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On September 13 2013 06:55 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hows goodkarma a good lynch today Koshi? I re-read him and he's actually not that bad though afk for a while (you can't lynch based off of that). Sure he's socrates and not doing much else but I didnt' mind his posting.
It isn't enough and I don't know him like I know Onegu/Kush. He is my "policy lurker lynch".
On September 13 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what's good in what SnB said about me?
There is truth in what he says. But the problem is it might not really apply to this game. He says a lot of things that sounds smart/correct but meh.
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WHAT IS GOOD? WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING "THIS GUY IS SAYING GOOD THINGS"? WHTA'S GOOD, TELL ME?
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Sn0
why do you want to lynch vayne/raynp/pandain, all of whom are contributing well (ie looking town) over lurkers who look scummy?
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On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:
Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious.
My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said.
I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum.
You say that this is incorrect?
If I read this I nod my head and think "yeah this is true". But in the end he doesn't commit to shit. I also have a problem that he uses the example about you grilling me about OP for 2 hours, which was pretty tedious indeed, but then twists this conversation between us to make everything else he says about you true or at least have more value.
tldr: I feel like SnB is being sneaky.
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On September 13 2013 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WHAT IS GOOD? WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING "THIS GUY IS SAYING GOOD THINGS"? WHTA'S GOOD, TELL ME?
If you really are making a big deal about literal meaning, you are either scum or not reading as town.
If you are town, just chill out and readdddddddddddddd
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On September 13 2013 07:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:
Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious.
My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said.
I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum.
You say that this is incorrect? If I read this I nod my head and think "yeah this is true". But in the end he doesn't commit to shit. I also have a problem that he uses the example about you grilling me about OP for 2 hours, which was pretty tedious indeed, but then twists this conversation between us to make everything else he says about you true or at least have more value. tldr: I feel like SnB is being sneaky.
First of all, all he bases his "read" on me is "OP's questions". We have talked about that, i gave my opinion, you gave your opinion, we came into different conclusion. That's like 2% of our posts.
Now what does this post say. "rayn might be scum because of his argument with Koshi". That's a really small portion of things that i have discussed this game, yet it's the only thing he brings up and that's where he bases his read on (which isn't a read at all btw).
Also note the timing, what was going on at that time? debears and Sno calling me scum for something i did in another game (lol) and some people gaining interest in lynching me. What do you think SnB was trying to achieve?
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On September 13 2013 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:07 Koshi wrote:On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:
Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious.
My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said.
I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum.
You say that this is incorrect? If I read this I nod my head and think "yeah this is true". But in the end he doesn't commit to shit. I also have a problem that he uses the example about you grilling me about OP for 2 hours, which was pretty tedious indeed, but then twists this conversation between us to make everything else he says about you true or at least have more value. tldr: I feel like SnB is being sneaky. First of all, all he bases his "read" on me is "OP's questions". We have talked about that, i gave my opinion, you gave your opinion, we came into different conclusion. That's like 2% of our posts. Now what does this post say. "rayn might be scum because of his argument with Koshi". That's a really small portion of things that i have discussed this game, yet it's the only thing he brings up and that's where he bases his read on (which isn't a read at all btw). Also note the timing, what was going on at that time? debears and Sno calling me scum for something i did in another game (lol) and some people gaining interest in lynching me. What do you think SnB was trying to achieve?
##vote SnB
rayn & Koshi powa is back!
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debears, i have a question for you:
Is SnB's post right or wrong?
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On September 13 2013 06:33 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand why Pandain suddenly thought that. Who told him? Was it in this thread? Did he answer already when we asked before?
I do agree with this point. Zealos has neither confirmed or denied thats his real name or if he's claiming. I think people are jumping to conclusions. Let's wait to hear from Zealos more before we all start saying he claimed.
A few notes:
1) I do agree SnB's fall off in terms of posting is a little alarming. I'm not worried about it right now. As of now, kush, blubb, WoS, zealos, onegu and any other lurker should be our main concernin that order. That's 5 lurkers alone rght there. That's 1/3 of the game. We can't really expect to win with that many if they are town (and I don't think they are).
2) @Raynp - if you want people to answer your posts, stop making so many. I don't even read half your posts (espeiclaly in our last 2 games) because your posting is all over the place
Also, get rid of your hard on for OP. He has contributed more than 1/3 of the players, and nothing jumps out as super scummy. Focus on people that should actually be lynched
3) WoS - Still mia. He's not gonna be here for two days. Why is he not posting when he knows he won't be here for two days. This is unacceptable if he is town
4) @Sn0 - If you look at my post that questioned Panduins, and then Panduins second post, you will see that alot of the questions I had were fully answered by Panduins explanation of his thought process. It's logical and it checks out.
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On September 13 2013 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears, i have a question for you:
Is SnB's post right or wrong?
You are talking about the post where he gives a kinda meta read on you?
If so, the answer is who knows. It's hard as hell to actually read you because you walk the line of bad town and scum. I've thought you were scum in both games I've played with you and you were town.
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Lynching lurkers always ends up being terrible for town cuz evul scummers point you to the wrong one.
SnB is a good lynch.
I told you it was desperate posting by him yesterday.
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Hold on a sec
Raynp- you have a town read on VA correct?
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Is this going to end in VA says SnB is town so because rayn thinks VA is town he should think SnB is town?
Because that is going to be really boring.
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On September 13 2013 07:26 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Hold on a sec
Raynp- you have a town read on VA correct?
right, why?
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On September 12 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
4) As i said earlier, dumb questions. The last one is fair.
5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead?
5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?).
6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense!
On September 12 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:On September 12 2013 20:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually why everyone of those? Reasons are in the thread. SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target. WoS for general uselessness. Pandain for worst opening post. Goodkarma, not impressed. I think SnB comes off pretty townie based on the thread.I got nothing much to say about WoS at this point. Would like to hear more from him. How's Pandain's post any worse than OP's? Pandain has explained reads in his post at least.. What's wrong with GK? I think everything he has posted makes a lot of sense.
On September 12 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Because Vayne has explained his read on SnB. The question should not be "how can you be so sure" because that's what Vayne has told already. The question is pointless, Vayne has strong meta-reasons to think SnB is town. Does this make him town or scum is a valid question? Why ask SnB about that while not giving a conclusion of your own? Does it affect to your conclusion somehow. If SnB says "yeah Vayne is right" does that make vayne scum or town? If SnB says "Vayne is wrong" does that make vayne scum or town? I don't see the point of questioning in that matter. Vayne has a strong town read on SnB for meta-reasons, that's it. I think it makes him more likely town, almost definitely town regardless of SnB's alignment (who i think is town too btw). Show nested quote +I said in this thread multiple times that 1) I like OP his posts 2) I don't like Pandain his opening post. How is that not an answer to your question? Why do you even ask that question... Because my question is WHY, not what. Give something concrete instead of saying "this post is good, this bad". Show me why OP's post is good in comparsion to Pandain's.
Whatever happened to all this:
"I think SnB is town" stuff
"vayne has a strong town meta read and that's fine" stuff
If you think VA is town, why is his strong meta read, which you thought was fine, now incorrect?
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On September 13 2013 07:29 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
4) As i said earlier, dumb questions. The last one is fair.
5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead?
5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?).
6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense! Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:On September 12 2013 20:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually why everyone of those? Reasons are in the thread. SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target. WoS for general uselessness. Pandain for worst opening post. Goodkarma, not impressed. I think SnB comes off pretty townie based on the thread.I got nothing much to say about WoS at this point. Would like to hear more from him. How's Pandain's post any worse than OP's? Pandain has explained reads in his post at least.. What's wrong with GK? I think everything he has posted makes a lot of sense. Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Because Vayne has explained his read on SnB. The question should not be "how can you be so sure" because that's what Vayne has told already. The question is pointless, Vayne has strong meta-reasons to think SnB is town. Does this make him town or scum is a valid question? Why ask SnB about that while not giving a conclusion of your own? Does it affect to your conclusion somehow. If SnB says "yeah Vayne is right" does that make vayne scum or town? If SnB says "Vayne is wrong" does that make vayne scum or town? I don't see the point of questioning in that matter. Vayne has a strong town read on SnB for meta-reasons, that's it. I think it makes him more likely town, almost definitely town regardless of SnB's alignment (who i think is town too btw). I said in this thread multiple times that 1) I like OP his posts 2) I don't like Pandain his opening post. How is that not an answer to your question? Why do you even ask that question... Because my question is WHY, not what. Give something concrete instead of saying "this post is good, this bad". Show me why OP's post is good in comparsion to Pandain's. Whatever happened to all this: "I think SnB is town" stuff "vayne has a strong town meta read and that's fine" stuff If you think VA is town, why is his strong meta read, which you thought was fine, now incorrect?
Because my read on SnB changed after his horrible hit-and-run entrance an hour ago. I just explained it to Koshi.
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On September 13 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:29 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
4) As i said earlier, dumb questions. The last one is fair.
5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead?
5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?).
6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense! On September 12 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:On September 12 2013 20:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually why everyone of those? Reasons are in the thread. SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target. WoS for general uselessness. Pandain for worst opening post. Goodkarma, not impressed. I think SnB comes off pretty townie based on the thread.I got nothing much to say about WoS at this point. Would like to hear more from him. How's Pandain's post any worse than OP's? Pandain has explained reads in his post at least.. What's wrong with GK? I think everything he has posted makes a lot of sense. On September 12 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Because Vayne has explained his read on SnB. The question should not be "how can you be so sure" because that's what Vayne has told already. The question is pointless, Vayne has strong meta-reasons to think SnB is town. Does this make him town or scum is a valid question? Why ask SnB about that while not giving a conclusion of your own? Does it affect to your conclusion somehow. If SnB says "yeah Vayne is right" does that make vayne scum or town? If SnB says "Vayne is wrong" does that make vayne scum or town? I don't see the point of questioning in that matter. Vayne has a strong town read on SnB for meta-reasons, that's it. I think it makes him more likely town, almost definitely town regardless of SnB's alignment (who i think is town too btw). I said in this thread multiple times that 1) I like OP his posts 2) I don't like Pandain his opening post. How is that not an answer to your question? Why do you even ask that question... Because my question is WHY, not what. Give something concrete instead of saying "this post is good, this bad". Show me why OP's post is good in comparsion to Pandain's. Whatever happened to all this: "I think SnB is town" stuff "vayne has a strong town meta read and that's fine" stuff If you think VA is town, why is his strong meta read, which you thought was fine, now incorrect? Because my read on SnB changed after his horrible hit-and-run entrance an hour ago. I just explained it to Koshi.
So you spent all that time defending VA and SnB, yet you suddenly lose all of it for one post?
That doesn't make any sense at all
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On September 13 2013 07:32 Papa_Smurf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 07:29 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 12 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
4) As i said earlier, dumb questions. The last one is fair.
5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead?
5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?).
6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense! On September 12 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 12 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:On September 12 2013 20:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually why everyone of those? Reasons are in the thread. SnB for the start + he hasn't given me a better target. WoS for general uselessness. Pandain for worst opening post. Goodkarma, not impressed. I think SnB comes off pretty townie based on the thread.I got nothing much to say about WoS at this point. Would like to hear more from him. How's Pandain's post any worse than OP's? Pandain has explained reads in his post at least.. What's wrong with GK? I think everything he has posted makes a lot of sense. On September 12 2013 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Because Vayne has explained his read on SnB. The question should not be "how can you be so sure" because that's what Vayne has told already. The question is pointless, Vayne has strong meta-reasons to think SnB is town. Does this make him town or scum is a valid question? Why ask SnB about that while not giving a conclusion of your own? Does it affect to your conclusion somehow. If SnB says "yeah Vayne is right" does that make vayne scum or town? If SnB says "Vayne is wrong" does that make vayne scum or town? I don't see the point of questioning in that matter. Vayne has a strong town read on SnB for meta-reasons, that's it. I think it makes him more likely town, almost definitely town regardless of SnB's alignment (who i think is town too btw). I said in this thread multiple times that 1) I like OP his posts 2) I don't like Pandain his opening post. How is that not an answer to your question? Why do you even ask that question... Because my question is WHY, not what. Give something concrete instead of saying "this post is good, this bad". Show me why OP's post is good in comparsion to Pandain's. Whatever happened to all this: "I think SnB is town" stuff "vayne has a strong town meta read and that's fine" stuff If you think VA is town, why is his strong meta read, which you thought was fine, now incorrect? Because my read on SnB changed after his horrible hit-and-run entrance an hour ago. I just explained it to Koshi. So you spent all that time defending VA and SnB, yet you suddenly lose all of it for one post? That doesn't make any sense at all
Uhh... lol, it does.
The post was horrible, the timing was horrible, the post didn't say anything at all but cast doubt on me for no reason. HE fucked off right after the post even when i asked to elaborate on it.
It was so fucking scummy. Everything in it screams scum!
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Let's say you have a townread on me and you have been defending me all game long.
I claim scum.
Can someone then say "lol debears, what happened to your townread on rayn?? you are full of shit now!"
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