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On September 13 2013 07:21 Papa_Smurf wrote:
4) @Sn0 - If you look at my post that questioned Panduins, and then Panduins second post, you will see that alot of the questions I had were fully answered by Panduins explanation of his thought process. It's logical and it checks out.
I read those interactions and thats not the vibe I got. However, I'm willing to lynch blubbers instead.
I fail to see how lynching a super-low-contribution person helps us find scum. All that happens is that scum can angle the lynch towards the low-contribution player of their choice and we lynch a townie without actually gaining much info.
Lynching a present, somewhat controversial player who looks scummy not only is more informative come flip, but also has a higher chance of hitting scum IMO because they have been around to say shit that incriminates them.
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Papa smurf got a red hat. Maybe also a red role?
[dramatic] dum dum dum [/dramatic]
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what doesn't make sense is you harping on about WoS not being here when he was a replacement to begin with xD I don't think he's going to be that active this game tbh.
rayn changes his mind like crazy, get used to it. I'm sure he'll be screaming for my lynch at some point this game too.
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Hello! I am back from work and am reading the thread. I notice: people are not pleased that I have not posted since my last post. You will have to take my word on this, but I work at a job that does not allow me to post on forums during work. My firm monitors employee internet usage. I do not own a Smart Phone. I will only be able to read and post between the end of my work day and when I go to bed. I will do my best to interact, post useful analysis, make cases, take stances, and follow up on reads and so on during that time.
Also: when I go to bed tonight, I won't be back before the lynch deadline tomorrow. I'll wake up a little early in the morning so if anyone leaves me an urgent message (say my name, Old Partner and I will CTRL+F it) I can swap my vote or something before work. During the weekend, of course, I will be around for any deadlines.
I'm going to continue catching up in the thread and will post again once I have done so.
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On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:
1) Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious.
2) My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said.
I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum.
1) I'm not sure on how accurate that statement is, seeing as I haven't played in a game with scum you raynp. But it's pretty accurate of your town meta
2) So this is what changed your read? 2 lines about, "hey it looks like scum raynp based off this meta read I have and this interaction". The fact that he is mentioning an interaction is kinda encouraging seeing that it means he's trying to make sense of the thread (possible to fake).
also, you are forgetting the part where he goes and says "i want to vote panduin" right after this post. You weren't his top scumread, so no reason to be like "omg this raynp so scum"
Considering that you are having fits about little things this game, some of this rings true by SnB.
Definitely not as scummy as you think
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You are reading the post out of context debears. Read the thread 3 pages before that and ->
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On September 13 2013 07:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
what doesn't make sense is you harping on about WoS not being here when he was a replacement to begin with xD I don't think he's going to be that active this game tbh.
rayn changes his mind like crazy, get used to it. I'm sure he'll be screaming for my lynch at some point this game too.
He never said he couldn't post before friday.
When did he say "I can't post before friday"
On September 12 2013 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote:As I didn't get to say this in pregame chat (as I didn't know I'd be playing until the silent pregame period) I would like to make this perfectly clear. There is a period of time in this game where I will not be around a computer---I was told I won't get modkilled for this---what you guys choose to do about it when the time comes is another story, but I am giving you fair warning. I will not have computer access from Friday pre-deadline until Saturday evening post-deadline. This will be the entirety of Night 1 I believe. Make of it what you will. + Show Spoiler +I'm also real sad I'm replacing DP---if anything I wanted to play with him.  Going to do some stuff and watch Masterchef finale. Will return to hunt scum later.
He never mentioned it pregame. Didn't mention it here.
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The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum.
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TLDR; He is not accusing me (no tracing back to him if lynched) but he is telling people to lynch me (good, mislynch).
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On September 13 2013 07:47 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
what doesn't make sense is you harping on about WoS not being here when he was a replacement to begin with xD I don't think he's going to be that active this game tbh.
rayn changes his mind like crazy, get used to it. I'm sure he'll be screaming for my lynch at some point this game too. He never said he couldn't post before friday. When did he say "I can't post before friday" Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote:As I didn't get to say this in pregame chat (as I didn't know I'd be playing until the silent pregame period) I would like to make this perfectly clear. There is a period of time in this game where I will not be around a computer---I was told I won't get modkilled for this---what you guys choose to do about it when the time comes is another story, but I am giving you fair warning. I will not have computer access from Friday pre-deadline until Saturday evening post-deadline. This will be the entirety of Night 1 I believe. Make of it what you will. + Show Spoiler +I'm also real sad I'm replacing DP---if anything I wanted to play with him. Going to do some stuff and watch Masterchef finale. Will return to hunt scum later. He never mentioned it pregame. Didn't mention it here.
I just don't see the point on bringing this up repeatedly. We get the point, he isn't posting. Plenty of other people aren't either.
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You know, there is a reason why i lynched marv over Sylencia in Desert. I know how this shit works because i know how to play scum and fuck with townies.
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On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum.
1) It's insight on you. Close enough.
2) Why wouldn't come up when people are discussing you? That's the best time to bring something up, especially when you say it accurately describes your meta.
Also, when did I ever say "I'm lynching ryanp". It never happened, and you are making shit up. Criticizing someone is what you do when you think they are town. Calling them scum is something you do when you think they are scum.
3) And maybe he might be busy. I don't see how it's a "hit and run", when he doesn't sya "omg raynp is scum" and you say his description of you meta is accurate
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On September 13 2013 07:52 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:47 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 07:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
what doesn't make sense is you harping on about WoS not being here when he was a replacement to begin with xD I don't think he's going to be that active this game tbh.
rayn changes his mind like crazy, get used to it. I'm sure he'll be screaming for my lynch at some point this game too. He never said he couldn't post before friday. When did he say "I can't post before friday" On September 12 2013 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote:As I didn't get to say this in pregame chat (as I didn't know I'd be playing until the silent pregame period) I would like to make this perfectly clear. There is a period of time in this game where I will not be around a computer---I was told I won't get modkilled for this---what you guys choose to do about it when the time comes is another story, but I am giving you fair warning. I will not have computer access from Friday pre-deadline until Saturday evening post-deadline. This will be the entirety of Night 1 I believe. Make of it what you will. + Show Spoiler +I'm also real sad I'm replacing DP---if anything I wanted to play with him. Going to do some stuff and watch Masterchef finale. Will return to hunt scum later. He never mentioned it pregame. Didn't mention it here. I just don't see the point on bringing this up repeatedly. We get the point, he isn't posting. Plenty of other people aren't either.
We are arguing like idiots again..........
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No I feel this is important. If you are town you should drop it because it looks like you are trying to pile dirt onto WoS that isn't there. if not posting was a crime, scum would already have majority in this game LOL
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although besides the random fights based on other games this has been a productive day 1 so there's that. Gotta go now.
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On September 13 2013 07:57 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum. 1) It's insight on you. Close enough. 2) Why wouldn't come up when people are discussing you? That's the best time to bring something up, especially when you say it accurately describes your meta. Also, when did I ever say "I'm lynching ryanp". It never happened, and you are making shit up. Criticizing someone is what you do when you think they are town. Calling them scum is something you do when you think they are scum. 3) And maybe he might be busy. I don't see how it's a "hit and run", when he doesn't sya "omg raynp is scum" and you say his description of you meta is accurate
What's the point of bringing up my meta? Nobody even asked about it.. Does it prove something?
Yeah, it's okay to come up and give insight when someone is being discussed. If the insight however is "I dunno how to read this guy (with 100 words)" WHAT'S THE POINT?
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On September 13 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:57 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum. 1) It's insight on you. Close enough. 2) Why wouldn't come up when people are discussing you? That's the best time to bring something up, especially when you say it accurately describes your meta. Also, when did I ever say "I'm lynching ryanp". It never happened, and you are making shit up. Criticizing someone is what you do when you think they are town. Calling them scum is something you do when you think they are scum. 3) And maybe he might be busy. I don't see how it's a "hit and run", when he doesn't sya "omg raynp is scum" and you say his description of you meta is accurate What's the point of bringing up my meta? Nobody even asked about it.. Does it prove something? Yeah, it's okay to come up and give insight when someone is being discussed. If the insight however is "I dunno how to read this guy (with 100 words)" WHAT'S THE POINT?
I'm done arguing with you. You have hit my ignore list for this game.
If you can't see why a meta read is important to bring up when you are a subject of discussion (and you think ppl are trying to lynch you), then it is hopeless to beat it out of you, especially when it's an accurate meta read according to you.
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On September 13 2013 08:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
No I feel this is important. If you are town you should drop it because it looks like you are trying to pile dirt onto WoS that isn't there. if not posting was a crime, scum would already have majority in this game LOL
I am not gonna drop this. I want him to post
Why do you not care if he posts? Like seriously, if he is town, as you say, would it not be 100000x better if he posts?
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See? told you those guys ain't playing townie.
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On September 13 2013 08:06 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 07:57 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum. 1) It's insight on you. Close enough. 2) Why wouldn't come up when people are discussing you? That's the best time to bring something up, especially when you say it accurately describes your meta. Also, when did I ever say "I'm lynching ryanp". It never happened, and you are making shit up. Criticizing someone is what you do when you think they are town. Calling them scum is something you do when you think they are scum. 3) And maybe he might be busy. I don't see how it's a "hit and run", when he doesn't sya "omg raynp is scum" and you say his description of you meta is accurate What's the point of bringing up my meta? Nobody even asked about it.. Does it prove something? Yeah, it's okay to come up and give insight when someone is being discussed. If the insight however is "I dunno how to read this guy (with 100 words)" WHAT'S THE POINT? I'm done arguing with you. You have hit my ignore list for this game. If you can't see why a meta read is important to bring up when you are a subject of discussion (and you think ppl are trying to lynch you), then it is hopeless to beat it out of you, especially when it's an accurate meta read according to you.
debears, debears, please. Listen to me, this one post. Please read this:
+ Show Spoiler +Let's say this is the situation:
I flame you for your last games, we argue a bit about them, and i think you played fucking terribly. I put those thoughts in thread and say i wanna policy lynch if you are gonna be dumb again. Another guy comes in and agrees with me, "fuck you were bad debears, i wanna policy lynch you for it". Third guy comes in and says "rofl, let's just lynch debears, he can't be read and i am not sure of him anyways".
Then guy #4 skims in, says this:
"Okay so, debears is really hard to read. As scum he posts as he does as town. Not sure if he is scum, but look at this. He said XYZ here (which is 5 posts when you have 100 in total). This is nothing conclusive but i dunno, looks like he is arguing about something he should not be arguing about. Why is he so interested in this XYZ (5/100)?"
Then he fucks off..
Do you see a town motivation in this post?
Do you see a scum motivation in this post?
Because i see only one of those.
Everyone can read this and think if you were in that situation, because that's EXACTLY what happened.
SnB is scum.
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