EPTMinis are all I can handle
PS: Survivor and Scum could totally both win, correct?
E: Actually, Survivor essentially can't win alone. Cool. Never played a game with a survivor in it
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Minis are all I can handle PS: Survivor and Scum could totally both win, correct? E: Actually, Survivor essentially can't win alone. Cool. Never played a game with a survivor in it | ||
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 And a Night start? all these things are new to me, excellent. | ||
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Re: Hydras: Probably not the most balanced thing to let happen but obviously I don't know enough about the rest of the setup. A Third-Party Hydra would be pretty entertaining. | ||
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I think we only need 2 more gogogo. | ||
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The deadline for this game is 5:00 AM for me. That means that it is exceedingly likely I will NOT be around for ANY deadlines, nor for the hours immediately preceding. I say this before the game starts, for obvious reasons. Other than that, GLHF. | ||
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How'd u know I rolled scum and got my role PM 20 hours before the game started? Hax. | ||
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On August 20 2013 02:12 kushm4sta wrote: sry my bad! i thought you were from massachusetts or some shit and your family vacationed there Overly apologetic. lynch this guy! | ||
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That said, tourists are still mega-annoying. Thankfully not that many come to Canada. | ||
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Lets lynch Onegu. Very clear case of scum trying to look active while contributing nothing and trying to blend in as well. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also let go of Koshi, he is town. Somebody remind me whether its town or scum who know the alignment of all players at the start of the game. | ||
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On August 20 2013 23:47 Koshi wrote: Do you people really think I would do such a play as scum D: I am somewhat hurt. lol. I don't know your play from a hole in the wall. Giving you the benefit of the doubt is all thats making me uneasy here. Your play was awful regardless of alignment, but it still looks like a scumclaim no matter how I look at it. | ||
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Maybe that came across wrong, but I don't terribly care how badly you failed at breadcrumbing in the past. In a simple mini setup like this, there is simply no way self aware miller shouldn't immediately outright claim. Something I'll admit I didn't know in my only SAM game but that was a Newbie. And we had already established this with Koshi reading LONG before he claimed. | ||
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PS Onegu did the disappear thing. | ||
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Koshi could very easily be trying something similar. | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey Sn0_Man, why is Koshi's claim a scumclaim? Because my last post also he explicitly stated any SAM should claim immediately without doing so himself. I don't believe any excuses like "I was baiting mafia into a fake claim" or "I didn't know" thats bull. | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote: so as town, you wouldve claimed miller immediately? Without any delay? Why do you think Koshi is like you? Because the thread had happily agreed that SAM claims immediately, a conclusion that Koshi contributed to and supported. It has nothing to do with him being like me. Ur annoying to play with oats you don't think too much before getting in everybody's face and clouding the thread with shit slinging. I know its how you play town (hasn't changed since Newbie 36 or w/e) but its still annoying. | ||
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Yes I claim SAM instantly, although admittedly thats because I failed to do that once in the past and learned my lesson. | ||
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PS: Why did you call for an N0 vig on WoS? That seems a bit... iunno. To me its more scum motivated for an N0 vig to fly out (given that all the vig roles are 1-shot). I mean, you have to be REAL certain to be calling for that 5 hours into N0 without all that much info available to town. Or you just want vig bullets blown at members who have demonstrated a willingness to post somewhat. Cases are fine but WoS is really low down the vig list right now. | ||
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Players like Crazynator (or w/e his name is, the 5 posts guy) are prime Vig candidates the way I see the game. Rainbows/Tofu/etc don't count yet because one assumes they simply aren't awake or at a PC at this time of day. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:24 Rainbows wrote: I asked a question, because your line of thinking seemed odd. I'm sensing some Inherent Guilt here. You really didn't ask a question and DP wasn't even calling you scum for questioning him he was simply observing your thread entry and didn't approve. Yes this may be OMGUS but I don't really care. I'm certainly not outright calling you scum but if you could touch up your play a bit and not vomit stuff about me being "Passive" that would be great. Either way, for the time being I'm willing to call off the Koshi hunt on the basis that we have made our points (there isn't much else to say) and we can't lynch for 65 hours anyway. I respect DP's opinions based on what he has said this game so I'll have to re-read the WoS/Rayn interaction at some point. Not really in any hurry, and I still want to hear from the quieter players as well. | ||
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On August 21 2013 01:44 geript wrote: What's your beef? I don't have 80 posts yet? Whatever. Why don't you want to lynch Crazowhatever. Who wants to lynch a guy who said hi and then went to bed? Sure his posts looked stupid but he at least has an excuse (first forum mafia game). If nothing else lynching him gives us NO information whatsoever. Lynching a posting person who is the subject of discussion is much more informative and should be the goal if we can find scum (koshi). Crazowhatever guy (i forget his name too) is a great vig target on the other hand, both to send the message of "Contribute or else" and because its very possible for him to be weak, lurky/hidy/wishy-washy scum. | ||
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All 4 of us making sure the thread doesn't discuss my evil scummy acts, such as calling attention to people attempting to hide in the shadows. Actually, this raises an interesting setup speculation point: How many scum are there? KP we won't be able to discuss until D1, but other points we can at least guess at. Obviously I'm guessing there are 4 scum but I'm really not well versed in setups that are not 9/12 minis. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:13 Rainbows wrote: Well, I'm lazy with cases and I just post post post things as they come. My issue stands with him being a passive finger pointer, and it's something that I see scum do time and time again. Where can they push a mislynch? Where can they set up and justify their position for future mislynches? Brightly shining townies are such because they take hard stances and lynch the fuck out of their suspicions. Good scum try to emulate that, but usually fall short. Either Sn0 is scum, or he just doesn't have much of an opinion? I'm a lot more agressive and I make a lot more cases as scum because I know who is dirty and who is clean. I have lots of opinions but precious little certainty as town so I read what people write and do my best to make sure that everybody is participating. I still think we should lynch Koshi but we've been over that a thousand times and we aren't getting anywhere with it. Reiterating that every half hour isn't solving anything or advancing the thread. I still dislike how Onegu is playing but so far any attempts to keep him a topic have failed and it isn't like we are deep enough into the game to seriously fault him for a lack of content. Plus he finally made a comment that felt like it was more than pure sheep (his last post re: Koshi that I don't agree with but at least it was semi-intelligent). I'm also the only person making reasonable arguments regarding vig shots. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:21 Rainbows wrote: @Sn0_Man If you had the opportunity to kill one person right now, who would it be. Besides me, of course. Well, if you mean to obliterate them RIGHT NOW it would be Koshi, but only because the people who I would otherwise vig deserve a chance to post (we are only 6 hours into the thread). I still think that a N0 vig shot currently goes at crazynator until something changes, both to send a message and because he looks decently scummy. I owe the thread a re-read on WoS but I'm waiting for him to provide more material. More rope to hang him with, if you will. | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:26 Rainbows wrote: While I disagree and argue that vig shots are largely a waste of time to speculate on, I surprisingly like the first part of this answer as a defense. I think you are the only person who has played with Scum-Sn0 | ||
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On August 21 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Snodude: In what game have you played scum here? I tried looking at your profile but you don't have info on there of your mafia games and i don't want to look over 10 pages of posted threads. I replaced into NMM38 (after scum had thrown the game Day 1 lol). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399518¤tpage=56#1110 is the replacement post I start after that. I tried to take control and salvage but 0 chance I think (though I definitely made errors). | ||
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Maybe thats just the way I see it but pulling for a Vig shot on WoS just doesn't seem right. Even though I'd be quite suprised at this stage if rayn was scum. Yes, being afraid of dying and then people forgetting your case is a legitimate concern I suppose. | ||
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On August 21 2013 03:38 mkfuba07 wrote: Morning all~ This... bothers me. So as a townie, you're suggesting that we lynch you D1 if a vig shoots another townie today? How is that in any way good for town? He is quite certain that he will be killed by scum tonight. So he considers his life forfeit and is pushing his reads while he can. | ||
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On August 21 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: What makes Crazydude mafia? I am gonna repeat the question as long as you keep dodging it. Where did I say he was mafia? He looks bad since he popped in the thread, posted a few really really generic slimy friendly crap posts then dissappeared as soon as somebody mentioned that it was N0 and that maybe people didn't need to paint big targets on themselves for scum to hit. It looked awful although it could easily just be bad noob. AT THIS STAGE his contribution isn't enough to lynch him yet he is more likely to be scum (to me) than somebody like geript who has managed to make some kind of anything post and more likely than somebody like Tofu who hasn't posted at all. I don't like the idea of shooting active players who if they are scum will eventually hang themselves by word or action (vote). Obviously if they are CLEARLY scum then sure but I just don't have the faith in your case that you do. Early in the game discussion is key to get everything rolling. Scum have information that town doesn't, so town needs as much information as possible disseminating as soon as possible, and discussion and input from everybody is IMO the best way to get that. Vigging lynch candidates doesn't really help in that way. | ||
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On August 21 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you agree on what i said on snodude or not? What post of yours are you referring to here? | ||
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On August 21 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: there was no post. was trying to bait Koshi saying something in case he was mafia. :D nothing to see here. ooooor you forgot that you posted it in the scum QT for koshi to read? Just a possibility | ||
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On August 21 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you agree on what i said on snodude or not? When asked about it he said On August 21 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: there was no post. was trying to bait Koshi saying something in case he was mafia. :D nothing to see here. That is incredibly insincere and IMO could very very easily be a scumslip. Him and Koshi communicating in scum QT (or even just him posting in the QT forgetting Koshi couldn't see it there). Yes, that is mildly conspiracy-theory but other stuff fits like how adamant and certain rayn has been on a variety of things (Koshi town, WoS, scum, etc) when only scum can know things like this for certain. And how insanely spammy and dogged he has been, quite possibly in a bid to essentially take over the thread single handedly. And his cries for vig shots. Sure this could be coincidence but it lines up better than pretty much anything else I can think of. I re-read your filter WoS and while it looked a bit off it wasn't explicitly scummy the way I saw it and it was very far from "CERTAIN SCUM SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT". | ||
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Although it would be really weird for them to be scumbuddies 2 games in a row. In other news there is a seriously limited number of people posting in this thread. @Rayn what makes you think geript is scum? | ||
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Me, Geript, WoS, Rainbows, Oats, On August 21 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: no it's not. you are probably mafia.- and DP On August 20 2013 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holy fuck, is DP scum aswell? In other words, every person who has posted anything worth mentioning except Koshi. Pressuring a variety of people is fine but rayn has already demonstrated an incredible level of certainty regarding the scumminess of at least WoS/Me/Rainbows and the others were pretty strong language for a while as well. I just currently don't see rayn being helpful to town. I see him bidding for dominance in the thread in a way that doesn't seem conducive to success in an N0 start if he believed what he was saying as well. And I see him doing a lot of "Oh yeah X is totally scum" without justifying it at all (the only time he ever justified an opinion was on WoS). It doesn't fit to me, right now. Still waiting on more people to seriously contribute to thread. | ||
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On August 21 2013 06:16 Koshi wrote: So you make a preflip association between me and rayn because rayn doesn't call me scum. lololol. Actually, I'm hoping for a flip so that I can make that association reliable. On August 21 2013 06:16 Koshi wrote: The guy is scumhunting. If only. I too can call every person in the thread scum without the slightest justification beyond a single person. I choose not to, however, since I'd rather like town to win. | ||
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On August 21 2013 06:17 Koshi wrote: I also see a tendency where you propose retarded lynches while you are already making up excuses when they flip town. I'll readily admit that I see both sides of my arguments before proposing them. It makes it hard for me to really be certain about scum sometimes, and that is a very real weakness to my play. In other news, I notice a tendency of yours to say "dnu" whenever you are asked a question and kinda deflect it with some seriously wishy-washy garbage. Thoughts? | ||
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On August 22 2013 18:56 Koshi wrote: the Snowman his games: Mexican Standoff mafia - Town. Full of 1 liners and an I don't give a fuck attitude. Boardwalk empire mafia - Town This is pro-town posting and I don't see the Snowman be so extreme like he is in this game. At the end he says he was happy with his game, so I don't see why he decided to be a total nutcase this game. Newbie Mini Mafia - Town cop Again superb play. Newbie Mini Mafia XXXV - Town The link brings you to the second page of his filter. Look at the first post there. Then look at the Snowman his filter this game. ___________________________________________________________________________ After filterdiving the Snowman I am sad. The guy can play superb mafia and decided to play really shitty this game. I can almost not believe that now that he rolled scum for the first time he would play like this. But why is he playing so bad? ##unvote ##vote: The Snowman Pick your shit up dude. Pick it up or scumclaim. This is the funniest post I've read in a while. OMG Sn0 so good at mafia but he hasn't caught scum this game he must be scum himself! A) I'm awful at this game. I am aware of the fact. I've never played "Superb" in my life. B) Its D1... Most of my good analysis traditionally centres around votes and blue-powers. | ||
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That seems important... | ||
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Still, no scum roleblocker (most likely). If nothing else, the lack of any roleblocking means that KP-protection roles (if they exist) know more about the chances of their protection being successful (considering the fact that KP is personal and RB-able in this setup). | ||
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On August 23 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I asked you about this earlier. Why do you not want to lynch WoS any more? What made you change your mind? I agree with your reads on yamato and geript. As far as I can tell, the only people who put any stock whatsoever in your case on WoS are you and Kosheep. WoS's early game play may have been dumb/questionable but I really don't see it as scummy. | ||
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Also Vayne's last post was painful: On August 22 2013 11:24 VayneAuthority wrote: Like there's zero reason for any town player to be throwing shit on me right now. I'm not even close to being up for lynch discussion and all it serves to do is throw around suspicion to support later lynches and confuse town more to serve the scum agenda. Its like a pre-emptive OMGUS. Anybody who calls attention to him is automatically acting in scum's interests or something. PS Kush why the 180 on tofu? I didn't really get your reasoning... | ||
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Tofu hasn't done anything all game, his only "contribution" is to push a lynch on me based on who DP wanted to lynch at time of death. He pushed very softly and has done NOTHING else. ##Vote: FirmTofu If nothing else I may succeed at summoning him :/ | ||
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On August 23 2013 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: snoman what do you think of the fact that WoS has been trying to form a read on you the whole game and either dodged giving the read or said "i dunno" the whole game. rayn why is asking questions of everybody non-stop without providing any new or interesting info something you consider acceptable to do? Last I checked you aren't Socrates. Judging people based on their opinion of me isn't easy I'm too emotionally invested in the answer for it to be a reliable way for me to rate people. Obviously people who call me scum look worse to me because I know I'm not scum. People who call me town are right so I'm more inclined to agree with them on other things. That is simply how stuff works. A topic on WoS that I can speak to is his opinions on Crazo. Crazo felt like real lynchbait and people pushing for his lynch consequently (to me) looked scummy (geript, wos). However, re-reading Crazo looked like maybe he received a bit of "coaching" (aka scum-qt hints and tips) which would explain a lot. On the other hand, it does still look like WoS and geript were pushing an easy lynch that could still easily be "the easy mislynch". Queue WIFOM about scum being afraid to start a mislynch. Still leaning town on WoS. At least he is here and posting and most of his posts look town-motivated. | ||
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I'm happy with a Vayne/FT lynch though current preference is FT. Also still want to lynch Koshi but nobody else really does. Also I want to lynch rayn but I think that's because he is annoying. hard to tell. | ||
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Pressuring you is pointless. You just spam your way out of it. I'd be happy to leave tofu alone if he did towny things, instead of taking easy pot-shots from the sidelines when he can be bothered, and otherwise doing nothing at all. His only contribution was to bring up NK WIFOM, which for all we know could have been the whole goal of the NK (which would point to him being scum). In his current state he deserves a lynch. I'd put quotes from his filter but its 1.5 pages long so what is the point? Read it yourselves. Vayne is in FT's shoes (plus look at his last post I quoted o.o) but I have to pick 1 person to vote and pushing both their lynches seems weak for now. If you want though I can try to get you lynched. That gives a free pass to the lazy players in the thread but that doesn't seem to bother you. I'm hoping for a more balanced distribution of posts across the thread as opposed to 12 pages of spam from any 1 player (you). | ||
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On August 23 2013 02:35 VayneAuthority wrote: Yea we already know, you posted that in your last post. less repetitive ad hom attacks would be great. Why as town would you do that then when you know how I'm going to react? how is that pro-town at all? How is it remotely acceptable or town motivated to say "I'm untouchable anybody who attacks me is scum"? Thats easily a scum-favoured atmosphere to create. There was no ad-hominem, I'm commenting on the terribleness of your play. Scum-hunting, in fact. Something you MAY wish to attempt (you haven't started yet I notice). K maybe now there is ad-hom. | ||
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In other words, nobody is ever allowed to suspect you. This is incredibly pointless. You still have yet to meaningfully contribute, all you have done is sit around, call WoS 3rd party (carefully avoiding angering anybody who thinks he is scum OR town) and then instantly attacking both yamato and now me as soon as we mention your name. Literally the only people you have attacked are people who just mentioned you... You have steadfastly NOT contributed to the game. | ||
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However, I'm not deflecting the lynch off of anybody (Unless you can point to somebody who you think is getting lynched with 2 votes on them), and you haven't even made a case on me. You solely voted for me because I called you out. And you freely admit that. W. T. F. | ||
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B) have you read his shit? "Anybody who wants to lynch me is scum", without even trying to look town. I'd lynch that anyday. I'm curious to know if you have any opinion on him after reading everything he just said, and after reading his really really short filter. | ||
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On August 23 2013 03:13 VayneAuthority wrote: If you can find a decent reason why you would post this Then right after you posted that, you go and post this and find yourself back at this I don't see what you hope to gain out of this as town. You know what's going to happen, I'm going to be annoyed at you, and you KNOWINGLY pursue that to fuck with town. Show me in any way how this is pro town and hell, ill vote for myself LOL Wat? Post 1: 3 people aren't contributing, and I think they should contribute. PS one of them posted a really bad post. Post 2: further research shows that one of them IS contributing. List narrowed to 2. Including bad-post-man, although other man looks worse after filter review. PS I still don't like persons X and Y, if anybody is curious in my scumreads. Post 3: Looky bad-post-man showed up, and decided that posting townie stuff is for noobs he should play as scummily as possible. Its pretty simple. Apparently nobody agrees that an attitude of "Anybody who suspects me is obv scum" is kinda NOT HELPING AT ALL. Iunno. | ||
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On August 23 2013 03:15 Oatsmaster wrote: 'Without even trying to look town'. Um have you seen scum play like that? Yes. Boardwalk Empire. I've seen town do it too, but none of them take the attitude that "I know i'm not acting townie but anybody who suspects me is obv scum". | ||
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Admittedly he was a lot more cavalier about it. VA seems to have essentially forgotten that you can't just decide that everybody believes you are town, you need to do something to demonstrate it. @rayn hows yamato worse than VA in terms of contribution? At least yamato makes some decent points here and there. And Tofu's pretty much just as bad. Either way, I'd still like tofu to post but I'm much more suspicious of VA now so... ##Unvote ##Vote: VayneAuthority I still don't get how people can possibly see what VA is doing as somehow townie, although at least he is finally posting. You will note that he still has yet to seriously scumhunt. | ||
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On August 23 2013 03:55 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah thats BM. Vayne isnt BM. VA is being an asshole but that doesnt translate into him being scum. His behavior doesnt help town, all it does is it draws everyone's attention to him for no reason. Which isnt scummy. Wait. VA is being an asshole and not helping town but that isn't scummy? I don't really approve of that sentiment. On August 23 2013 04:00 Koshi wrote: Mr. Evil Snowman. Can you read Vayne his filter from Titanic and comment on the difference? Vayne & Mr. Evil Snowman: Did you 2 play already together before? To my knowledge, we have not played together before. Reading that filter he played scummy as town in Titanic. Maybe that makes him less likely to be scum but I'm not sure how it excuses awful play this game... If we aren't lynching him then I guess we aren't lynching him but this is like "free win every time you roll scum" if everybody just assumes that vayne won't ever contribute for a huge portion of the game. Also, You missed my vote change in ur votecount mr cohost | ||
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On August 23 2013 03:48 Sn0_Man wrote: @Oats: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=Bill Murray Admittedly he was a lot more cavalier about it. VA seems to have essentially forgotten that you can't just decide that everybody believes you are town, you need to do something to demonstrate it. @rayn hows yamato worse than VA in terms of contribution? At least yamato makes some decent points here and there. And Tofu's pretty much just as bad. Either way, I'd still like tofu to post but I'm much more suspicious of VA now so... ##Unvote ##Vote: VayneAuthority I still don't get how people can possibly see what VA is doing as somehow townie, although at least he is finally posting. You will note that he still has yet to seriously scumhunt. | ||
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What I don't see is how scum could possibly benefit from that plan (actually, hiding the fact that they have a roleblock is probably a better reason not to RB, and that seems much worse than just the chance to hit a cop/medic). Either way, thats like the absolute least convincing case ever lol. PS: I've never told people that they are actively harming the thread by calling me scum. And Vayne had a public "null" read on me before I started mentioning him. The people I went after, as I said, were the quiet people who had no excuse for not contributing and could super easily have been hiding mafia. | ||
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On August 23 2013 04:34 kushm4sta wrote: you think scum didn't roleblock someone on purpose just so sno could say "no roleblockers lol?' why would scum do that Well, it could be so that sn0 says something like "Scum have no RB's? that means they have either a GF or a Framer so don't necessarily swallow cop checks whole" when really they don't have either and are deathly afraid of cop checks. Pretty unlikely yes. | ||
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On August 23 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote: Sn0, I'm curious as to why you aren't voting me right now. Do you still think Vayne is scummier than me? You know, I wrote up a long post about how much I hate people who just vote everywhere like their vote doesn't matter. I really like being considered with my vote and making sure it has meaning even when placed early in a day. However, you are practically begging me to vote you here. #YOLO ##Unvote ##Vote: FirmTofu | ||
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I added ur EBWOP in. I'm attacking rayn because I didn't like how he was playing and I didn't agree with the conclusions he was drawing, so I was making sure the rest of the thread saw another side to his "arguments". The fact that I'm discrediting him when he wasn't attacking me much is actually a decent sign that I'm not scum. If I was scum I couldn't care less what garbage he was spewing so long as he didn't attack me. The fact that he had thrown shit on or outright accused at LEAST 6 players by then would totally play into my hands if I were scum... Thus, at the bottom of my post I say that rayn is essentially playing this in a way that doesn't benefit town. The unspoken implication being he is scum/3p. Which I still believe although I'll admit that I do have experiences with townies who play completely contrary to me and we fight each other's arguments incessantly. | ||
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Incidentally, There is virtually NO chance a scum player as the current most likely lynch target would spew his scumbuddies like that in an attempt to improve their situation later, so free townie points for those 3. I think. PS: geript is currently the recipient of a free ride I'm not sure he deserves. Geript is traditionally more active and aggressive in games i've played with him. | ||
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On August 23 2013 05:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I can agree with this. Sn0 can you comment on the below for me? I'm bad at reading geript. He's played differently in all 3 (I think) games I've played with him. Plus we really really didn't get along as both town one game. Yes you have a point he kinda looks like he is sucking up to you there. No I don't feel like that is a serious point against him. I merely think that he shouldn't be getting this free ride and it is very much not like the common theme of my games with him: Active and loud. | ||
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I fail to see how everybody thinks that its OK for VA/FT to play terribly and excuse that as "Their town meta is to play awfully, when they are scum they play well". WTF IS THAT? We never lynch them when they look scummy only the other way around? Get out. I'd also be happy to lynch rayn because AS I"VE SAID BEFORE he is trying to spam his way into control of the thread, in large part by shouting down anybody who disagrees with him. It just isn't town-motivated to do that. Doesn't help that Koshi is literally parroting everything rayn says and they literally back each other up on every tiny thing. | ||
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I've said before, I've had games as town where I have utterly irreconcilable differences with another townie and this could be a case of that but if they are both town then I don't even know what to say. Iunno, nothing about that pair makes much sense to me tbh. @Oats: Who da eff is scum then if it isn't some large portion of FT/VA the "I don't need to look like town" players or Koshi/Rayn the "Maybe if we shout loudest the thread will believe us" siamese twins. PS: Can anybody explain unshakeable town reads from N0? Because rayn and koshi are pulling those out bigtime. Like, not only are they joined at the hip, but rayn has a variety of other "100% town" reads on way way too many people. It doesn't make any sense at all. | ||
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Rayn's accusations are founded on essentially his claim that you tried to shut down thread discussion N0 when you should have learned better from an old game. Following which according to him you refused to "answer" his accusations. I mean, you could have played better N0 maybe but rayn went berserk over not much and hasn't calmed down ever since. Iunno, I was in your first NMM so maybe I just have too low an opinion of your play but so far as I've seen you have been your normal townie self, if not necessarily a shining beacon of towniness then at least you aren't playing overly scummily then expecting me to never question you or something. I kinda wish we would have less people spamming the thread with questions though. Don't just ask other people "well what do you think of X/Y/Z?" but rather TELL THEM WHY XYZ is scummy or not scummy. That goes out to a lot of people lol. Don't ask others to scumhunt for you, freaking get active and figure stuff out. Then tell others. | ||
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On August 23 2013 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait now kush is mafia? A few minutes ago he was perfectly fine as he was voting with you. Where'd I call him mafia lol. | ||
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On August 23 2013 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: What is this comment supposed to mean if you do not think he is mafia? Explain. Also explain why you made the comment. It was supposed to mean that I've noticed kush is literally voting for the safest vote in the thread, and every time the wind blows he swaps to the newest safe vote. That is what it means. Incedentally, thats pretty much what I said the first time. Why do you feel the need to question every post I make? Was I wrong? Has kush not changed votes quite a few times? Has kush ever gone out on a limb and voted somebody controversial? Has kush even justified any of his votes? lol. | ||
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On August 23 2013 06:37 Koshi wrote: Mr. Evul Snowman. I don't understand why you are so surprised that both me and rayn are not liking you tbh. I do agree that we are buddying up on you and WoS but we have both expressed pretty well why we are after you 2. Now let me again explain to you why we are at least not liking you. Are you playing like this as scum? Or as town? I am leaning scum. Also for reasons stated in this post that you never replied to. I really don't like shit like that because I made the effort to look in all your games, comment on that, you reply to me, I point out a contradiction in that reply, and you ignore me entirely. I shall again say that I am the self aware miller. Your reaction to my claim was saying I was 100% scum, which I don't understand at all, why instantly jump to that conclusion? While your actual reasoning comes over a lot less certain in post like this. So you type 100% certain scum, please vigi shoot this scum but when you type out your reasoning you are very insecure: "makes a certain amount of sense" "could be doing something similar" "if there is no other miller claim". Another really interesting thing is how you started going so fanatically after rayn. Nothing suggest you are really suspicious of rayn or disliking rayn his playstyle. You are even having good conversations with rayn here and here. So there is basically no bad blood between you and rayn, even though rayn is a bit grilling you, you have no problem at all with it. Then out of fucking nowhere these quotes: Your follow up on those 2 quotes was this case on rayn. Since then you have never looked back and just went with rayn & Koshi are scumbros. All this is just pretty bad. Especially if you admit that you think of yourself as somebody who is terrible at reading people and his strenght is analyzing vote patterns and flips. And like I have said, in those 4 town games I read you never were this radical in your thinking. First you announce to the thread that SAM is a dumb role because it should claim immediately. Then, after some "should survivor claim" arguments that went for a while you bust out with "JK I'm confirmed town because I'm the self aware miller". Yep that made sense... Not. Your argument that you wanted to get the threads thoughts on a self aware miller claim looked a lot more like "well I made sure nobody else was the SAM, so then I could claim it". While it is possible that you are in fact the SAM it really struck me as far more likely that you were scum. Then rayn went off on a spree of accusing literally every person in the thread who had contributed anything (except you) of being scum. So I was like "wtf is with this guy?". Then rayn pulls this garbage that you quoted where he asks you about a post that doesn't exist in the thread. SO I WONDER WHERE IT EXISTS? SURELY NOT THE SCUM QT... his excuse being that he wanted to catch you (his biggest buddy and the only person in the thread he hasn't called scum) in some kind of scumslip or something? Yeah. Right. Aaaanyways, then you use my "meta" of being "superb town" (your word not mine) combined with it being N0/D1 and me not having caught scum yet or something to mean I'm scum myself. If I'm such great town sheep me lol. Like you literally shout my praises everywhere as a town player then decide that since I don't agree with you this game it makes me scum. Meanwhile if I target you I'm tunnelling (clear scum tell according to you) if I target others I'm wishy washy (clear scum tell according to you) LOL. You guys seriously don't like me because I'm the only person trying to move the thread forward. | ||
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On August 23 2013 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: "rayn said something to Koshi in scum QT, then he questioned Koshi about it in thread. When Koshi did not answer, he asked "Koshi answer me please". Then Koshi asks what does rayn mean, because he has not read the scum QT." -Snodude You try to explain this series of posts lol. The reason it sounds dumb when you say it now is because it sounded just as dumb when you said it the first time. . On August 21 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you agree on what i said on snodude or not? On August 21 2013 04:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi answer me please. On August 21 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: there was no post. was trying to bait Koshi saying something in case he was mafia. :D nothing to see here. Note that this exchange is not so long after this post: On August 20 2013 23:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also let go of Koshi, he is town. And from what I can tell rayn's sentiment towards koshi has only strenghtened. | ||
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On August 23 2013 08:20 FirmTofu wrote:The only thing I did wrong Day 1 was call rayn town and afk for too long. One of those two things I couldn't even control. You are 2/2 on repeating your mistakes I think. | ||
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Especially one that has been as aggressive as rayn? PS: Hows anybody at all sold on FT being town when literally the first thing he does in a day (after lurking pretty bad) is OMGUS me with an argument SO BAD that everybody in the thread collectively facepalms? Then after that he acts like confirmed town... | ||
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On August 23 2013 10:01 mkfuba07 wrote: Are the unholy 4 scum, or people we're not lynching because they're hard to read? They are the 4 people I am insanely frustrated by this game. Some of them are scum but its really hard to know which. While it would solve all my problems if they were all scum, I find that too implausible. Rayn/Koshi/Vayne/Tofu, btw. I most want to lynch rayn, but thats because he is the most annoying. I'm pretty sold on a lynch of any of them because I cannot for the life of me find much town in any of them. | ||
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In order to continue to provide an alternative lynch out of candidates that I'd like lynched, ##Unvote ##Vote: VayneAuthority However, I'm not really expecting this lynch to happen. If nothing else the WoS lynch shall be informative. I'm probably out for the night now though. May check in once more. PS: YES PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE LYNCHES REEKS OF SCUM. NO SCUM ADMITS WHAT THEY ARE DOING THOUGH. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote:WaveOfShadow PS phones are incredibly bad for vote posts dam. PPS I'm sorry wos tho I know u understand cuz u did it to me too lol. | ||
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On August 23 2013 14:58 johnnywup wrote: are sn0 and wos the only options for todays lynch? why? Coz town are a bunch of dumbasses who think that its OK to just vote randomly for whoever then disappear see: vayne and yamato wtf is their issue. | ||
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On August 23 2013 16:37 kushm4sta wrote: sno u said this to Wos.. how did you know this...vote counting is fucking hard Its rlly not that hard. Quick mental tally based on the last vc. | ||
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Rayn is scum. He has a RED CHECK on him. He's been driving a mislynch since 2 hours into N0. HOW IS THIS NOT THE MOST OBVIOUS THING EVER HOLY SHIT GROW SOME EYES. | ||
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On August 23 2013 15:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Sn0 are you gonna flip town? If you do, who would you like lynched D2? | ||
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On August 21 2013 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: nonono. DP is town. My case is awesome. You can lynch me on D2 if WoS flips town. Deal? On August 21 2013 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to die either way on N0. Really, this is the most confident read i have ever had on the first phase of any mafia game of my life. Vig WoS please. Please vig WoS, he is mafia! On August 21 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can lynch me on D1 if a vig shoots WoS and i am wrong. srsly! I'm on the "grant rayn his wish" plan. Actually rayn should be voting himself at the start of D2. Everybody knows that rayn has been spouting shit for as long as the game has been going. If rayn had had even a hint of a case on WoS he woulda had huge consolidation long long ago. The real problem was that you guys somehow believed he was town when he was actively doing his best to destroy any thread momentum or discussion in favour of "WHY WONT YOU BELIEVE ME THE ALL KNOWING RAYN". Note his partner in crime Koshi lol who is most likely also scum not the SAM so there is no chance they framed him. Like, we have the vote, the flip appears, and dammit if I'm not the only fucking person in the whole thread who is right and you guys all decide "naw rayn can't be scum lets invent wild situations where he could maybe be town" wtf is that shit. Do my townmates have any desire whatsoever to win? | ||
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On August 23 2013 23:31 Koshi wrote: Am I still scum for you Mr Snowman? If you aren't scum you've been sucking scum's dick so long all that comes out of ur mouth is... well never mind thats rude. And you being scum nicely avoids any chance of framing having occured so if I believe that it makes stuff simpler. In your favour you actually pretended to have your own mind for a few hours pre-lynch. | ||
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On August 23 2013 23:38 Koshi wrote: Good answer mr. Snowman. But that previous post of yours was again so radical. So narrow. So confident. Happy? Town should not be happy at this point Mr Snowman. Town should also not be retards, so until you rectify your part in that or admit you aren't town you don't get to talk. What on earth would give you the impression that I'm happy? You just want to continue your dumb smear campaign. Like, you can't even man up and say shit like "Sn0 looks scummy cuz I think that post looks happy" you have to insinuate shit when you know it isn't true. | ||
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On August 23 2013 23:50 Crazometer wrote: Shit. I didn't get time to catch up on the whole thread but this is wayyy out of control. I don't know what happened 55 - 76 but I'm hoping it was strong. Prior to that he did seem suspicious and I trusted rayn in what he was saying about him (because it made sense - maybe I was too eager to trust) but that was weirrrddd that he didn't hardclaim imo. I wonder who WoS checked n0 his filter should be of help there. Sorry for my lack of activity but I stayed back at uni today and Friday nights  :glug: Eurgh that post was a mess forgive me.He checked Rayn and Koshi and came up "same". Koshi literally cannot check green barring a framer framing him for no reason since he claimed SAM so he is either scum or the miller. Which means we have a red check on rayn. | ||
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If you want iron-clad results submit yourself and your target. If you want more info select 2 people you aren't sure about. Selecting the miller is no different from selecting yourself. Any framer should know that. PS we don't know they have a framer although I do find it quite possible. However, I'd say the possibility of them framing koshi is about the same as the possibility of rayn being the GodFather which would be pure justice. It isn't like rayn hasn't played like scum all game and just finished pushing a mislynch insanely hard. Why would that not give you faith in a red check? | ||
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As such, lets THINK about rayn. If you guys don't think he is scum after his performance N0/D1 and how hard he pushed WoS (note how he begged for a Vig kill on our blue role lmao) then I'm not sure what to say. You sided with him on the vote because he shouted the loudest. Now that it is PROVEN he is full of shit by WoS flipping town (blue even) can we just lynch the obvious scum? | ||
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On August 24 2013 00:50 mkfuba07 wrote: When did rayn read him as blue? In his head when he was deciding what mislynch to push. Not in the thread obviously. The thread has never had a hint of what rayn is actually thinking... | ||
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A) Been red checked B) Pushed a mislynch harder than anything I can remember recently C) Hard defended multiple scummy people on flimsy meta reasons like "they play bad as town so they must be town" D) Spammed the hell out of the thread I'm literally not accepting anything that isn't a rayn lynch D2. Period. | ||
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Like, he knew that any negative comment towards VA/FT gets him a vote from them because they had just finished insta-OMGUSing me when I said "Where are these guys? This lurking looks scummy..." so he just hard defended them to keep suspicion off them and to keep their opinions with him. You can't seriously believe that Rayn meta'd 3 different people this game (Koshi/VA/FT) and said for all of them "Scum XXXX is better than this. This person is playing horribly so clear town 100%" and was actually 100% sold on his reasoning. That really doesn't sound legit. | ||
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On August 21 2013 10:29 VayneAuthority wrote: I probably say this at least once a game: Judge me by my actions not by my meta. I RNG my personality for every single game, so it's fruitless to attempt to do so. You will only end up disappointed. It's N0 so chill, we aren't even working towards a lynch atm. Meta clearly good defense of VA... | ||
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On August 21 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is far worse as town as he is as scum or 3p. He is almost definitely town. WoS on the other hand... Can you now comment on my case? On August 23 2013 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:One thing that always happens when he is town but never when he is scum is "Policy lynch vayne". Okay his defence of tofu is very mildy different: On August 23 2013 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have pushed FT mislynch as town. I have pushed FT mislynch as mafia. I have pushed FT lynch as twon when he was mafia. I know how he reacts to the situation and he is not mafia in this game. Period. On August 23 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes it is. FirmTofu says stupid stuff as town. Especially early on in the game. when he is attacked as mafia he tries his best to show his "towniness" and discredits the attacker and his arguments. He fights back. Town FirmTofu rolls over and dies, leaving his thoughts behind. Do you have a better reason for him to triple-hard-defend on meta? He is scum so he's hard-defending people to get them to like him. If he was town he'd at least let people defend themselves. | ||
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On August 24 2013 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Would you like someone who hard defended you snoman? Its human instinct to do so. I'd try my best to make myself suspicious of said person though simply because it is mafia, and a popular mafia tactic is to buddy up to townies when it is easy and relatively risk-free to do so. However, when your day 1 play boils down to "IMMA VOTE FOR ANYBODY WHO VOTES ME" (literally exactly VA's day 1 see him vs me and yamato, and also a lot of FT) one would assume your ability to objectively judge people who are judging you (positively AND negatively) is seriously limited. | ||
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On August 24 2013 02:02 VayneAuthority wrote: Don't get lynched as town ---> did your job In other words, if everybody votes for no-lynch, then townies all did their job because they didn't get lynched. And at the same time they can't ever win lol. Town's job has absolutely nothing to do with not getting lynched, and absolutely everything to do with LYNCHING MAFIA. If you think that you did your job by not getting lynched and voting for YAMATO of all people then I have some news for you: Thats only your job if you are scum. Mafia have inevitability via the NK, town MUST have urgency or else they lose. PS I can't bullshit the night away like you Vayne I won't be here most of the D2 cycle so I have to put my thoughts out there now. | ||
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@Oats obviously I'm into lynching scum right now. If I was into lynching bad play I'd be campaigning for a Vayne lynch right now. Instead I'm trying to get him to actually do anything. | ||
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Or I suppose rayn got framed to red or is a NSAM but I don't buy there being a SAM and NSAM in the same game and I don't buy a scumteam involving Koshi (who has yet to seriously disagree with rayn the entire game) FRAMING rayn. It would make koshi look bad if rayn gets red checked. So basically as far as I'm concerned there is 0 reason to lynch Koshi over rayn. | ||
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On August 24 2013 02:24 VayneAuthority wrote: whats the point of convincing you of anything when you are already too biased? All of the things you just said describe yamato also but he somehow isn't scummy to you. Hmm.. 1. threw away his vote as well 2. did no scumhunting 3. said he would not change his vote no matter what Yamato contributed more day 1. I really wish he didn't also play awfully by voting the way he did, but he isn't here claiming he did his job by OMGUSing. The very act of taking the initiative to vote for somebody of his own accord is better than just sitting there waiting for somebody to vote you so you can vote them back. I mean, you just listed what he did, said he did the same as you, and described him as insanely scummy. Also where did I call him "not scummy" I said nobody made a case on him including you. Really, I don't want to lynch you for at least 5 IRL days so I'm not sure why you are so convinced I'm biased against you. | ||
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Did you seriously just say that "When I'm Scummy that means I'm town"? This from the guy that started the game with "Please don't judge me by meta but rather by actions" at the start of this game. I just quoted that post like last page. Yamato contributing more is absolutely objective because he took any initiative whatsoever instead of sitting inside his castle waiting for somebody to come and attack him. He bothered to even call somebody scummy instead of literally "I warned you this would happen" and counter vote 0 argument. You are free to contribute now though, and if you wish to do so then more power to you. If you achieve anything I'll get off your back. | ||
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Because the latter is not doing anything. Not doing anything defaults to mafia victory. I've explained this already. Town does not win by sitting on their ass and waiting for shit to go down. | ||
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On August 24 2013 02:48 Oatsmaster wrote: So Snoman, if koshi had a green check on any day, is he scum? I'd assume he was framed since nobody in their right minds claims SAM as a role that shows green to cop checks. That doesn't really affect his alignment. It would actually look good for Koshi since it seems unlikely that scum would frame themselves to green after claiming red. | ||
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B) so when you are mafia you do stuff but when you are town you can't be assed to try to even look like you are doing stuff or in any other way town aligned. Great. | ||
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On August 24 2013 03:11 Oatsmaster wrote: that koshi is definitely town On August 24 2013 02:53 Sn0_Man wrote: In other words, it would make Koshi look very very good although now that it has been discussed scum has figured this out too and it becomes WIFOM. Hell they may have thought it through N0 for all I know. | ||
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Koshi really only has: SAM, SAM Framed, Scum. I'm discounting Scum Framed atm. SO: RAYN | KOSHI scum | scum scum | SAM town | SAM framed town framed | SAM town framed | scum GF | SAM framed town miller | SAM town miller | scum I think thats it lol. Rayn can't be framed scum since koshi then couldn't be framed. | ||
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On August 24 2013 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: And you weill probably get lynched when i flip town. That does seem like what would happen in the very strange situation where you flip town. It was also what would happen in the equally strange situation that WoS flipped scum, although I probably wouldn't have minded since saccing me for a scum lynch is OK by me. TBH if you flip town then I think the game is on you so I'll be mad but I won't be mad at myself too much. I guess sometimes scum win by doing literally nothing at all (Hence the issue with vayne's theory of town play. Honestly I'm not calling him scum I'm saying what he does favours scum so much I have to get him active or else scum win by default so I pressure him). | ||
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Just because its *possible* that rayn got framed or w/e doesn't mean its even remotely likely. HE. IS. SCUM. | ||
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I answer accusations made against me. Please excuse me for that. Meanwhile rayn is admitting that he does exactly what he is doing this game as scum... On August 24 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it's not. I do that as mafia all the time Regarding "being certain people are scum" Iunno, nobody but me even reads rayn remotely critically despite the events of the last 2 days and WoS's mislynch. | ||
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I'm curious as to how Kush has acquired such a free ride as well? I mean, it is a bit hard to establish a read on him since it is hard to know what he is thinking, but he has pages and pages of 1-liner posts that mostly suggest fairly random scum-teams and a lot of "Iunno who is scum I'm just guessing here guys". Admittedly, he had that series of posts with his suggested scumteam (crazo/yamato/fuba/onegu) and was even right on crazo. And there were actual argument posts with quotes and stuff. However, he was dead wrong on onegu, presumably wrong on fuba (unless we doubt this vig claim) and is also known to bus. A lot. I'd like to hear some other people's thoughts on him because I'm not getting the impression he cares much. Also vayne is finally playing, that is helpful. Tofu really isn't, we could lynch him shortly after rayn. Koshi is at least pretending to have original thoughts so I'm still not too interested in passing judgement on him until rayn has flipped. Rainbows not impressing, although he is hardly the only person to be espousing scum teams that included Onegu/Fuba both now confirmed town. I agree with a LOT of what yamato has said but he still hasn't managed to make and push scumreads which is a bad sign. Pretty sure thats everybody relevant. Rayn still scum, nothing has changed. That fake-claim... yeah. | ||
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I've essentially never played with Kush (he got modkilled out d1 on a smurf in my first newbie, does that count? lol), but I'm aware that he has a reputation. I just find his transition from "I have no idea who scum is maybe this person olololol" to "these exact 4 people r scum" (when he is currently at 1/3, yamato still unknown) hard to understand. That doesn't make it scummy, but it does make me question why nobody whatsoever (outside of crazy) has bothered to pressure him at all. | ||
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Said posts also contain more than "Anybody who mentions me negatively is scum". Another important improvement. Vayne has ventured into such new territory as reasoning and discussing players. Plus his insights line up with reality. You on the other hand are still content to simply outpost anybody who may disagree with you despite you having yet to be correct about anything I can find. You make fake claims solely for the purpose of shitting up the thread and are 10 pages farther along STILL arguing with people about the exact nature of your claim when you couldn't keep the story straight while making it in the first place. It is obvious to anybody who can read that your actions simply aren't town motivated and are designed to engender an atmosphere where town cannot properly function. Why nobody else is seriously pursuing your lynch is far beyond me. WoS literally didn't claim cop because he decided that me being alive and pursing you, after it was proven that you pushed his MISlynch, was more valuable to town than him being alive for 24 hours and dying that night cycle. PS:You still haven't given any reason for your read on kush. | ||
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On August 27 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: And what do you agree with yamato on? And why are you hesitant to give your opinion on Koshi? I agree with yamato that you are playing like a retard and/or completely anti-town with all the crap you are doing to the thread. That you fucked up your fake claim and are misinterpreting literally everything anybody says in the thread. Plus a variety of one-off posts regarding short-lived topics of discussion like scum interactions with crazo in the thread. I won't bother discussing Koshi because as previously mentioned he cannot reasonably be scum without you also being scum (due to the red-check logic). So lynch you for certain and go from there. | ||
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On August 27 2013 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Also it's funny that you call out MY fake claim, which was far less harmful to the town but WoS "claim" on N0 was brilliant and it outed me as mafia. rofl, i am town and the dude got lynched for it. Can you try to make sense for long enough to make 1 post? would be great. What on earth are you trying to say here? | ||
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WoS played questionably but was pretty obviously town just from his approach to the game. Then you got him lynched by tunnelling him for 72 hours. Nice job on that one. Completely unrelated to your ridiculous cop claim that shat up the thread for ages and continues to be used in strange arguments to try and make others look bad. More mission accomplished for you. | ||
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On August 27 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay sno, as you seem to be here let's take another approach, both yelling each other "you are scum" doesn't lead anywhere: 1) Where do you think vayne is making sense nore than he did in N0-N1? Can you point out the exact posts and tell me why are they better than his posting in in N0-N1? 2) You said you agree with yamato a lot. Can you show me some posts of yours where you point out yamato's good contributions. 3) Can you tell me what your read on Koshi is and why. 1) On August 25 2013 06:59 VayneAuthority wrote: scum suspects for me right is narrowed down to from strongest to least onegu yamato rainbows johnnywup (geript randomly suspicious of crazo for absolutely garbage tier reasons, johnny replaces in and he is suspicious of crazo for absolutely terrible reasons as well. bus anyone?) rayn (just because of the check really, I thought you were playing a town game) Literally just posting a few reads is serious improvement from N0/D1 2) I never pointed out good contributions I agreed with his comments. There is a difference. On August 23 2013 02:12 Sn0_Man wrote: NVM I lied yamato is doing stuff and I agree with practically everything he is saying o.O I'm happy with a Vayne/FT lynch though current preference is FT. Also still want to lynch Koshi but nobody else really does. Also I want to lynch rayn but I think that's because he is annoying. hard to tell. 3) Hasn't changed since D1 voting. I haven't bothered even trying to read Koshi since as I have repeated a lot there is no reason to go after koshi since for him to be scum you must also be scum. Which means even if he was cop-checked red I'd be just as happy to lynch you first. As I mentioned, it *does* look like his posting has reached the point where he may have at least one original thought in his head, but I'm not sold on that. PS: I mean I also agree with him on a variety of more random posts that don't say "X" is scum, but do prove that he is at least thinking about the thread critically (more than I can say for a lot of people). Posts like the one I was using for an example: On August 25 2013 12:04 yamato77 wrote: lol, your association tells mean nothing, Suddenly scum don't interact with scum inthe thread anymore? Did you read GoT? Essentially, I agree with yamato that crazo and FT's in-thread interactions in no way prove that FT can't be scum. | ||
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On August 27 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: 2) Scum can make good comments too. So you do think yamato is town, for his comments? What about his contributions, that's the part you should be focused on. Are they good or bad? What do you think of them? On August 27 2013 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote:I agree with a LOT of what yamato has said but he still hasn't managed to make and push scumreads which is a bad sign. This post, wherein I obviously was worried about his contributions, was responded to with "Sn0 100% scum" by you. Then you feel the need to ask me a question that I had just answered. Its okay I really don't expect anything from you. You are scum and your goal is to prevent the thread from functioning in a manner that could catch scum. I get that. The sad part is that you asked us to lynch you when WoS flipped town and the rest of town was too dumb to agree | ||
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I told you my next lynch after you is tofu atm. Asking you questions is the last thing I want to do. I just want you to shut up so that the thread can be productive. You have 23 pages of filter or some shit. I'm not worried about not being able to find your scum buddies based on association cases that wont fly until you are dead, I'm worried about getting you lynched which seems impossible since 2/3 of the thread believes that the spammiest poster is somehow insta-town. | ||
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Either way, I'll buy that explanation for kush for now, since I really don't have a better one. I am trying to get you lynched. Do you want me to quote 20 pages of filter where you are spamming up the thread and try to use that as an argument? obviously not, because anybody who has been reading the thread even in passing knows how much garbage you are spewing. The difference is, like I said, 2/3 of the thread has unshakeable townreads on you despite EVERYTHING. I've put my reasons out there for lynching you, and people don't seem to pay much attention. Possibly because most of them were promptly buried by 10 or so posts from you espousing my scumminess. And yes I'm not willing to answer all your stupid questions. You literally never stop asking irrelevant questions. I'd say I've answered far more than is really worth the time, since you aren't arguing from a logical perspective. Which is another scum tell really. Anybody who read your little cop claim can see that it was never going to achieve anything other than adding some mass confusion and allowing you to accuse people of all sorts of hypothetical crimes based on shit that you were literally making up as you went along. You aren't playing this game from the perspective of a town player, so arguing with you like you were is obviously (and has proven to be) a waste of time. | ||
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NSAM and SAM in same game. Somebody had fun with this setup. I rather obviously need to start from square 1 sooooo yeah. | ||
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VayneAuthority - special case: him and yamato have kinda done about the same amount, and have been pushing each other as lynchable for the whole game. The key here is that my other scumreads all give vayne a free pass and have yamato as a top scumread. johnnywup - town points for early interactions with crazo but not enough. Null for now. Sn0_Man - me. Claiming town is a given. mkfuba07 - vig claim, this one is pretty cast in stone FirmTofu - He's been scummy since day 1. Of note, his WILD 180 on onegu after it is certain that onegu will be lynched. Like, he pushes Onegu saying "scummiest post I've seen in this thread" on his stuff, then this: + Show Spoiler + On August 26 2013 16:53 FirmTofu wrote: Sn0_man is mafia. Onegu isn't. I retract all previous accusations of Onegu. Onegu is playing far too differently than his scum games to be scum. Scum Onegu is aggressive and hot-headed. Most of his cases are OMGUS. This game he voluntarily pursued me. He initiate confrontation and pursued it to such an extent that it made him a viable alternative lynch to Yamato. Scum Onegu never plays like this. Scum Onegu doesn't take these kinds of risks. Sn0_man is totes scum. I cannot believe how much he has gotten away with since he survived the lynch. Scum clearly shifted the tide of WoS/Sn0 wagons. The fact that the wagons were so close is a testament to this fact. Sn0 has been tunneled on a handful of people the entire game. He hasn't bothered to provide reads on anyone else and has been content watching the game from the sidelines making baseless accusation towards rayn and koshi(probably a bus) the whole game. The , his only post today was a wasted vote towards rayn who is next to impossible to lynch right now. He hasn't done JACK SHIT the entire game and we are gonna lose because no one is fucking realizing this fact. Rainbows - Soft-defended Crazo for a while, has consistently tunnelled townies (onegu/fuba especially, also me), was one of DP's prime scumreads at the N0 kill. Also some very relevant posts just before D1 lynch: + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2013 12:54 Rainbows wrote: Sn0 is active and scummy since the early game. Scum can engineer the posts that I really liked about how he plays as scum / town. I had a gut read early and I need to learn to stick to it or else I'm never going to lynch mafia D1. We are lynching either Fuba or Sn0_Man. Deal with it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sn0_Man STANCES -- GO + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2013 13:54 Rainbows wrote: Yeah, let's lynch the people scum are already voting for. Because that's how you win games. I'm placing my Fuba vote final. If you guys want to kill WoS/Sn0 have fun. I'm saying they smell like mislynches, Sn0 a bit less than WoS but whatever. ##Vote: MkFuba07 kushm4sta - based on rayn's read, which made as much sense as anything to me. Koshi - I reread his entire filter. I still don't like a variety of things but it is hard to see his play as anti-town atm. yamato77 - null. Special case opposite of vayne. About as useless but I feel like yamato has been hit too hard from too many sides to be scum. I could be wrong here. I still like things he said but I admit his play hasn't screamed town. If vayne flips then my read on yamato should solidify rapidly. | ||
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On August 28 2013 01:43 Rainbows wrote: So how does that make you feel about FT? Am I bussing him? Good question. As far as I can tell yes. In reality it makes me more interested in lynching you first, though I'm not sure if I can actually pull that off right now. It sounds like you have already thought through this WIFOM and chose this bus route, but that is very confirmation biased (NOT LIKE THAT STOPPED ME BEFORE). | ||
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You both had hard scum reads on me not so long ago (though Koshi at least provided some sort of reason for backing off it). I'm curious to hear what caused such a 180. | ||
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It is fairly obvious to me that somewhere my reads are off given how Rainbows is going after FT, although technically it could still be a bus. I'd like to see something from you since you aren't a solid read yet. | ||
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On August 24 2013 23:09 kushm4sta wrote: scumteam is yamato, mkfuba, onegu final answer no take backs Alright Kush this was your last conclusive set of reads. You are a scorching 0/2 on the flips. Still sold on yamato? who else? | ||
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On August 28 2013 03:00 FirmTofu wrote: If you people think I'm scum, you would also have to believe that: 1) I killed my strongest townread. 2) I killed the one guy pursuing my strongest scumread. 3) I would kill someone that has defended me throughout the game. 4) I would kill someone whose death would reveal a ton of information to town. Rayn's death was a terrible NK. I would never kill town rayn as scum because he is always too aggressive and makes stupid plays. 1) Killing your strongest townread as scum isn't illogical. All your reads are for show anyway since you know real alignments. Hell it makes you look "right". 2) Killing the guy pursuing your scumread also makes sense. It paints your scum-read as scummier. 3) Killing somebody defending you is irrelevant. Unless somebody has nailed the whole scumteam every townie has defended a scummer. 4) Quick, what new info does rayns death provide town? That he was an NSAM? Sure it proved MY scumread wrong but it didn't change the vast majority of town reads in general. | ||
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On August 26 2013 17:23 FirmTofu wrote: Ok I caught something suspicious in rainbows filter. He voted sn0 very briefly then invited to something stupid that kush said. The unvote wasn't really justified based on his stated beliefs. Looks a lot like a bus. Also, rainbows has been looking rather diffident since fuba became confirmedish town vig. Looks like he's shooting in the dark, not really doing anything of value to town. I can lynch him. He's definitely a better lynch than Onegu. ##vote: Rainbows You never came close to retracting that, but rainbows is barely under suspicion from you ATM. What did he do to change that? | ||
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Rainbows wasn't much of an alternative it doesn't look like. In fact, I'd say yamato would have been a far more logical option to divert the lynch off of onegu, and he is at the same level of "suspicion" in your last post. What gives? | ||
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On August 23 2013 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have pushed FT mislynch as town. I have pushed FT mislynch as mafia. I have pushed FT lynch as twon when he was mafia. I know how he reacts to the situation and he is not mafia in this game. Period. I'm still happy to lynch tofu. Rayn wasn't right about much. | ||
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On August 28 2013 03:30 Rainbows wrote: ... Why do I feel like I'm being fucked with? Thats the feeling I'm getting actually. I feel like FT has this tiny chance to not be mafia (but that would make you/koshi a Scumteam i think). Good thing it ain't MYLO or w/e. On August 28 2013 03:33 FirmTofu wrote: Koshi is starting to look a lot worse than Sn0_man. He was in Titanic so he knows my meta. He knows I would never kill Rayn if I were scum. ##unvote ##Vote:Koshi Well that kinda looks like desperate scum actually. Although it DOES line up with the rest of this post (lol). Nah ur still scum | ||
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On August 28 2013 03:35 FirmTofu wrote: I'd like fuba and kush to start posting more. We need some sincere opinions. We need confirmedish town leading our lynches. Quick lets get the useless people leading the lynches. There is a reason mafia didn't kill them I think. | ||
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On August 28 2013 04:23 VayneAuthority wrote: not really a fan of either of those lynches, rather lynch yamato Because ____________________________ Pls fill in blank. | ||
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If we lynch yamato and he flips town/3p then I think we are in trouble. If we lynch tofu I think his flip tells us more doesn't it? I'll admit the yam games I casually obs'd he was far more active than this as town. | ||
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That really isn't adding up. Its not like Part 2 was a huge issue but I was assuming it would lead to the promised "bigger and better things". Like, you said "I'll be confirmed town by D2" but here we are at D3 and you are far far from that. | ||
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On August 28 2013 04:48 kushm4sta wrote: @sn0 if yamato flips scum you are suspect number 1 now lol Didn't I say that I had a dichotomy in my reads where 1 of Vayne and Yamato was scum but I wasn't sure which? Well Vayne is certainly not helping his case by saying "I won't give any reasons". Like, what is the issue with giving reasons? :/ | ||
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On August 28 2013 06:06 Koshi wrote: Yeah kush is also town. This game the scums didn't dare to give townreads, that alone sets them apart. And then you have FT who as only guy in this entire game thinks I am probably scum. I have been in each game for the last 2 months on TL mafia, every fucking player in this game has said I am town for various reasons. But fucking FT with whom I have played at least 5 games with says I am scum. Fucking unbelievable. Well if FT somehow flips town you are pretty clearly scum iunno. Won't happen tho. | ||
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On August 28 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote: Well, if FT somehow flips town I am still pretty clearly town and very fucking ashamed I pushed 3 townlynches. Nope, at that point you are scum I think. Well played scum. Don't worry though, if FT actually does flip town I'm sure you will have an easy time pinning it on me and securing the last mislynch. I just don't think that is what is happening this game. | ||
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If tofu wasn't so obviously scum he might have a point but reading Koshi's whole filter smells too much town. | ||
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On the other hand, CAN decide about tofu. So I need something solid to change my vote. | ||
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Dead thread sucks. There are 3 scum floating around as far as we know so we are gonna need some better consolidation than we currently have. If we must, I'd be willing to vote for Yamato simply to prevent a situation where scum can force a last-minute lynch of their choosing, however I still think that Tofu is the clear candidate for today. I don't think anybody has a town read on him, why can't we lynch him? | ||
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On August 29 2013 05:05 mkfuba07 wrote: It's the fact that your "honest opinion" doesn't seem to be what I would expect it to be. If I know someone decided to vote between two townies instead of their scumread, who we now know was scum, I find that suspicious. And while I *believed* that to be the case surrounding johnny, you should *know* it. So the fact that you're not suspicious of him makes me suspicious of you. And that is why my case doesn't revolve around you as scumbuddies. You are the one I find to be behaving questionably in this situation. There's some stuff I wrote above that I feel certainly implicates the two of you being scum together, but I'm more confident that your play feels off than his does. Also, you're more likely to be lynched today than him, anyway. I was supposed to blame Johnny for *not* throwing away his vote but instead using it against one of what was fairly clearly the only 2 people who could be lynched? Pretty sure I was calling for consolidation fairly loudly and also I later called out some people for throwing away their vote D1. Also he voted for wos like ~7 other people including you so I wasn't gonna call him scum for that. Whatever. @Kush: He literally has done nothing all game, he pursued me really hard all game with his only reasoning being that case about me bringing up the lack of roleblockers (ya know, the case that had the entire thread laughing). He pushed an Onegu lynch really hard until it was apparent that he was getting one, then he immediately backed off and touted the towniness of onegu immediately pre-flip so that it didn't look like he wanted to lynch him. He entered the thread immediately after rayn's flip with a bunch of logic regarding how perfect the flip makes him look and how it vindicates all his scumreads and essentially proved that he had thought through what rayn's death meant to the public opinion of the thread and how he could manipulate it. It looked a LOT like he had chosen to kill rayn based on what ammo it would give him in the thread. He was a BARE-minimum contributor for a long time until as soon as Koshi brought forth a case on him which I agreed upon, at which point he dashed into the thread with a ton of obviously pre-canned defenses and went into full "Any lynch but me" mode 40+hours before lynch. He was clearly desperate, another scum tell. Iunno, it all fits way too well for tofu not to be scum. | ||
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Well this is dumb because I'm town but nobody is reading anything I say anyway. Oh well. I'm prolly going to bed soon, but in the interest of saving self I probably have to vote yamato here don't I? Well thats awful but better than certain mislynch. Let me know if anybody wants to see sense and reorganize onto Tofu tonight. TBH I prolly die anyway in which case my Last Will and Testament (since I may not get another post) is to lynch Tofu. ##Unvote ##Vote: yamato77 PS alakaslam ur votecount is off since yamato HAS voted and Koshi was originally on FT before moving off (yeah thats less relevant I guess). | ||
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On August 29 2013 13:09 kushm4sta wrote: ew wtf is this dogpile on sn0... is there a case on sn0?? can someone summarize the case or point to it? Of course there isn't a case, I'm town. | ||
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On August 29 2013 16:04 FirmTofu wrote: We lynching yamato? ok. I don't care that no one ever listens to me when I'm town. That's fine. Whatever. Because he's the hero this town deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight. Anyone still wanna lynch sn0? 4 Hours before deadline. Lets lynch this guy I think. Meanwhile long periods of AFK waiting for NK. | ||
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I'm pretty sure the game is very nearly solved from the lynch voting. Although I suppose in the hypothetical situation where me and yamato are both scum and we are too lazy to seriously start another option whatsoever because why would scum bother... Ah never mind. We can work through it post-NK. | ||
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Busses occur but that one would surprise me from a largely inactive/useless yamato. Anyways, I promised vote analysis so that will show up fairly soonish. There is a lot of thread to re-skim to get a feel for exactly how the votes went down (and a lot of cohost filters to peruse for votecounts). | ||
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I was gonna analyze the Onegu mislynch but that was led by Koshi/Fuba/Rainbows. I'd be willing to call rainbows scum for it but mostly was koshi/fuba and they are the closest we have to confirmed town so... The Yamato lynch! + Show Spoiler [ First Relevant VC] + On August 28 2013 18:32 Sylencia wrote: Vote Count yamato77: (2) kushm4sta, Koshi Koshi: (1) FirmTofu FirmTofu: (1) Sn0_Man Sn0_Man: (1) VayneAuthority No Vote: yamato77, Rainbows, johnnywup, mkfuba07 Currently, yamato77 is set to be lynched. Next deadline: Deadline date: Thursday, Aug 29 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) + Show Spoiler + haha nice ninja Kush, "Asketh and thou shalt receiveth, and this swiftly" Lol at Yamato not vote and yet snowman- sorry about that Kush and Koshi get it going. This confirms them as town (so does kush's death) since they don't move off. Scum don't really have a counter-wagon going yet. + Show Spoiler [The next relevant VC] + On August 29 2013 13:06 Alakaslam wrote: Vote Count yamato77: (2) kushm4sta, Koshi Koshi: (1) FirmTofu FirmTofu: (1) Sn0_Man Sn0_Man: (4) VayneAuthority, johnnywup: (0) No Vote: Rainbows, johnnywup Currently, Sn0_Man is set to be lynched. Next deadline: Deadline date: Thursday, Aug 29 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Scum have established their counter-wagon. Essentially, upon seeing confirmed town hop on an option (fuba voting me) they all hopped on board. Note that rainbows and johnny don't get a free ride here since they appeared AFK rather than unsure who to vote for. And obviously its not all scum on me. Note also that IF I AM SCUM then this wagon makes no sense. Scum could easily make another lynch option work. As in, Tofu/Johnny/Me/Yam were ALL lynchable so even if 3 of us are scum we can just all pile on the other and likely secure his lynch at this point. The fact that I am the primary wagon here speaks in my favour I think. The 3 posts immediately after this are Kush (confirmed town), Fuba (confirmed town) and I all realizing that this wagon is pure bullshit. Kush is already on yam, me and fuba both instantly unvote and nail yam. Again, note that when fuba moves off of me the vote is 3-3 me-yam. Scum can still very easily create another wagon if both Yam and I are scum. Instead I vote yam, putting him ahead and he never comes back. At this point, it isn't entirely unbelievable that the entire scumteam is on me (although I'm far from certain of it). Immediately thereafter; + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 13:56 VayneAuthority wrote: ##unvote vote:yamato77 not worth keeping around if this game ever goes to lylo Vayne jumps on yam with essentially no justification other than bandwagoning and On August 29 2013 15:49 johnnywup wrote: 1=sn0 2=FT 3=yamato http://i.imgur.com/NvRsDWA.png random.org has spoken ##vote yamato so does johnny, once again with no real justification. Rolling a 3 on random.org is clearly not a reason whatsoever as there are so many ways to make it say whatever he wants it to say. (note that while some time has passed from 2nd VoteCount to here it is all on one page of the game, so its not like I'm chopping out important bits). So we arrive at essentially the end votecount: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 17:06 Sylencia wrote: Vote Count yamato77: (6) kushm4sta, Koshi, mkfuba07, Sn0_Man, VayneAuthority, johnnywup Sn0_Man: (2) Yamato77, FirmTofu No Vote: Rainbows Currently, yamato77 is set to be lynched. Next deadline: Deadline date: Thursday, Aug 29 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Yamato is clearly hammered and while he doesn't need to move from now on its fairly clear that any vote movement could as easily be scum trying to look good as anything else. The only vote change that occurs is rainbows tossing his vote on yam while saying "taking 0 credit for this". Then yamato dies. MY conclusions (please draw your own as well): 1) I'm not scum. If I were scum both me and yamato were clearly around and could have driven some sort of wagon on a townie, at least for a while. The utter lack of ANY real momentum on anybody not me or yamato is very very telling. 2) Koshi is simply town. I really don't think I can doubt this any more whatsoever. Those are pretty much my hard conclusions lol. I'd expected to be able to figure out more when combining the 2 lynches but it didn't pan out too much. I will say that I think this looks bad for johnny solely because if he was town I think that scum would happily have joined fuba in pushing him very hard and I think they could have secured his lynch. And TBH I probably would have gone along with a johnny lynch over a yamato lynch yesterday so... I feel like that bit is fairly important. I don't really know what to make of tofu's vote on me staying to the end . I guess its brownie points for him because I'd probably be tearing him a new one right now if he had switched at the last minute. | ||
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On August 31 2013 01:45 Rainbows wrote: Rule #26 of mafia: At least 1 scum is always on the town-lynch wagon to ensure it goes through. Koshi and Johnny are the only two non-confirms on the list that voted WoS. Both also voted Onegu, and Vayne is pretty town. So we're lynching Johnny, right? Nothing redeeming about him, eh. A) Your rule is garbage since it doesn't make sense for mafia to do that B) You aren't confirmed either | ||
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So, Who is alive? VayneAuthority geript johnnywup Sn0_Man - Confirmed town mkfuba07 - Confirmed town FirmTofu Rainbows Koshi - Confirmed town 2 scum left most likely. so 2 of Tofu/Rainbows/Vayne/Johnny. We have 1 "OK" mislynch before its lylo. If we can get proof of town from any of those 4 we win the game. I'd love to hear more input guys. @rainbows: I think I can work with that. Really I need to start re-investigating all 4 I've mentioned and see if I can come up with something concrete on anybody. It gets hard when people just AFK. | ||
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On August 31 2013 02:00 Rainbows wrote: We only have one confirmed sn0, and that's Fuba. I'm paranoid about Koshi but he's probably town with this bad setup. You aren't confirmed, but i'd rather lynch FT / johnny over you. We are approaching lylo (though not QUITE there yet). Which means that Town reads are almost as important as scum reads. Which means I'm not accepting this. If you wish to dispute my confirmed towniness, you *must* come up with a reason for how yesterday's voting went down that includes me being scum because we NEED every confirmed town we can get. It is quite simple: when there are 2 serious wagons and 1 is on scum, THE OTHER IS TOWN. I am fully into solve the game mode. I don't care if you don't like some of my posts or whatever. We are at the point where the game is solvable for town and dipshitting around isn't helping. Proving yourself town would go a long way towards winning the game btw so you can start there. | ||
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B) FT's old scumreads are me and koshi which is pretty rich. I'm with you though I'd love to hear what he thinks now lol. | ||
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On August 31 2013 02:24 Koshi wrote: See I like what you are saying, but when you are scum with johnny/yamato I doubt that you 3 can start a town wagon while there is Kush/koshi on yamato and VA/FT on sn0. If you read the VC's in my long post, the development between the first votecount where yam is at 2 and everybody else is at 1 to the 2nd one where I'm the primary lynch candidate with 4 votes includes yamato SELECTING ME AS HIS MISLYNCH OF CHOICE over an easy option like tofu (who in your scenario is town) who he had been calling bad for a while or koshi who already had a (in your scenario) town vote on him and would thus have been pushable to 4 votes almost instantly. There is just no way. As I said, scum jumped on the chance to sheep confirmed town (fuba) and vote for me, since they are happy to vote for a townie. | ||
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Otherwise koshi you have it about right FT/VA/Johnny are the rest. It sounds like johnny is the one to go but I'm not sure how much I trust Vayne/Rainbows to tell me that. The fact that scum didn't transfer onto him last vote is really bothering me about him though, makes me more and more interested in lynching him. He's also taken the mega-lurk road which isn't uncommon for newer scum as the game progresses and more actual info and reads show up (aka its harder to bullshit because town have some absolutes to work off of). | ||
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Thoughts anybody? Rainbows is still the wildcard for me. | ||
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On August 31 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote: I would never leave fuba alive twice in a row as a confirmed town. Neither rayn nor kush was actually confirmed, I'm not a terrible scum player. DAT WIFOM holy shit thats the WIFOMiest WIFOM in history. | ||
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I mean, that was the strat LAST time (admittedly it didn't work) but it makes some amount of sense, and its more foolproof if (and this is a big if) fuba is only on townies now so he can't mess it up like last time for them. It makes as much sense as anything else. Your role in it is still WIFOM unless you think that this would prove a rainbows/FT scum team. Which it would if it wasn't WIFOM obviously. | ||
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Rainbows: FT/Johnny Vayne: Johnny FT: Afk Johnny: Afk Actually, at this point its too much wifom and too easy to bus for this to matter, but still. I feel like there should be some info there. Hmm, I'm tempted to say the scumteam is EITHER FT/Johnny or VayneBows (hue). I'm not sure a FT/Johnny scumteam makes sense due to my previous comments on johnny and bussing but I'll admit vayne did point out it as possible. Does anybody else remember some interactions between Vayne and Rainbows? I don't remember them ever commenting on each other... | ||
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Reasons? | ||
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On August 24 2013 23:51 Rainbows wrote: VayneAuthority johnnywup <---- Pandas? Sn0_Man <---- Hodor? mkfuba07 FirmTofu <--- maybe mafia, if mafia with craze/mkfuba then decently good at distancing. Onegu Rainbows kushm4sta Koshi raynpelikoneet <--- lol yamato77 Yeah I like this list, a lot. I'd prefer Mkfuba but I guess I sheep for now. ##Vote: Yamato77 This list with 2 confirmed town as scum Yes yes it has yamato as red etc but I'm simply not sold on it. Yamato has been soft-bussed since D2 when it was 7-0 voting for yamato. D3 where he got lynched there was an effort to save him but there was also obviously some bussing since in the end only 2 people were NOT on him. Not that it makes him scum either just that nothing is screaming town to me. I took his comment in the thread about "mod-confirming" as completely null wifom. I feel like we need to consider all the options in our lynch now that the game can be solved or very nearly so. | ||
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Sure. Maybe u make the point that reads should change then >_> | ||
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It really isn't that I want to lynch rainbows over the others just that I don't want to give him such a free ride. I'm now thinking lynching vayne might tell us the most, although that might be a mistake. Good thing we have like 36 hours I guess. | ||
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I'm just so confused. Like, this makes no sense from either alignment. | ||
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##Vote: FirmTofu I still have these bad thoughts of a rainbows/vayne scumteam though. | ||
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On August 31 2013 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote: yea i do, johnny is better Got explanations for FirmTofu's brilliant play then? | ||
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Tofu and Vayne continue their illogical play (might just be they are scum). Iunno what to say. | ||
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Yeah I think its the vayne lynch first. Then Johnny. ##Vote: 24 Hour Day-Cycle | ||
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On September 02 2013 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote: yea I was going to vote rayn until he died, not the best choice. Should have disposed of fuba asap another game for me with a flawless zero actions ever touching me lol, I might as well not be in the game when im town =) You were the next lynch I think tbh. At least, me and Koshi were pushing for you. | ||
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On September 02 2013 11:22 johnnywup wrote: there were a billion scummy as fuck posts from FT, and the rest of my scumteam for that matter. Maybe me too. I dunno, I thought the team was super super obvious the whole time. Scum often think that, Don't worry about it too much. However, Disappearing from the thread simply doesn't help your chances unless multiple townies are also doing it. Even then, try to avoid it. So long as you are posting and impacting thread sentiment its hard to lynch you. I find it funny that rainbows had the game figured out far better than any townie. Or at least, he'd have us believe that. | ||
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Ah well, water under the bridge. | ||
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