read on Blubbdavid was based on him displaying a scum mindset and deciding before hand he was going to accuse me. He twisted a lot of things in my posts into being scummy that he should have been able to have seen could come from a town perspective.
Later I saw him doing things that didn't go in line with that scummy mindset, so I moved off of Blub. There is more to my thought process then you are making it out to be.
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On September 13 2013 14:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 14:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 13 2013 14:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I have reasoning I just never posted it.
@WoS: I liked Blubber's defense. Rayn brought up a point against me that he could have used against me and instead he said that he disagreed with Rayn, which leads me to believe that he is actually analyzing the points rather than just deciding before hand to call me scum, "I'm going to say Grack is mafia, look grack defending kush. scum team much? Grack asking koshi a question? Must be scum..." etc.
Plus He backed down and then started considering Pandain which is also something that gives him townie points in my eyes.
I'm still suspicious of Pandain and I was going to post why but i got stopped waiting for a non-existant reads post. Both of those are perfectly viable scum responses to being attacked in thread. Why does this mean you give him town points? Just because he appeased you and started to agree with your earlier scumread? You aren't even reading my posts... My read on Blubbdavid was based on him displaying a scum mindset and deciding before hand he was going to accuse me. He twisted a lot of things in my posts into being scummy that he should have been able to have seen could come from a town perspective.Later I saw him doing things that didn't go in line with that scummy mindset, so I moved off of Blub. There is more to my thought process then you are making it out to be.
Can you show me in your earlier posts where you outline the thought process you just explained to me here?
Also would you not say I am doing the same thing as bolded above?
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This doesn't make it impossible for Blubbdavid to be scum but It's enough to convince me that he is not a good target for today.
I would respond to your other point but truthfully I don't understand what it is, if you want me to respond you need to clarify.
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You said I'm not readong your posts and then explained to me about your read on blubbdavid and why you moved off of him, which is apparently supposed to mean you must have done so in your earlier posts but I did not read them.l Can you show me where in your posts from earlier that you did this?
My second point is that you accused Blubbdavid of being scummy based on what I bolded, yet you haven't called me scummy for what essentially might amount to the same thing. Why?
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On September 13 2013 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 14:10 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 14:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 13 2013 14:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I have reasoning I just never posted it.
@WoS: I liked Blubber's defense. Rayn brought up a point against me that he could have used against me and instead he said that he disagreed with Rayn, which leads me to believe that he is actually analyzing the points rather than just deciding before hand to call me scum, "I'm going to say Grack is mafia, look grack defending kush. scum team much? Grack asking koshi a question? Must be scum..." etc.
Plus He backed down and then started considering Pandain which is also something that gives him townie points in my eyes.
I'm still suspicious of Pandain and I was going to post why but i got stopped waiting for a non-existant reads post. Both of those are perfectly viable scum responses to being attacked in thread. Why does this mean you give him town points? Just because he appeased you and started to agree with your earlier scumread? You aren't even reading my posts... My read on Blubbdavid was based on him displaying a scum mindset and deciding before hand he was going to accuse me. He twisted a lot of things in my posts into being scummy that he should have been able to have seen could come from a town perspective.Later I saw him doing things that didn't go in line with that scummy mindset, so I moved off of Blub. There is more to my thought process then you are making it out to be. Can you show me in your earlier posts where you outline the thought process you just explained to me here? Also would you not say I am doing the same thing as bolded above?
On September 13 2013 00:17 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 21:31 blubbdavid wrote:Atm I have three scumreads: Koshi, Grack and Kush Koshi for aforementioned reasons. Kush for his valuable contributions. And Grack: On September 12 2013 14:31 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles.
Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them.
VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time.
GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction)
I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move.
Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread.
Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.
Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says.
I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though.
Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen.
I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. 1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit. 2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment. 3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??) 4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it? 5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices 6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers. I don't believe that Pandain has any interest in hunting scum. ##Vote: Pandain I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad On September 12 2013 16:08 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 15:50 Papa_Smurf wrote:
He didn't call you and kush out as lynch targets for being bad (which was the primary point of your scumread on him).
When he said "bad read" about you it meant "scum read" pretty obviously by how he described your posting.
Then kush is playing scummy in itself (although that's normal for him as town and scum). "Posting like shit" doesn't mean bad (unless he has a town read on kush). It means he's playing anti-town
At least that's what I discerned. I thought that at first glance, but I have a hard time believing that when he ends his read on me with, I'm not sure if he's scum. What I read out of that post is that he is most interested in policy lynching the weaker players.
Lets get real, Kush playing anti-town is nothing new from him. He does it as both alignments. If he doesn't start contributing, we vig him and we move on. Lynches should be used on players we can actually analyze.I've only been scum one time and I was called out immediately by syllogism for wanting to policy lynch someone I called a weaker player. I see pandain displaying similar behavior. Aside from that i think that scum generally come in the middle of the day with long constructed posts such as these, this one in particular gave very little analysis. After that he peaced out. WoS made a post like this as well but it was clear to me that he was actually trying to analyze my behavior. Defending your scum comrade much, leaving him to the vig, if there is one? On September 12 2013 16:49 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 16:28 Koshi wrote:
I can wait a bit on the other Europeans to wake up.
SnB can be town obviously. But meh. Could lynch.
Pandain pretty bad entry.
OP pretty cool guy. Not going to lynch. Hey Koshi, since you're here what do you think of my case on Pandain? Can you expand upon your read beyond bad entrance. Hey scumrade, since you're here and in the scum QT anyway, why don't we press together against Pandain? Can you help me find more stuff so that it looks legit. There is so much wrong with this post. Firstly I'm suspicious of people who come in and say that Kush has one of the best chances to flip mafia when not everybody has even posted.(I could have a scum read on kush through process of elimination) If town he is the go to mislynch for mafia and I think that mafia are more-likely to push on somebody like kush. Other players have suggested to policy lynch him (also scummy imo, especially if you have no other scum read), but saying he is likely mafia is even scummier to me. In response to Blubbdavid's case: You think I'm wrong, great, Both townies and mafia can be wrong. Vigging kush is the correct play(unless he starts playing the game), its not even a discussion. Why wouldn't I want other peoples opinions on my case if I'm town? How am I supposed to get reads otherwise? He is throwing shit on me only because I have already had shit thrown against me from other players. This post in particular isn't analyzing both possibilities of me being mafia or town, (I could be town and want other players opinion, lots of people in other games have said the same thing I said about kush without being on a scumteam with him) I think Blubbdavid decided beforehand. I'm going to put a scumread on Grack, and then searched through my filter for things he could twist into me being scum.
On September 13 2013 01:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 00:58 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, thread sentiment would be better worded. It's not a scumslip, when I say town I mean town as a whole. aka the thread. yeah yeah, could you just answer the questions, that was a part of it only. On September 13 2013 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno_man and Grack: Could you go through Pandain's & Old Partner's posts and tell me which one of those guys has shared more thoughts that contribute towards this game? lol please don't make me read through that guys posts This is the same thing i feel about Axlegreaser. Still, every time i read his posts multiple times and every time i can't understand anything he says. Trust me, this is way easier.. I'm not sure what I didn't answer? I've covered just about everything throughout my last posts. Lots of people were saying vayne was town at the time and I believe that people were less sure about GK but had a similar opinion. Oh sorry, i missed this post: On September 13 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. I agree with some points he brought up against you: 1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers. I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad 1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions. 2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this: 2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"? 2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack? 3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit. 4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts. 5. That's certainly not what Pandain said. 6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case. Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though. Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier? There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something. If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him. I don't think you are right. His read on VA is not following the thread sentiment, for example you yourself think VA is not necessarily town, as do other people. His read on GK is not following the thread sentiment, most people thought GK was scummy because of that comment, i agree with Pandain. His reasoning for the read on SnB is shit as said earlier. His read on OP is golden imo. Everybody should vote for that guy. His read on you is not following the thread sentiment, i can understand why he thinks what he says about you, i do not agree with him though. I am not even gonna go to the kush read. Kush needs to be given time. He either starts playing, if he does not, we lynch/vig him. Discussing/pressuring him does nothing good. I can however understand his policy. His read on me was following thread sentiment, I believe Vayne and WoS both called me scummy before this. I could have been wrong about GK. Could you respond to my biggest point in my post about Blubdavid about him not exhibiting a townie mindset. The quotes of me he posted didn't point towards me being scum. He decided in his head beforehand that he was going to call me scummy and then cherry picked quotes and inserted a scummy twist on them.
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Alright you're clearly not following me here.
I'm asking you to show me the posts in your filter where you rescind your scumread on blubbdavid and the explanation behind it I apparently should have already found in your filter.
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On September 13 2013 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
You said I'm not readong your posts and then explained to me about your read on blubbdavid and why you moved off of him, which is apparently supposed to mean you must have done so in your earlier posts but I did not read them.l Can you show me where in your posts from earlier that you did this?
My second point is that you accused Blubbdavid of being scummy based on what I bolded, yet you haven't called me scummy for what essentially might amount to the same thing. Why?
when I say you aren't reading my posts It's because you missed the main reason why I was suspicious of blubbers in the first place and simplify it into, "you recanted your read because he appeased you", which is just not true.
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On September 13 2013 14:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright you're clearly not following me here.
I'm asking you to show me the posts in your filter where you rescind your scumread on blubbdavid and the explanation behind it I apparently should have already found in your filter.
I already told you at the start of our conversation that I never actually wrote it out. You bolded what you wanted me to show you and that's what I showed you....
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