Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2

On August 28 2013 23:57 strongandbig wrote:
we got axlegreaser too, hes supposed to be crazy right? now we just need chezinu

On August 30 2013 18:03 Clarity_nl wrote:
Is there a reason you're revealing stuff about your role, Koshi?

On August 30 2013 18:17 Koshi wrote:
Somebody makes a machine out of it and kills us all D:

On August 30 2013 18:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Koshi is totes town, cephiro is... totes town, and geript is weird but probably town.

On August 30 2013 19:16 Clarity_nl wrote:


I'm not sure I'm comfortable being on the same page as you.

I dunno. I really don't like that he calls cephiro a good shot, but not scum. Like I get the sentiment of shooting lurkers but cephiro is no lurker.
That said, as koshi puts it, vayne shows to care about this game, which probably means he's a bad lynch today.
Wanna lynch WoS instead?

On August 30 2013 19:23 Hassybaby wrote:


I don't mean BH in the post. It was just well established that BH and I are the same person back in Aperture 1.

I mean my other half in game, in terms of roles.

On August 31 2013 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote:


No it doesn't? Unless you consider Black Mesa a scumteam. But we know nothing of them

@Koshi, Turns out the amulet wouldn't be SUPER awesome on me, but it would still be good. Turns out I can't attempt to do stuff for which I don't have the resources

On August 31 2013 00:09 Stutters695 wrote:

Can you link to the black mesa thing from previous games?

On August 31 2013 00:17 Stutters695 wrote:

I only see one scum team there. Am I missing something?

On August 31 2013 00:18 kitaman27 wrote:


If the OP makes it so clear, what is the harm in pointing it out? Mafia faction(s) are likely aware of the possibility so I'm just pointing it out so town is as well.

It impacts the way you should be playing the game. Haunted and Insane 2 resulted in town loses for not adequately adapting to a multi-faction game. There are certain tricks you can use in a multi-faction game, such as chainsaw defending a scumbuddy against a mafia player of the opposing faction. Town circles should be tighter than usual and we can try to play off the faction rivalry to possibly gain additional information when a mafia player is about to be lynched.

On the topic of the setup, something that I think was strongly underutilized in the first game was the item mechanic. Since items are passed on death, we can use them as an investigative tool to determine who is possibly carrying out a kill. This relies on some type of ability to identify who is holding an item, but there are probably other ways of taking advantage of this as well.

On August 31 2013 00:30 Felkyr wrote:
Well, I have read several posts who 'blame' the lurkers.

On August 31 2013 00:47 kitaman27 wrote:


No, I am assuming Black Mesa IS another scum team.

On August 31 2013 00:51 kitaman27 wrote:


A fact is something that I know to be true. Speculation is something I believe to be true.

The OP does not state that Black Mesa consists of more than 1-2 members. I believe it does however based on the unwillingness to rebalance and the previous game.

On August 31 2013 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi I'm awake and reading. Did I miss anything important? Like did anyone die or anything?

On August 31 2013 01:05 kitaman27 wrote:


Huh? We're coming to the same conclusion yet for some reason it makes me mafia? My argument about the balance was that I think Mesa is larger than smaller due to the rebalance concerns. I referenced the OP as support so it's not like I'm trying to hide knowledge or anything. Anyways, I'm going to drop it since it really was just setup speculation rather than anything super important. Push it if you wish.

On August 31 2013 01:17 Clarity_nl wrote:


What?

On August 31 2013 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote:


No it doesn't? Unless you consider Black Mesa a scumteam. But we know nothing of them

@Koshi, Turns out the amulet wouldn't be SUPER awesome on me, but it would still be good. Turns out I can't attempt to do stuff for which I don't have the resources

On August 31 2013 01:26 Clarity_nl wrote:


They're a faction, that doesn't make them a scumteam?
When I think scumteam I think a group of people who have nightly kp and win when everyone else is dead. We certainly don't know if either of those are true.
They COULD be a scumteam, they could not.

On August 31 2013 01:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
cephiro, felkyr, obviousone all scum lol

this game is easy so far

cephiro - get softly discredited by multiple people for "caring about the game" when I play differently every game so it's just an excuse to have an opinion. My case is promptly swept under the rug and nobody ever mentions him again until he responds to my post.

Felkyr - how long did it take you to make that entrance post, an hour?

obviousone - Instead of going with town sentiment and finding me scummy he immediately jumps to a 3rd party conclusion since he knows I'm not on his scumteam. Very strange conclusion to draw this early in the game.

On August 31 2013 02:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh wow two of the scum I already nailed parading in and trying to discredit me again. who would have fucking thought rofl?

get out of the thread scum.

On August 31 2013 02:25 VayneAuthority wrote:


yes, I've made small outlines on why I think they are scum and they look really intent on trying to get rid of me but the kicker is they actually aren't doing much of anything.

read through cephiro's filter and tell me what you think, especially the post where he says he's fine with lynching lurkers but would rather lynch "better candidates" first (read active people)

Black Mesa: Objective - Unknown

On September 01 2013 23:17 Clarity_nl wrote:


Hmm. Well I dunno what this pokemon business is, all I know is pikachu died, but it might explain why rayn has seemed so absent? Been doing pokemon battles all day, rayn?

On September 01 2013 23:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
Is there any benefit to you fighting? Your claim makes no real sense.

On September 02 2013 02:26 MrZentor wrote:
Assuming his vote rigging ability is a scum role, it would be best for them to use it later in the game. This gives mafia a strong motivation for saving geript, even if it's risky

Which would lead them to vote for the person who is most likely to be lynched besides geript.
+ Show Spoiler +

All I'm saying is that if geript flips mafia, we need to kill one of those people. I don't know if he will or not.

On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote:


Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum .

So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful?

I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list.

On September 02 2013 05:40 WaveofShadow wrote:

Nope, not buying it.
Geript claimed unlynchable at 6:50 KST Aug 31 TL time.
The only people voting him at this point were Oats/Cheese/Dandel. Cheese switched his vote 11 min before the claim.
Maybe, MAYBE this argument can make sense for Oats and Dandel since they voted Felkyr much earlier, but do we assume Geript just sprung the idea in thread without mentioning it in scum QT and allowed his scumbuddy Cheese to vote elsewhere first? (Not to mention there is no way Dandel is scum anyway, but that's besides the point.)

How about the other 4 on Zentor's list? How do they fit in exactly?

On September 02 2013 20:38 Hassybaby wrote:


Nope. At least, I dont think so

On September 02 2013 22:03 AxleGreaser wrote:


I believe I am currently not voting anyone
My views on his alignment are pretty clear.
That he is still AFK is pretty clear.
I have been participating and making my thoughts known....
I do admit the item switch thing threw me a bit...

FYI: the people I have pushed today you had better believe I am serious...
and unless i get the post more towny stuff now that i have requested will be back to you...

On August 31 2013 07:25 AxleGreaser wrote:


Rayn: Have you played/read other Aperture games?
Axle: Nope (not recently enough to remember anything)

Rayn: Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is.
Axle having just buzzed it while that is kind of what it iswas as they(BM faction) won when they outnumbered ...the sleeper cell nature of them made them rather different to a normal scum team. What they'd be this time is unknown to me...
@Rayn
Why do you claim to know what it 'is' instead of 'was'?
Why dont you wonder how grey might have changed it for this game?

Rayn: And kitaman very well knows that.
@Rayn
I am not clear how what kitaman very well knows happened in previous games has an effect on your interpretation of what he said?


I think kitaman did not post it did not post what he said about faction because he thought it was a brand a new thought to everyone, but because at least one person on the scum team will have said that in their QT (hence all the scum already know), and there might be (and are) town players like me who have not read aperture (recently enough) to remember anyth9ing about it. I also never played either portal for more than 5 mins, and its been a very long time since I last knew who Black Mesa was.
it is thus a net win to tell any townies who dont know(me) the most important stuff from the last games.


So from my point of view anyone pointing out obvious important thematic stuff from aperture games, portal or ... is fine with me. if that offends some players put it in spoiler tagged to the end of useful post. ta.

On September 03 2013 01:43 WaveofShadow wrote:

What is your fucking obsession with this Rayn?
Why is this like your only contribution lately?
No I have nothing to do with Pokemon.
I am the only person Shiao has masoned with.

On September 03 2013 02:21 Clarity_nl wrote:


rayn why are you barely posting for your standards? You've complained about useless posts and setup speculation twice now but you have a 4 page filter and two of those are dedicated to pokemon...

On September 03 2013 03:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Can mafia really have that OP of a power? Because that's really what's putting me off here. In b4: it's GreYmist game bro

On September 03 2013 03:59 ShiaoPi wrote:


Mason ability is multiuse, I can add up ppl to the QT every night. I masoned WoS to get a better read on him and some other minor reasons.
what the hell is your obsession with the pokemon though? I just passingly mentioned it.

On September 03 2013 04:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


In summary, Oats said Geript was super town and should not be lynched because he will flip town. He didn't stop Geript from monopolizing the lynch and picking his target in BH. BH dies. Geript is now confirmed scum because he lynched town BH.

It could just Oats being retarded but I'm not sure. I still want to lynch alakaslam more :D

On September 03 2013 04:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
But scum oats used to do complete 180's in the old days what happened to that rayn

On September 03 2013 14:40 Felkyr wrote:
@Rayn
I know you like to talk about your pokemon.

So, you are supposed to fight with another pokemon guy, right? Why would you think he is town? To me, it seems much more logical/likely that your opponent is scum or at least antitown if you are town. Why would you let people fight otherwise? That being said, like you assumed yourself, S&B could be your opponent.

And another boldface post (although not that evincive):

He has denied it, but of course he will do that if the chances are likely your opponent is scum. But why would he write it then in the first place? To have something to claim later on, only afterwards realizing his mistake? OR, he thinks/knows that your opponent is Randombum, which is interesting.
S&B Would you comment on that? Why would you boldface that sentence?

On September 03 2013 19:24 Hassybaby wrote:
I said it over Skype while we were playing DnD Clarity

On September 03 2013 21:26 Koshi wrote:
If you are scum Oats, you really have a completely different meta as scum. It's crazy obvious.

On September 03 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:

Im a lot less useful and I havent got into any shitfights with anyone yet.

On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:
From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread.

On September 04 2013 00:48 kitaman27 wrote:


A thief type role would also address that concern. Tough to say without the role list. It also wouldn't be out of the question of being a town role.

Who are your top two lynch preferences? It's not quite clear.

On September 04 2013 01:53 Clarity_nl wrote:


Cephiro has a green check/mason/something on Shiaopi, or at least that's how I took his post at the start of d2.

Here's the thing, hassy mentioned his action and the apparent failure thereof WAY before kita claimed his ability and used it.
Did scum hassy have a reason to think he was tracked/watched/whatever? Not as far as I'm aware.

On September 04 2013 02:08 Clarity_nl wrote:
Oh right the weird semi-claim by Shiaopi about the messenger thing, whatever that is.
Seems pretty town.

On September 04 2013 02:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I didn't understand the doublevote. I don't have to be sure of anyone else yet, which is good.
Just get rid of Geript and be done with it. I know the guy's townplay and this 100% is not it.

On September 04 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and for the record if Shiao sticks with what he said I know who he'll be inviting to mason chat next, and it's not you.

On September 04 2013 08:47 Cephiro wrote:
Fuck -_- I'm not sure whether to vote for slam or geript. Geript has actually tried to be useful today.

On September 04 2013 10:10 cakepie wrote:



So you are saying that you are a town pokemon trainer and despite not wanting to pokemon battle there is another pokemon trainer who has been picking fights with you despite your protestations that you should not be fighting if you're both town.

Do I understand you correctly?

On September 04 2013 10:37 Cephiro wrote:


VE, up for a Vayne lynch tomorrow?

On September 04 2013 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
Just as clear as you are. You can go and read my filter if you can't wait. Also, why have you been so keen on knowing everyones roles throughout the game?

On September 04 2013 11:26 Cephiro wrote:
Vigilantes, target these tonight:

Oatsmaster
VayneAuthority
raynpelikoneet

Scum will have a hard choice to make tonight, if they'll try to kill me or not. They know I'm onto them and will pressure them hard, but killing me will make the situation look even worse for them, as they've all tried blatant OMGUS on me.

Play smart fellow townies, I have trust in thee.

On September 04 2013 11:27 Cephiro wrote:


Yep. You got caught, and you're just trying to sidestep the issue because you can't talk yourself out of it. Just like Vayne & Oats have been doing. Too bad that this should be obvious enough for the rest of the town now, they won't hesitate voting on you for any longer. You all scum will die.

On September 05 2013 20:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Stutters I believe.

rayn whadye make of this cell thing?

On September 06 2013 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:

I actually rb'ed ShiaoPi sir. So wherever you are getting your info has been messed with or some such.

On September 06 2013 03:11 Risen wrote:
Because he's scum.

On September 06 2013 03:14 ShiaoPi wrote:


not by me since I got RB'ed

On September 06 2013 03:37 Risen wrote:


Why is that out of the realm of possibility? Why are you so incredulous to the idea?

Also, holy scum batman. Felkyr should be the first lynch if slam flips red.

On September 06 2013 03:58 Risen wrote:

That's not thinking a town player uses. Go back and look at who felkyr said he wanted to lynch and who he voted. Now look at his explanation. That's not explanatory at all. That's scum doing the best he can given how grim the situation is for him.

On September 06 2013 05:19 Coagulation wrote:
Can someone explain to me why we are lynching during the night? double lynch ?

On September 06 2013 05:19 Stutters695 wrote:
Fair enough. Do you trust Onegu's claim? I have a reason to but if you're not in BM you don't know it. Why do you trust him?

On September 06 2013 06:31 Risen wrote:


Wait what? Felkyr has a green check? Where?

On September 06 2013 07:07 Risen wrote:
lol, this game. Two threads, one secret thread, anything else I'm missing. It honestly just isn't fun trying to keep track of everything, beyond the fact of how is someone supposed to scum hunt with such limited information. I say delkyr is scum because he's scummy as shit, he's cleared as green by a secret individual who didn't claim multicheck cop for fear of mafia retaliation in spite of being anonymous... what? Meanwhile Shiao has been given a hall pass.

Lynch fenyr, expose the bullshit in BM, move on.

On September 06 2013 08:58 ObviousOne wrote:

Tell me where to look. I'm confused as hell right now. I trust you the most out of anyone this game. Slam just got pulled out from under me. I figured I would look at Risen but you're firmly town on him. Hiro is giving me shit in the other thread which is actually kind of hilarious.

What are your thoughts on debears? He's charging me 500 for another paint picture and I don't have that many e-sports dollar sitting around. VE pointed out the 'nuff said' earlier but seemed to let it go rather quickly, and my concern is that he might be choosing to align himself with Mafia who have had no flips to this point. Was he actually satisfied with debears response or was he just trying to figure out who is mafia so he can intentionally avoid lynching them? VE gently touching on it and letting it go (saying something about enough to get a read on him) is simmering in my mind right now.

VisceraEyes: Pretty much confirmed 3p. Scum is winning so he's probably playing with that in mind but he's claiming he's playing for a town win. Not a good lynch either way.

Alakaslam: Seriously guys. How the fuck did we not lynch him last night?!? This guy is scum. He started d1 with an anti-town item, which he used to screw with a town plan. He has done no scumhunting and his "final will" was a bunch of useless townreads.
debears: So much scum. He just doesn't care this game, and town debears cares. Like, a lot. He flipped 3p survivor in Desert and has 1000% effort in that compared to this. His martyr post is a cheap grab for towncred since no one is dumb enough to say yes to that plan, and debears knows it.
randombum: Scum. Lack of posting but not a lurker. His Risen vote close to lynch and interaction with me makes me more confident in this read.
MrZentor: Obviously I was wrong about the scumslip, geript flipped town. That said, the only reason I dropped my pressure on him was because of Cephiro's "I have my reasons to believe zentor is town" which I'm putting less and less weight behind. Reread my case on him please. Notice how little he does the moment the pressure on him is gone.

Oatsmaster: Just a very weak performance so far. He got mislynched in Desert for the same reason so I'm not THAT confident in this. The biggest red flag is his scumread on me, with the only explanation "that he's putting forth" being that I wanted someone lynched more than geript. He implied he had other reasons but he's never mentioned me again.

Shiaopi + WoS: They have townreads on eachother because they're masoned so I'm just putting them here together. I thought shiaopi was scum n1 but I expect if WoS is town he'd have him figured out by now. Just gotta wait for one of them to flip I guess?

HiroPro: townread on slam?? I really didn't like his lynch on d2 and just based on the people that were trying to get hiro lynched I want to keep him alive. Having a hard time getting a concrete read on the guy, though.

Austin: Probably closest to scumread out of my null read list. A "silent" vote on slam is suspect as fuck but then again it was on slam. Need an explanation out of him.

Cephiro: No idea anymore. His Oats tunnel accomplished nothing, nor did it look like he was TRYING to accomplish anything with it. His "Oats/vayne/rayn are scum!" suggests he's not really reading the thread, otherwise he wouldn't have a scumread on vayne, let alone rayn (pokemon.) I read him as town for most of d1/n1 but I'm second guessing myself. Good cop target. His last second vote switch is so weird to me, but explanation made sense. Also scum or delusional for claiming scum will shoot him tonight, if he gets shot I dunno what the fuck to think.

Risen: I wouldn't consider him a lurker. I liked his pushback against cheese n2. That said he's being nothing like GoT where his opening post had 6 scumreads in it. Who are his scumreads this game? I dunno. Look into this guy more.

Felkyr: His opening post was pretty bad, but after people prodded him he came in with some clear effort which is more likely town. His vote on hassy was weird, but I guess it's just a newbie mistake.

On September 06 2013 10:43 ObviousOne wrote:

Can't respond to an ellipsis. What is it?

On September 06 2013 23:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
The only reason to vote debears would be if you were pretty certain they are both town, which is pretty damn unlikely.

On September 07 2013 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
We could nolynch but that sounds like a pretty terrible idea. We have to hit scum and I think the cheese lynch in closed casket is a mistake. We get to see what slam flips and if he flips red then cheese is pretty much cleared. I'd lynch randombum there instead.

On September 07 2013 00:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
Like, imagine you're town. debears nirvana strikes you and either you get lynched or debears get lynched, and your first instinct is to use your delayed dayvig on debears? Doesn't make sense. Why not try to get debears lynched first?
Can't make sense of it.

On September 07 2013 00:45 Clarity_nl wrote:
Ugh.

I mean, he was right about the 3p read.... does that mean he knew too much or did he just have a very accurate read?
I likes OO's post about cakepie, but there was never any follow up or mention of cakepie again.

How does his reaction feel town rayn? The bring it attitude was but the shot makes no fucking sense as either alignment, which makes me think it's just scum giving up?

2) he "thinks" i've done this before, yet provides no evidence and has since dropped that claim and not pushed it anymore.

On September 07 2013 01:51 debears wrote:


If I hit scum, towncred comes no?

to some degree at least. I'd rather be in a 1v1 rather than trying to organize a thread (looking into multiple other people) behind me since I have had so little thread presence. It makes my arguments more front and center

On September 07 2013 02:00 debears wrote:
Anyways, until I get confirmation (I'm not getting modkilled again cuz of stupidity lol)

I only said I wasn't caught up within d1 when I hadn't been in the thread for 7 hours on the second half of day one (when there were a lot of new pages since it was the second half of day 1).

I repeatedly said, "I'm catching up and will post reads", and I caught up within 2 hours and posted my reads in organized fashion.

That is a completely different scenario here, where we have more players than desert, I started 56 pages of thread behind in a thread with almost 30 people. The thread grew so fast I couldn't keep up. Meanwhile, i was playing another game at the same time. And I won't be able to catch up

Here's my first post, and look at this game

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/edit.php?action=edit&post_id=1110&topic_id=424349&currentpage=56

You really expect me to catch up 56 pages in a 30 person game with the thread constantly growing while I was in another game? Slam couldn't do it

1) Is OO scummy overall?
2) Was my reasoning for my vote on him solid and logical?
3) Does it make sense for me to nirvana strike at this point?
4) Does my nirvana strike on OO make sense at this point?
5) Do I look scummy overall?

On September 07 2013 02:28 debears wrote:


1) I'd love to hear how he isn't scummy when other people think so.
2) My nirvana strike was a vote in essense (I'm not gonna vote for myself)
3) How so? It makes sense to me seeing as I'd be a lynch candidate anyways and I believe he's scum
4) My nirvana strike on oo specifically makes sense since I think he's scum. Duh
5) Why? I have yet to see a legitimate reason to my scumminess.

The only thing anyone has been able to say is "you are lurking", which is not in tune to any meta of mine in any game. Hence, it is a null tell, and you are solely lynching me for lurking, which is anti-town.

On September 07 2013 03:16 austinmcc wrote:
That was debears who drew it

On September 07 2013 03:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
Are you confident in the debears lynch rayn?

On September 07 2013 05:09 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah nolynch suggestion is pretty bad, but is cheese scum for it?
I've been assuming scum created the split world stuff because noflip is scum favoured, so why would scum bother if they would just suggest a nolynch anyway? Maybe I'm making too many assumptions though, hmm.

On September 07 2013 10:16 HiroPro wrote:
Out of those coag looks awful and rayn looks pretty bad. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

On September 07 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote:


Can you tell who the green check is by and who wed lynch if wed lynch if the check turned out eventually to be a lie?

If I tell you I just got an anonymous message that Alak was town... + Show Spoiler +

No accountability = no check.

On September 07 2013 22:11 ShiaoPi wrote:
probably because I did that cote stunt earlier without consulting my brain. I meanif you take that out I was the fucking first to bring up OO for the last lynch....

On September 08 2013 09:40 Cephiro wrote:
@ rayn: Please claim what ability the mafia has gained from Exeggutor dying. (Under the assumption you're not bullshitting about the whole ordeal)

On September 08 2013 20:26 AxleGreaser wrote:


oooh...
You also know what power scum were trying to get?
(I presume they initiated the battle.)

decide if that is useful to you or everyone to know...

If only scum know then only scum know what their current problems/priorities are....

They could be chasing KP, or blocking, or a check, or a mason for them, or ...

On September 09 2013 03:56 AxleGreaser wrote:
Yeah Ok while waiting for my rocks to turn up and post i will bite.

Hey Rayn why were you certain "Risen is town"

On September 06 2013 07:07 Risen wrote:
lol, this game. Two threads, one secret thread, anything else I'm missing. It honestly just isn't fun trying to keep track of everything, beyond the fact of how is someone supposed to scum hunt with such limited information. I say delkyr is scum because he's scummy as shit, he's cleared as green by a secret individual who didn't claim multicheck cop for fear of mafia retaliation in spite of being anonymous... what? Meanwhile Shiao has been given a hall pass.

Lynch fenyr, expose the bullshit in BM, move on.

On September 09 2013 04:27 AxleGreaser wrote:


Earlier in post by you

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19685549

Risen: I wouldn't consider him a lurker. I liked his pushback against cheese n2. That said he's being nothing like GoT where his opening post had 6 scumreads in it. Who are his scumreads this game? I dunno. Look into this guy more.

Is that your read or is that a quote?

On September 09 2013 05:23 Cephiro wrote:
Ahh.... this is a nice one. Rayn, I'd like to you to answer this: Assuming you speak the truth that you can't be NKed before all your pokemons are dead... how would the scum know about it?

On September 09 2013 08:00 HiroPro wrote:
I dunno rayn, I'm wondering what made you say stuff like this:

On September 09 2013 08:09 HiroPro wrote:


Did you really believe that? How sure were you on Coagulation's alignment for example? Who were the people on Obvious that you were suspicious of?

What led you to believe that there was still a role that could reveal un-flipped roles. Both kita and the inventor were dead. Why bring up info from voting patterns when it was a no-flip lynch?

On September 09 2013 08:11 randombum wrote:
Last night I had no way to kill you, 2 days ago I had no ways to lynch you. Night before that I couldn't kill you. Before that I wanted geript dead.

Why would I warn mafia that I really want to lynch one of their members so they can kill me?

On September 09 2013 09:56 cakepie wrote:


Or you got roleblocked using power that scum gained from killing pickachu.
Rayn you got anything about pikachu having roleblock notification or not?
I'm assuming such powers are not immediate-compulsive since you sounded like you have control over when you use it. So scum could have saved it up for later since they had slam around to do the RB job N2.

On September 09 2013 10:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So reading up I see Stutters knows the other Pokemon role.

WHO? Keeping this information from the thread is super anti-town.

On September 09 2013 21:41 cakepie wrote:


I see you've been after his neck since like D2. I don't really think his shift from slam & hassy over to risen is as scummy as you seem to think. Closed casket is...weird (more below)..., so we go straight to the huge post at

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19703910
in which key points are

• "picked [rayn's] filter first because he was the first one to vote me" -- TRUE
  
• "[rayn's] final votes have been geript, geript, debears. Not a good start." -- vs his own geript, geript, no-lynch isn't much better
  
• "His only post of substance regarding me way early in the game and it ends on could be scum. Note the bolded, he is convinced vayne is town when he has since flipped 3p." -- VALID
  
• rayn votes randombum without sufficient justification -- VALID
  
• pokemon is only contribution -- NULL. being consumed/obsessed by pokemon battles could explain a lot, actually
  
• rayn voted debears... -- well so did you, clarity, and it was a toughie for me as well.
  
• "Mafia cannot kill the other pokemon trainer, so they need to fish him out so they can lynch him." -- uh, plausible, but I don't think so
  

You've characterized the above as a conveniently "timely rayn scumread". But picking rayn first checks out, and if you look closely theres a couple valid points before it starts sounding like a stretch. Could be a spot of OMGUS going on. This also has a solid dose of "omg why are these people voting me for no reason" so there is a pattern to the behavior.

You say randombum's been up for lynch twice, but I don't if closed casket was actually a serious attempt to lynch ranbombum, because it was all like "scummy lurker yo lynch him" and then folks sheeped on and then people chickened out because of noflip or whatever. Like, the watcher reveal got a couple votes onto cheescake, and then herpderp: while we were agonizing over OO vs debears what was that thread doing? Pretty much spectating and backseat driving. Cheesecake finally shows up to talk about his n2, proposes nolynch, people jump off his wagon, there's a renewed push for randombum, and then nolynch anyway... if I were randombum I'd be pretty paranoid about that too, which could explain the OMGUS behavior.

And that's basically the extent of the substantial stuff. Does all this make randombum scum? Possibly, but I'm not super convinced. Fairly inactive and not very useful, yes, but I don't think I'm qualified to judge on that. Not bad as a vig shot, quite like Coag. Lynch? Uncertain.