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On August 28 2013 23:57 strongandbig wrote: we got axlegreaser too, hes supposed to be crazy right? now we just need chezinu Let's try to get this game into LYLO with Axle, Chezinu and Alaskaslam. Make the day last for 144 hours and podcast it all! Get your popcorn ready! | ||
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On August 30 2013 18:03 Clarity_nl wrote: Is there a reason you're revealing stuff about your role, Koshi? I dunno but i am pretty sure he is town. | ||
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If it kills VE it would be hilarious. All bad items should be handed to VE just because Drazerk is not in this game. | ||
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On August 30 2013 18:17 Koshi wrote: Somebody makes a machine out of it and kills us all D: Ahahah.. lol. Can the item be destroyed? | ||
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Usually vayne is like "fuck you, i'm not gonna play the game until night actions happen". Hell i would expect him to do that even in an all-vanilla game.. This time, when the game is filled with roles he actually want's to play from the beginning? | ||
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On August 30 2013 18:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Koshi is totes town, cephiro is... totes town, and geript is weird but probably town. Okay, good that we are on the same page. :D Want to lynch vayne? | ||
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On August 30 2013 19:16 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not sure I'm comfortable being on the same page as you. I dunno. I really don't like that he calls cephiro a good shot, but not scum. Like I get the sentiment of shooting lurkers but cephiro is no lurker. That said, as koshi puts it, vayne shows to care about this game, which probably means he's a bad lynch today. Wanna lynch WoS instead? When vayne cares about the game from the beginning it's alarming. I never want to lynch WoS anymore, ever. No, but for real, why WoS? | ||
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On August 30 2013 19:23 Hassybaby wrote: I don't mean BH in the post. It was just well established that BH and I are the same person back in Aperture 1. I mean my other half in game, in terms of roles. lol i might know you. <3 wanna claim something, dis gunna be fun. | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote: No it doesn't? Unless you consider Black Mesa a scumteam. But we know nothing of them @Koshi, Turns out the amulet wouldn't be SUPER awesome on me, but it would still be good. Turns out I can't attempt to do stuff for which I don't have the resources Have you played/read other Aperture games? Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is. And kitaman very well knows that. | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:09 Stutters695 wrote: Can you link to the black mesa thing from previous games? I don't remember if it was necessarily Black Mesa, but Aperture mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120 VisceraEyes call tell you more about this. :D kitaman played in that game. | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:17 Stutters695 wrote: I only see one scum team there. Am I missing something? Sleeper Cell agents are another scumteam. On August 31 2013 00:18 kitaman27 wrote: If the OP makes it so clear, what is the harm in pointing it out? Mafia faction(s) are likely aware of the possibility so I'm just pointing it out so town is as well. It impacts the way you should be playing the game. Haunted and Insane 2 resulted in town loses for not adequately adapting to a multi-faction game. There are certain tricks you can use in a multi-faction game, such as chainsaw defending a scumbuddy against a mafia player of the opposing faction. Town circles should be tighter than usual and we can try to play off the faction rivalry to possibly gain additional information when a mafia player is about to be lynched. On the topic of the setup, something that I think was strongly underutilized in the first game was the item mechanic. Since items are passed on death, we can use them as an investigative tool to determine who is possibly carrying out a kill. This relies on some type of ability to identify who is holding an item, but there are probably other ways of taking advantage of this as well. You are not pointing it out. You are speculating on something that should be pretty clear from reading the OP, especially to you. | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:30 Felkyr wrote: Well, I have read several posts who 'blame' the lurkers. I do not think you can be labeled as lurker if you just noticed the game started, read it, and commented on it. Does anyone stand out to you as scummy so far? | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:47 kitaman27 wrote: No, I am assuming Black Mesa IS another scum team. Okay, then why did you speculate them being another scum team in your post and did not state that as a fact? To me just by reading the OP it is clear that they are another scumteam. | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:51 kitaman27 wrote: A fact is something that I know to be true. Speculation is something I believe to be true. The OP does not state that Black Mesa consists of more than 1-2 members. I believe it does however based on the unwillingness to rebalance and the previous game. The way your worded you post is really odd. You tried to justify the assumption not to what the OP said but to the "rebalancing difficulties". What i see in the OP is that there is stated: These are the factions in game: - Town - Mafia - Black Mesa - There may or may not be something else (third parties) There is like no way Black Mesa is not another "mafia" faction, whatever their wincon is. I think you are not being too vocal about that because that might imply to the other mafia faction that you know something you should not (based on your faction's number of members - or whatever) and you are afraid of being killed by them because of you saying "guys, there is another anti-town faction aswell, look at the OP, it's quite clear". I think it is 100% clear based purely to OP that there is another anti-town faction that is Black Mesa. The way you brought the matter up is fishy and implies you are afraid of saying what you really think for some reason. I think that reason is because you are a member of mafia or Black Mesa and don't want to get killed by the other one, or lynched by town, because of "too much info". | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm awake and reading. Did I miss anything important? Like did anyone die or anything? I dunno. Let's kill kitanam! read my filter! | ||
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On August 31 2013 01:05 kitaman27 wrote: Huh? We're coming to the same conclusion yet for some reason it makes me mafia? My argument about the balance was that I think Mesa is larger than smaller due to the rebalance concerns. I referenced the OP as support so it's not like I'm trying to hide knowledge or anything. Anyways, I'm going to drop it since it really was just setup speculation rather than anything super important. Push it if you wish. Oh shit.. I am sorry, i fail at reading. I missed the word "large" in your post when you brought the matter up. ##Unvote; | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote: No it doesn't? Unless you consider Black Mesa a scumteam. But we know nothing of them @Koshi, Turns out the amulet wouldn't be SUPER awesome on me, but it would still be good. Turns out I can't attempt to do stuff for which I don't have the resources I dunno. How did you not figure that out as they are clearly are a faction as stated in OP? | ||
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On August 31 2013 01:26 Clarity_nl wrote: They're a faction, that doesn't make them a scumteam? When I think scumteam I think a group of people who have nightly kp and win when everyone else is dead. We certainly don't know if either of those are true. They COULD be a scumteam, they could not. Scumteam, anti-town team, whatever.. but fair enough. Anyways i think we can agree that they are a team with more than one member that has a victory condition that probably will not help town win the game? | ||
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On August 31 2013 01:33 VayneAuthority wrote: cephiro, felkyr, obviousone all scum lol this game is easy so far cephiro - get softly discredited by multiple people for "caring about the game" when I play differently every game so it's just an excuse to have an opinion. My case is promptly swept under the rug and nobody ever mentions him again until he responds to my post. Felkyr - how long did it take you to make that entrance post, an hour? obviousone - Instead of going with town sentiment and finding me scummy he immediately jumps to a 3rd party conclusion since he knows I'm not on his scumteam. Very strange conclusion to draw this early in the game. vayne, a couple of things: - Why do you call out Cephiro especially when multiple people have expressed wanting to lynch you because of you entrance to the game, and told it does not make sense for you as town. - Your read on OO especially makes me think you are mafia. No more to be said on that matter yet. | ||
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Cephiro, ObviousOne, explain. | ||
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It's your own fault because every game as town you purposely try to look scummy for some fucking reason. What do you expect us to think when you do something completely different? | ||
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On August 31 2013 02:15 VayneAuthority wrote: oh wow two of the scum I already nailed parading in and trying to discredit me again. who would have fucking thought rofl? get out of the thread scum. Do you mean Cephiro and Felkyr? Have those guys played with you before? I think their thought process seems reasonable. Sadly, given your appereance in this game, it does not tell anything about their alignment. | ||
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vayne, could you look at my post, did you mean Cephiro and Felkyr? | ||
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On August 31 2013 02:25 VayneAuthority wrote: yes, I've made small outlines on why I think they are scum and they look really intent on trying to get rid of me but the kicker is they actually aren't doing much of anything. read through cephiro's filter and tell me what you think, especially the post where he says he's fine with lynching lurkers but would rather lynch "better candidates" first (read active people) I had a town read on Cephiro earlier for his pressure on geript. Looking at it now the read has weakened, as he is calling geript out for reasons i do not think geript is scum for and he is sticking to them. I do not understand his reasons attacking you (someone not saying "i'm town" does not make then scum). I do not understand his reasons attacking yamato, yet that's a minor point. Him asking Koshi to give the item to him makes me lean town on him again, i don't see scum straight up asking something like that. I can understand his reasons (after the initial "you did not say you are town"-failure) for thinking you are mafia if he has not played with you before. I do not think he said he is "okay with a lurker lynch" as you present it. I think he said pretty much the opposite (that he is not okay with lurker lynch). Overall i do not think he is scum atm. What makes you strongly think he is scum? What about Felkyr? btw i gotta go for couple of hours, i'll get back to you after that. | ||
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Black Mesa: Objective - Unknown | ||
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##Unvote: ##Vote: geript yamato my activity is not alignment indicative and you know it. | ||
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You know what i mean. scum have hard time winning if you do not fight. You can also prove you are town by doing so. If you don't, i'll hunt you down and kill you! | ||
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On September 01 2013 23:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Hmm. Well I dunno what this pokemon business is, all I know is pikachu died, but it might explain why rayn has seemed so absent? Been doing pokemon battles all day, rayn? No i have not been doing battles. The other guy shouldn't be doing battles either if he 's town. We become very effective team against mafia in case we do not battle. I have a strong feeling on who this other dude is. I'm proabably gonna reveal it just before the deadline in case i get shot. | ||
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On September 01 2013 23:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Is there any benefit to you fighting? Your claim makes no real sense. I will reveal no more because only scum benefit from me revealing more at this point. The dude who i am talking about knows what i am talking about. | ||
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On September 02 2013 02:26 MrZentor wrote: Assuming his vote rigging ability is a scum role, it would be best for them to use it later in the game. This gives mafia a strong motivation for saving geript, even if it's risky Which would lead them to vote for the person who is most likely to be lynched besides geript. + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote: Day 1 Lynch geript (6): VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster (0): Koshi (0): Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27 (0): WaveOfShadow (1): ShiaoPi (1): WaveofShadow Blazinghand (1): HiroPro, Felkyr (4): Oatsmaster, cephiro (0): Mr. Cheesecake (1): Alakaslam VisceraEyes (1): strongandbig MrZentor (1): AxleGreaser Alakaslam (1): cakepie The lynch will happen in at Sunday, Sep 01 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). With 31 alive it takes 16 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required. All I'm saying is that if geript flips mafia, we need to kill one of those people. I don't know if he will or not. So you are saying we purposely let geript play like shit and then tried to lynch Felkyr as an opposing wagon? I wasn't even here, did you even look at how my vote ended up on Felkyr and then on geript? Also Clarity, vayne and Koshi are not scum for sure. | ||
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On September 02 2013 02:33 MrZentor wrote: Yes, obviously there are people who tried to saved geript and didn't vote for felkyr, but they clearly weren't doing their best to save him and therefore not as likely to be scum . So he could wait to use his ability for when it would be much more useful? I should have been clear that I'm assuming geript flips scum. I think it's likely given the circumstances. It's also why I said the some of the people were "extremely suspicious" instead of saying that there were definitely scum in the list. I dunno, from the bolded part i drew the conclusion that the list you gave were people who were doing their best as you find them suspicious. If that's not what you mean, what do you mean with the bolded statement? | ||
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It's completely useless contribution and you just said yourself it was a completely useless contribution. I don't understand what you are trying to do? | ||
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On September 02 2013 05:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Nope, not buying it. Geript claimed unlynchable at 6:50 KST Aug 31 TL time. The only people voting him at this point were Oats/Cheese/Dandel. Cheese switched his vote 11 min before the claim. Maybe, MAYBE this argument can make sense for Oats and Dandel since they voted Felkyr much earlier, but do we assume Geript just sprung the idea in thread without mentioning it in scum QT and allowed his scumbuddy Cheese to vote elsewhere first? (Not to mention there is no way Dandel is scum anyway, but that's besides the point.) How about the other 4 on Zentor's list? How do they fit in exactly? I do not buy it either but that's what he is trying to say i guess. | ||
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How can you not know for sure? Is there something in your role that you don't know about yourself? | ||
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On September 02 2013 22:03 AxleGreaser wrote: I believe I am currently not voting anyone My views on his alignment are pretty clear. That he is still AFK is pretty clear. I have been participating and making my thoughts known.... I do admit the item switch thing threw me a bit... FYI: the people I have pushed today you had better believe I am serious... and unless i get the post more towny stuff now that i have requested will be back to you... I don't understand any of this.. geript is perfectly capable, even decent, as looking town when he is town. Your suggestion is that he purposely looked like scum so he could rig the votes and make D1 voting patterns unreadable? What purpose does that serve as town? Him giving us doesn't mean he is town. On a sidenote, Alakaslam looks hella suspicious and should be the other candidate. Anyone who has been reading the thread should not vote for ShiaoPi unless someone CC's him regarding the pokemons or unless i drop dead. What are your thoughts on Alakaslam? Also what was the point of your post about me, this one: On August 31 2013 07:25 AxleGreaser wrote: Rayn: Have you played/read other Aperture games? Axle: Nope (not recently enough to remember anything) Rayn: Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is. Axle having just buzzed it while that is kind of what it @Rayn Why do you claim to know what it 'is' instead of 'was'? Why dont you wonder how grey might have changed it for this game? Rayn: And kitaman very well knows that. @Rayn I am not clear how what kitaman very well knows happened in previous games has an effect on your interpretation of what he said? I think kitaman did not post it did not post what he said about faction because he thought it was a brand a new thought to everyone, but because at least one person on the scum team will have said that in their QT (hence all the scum already know), and there might be (and are) town players like me who have not read aperture (recently enough) to remember anyth9ing about it. I also never played either portal for more than 5 mins, and its been a very long time since I last knew who Black Mesa was. it is thus a net win to tell any townies who dont know(me) the most important stuff from the last games. So from my point of view anyone pointing out obvious important thematic stuff from aperture games, portal or ... is fine with me. if that offends some players put it in spoiler tagged to the end of useful post. ta. What were you trying to accomplish with this and when i did not answer you why did you not follow that up in any way? | ||
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If you refer yourself as the messenger, what the fuck? If not, are you referring to me, in that case, wtf? You need to explain because nothing in your rolename suggests you have anything to do with pokemons. | ||
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So WoS is the pokemon dude! rofl, WoS can you confirm that? | ||
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On September 03 2013 01:43 WaveofShadow wrote: What is your fucking obsession with this Rayn? Why is this like your only contribution lately? No I have nothing to do with Pokemon. I am the only person Shiao has masoned with. Fuck. My obsession is that i want to find the other dude to be sure they are town! That helps us. ShiaoPi: Why did you mason WoS? Why did you not mason him on D1? Is your mason ability multi-use? SnB: I actually think you are the pokemon dude from your stance on me when i had the conversation with Hassy early on D1 and your wording of "i choose you randombum" on D1. Am i correct? | ||
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On September 03 2013 02:21 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn why are you barely posting for your standards? You've complained about useless posts and setup speculation twice now but you have a 4 page filter and two of those are dedicated to pokemon... What do you want me to talk about? I want to lynch geript and Alkaslam because i think they are scum. The pokemon stuff is important. I answered SnB's post about kita, i am questioning ShiaoPi and SnB atm. What do you want to know? | ||
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I have quite a lot of townreads. At the moment i am trying to find out what the deal with SnB and ShiaoPi is, because that might allow me find scum. Or town. Is there someone i should be reading? I have not really payed attention because i wanted to lynch geript on D1 and i still want to lynch him. I can find the rest of the scum later, but if you got some suggestions please share, i will look at them. | ||
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debears was commenting on stuff when he was apparently ~50 pages behind in reading. What's the point as you can't make accurate arguments. And that happened A LOT. I do not know what to think of his role claim, seems like stupid if town. Why would he do that as mafia? I had similar thought than HiroPro had about BH at the time he voted for him. That made sense to me (i mean i did not like his Cephiro suspicion at all). I like his cakepie case. I think he's town. | ||
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On September 03 2013 03:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Can mafia really have that OP of a power? Because that's really what's putting me off here. In b4: it's GreYmist game bro Scum had a voterigger in Red Tams Prize, and that was a mini.. So no, it's not OP. | ||
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On September 03 2013 03:59 ShiaoPi wrote: Mason ability is multiuse, I can add up ppl to the QT every night. I masoned WoS to get a better read on him and some other minor reasons. what the hell is your obsession with the pokemon though? I just passingly mentioned it. Add me to the mason thingy and i'll tell you guys. | ||
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On September 03 2013 04:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: In summary, Oats said Geript was super town and should not be lynched because he will flip town. He didn't stop Geript from monopolizing the lynch and picking his target in BH. BH dies. Geript is now confirmed scum because he lynched town BH. It could just Oats being retarded but I'm not sure. I still want to lynch alakaslam more :D That's exactly what Oats does as town. Full 180's. He does not do that as scum. Also he does not call half of the people town or scum with no reasoning in the first half of D1 as scum. | ||
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On September 03 2013 04:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: But scum oats used to do complete 180's in the old days what happened to that rayn I have no idea. I don't think i have misread Oats ever after N1. | ||
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On September 03 2013 14:40 Felkyr wrote: @Rayn I know you like to talk about your pokemon. So, you are supposed to fight with another pokemon guy, right? Why would you think he is town? To me, it seems much more logical/likely that your opponent is scum or at least antitown if you are town. Why would you let people fight otherwise? That being said, like you assumed yourself, S&B could be your opponent. And another boldface post (although not that evincive): He has denied it, but of course he will do that if the chances are likely your opponent is scum. But why would he write it then in the first place? To have something to claim later on, only afterwards realizing his mistake? OR, he thinks/knows that your opponent is Randombum, which is interesting. S&B Would you comment on that? Why would you boldface that sentence? Because it's possible that when there are roles like this (that are somehow tied up with each other) they are both town and it's encouraged for them to work together to give town better chances of winning (if you play it good). I am not assuming they are town, that's why i claimed in thread. When my pokemons die, bad things happen to town. If the other guy is town aswell, i would assume they have a same kind of condition in their role. That will fuck with the town. If they are town we can remove these bad things effectively, maybe make it into something good. Based on their actions (if they fight or not) i can tell you all if the other dude is town or not. SnB could breadcrumb his role as mafia in case he is under suspicion later on and needs to claim. Remember that he did that before i laid out my plan. In case i die, look closely into him (when you see my role you know what i mean). ----- In other news, i still want to kill geript. I am not sure if Alakaslam is scum because he is so unreadable. Does he do dumb stuff as mafia? Waiting more explanation from Hassy, at this point he seems lika good lynch too. | ||
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On September 03 2013 19:24 Hassybaby wrote: I said it over Skype while we were playing DnD Clarity Are you masoned with clarity? | ||
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On September 03 2013 21:26 Koshi wrote: If you are scum Oats, you really have a completely different meta as scum. It's crazy obvious. On September 03 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Im a lot less useful and I havent got into any shitfights with anyone yet. On D3 start i read Oats' filter and tell you if he is scum or not. | ||
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On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote: From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread. Does it make sense there is not a tool regarding that for mafia? | ||
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On September 04 2013 00:48 kitaman27 wrote: A thief type role would also address that concern. Tough to say without the role list. It also wouldn't be out of the question of being a town role. Who are your top two lynch preferences? It's not quite clear. geript + randombum/alakaslam/hassy. I would like to hear more from them. Also debears looks bad to me. My vote is on geript and will stay there. | ||
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On September 04 2013 01:53 Clarity_nl wrote: Cephiro has a green check/mason/something on Shiaopi, or at least that's how I took his post at the start of d2. Here's the thing, hassy mentioned his action and the apparent failure thereof WAY before kita claimed his ability and used it. Did scum hassy have a reason to think he was tracked/watched/whatever? Not as far as I'm aware. No he had one on Zentor right? Someone else had a green on ShiaoPi? | ||
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On September 04 2013 02:08 Clarity_nl wrote: Oh right the weird semi-claim by Shiaopi about the messenger thing, whatever that is. Seems pretty town. No somebody claimed there is a rolename+town check on ShiaoPi. | ||
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On September 04 2013 02:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh I didn't understand the doublevote. I don't have to be sure of anyone else yet, which is good. Just get rid of Geript and be done with it. I know the guy's townplay and this 100% is not it. +1. Also invite me to your QT plz! | ||
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On September 04 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and for the record if Shiao sticks with what he said I know who he'll be inviting to mason chat next, and it's not you. It will be interesting to see who that is. You were both curious about my talk about the pokemons, wanted to know more and when i tell you i will roleclaim in your QT you are not inviting me. Keeping a look on you guys. | ||
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Lynch geript! Lynch alakaslam/randombum/whoever Why Hassy? What is the motivation for his actions as mafia? | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:47 Cephiro wrote: Fuck -_- I'm not sure whether to vote for slam or geript. Geript has actually tried to be useful today. LOL. Show me how? | ||
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On September 04 2013 10:10 cakepie wrote: So you are saying that you are a town pokemon trainer and despite not wanting to pokemon battle there is another pokemon trainer who has been picking fights with you despite your protestations that you should not be fighting if you're both town. Do I understand you correctly? yes | ||
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Why the fuck do you want to lynch a townie? Seriously? | ||
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On September 04 2013 10:54 Cephiro wrote: Just as clear as you are. You can go and read my filter if you can't wait. Also, why have you been so keen on knowing everyones roles throughout the game? How exactly have i been keen on knowing "everyone's roles"? I have been interested in one and only fucking one role in the game. Why are you lying? | ||
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On September 04 2013 11:26 Cephiro wrote: Vigilantes, target these tonight: Oatsmaster VayneAuthority raynpelikoneet Scum will have a hard choice to make tonight, if they'll try to kill me or not. They know I'm onto them and will pressure them hard, but killing me will make the situation look even worse for them, as they've all tried blatant OMGUS on me. Play smart fellow townies, I have trust in thee. When have i ever said you are scum? | ||
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On September 04 2013 11:27 Cephiro wrote: Yep. You got caught, and you're just trying to sidestep the issue because you can't talk yourself out of it. Just like Vayne & Oats have been doing. Too bad that this should be obvious enough for the rest of the town now, they won't hesitate voting on you for any longer. You all scum will die. I will make sure this is the quote everyone remembers when me and vayne flip. I will make damn sure you feel bad and wrong because you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. That being said i am not sure about Oats. | ||
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Clarity, i think your post before the deadline was good. Who do you think we should lynch? Slam/debears? I am okay with either one of them. | ||
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On September 05 2013 20:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Stutters I believe. rayn whadye make of this cell thing? I'll be honest here, i have not followed the game closely. Can you explain the cell thing or tell me where can i find it? | ||
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I don't see why Axle thinks Stutters claimed scum? | ||
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On September 06 2013 00:58 Alakaslam wrote: I actually rb'ed ShiaoPi sir. So wherever you are getting your info has been messed with or some such. Why would you roleblock a dude who has a green check on him? | ||
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On September 06 2013 03:11 Risen wrote: Because he's scum. How can both Slam and CC be scum? Do you think scum roleblocked and hit Kitanam? | ||
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1) The watcher is lying. 2) ShiaoPi got blocked by someone else than Slam by mafia. 3) All of Slam, ShiaoPi, Felkyr are scum. I'm leaning on 2. | ||
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Did anyone get masoned by someone? If you did, please claim! | ||
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Do you have other scumreads than Slam? What do you think of Risen's statement that both of Slam/Mr.CC are scum? | ||
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On September 06 2013 03:37 Risen wrote: Why is that out of the realm of possibility? Why are you so incredulous to the idea? Also, holy scum batman. Felkyr should be the first lynch if slam flips red. Why should we lynch Felkyr then? | ||
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On September 06 2013 03:58 Risen wrote: That's not thinking a town player uses. Go back and look at who felkyr said he wanted to lynch and who he voted. Now look at his explanation. That's not explanatory at all. That's scum doing the best he can given how grim the situation is for him. Why don't you want to lynch ShiaoPi then? | ||
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On September 06 2013 05:19 Coagulation wrote: Can someone explain to me why we are lynching during the night? double lynch ? Isn't it day phase? :D | ||
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On September 06 2013 05:19 Stutters695 wrote: Fair enough. Do you trust Onegu's claim? I have a reason to but if you're not in BM you don't know it. Why do you trust him? Are you talking to me? Or who? What claim are you talking about? | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:31 Risen wrote: Wait what? Felkyr has a green check? Where? Stutters claimed that the cop who had a green check on ShiaoPi has another now on Felkyr. | ||
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On September 06 2013 07:07 Risen wrote: lol, this game. Two threads, one secret thread, anything else I'm missing. It honestly just isn't fun trying to keep track of everything, beyond the fact of how is someone supposed to scum hunt with such limited information. I say delkyr is scum because he's scummy as shit, he's cleared as green by a secret individual who didn't claim multicheck cop for fear of mafia retaliation in spite of being anonymous... what? Meanwhile Shiao has been given a hall pass. Lynch fenyr, expose the bullshit in BM, move on. Don't worry, you do not need to keep track of everything. Take it easy. ShiaoPi has a green check on him. Felkyr has a green check on him. Is the cop lying in your opinion? If not, what do you think of debears? Or who do you want to lynch? Don't worry too much dude, you can't read 31 guys anyways, take a sample and go from there. I was called scum because i was "not playing to my town meta and not having 4371234page filter". It does not mean shit. Focus on a sample of people you think are suspicious. Make your reads, if there are townreads, drop them, and read other people instead of the town ones. | ||
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When my pokemons die, it gives mafia a one time ability depending on the pokemon that dies. [u]Pikachu gave one time mason ability. So, everyone who have been masoned on N1 start or D2 start please claim.[/b] This is why i did not want the other guy to fight with me in case he is town. He would most likely have a same kinda role. But no, he continued attacking me. Therefore he is scum. In case you rolecop any pokemon master who is not Red (me) , we lynch them asap. Thank you. I'll do my best to hunt down and kill this fucker scum! | ||
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On September 06 2013 08:58 ObviousOne wrote: Tell me where to look. I'm confused as hell right now. I trust you the most out of anyone this game. Slam just got pulled out from under me. I figured I would look at Risen but you're firmly town on him. Hiro is giving me shit in the other thread which is actually kind of hilarious. What are your thoughts on debears? He's charging me 500 for another paint picture and I don't have that many e-sports dollar sitting around. VE pointed out the 'nuff said' earlier but seemed to let it go rather quickly, and my concern is that he might be choosing to align himself with Mafia who have had no flips to this point. Was he actually satisfied with debears response or was he just trying to figure out who is mafia so he can intentionally avoid lynching them? VE gently touching on it and letting it go (saying something about enough to get a read on him) is simmering in my mind right now. I think debears is scum. Why are you so eager to trust me at this point? | ||
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VisceraEyes: Pretty much confirmed 3p. Scum is winning so he's probably playing with that in mind but he's claiming he's playing for a town win. Not a good lynch either way. Alakaslam: Seriously guys. How the fuck did we not lynch him last night?!? This guy is scum. He started d1 with an anti-town item, which he used to screw with a town plan. He has done no scumhunting and his "final will" was a bunch of useless townreads. debears: So much scum. He just doesn't care this game, and town debears cares. Like, a lot. He flipped 3p survivor in Desert and has 1000% effort in that compared to this. His martyr post is a cheap grab for towncred since no one is dumb enough to say yes to that plan, and debears knows it. randombum: Scum. Lack of posting but not a lurker. His Risen vote close to lynch and interaction with me makes me more confident in this read. MrZentor: Obviously I was wrong about the scumslip, geript flipped town. That said, the only reason I dropped my pressure on him was because of Cephiro's "I have my reasons to believe zentor is town" which I'm putting less and less weight behind. Reread my case on him please. Notice how little he does the moment the pressure on him is gone. Oatsmaster: Just a very weak performance so far. He got mislynched in Desert for the same reason so I'm not THAT confident in this. The biggest red flag is his scumread on me, with the only explanation "that he's putting forth" being that I wanted someone lynched more than geript. He implied he had other reasons but he's never mentioned me again. Shiaopi + WoS: They have townreads on eachother because they're masoned so I'm just putting them here together. I thought shiaopi was scum n1 but I expect if WoS is town he'd have him figured out by now. Just gotta wait for one of them to flip I guess? HiroPro: townread on slam?? I really didn't like his lynch on d2 and just based on the people that were trying to get hiro lynched I want to keep him alive. Having a hard time getting a concrete read on the guy, though. Austin: Probably closest to scumread out of my null read list. A "silent" vote on slam is suspect as fuck but then again it was on slam. Need an explanation out of him. Cephiro: No idea anymore. His Oats tunnel accomplished nothing, nor did it look like he was TRYING to accomplish anything with it. His "Oats/vayne/rayn are scum!" suggests he's not really reading the thread, otherwise he wouldn't have a scumread on vayne, let alone rayn (pokemon.) I read him as town for most of d1/n1 but I'm second guessing myself. Good cop target. His last second vote switch is so weird to me, but explanation made sense. Also scum or delusional for claiming scum will shoot him tonight, if he gets shot I dunno what the fuck to think. Risen: I wouldn't consider him a lurker. I liked his pushback against cheese n2. That said he's being nothing like GoT where his opening post had 6 scumreads in it. Who are his scumreads this game? I dunno. Look into this guy more. Felkyr: His opening post was pretty bad, but after people prodded him he came in with some clear effort which is more likely town. His vote on hassy was weird, but I guess it's just a newbie mistake. | ||
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On September 06 2013 10:43 ObviousOne wrote: Can't respond to an ellipsis. What is it? How can you talk with Cephiro? | ||
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On September 06 2013 23:12 Clarity_nl wrote: The only reason to vote debears would be if you were pretty certain they are both town, which is pretty damn unlikely. What happens if debears is scum and OO is town and we kill OO? | ||
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On September 07 2013 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote: We could nolynch but that sounds like a pretty terrible idea. We have to hit scum and I think the cheese lynch in closed casket is a mistake. We get to see what slam flips and if he flips red then cheese is pretty much cleared. I'd lynch randombum there instead. Yeah CC lynch is fucking terrible. | ||
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On September 07 2013 00:22 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, imagine you're town. debears nirvana strikes you and either you get lynched or debears get lynched, and your first instinct is to use your delayed dayvig on debears? Doesn't make sense. Why not try to get debears lynched first? Can't make sense of it. You might be right. I really am terrible at reading OO. I'll go through his filter tonight and give my opinion, ~3hours from now. Deal? I have not read his posts at all before he came to me and asked my opinion on things. | ||
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OO: Like everyone else, i don't see why called Vayne 3p. Have you played with him? And why did he not look like his town/scum self? This is a fishy read. OO's first read on me sounds reasonable. His posts throughout the game sound more like town!OO. He makes bad decisions as mafia and he is not this convincing. I really do not think he is scum. His reaction to debears' nirvana strike feels town to me. I can understand that. I really think he is town. | ||
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In case i am not: ##Vote: debears On September 07 2013 00:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Ugh. I mean, he was right about the 3p read.... does that mean he knew too much or did he just have a very accurate read? I likes OO's post about cakepie, but there was never any follow up or mention of cakepie again. How does his reaction feel town rayn? The bring it attitude was but the shot makes no fucking sense as either alignment, which makes me think it's just scum giving up? Usually when people read people as 3p they are scum. Why not say he is scum instead? It feels town to me because i think it was a purely a reaction to debears' claim. | ||
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2) he "thinks" i've done this before, yet provides no evidence and has since dropped that claim and not pushed it anymore. You have done this before. You were a 3p. | ||
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When i am behind i ask my strongest town read (Clarity) what to look for or what is important. I do not go back reading the thread and commenting on the game when i am 50 pages behind. That's dumb if you are town. | ||
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On September 07 2013 01:51 debears wrote: If I hit scum, towncred comes no? to some degree at least. I'd rather be in a 1v1 rather than trying to organize a thread (looking into multiple other people) behind me since I have had so little thread presence. It makes my arguments more front and center So you are all-inning when being an almost sure lynch after Slam dropped, while ont reading the thread and not being caught up. Yet you are sure enough OO is scum? What if he had claimed something that proves he is town before that? | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:00 debears wrote: Anyways, until I get confirmation (I'm not getting modkilled again cuz of stupidity lol) I only said I wasn't caught up within d1 when I hadn't been in the thread for 7 hours on the second half of day one (when there were a lot of new pages since it was the second half of day 1). I repeatedly said, "I'm catching up and will post reads", and I caught up within 2 hours and posted my reads in organized fashion. That is a completely different scenario here, where we have more players than desert, I started 56 pages of thread behind in a thread with almost 30 people. The thread grew so fast I couldn't keep up. Meanwhile, i was playing another game at the same time. And I won't be able to catch up Here's my first post, and look at this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/edit.php?action=edit&post_id=1110&topic_id=424349¤tpage=56 You really expect me to catch up 56 pages in a 30 person game with the thread constantly growing while I was in another game? Slam couldn't do it No i don't as i was in a same situation in this game aswell. However, what you do not do, is to look at someone's vote on you (no matter how retared that is) and decide that guy is scum and the lynch is between you two. | ||
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1) Is OO scummy overall? 2) Was my reasoning for my vote on him solid and logical? 3) Does it make sense for me to nirvana strike at this point? 4) Does my nirvana strike on OO make sense at this point? 5) Do I look scummy overall? 1) No 2) Where do you ever vote for OO? 3) not from town!pov. 4) see (3) 5) yes | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:28 debears wrote: 1) I'd love to hear how he isn't scummy when other people think so. 2) My nirvana strike was a vote in essense (I'm not gonna vote for myself) 3) How so? It makes sense to me seeing as I'd be a lynch candidate anyways and I believe he's scum 4) My nirvana strike on oo specifically makes sense since I think he's scum. Duh 5) Why? I have yet to see a legitimate reason to my scumminess. The only thing anyone has been able to say is "you are lurking", which is not in tune to any meta of mine in any game. Hence, it is a null tell, and you are solely lynching me for lurking, which is anti-town. 1) I explained my stance already on OO. What other people think of him means shit to me. 2) That's the point. You don't even try to get OO lynched "in traditional way". You just #YOLO between him and you immediately. 3) right, that's why it does not make sense as town 4) see (3) 5) I have stated my reasons why i think you are scummy. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:16 austinmcc wrote: That was debears who drew it AHAHAHA! Maybe we should lynch OO just because of it. :D It really was hilarious! | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Are you confident in the debears lynch rayn? Far more confident that OO. | ||
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2 min later: "don't lynch ceph or mrz". WTF? "nolynch on rndbum" "nolynch" t_T scum | ||
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On September 07 2013 05:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah nolynch suggestion is pretty bad, but is cheese scum for it? I've been assuming scum created the split world stuff because noflip is scum favoured, so why would scum bother if they would just suggest a nolynch anyway? Maybe I'm making too many assumptions though, hmm. No you are right. It was his thought process and it's developement that made no sense to me. I misread one of Hiro's post's as CC's. | ||
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I think debears for what i have said. | ||
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Clarity, looking at the votes here i think there is noone who is scum on debears. I am not sure on that at all on OO.. | ||
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On September 07 2013 10:16 HiroPro wrote: Out of those coag looks awful and rayn looks pretty bad. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. If you are gonna call me scum you need to have a damn good explanation for my role claim then. Also why not Felkyr? Why does he look not bad? | ||
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On September 07 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote: Can you tell who the green check is by and who wed lynch if wed lynch if the check turned out eventually to be a lie? If I tell you I just got an anonymous message that Alak was town... + Show Spoiler + yeah that is silly on purpose, substitute player X of your choice. No accountability = no check. I am not saying ShiaoPi is town or Felkyr is town. I am questioning the logic that Felkyr is town by the check and ShiaoPi somehow is not. | ||
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On September 07 2013 22:11 ShiaoPi wrote: probably because I did that cote stunt earlier without consulting my brain. I meanif you take that out I was the fucking first to bring up OO for the last lynch.... I think your indecisiveness reads more as town than scum to me.. | ||
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On September 08 2013 09:40 Cephiro wrote: @ rayn: Please claim what ability the mafia has gained from Exeggutor dying. (Under the assumption you're not bullshitting about the whole ordeal) No i killed Exeggutor. That was the mafia dudes pokemon. ^^ | ||
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On September 08 2013 20:26 AxleGreaser wrote: oooh... You also know what power scum were trying to get? (I presume they initiated the battle.) decide if that is useful to you or everyone to know... If only scum know then only scum know what their current problems/priorities are.... They could be chasing KP, or blocking, or a check, or a mason for them, or ... It depends on what pokemon dies. Mason is the worst of the powers. That's why i chose pikachu when i did. | ||
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On September 09 2013 03:56 AxleGreaser wrote: Yeah Ok while waiting for my rocks to turn up and post i will bite. Hey Rayn why were you certain "Risen is town" His overall play and cases exactly match his play from GoT. | ||
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On September 06 2013 07:07 Risen wrote: lol, this game. Two threads, one secret thread, anything else I'm missing. It honestly just isn't fun trying to keep track of everything, beyond the fact of how is someone supposed to scum hunt with such limited information. I say delkyr is scum because he's scummy as shit, he's cleared as green by a secret individual who didn't claim multicheck cop for fear of mafia retaliation in spite of being anonymous... what? Meanwhile Shiao has been given a hall pass. Lynch fenyr, expose the bullshit in BM, move on. And a couple of others which are conspiracy theory'ish pre-flip associations. | ||
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On September 09 2013 04:27 AxleGreaser wrote: Earlier in post by you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19685549 Risen: I wouldn't consider him a lurker. I liked his pushback against cheese n2. That said he's being nothing like GoT where his opening post had 6 scumreads in it. Who are his scumreads this game? I dunno. Look into this guy more. Is that your read or is that a quote? It is Clarity's read. That's why i questioned Clarity later about his Risen read, and tried to question OO about his reads. | ||
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If we kill the mafia pokemon dude, i become pretty much confirmed town. There is not a single reason why should i have claimed as scum. There is not a single reason why the other guy would be town. The suggestion that "rayn is playing with the hosts" is absurd and dumb. Mafia can't NK me, because doing that does not kill me until all my pokemons are dead. They need to lynch me. That's why they try to lynch me. I am not here "doing nothing". Just because i don't make big posts with townreads and shit does not mean i am scum. | ||
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On September 09 2013 05:23 Cephiro wrote: Ahh.... this is a nice one. Rayn, I'd like to you to answer this: Assuming you speak the truth that you can't be NKed before all your pokemons are dead... how would the scum know about it? Because they have a role similar to mine, ofc. Why did you think i said "do not fight if you are town" in the first place? | ||
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Mafia is soon losing and they need big plays. If Stutters is town he should give the name and we lynch them because they are 100% mafia. Suddenly now, when randombum is gonna get lynched and mafia is three members town the other dude "claims to Stutters and is soo much more town than rayn". Bullshit. | ||
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On September 09 2013 08:00 HiroPro wrote: I dunno rayn, I'm wondering what made you say stuff like this: I dunno, maybe because i thought randombum was most likely to be scum in the other realm and nobody there except Mr.CC was even trying to do anything to make a lynch happen. I thought debears was scum, more than OO. | ||
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Yeah randombum, you are saying stuff taht's nearly a week old but before this you have never expressed any suspicion on me. How is that possible? Do you not notice stuff said about you? | ||
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On September 09 2013 08:09 HiroPro wrote: Did you really believe that? How sure were you on Coagulation's alignment for example? Who were the people on Obvious that you were suspicious of? What led you to believe that there was still a role that could reveal un-flipped roles. Both kita and the inventor were dead. Why bring up info from voting patterns when it was a no-flip lynch? I was not sure on Coag. He seemed town because he was so off at some point he did not even seem to be knowing if it was night or day phase. Mainly debears. He looked far worse than OO to me. I don't remember if Austin, Stutters and cakepie had voted (i am pretty sure they hadn't), they don't look fancy either. | ||
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On September 09 2013 08:11 randombum wrote: Last night I had no way to kill you, 2 days ago I had no ways to lynch you. Night before that I couldn't kill you. Before that I wanted geript dead. Why would I warn mafia that I really want to lynch one of their members so they can kill me? AHAHAH. rofl, best reasoning ever! :D | ||
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Risen, when one ofmy pokemons die, scum get a power attached to them. I told this earlier. What i did not know, is that when my opponent's pokemon dies, i get the power attached to them. I got 1-shot mason for killing Eggxecutor or wtf that was. I am proving this by masoning someone at the night start as i claimed earlier. Any other questions? | ||
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1) They have no other chance of winning and randombum is scum. 2) Some other big play There just is no reason why Stutters would out this shit now, or why "suddenly the other guy is claiming", like do they think randombum is town? wtf? | ||
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On September 09 2013 09:56 cakepie wrote: Or you got roleblocked using power that scum gained from killing pickachu. Rayn you got anything about pikachu having roleblock notification or not? I'm assuming such powers are not immediate-compulsive since you sounded like you have control over when you use it. So scum could have saved it up for later since they had slam around to do the RB job N2. wtf are you doing? I especially told pikachu getting killed gave scum 1-shot mason. | ||
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On September 09 2013 10:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: So reading up I see Stutters knows the other Pokemon role. WHO? Keeping this information from the thread is super anti-town. I know. And suddenly all the scummy guys jump on lynching me. :D Funny isn't it? | ||
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On September 09 2013 21:41 cakepie wrote: I see you've been after his neck since like D2. I don't really think his shift from slam & hassy over to risen is as scummy as you seem to think. Closed casket is...weird (more below)..., so we go straight to the huge post at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19703910 in which key points are
You've characterized the above as a conveniently "timely rayn scumread". But picking rayn first checks out, and if you look closely theres a couple valid points before it starts sounding like a stretch. Could be a spot of OMGUS going on. This also has a solid dose of "omg why are these people voting me for no reason" so there is a pattern to the behavior. You say randombum's been up for lynch twice, but I don't if closed casket was actually a serious attempt to lynch ranbombum, because it was all like "scummy lurker yo lynch him" and then folks sheeped on and then people chickened out because of noflip or whatever. Like, the watcher reveal got a couple votes onto cheescake, and then herpderp: while we were agonizing over OO vs debears what was that thread doing? Pretty much spectating and backseat driving. Cheesecake finally shows up to talk about his n2, proposes nolynch, people jump off his wagon, there's a renewed push for randombum, and then nolynch anyway... if I were randombum I'd be pretty paranoid about that too, which could explain the OMGUS behavior. And that's basically the extent of the substantial stuff. Does all this make randombum scum? Possibly, but I'm not super convinced. Fairly inactive and not very useful, yes, but I don't think I'm qualified to judge on that. Not bad as a vig shot, quite like Coag. Lynch? Uncertain. The thing with randombum is that his case on me hinges on stuff that has happened on D1, D2 and D3. Nowhere ever before this has he said he is suspicious of me. Why would you not do that because the information has been here forever? Later on he tries to reason this by saying "i couldn't get you lynched before". That is bullshit. CCM and this thread was contributing with each other. I tried to get HiroPro and CC to lynch randombum in other thread. randombum did nothing to get anyone lynched in his own thread, and justifies his actions regarding this thread by "i couldn't do anything because debears vs OO". While this is true it's not a reason to try to find scum in this thread especially if you don't do that in CCM and you are dead set on no-lynching. He did no scumhunting, has not done any scumhunting, and his reasons for not having me as suspect earlier do not add up. Besides this WoS goes into the same category. Suddenly now, when some people express suspicion on me he hops on the rayn train. This makes zero sense when he has never tried to question me in this game about anything but the pokemons. Now he accuses me on talking only about pokemons. What am i supposed to talk about when all the people are asking me about them? He says i have done none scumhunting. That's not true, i have not questioned people much, that is right. I have however hade clear stances on lynches (geript, geript, debears). I provided my reasoning for every one of my votes. I had a town read on vayne, so i called him town. Him flipping third faction has nothing to do with me being mafia, i don't hunt for third factions, i hunt mafia. If someone is not mafia to me they are probably town. My goal is to kill people who are not playing towards town wincon. Vayne seemed like doing so. Other that that, it's stupid to accuse me of talking about the setup and nothing more because every single lynch in this game has had to do only with people's roles and the usage of them. Him accusing me of it does not make any sense from town!pov. Stutters is one big questionmark. He has done some townie things like outing the checks and being like a spokesperson in BM after Onegu died. That's good, but if he is scum, what else can he do as he is outed as a BM member? His reveal on the other pokemon guy and the timing of it and then just fucking off is really weird and he should be placed under further investigation. | ||
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On September 09 2013 22:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not assuming they're mafia necessarily but I don't see how they can all be so unbelievably benign-seeming. VE, VA, and Risen now. I don't know what we're supposed to assume about Yi but essentially we can't do shit about him since we only got snippets of info from Onegu/Stutters and he's been free to do whatever the fuck he's wanted. It has been rubbing me the wrong way since the start of the game. On that note, my initial list may have been wrong because I don't think anyone on my original list of who he could be is still alive. I have to check. VA is dead. VE's role is in thread. Risen's claim sounds fake to you? Why? | ||
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On September 09 2013 22:59 WaveofShadow wrote: It doesn't sound fake. What I'm saying is we have had 3 3P survivors and we 'know' Yi is 3P, are we supposed to assume survivor too? Why are YOU so interested in my Yi talk all of a sudden? Aren't you supposed to think it's scummy? What more do you need to hear? Well who is Yi? Give some analysis who they are so we can question them and lynch them if we assume they are scum. | ||
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WoS: Can you tell us who would you lynch now and why? This back and forth with Axle is doing no good to anyone atm. It does not help people figure out your alignment. Also answer Axle when he makes the post please. Also also stop hunting for third factions unless you think they are scum, in that case explain why. Stutters: You need to come in and explain yourself to Clarity's questions. Otherwise i will lynch you, because you are distracting everyone right now. Also who is scum? You just drop in with some pieco of information and fuck off immediately after that. I have no idea who do you think is mafia. | ||
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Who have not claimed any night actions of theirs from living players: - WoS - randombum - HiroPro - Mr.Cheesecake - Clarity Is this correct? | ||
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On September 10 2013 00:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so. Who have not claimed any night actions of theirs from living players: - WoS - randombum - HiroPro - Mr.Cheesecake - Clarity Is this correct? So of these people, i think Clarity is town (and apparently breadcrumbed something). HiroPro and CC can you give us somehting about your night actions? | ||
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On September 10 2013 00:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh clarity I was the guy that roleblocked you n1 btw, lol. Sorry about that. Was anyone else roleblocked on N1? | ||
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On September 10 2013 00:59 WaveofShadow wrote: The theory behind not lynching randombum is because Austin's role takes care of it. he either dies supposedly if scum, and if town we get a check 'confirming' him town. Again this all depends on whether people choose to believe Austin---Clarity you are voting for randombum so do you have reason to mistrust him? (For the record I don't know what my own stance on that issue is yet either) So why can't they shoot someone else next nigh? | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:02 WaveofShadow wrote: I still have a big problem here. If all of these claims are true, then we have what, a 5 man scumteam with a shit fuck ton of survivors that can win with either alignment (basically)? This seems pretty unbelievable in relation to what past Aperture games have looked like. It's possible that Mr.Zentor is scum and randombum is scum. Then there are a couple of questionmarks. But we are lynching randombum tonight. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:05 HiroPro wrote: Ceph is my buddy (but Im not his buddy). I haven't been able to act since n1 though. Oh and he's not going to die hahaha. We should probably kill Risen today and just wait for info from checks/austin's thing. Or we could threaten to kill VE unless he takes this circle off me! That's dumb. Why would we kill Risen? Do you think his claim is fake? He will leave the game soon or be confirmed scum or some other anti-town. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:15 austinmcc wrote: I think there's a good shot of him flipping scum. However, everything that happened towards the middle/end of closed casket world is on my mind. Something went really wrong with whatever was going on over there, because (given no townie claim) someone created a second thread, put people in a world WITH NO FLIPS, and then they no-lynched. I like the no-lynch given the lack of discussion/planning over there, but I don't like the lead up to it, the lack of discussion itself and the general MEH attitude towards a lynch. I'm worried that bum was set up as a mislynch and something went wrong. That's why I'd like to shoot randombum, because IF he's town, he won't get shot. If he's town, his vote counts, he'll vote NOT himself, and because the vote isn't unanimous then he'll live. I can't do that with anyone else, because anyone stutters and cakepie targets will get shot, randombum is the exception because he's also in the sleeper cell, so his vote would count if he's town. But randombum looks the worst atm. I am almost certain he is scum. Why would you not want to lynch the scummiest guy in thread over a guy who shot mafia? How does that suggestion make any sense? | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Lynching Cephiro is stupid. Shooting randombum with this cell is good. Lynching Axle might be a good endeavor this round because I have no idea how to read him and he's a wild card. /sigh What the fuck is this? Axle is almost certainly town. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:23 WaveofShadow wrote: I have done basically nothing with my role. It's useless. If it's useless claim plz. There is no reason not to. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Rayn, why is Axle almost certainly town. I am not sure of it any more because of the QT shenanigans. Apparently WoS has tried to talk there and Axle has not? | ||
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Okay so, Axle is saying WoS has been lying in thread about what has been talked about in the QT, correct? WoS did not actually know Axle has even been in the QT, correct? | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah maybe YOU don't kill me but I'm pretty sure somebody will. I don't think it'll be scum either since they really need to kill town atm. So why is it bad for Austin group to confirm you? If there is someone who needs to kill you in order to win they already know it. | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:04 AxleGreaser wrote: I still have access to the QT. We can still use it. All i have effectviely done is what WOS did and claim I am now in a mason with WOS and can see the old log between him and Shiaopi. As well as whatever benefit if any that is to town. I also tested to see if WOS would be truthful about what was in the QT. I have then as accurately as I am able presented what WOS said and what was actually in the QT so as you can make your own judgement. Do you have something more pro town I could have done? No i don't. I am not sure if WoS is scum though. Could you vote for randombum isntead? | ||
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On September 10 2013 00:31 austinmcc wrote: Alright, enough watching. I lead a sleeper cell. I add a person each night, up to 3. Ta da, stutters, cakepie if you guys couldn't guess from his fixation on what I wrote to stutters, and randombum last night. Here's how the cell works. Each of my cell members votes each night on a target. If the voting is UNANIMOUS, my cell shoots that target. If the voting is not unanimous, we twiddle our thumbs. That's why weird lists in the thread, I need to be able to give codewords and then figure out targets later, and I needed you guys to have phrases you could use if you didn't want to shoot my target, because the unanimity is friggin' important. Why? Because, it's not like the sleeper cells in the sleeper cell games. I don't have any control over the KP, don't get to choose someone you send in, I just get to try and get everyone on one page. And here's the twist. If I add a mafia player to the cell, that player does not get a vote. N1 I added stutters. N2 I had him shoot alakaslam and added cakepie. UNLESS anyone else can claim the shot on alakaslam, stutters is 100% town. If he were mafia, my cell would not have shot. And it can't be a stutters/alakaslam mafia team because there was actual host confirmation that alakaslam was shot. On N3, I had stutters and cakepie on different targets. If cakepie were mafia, stutters would have shot randombum last night (stutters as town has a vote, mafia cakepie would NOT and so it would be unanimous to stutters's target, randombum). Cakepie, you can rest a little easier and get off stutters back. Cakepie, I know what you're worried about, but stutters is cleared unless someone claims slam shot. I needed to compartmentalize information so you guys didn't know you were shooting different targets, and I didn't want it known that I'm a half-ass DT because of how the shooting works. I basically get kills OR checks. Stutters, I know you said you're easy to read, but I usually end up calling you mafia in our games and I'm paranoid that you'll roll scum and just lay low. So I added you to the cell as a way of seeing your alignment, and also figured since we've played a couple games you could trust me if you agreed with my targets. Cakepie, you actually got active on D3, but when I added you N2 I didn't really have a feel for you, so added you as a check again. N3 I added randombum. randombum was the person I was talking to stutters about last night, adding little things but never following them, getting suspicion but always hovering outside the lynch. I am fine lynching randombum today, but it's inefficient. Stutters and cakepie, you guys shoot randombum tonight. randombum, if you're town, shoot anyone other than yourself. Ta da! If randombum is mafia, his vote doesn't count, stutters/cakepie are unanimous, and randombum gets shot. I don't actively do anything, so I can't be roleblocked. OO flipped blocker, and I doubt that scum can block BOTH stutters and cakepie from voting, and if either gets a vote in and randombum is mafia, whoosh. If bum doesn't get shot, votes weren't unanimous, and he's town. Got like two more sizeable posts coming off what I've noticed today. Pressure stutters all you want, but unless anyone can claim the shot on alakaslam, he's town. Again, what does happen if we lynch randombum? You have Stutters & cakepie left, right? Why can't you use them as a vigi shot on someone? Let's say they both target me, do i die regardless of my alignment? Why can't you just shoot another scummy target? Who do you propose we lynch them? Because the suggestion of lynching a vigilante who killed mafia is stupid as fuck. | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:32 austinmcc wrote: This is lovely if you're being 100% truthful. It is less than lovely if, you know, you're scum or there is no other pokemon trainer. But right now you're telling me that I shouldn't alignment check someone in a way that will SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE at the same time if they are scum, because that person MIGHT be a role that MIGHT exist. Well you should decide what to do and what not. I am giving you information that i have. If you shoot the other guy, their pokemon dies and i get an ability. It's fine for me because that proves they are scum. But then we need to lynch them. My pokemons are Lapras, Snorlax, Venusaur, Charizard and Blastoise. So if anything other faints, they are the other guy's. You decide if i am telling the truth or not. Can you now see why scum want to lynch me? They need to either win a fuckton of battles or use 6 KP on me. | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote: How do you 'battle?' Also how is that not overpowered as all hell? Once per phase i send in an action with mny current pokemon or swap my pokemon to another. Every action does damage of ??. I guess it depends on what vs what and the action. When a pokemon dies, the player whose pokemon dies needs to select a new one (meaning, when Eggxegutor fainted, my enemy needs to now select another pokemon on this phase). This phase is actionless, and the next actions take place in N5. | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:45 Stutters695 wrote: Rayn the thread won't get any notification if you are shot and survive right? If i get shot one of my pokemons die. Same (i would assume) with the other guy. | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:52 Stutters695 wrote: Alright and are you notified if you kill one of his outside of seeing it faint in thread or would you not know until you battled the next pokemon? I know the actions that take place every PC and the results. Therefore i know if i am shot or if the other guy attacked and killed my pokemon in action. | ||
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The CCM was a fucking disaster. I wanted you guys to lynch randombum there, and i am not really sure why the wagon faded away. Looked like noone gave shit about anything there, and i was shouting you to lynch. What do you think happened? | ||
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That is entirely false. In a no-flip world it is much more likely that scum do not buss. Voting patterns tell INCREDIBLY much when one of the other guys who were in that world flips. If they are scum, it tells so much, what was their reasoning for voting? Were they bussing (most likely not, because of no-flip)? Did they vote for the lynched guy (if yes, then they were probably green)? etc etc. It was just like, "we get no info, shut up all and no-lynch". That was so friggin' anti-town. | ||
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On September 10 2013 04:03 HiroPro wrote: I never said anything like that. Point to a single post in that world where I said we should no lynch because we don't get a flip. Yeah you are right, it was someone else who said something along the lines. I can't fucking find it. Probably Mr.CC as i did talk with you guys near the lynch. | ||
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On September 10 2013 04:31 Risen wrote: Rayn why are you defending Hiro so hard right now? We have Hiro who is scummy, this is agreed on by everyone Rayn who had a conceivable mistake in his green claim on me, but hasn't done anything all game and is defending Hiro and Randombum who also hasn't done anything all game what are you talking about, i have been wanting to lynch randombum two day phases in a row? I am not against Hiro lynch. | ||
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On September 10 2013 04:41 Stutters695 wrote: Rayn how bad would it be for you to not try to KO the other trainer's pokemon today? Why would i not do it? I can't do that today either way, they have to pick a new one and only during night actions happen. | ||
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On September 10 2013 05:24 Cephiro wrote: Also you are not going to lynch HiroPro unless you want to mess with my plan on purpose. Which is not a very pro-town thing to do. Now how does this mess with your plan? | ||
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On September 10 2013 05:29 Cephiro wrote: I should tell you because? I don't understand why you are constantly trying to get everyone to claim their roles and reveal what they do. It's like you want every single piece of information to be all in the open (at least those of your choice), which I can't understand why someone would do that as town. It's not making you look good in my eyes at all. Because pretty much everyone has claimed their roles already. You are saying we should not lynch one of the main candidates because of "Cephiro's plan is ruined", you don't want to tell the plan, you are not giving us nothing. That is pro-town right? | ||
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On September 10 2013 05:35 Cephiro wrote: I see that me, clarity, random, hiro, felkyr and axlegreaser have not claimed roles. That's more than a third of the remaining players. I'm not telling you the plan because I don't want scum messing with it. I fail to see how that is pro-town? Obviously my actions so far have been quite pro-town, no? I've given town all I've could so far, and I'm trying to give more, yet you want that not to happen? I don't see why Hiro is one of the main candidates anyway. I want to lynch randombum over Hiro. Why don't you ask the other people who want to lynch him? Who the fuck do you want to lynch then? | ||
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On September 10 2013 05:42 austinmcc wrote: As far as I can tell, the ONLY reason is that MAYBE he is a pokeman master, based on absolutely nothing. No, the reason is that he is scum. | ||
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On September 10 2013 06:01 Risen wrote: See this? Guy says he's down for Hiro lynch, no mention of Hiro as an alternative. Dude has been defending Hiro so hard. WHT THE FUCK DO YOU TAKE EVERY SINGLE POST OF MINE OUT OF THE CONTEXT*?*??? | ||
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On September 10 2013 06:26 Clarity_nl wrote: You are out of your mind if you think cephiro hiro mrz scumteam. What would you suggest if randombum turns up town? | ||
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Cephiro and Hiro are not both scum. I don't believe it. I am just gonna vote for Axle and see what happens during the night. ##Vote: Axlegrieser | ||
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On September 10 2013 07:01 Cephiro wrote: That does not relate at all to your question. Why are you speaking such bullshit? Your question had nothing to with my plan, nor did it have anything to do with you thinking Hiro is scum. Your question: How it relates to your reply above: NOT AT ALL Stop the useless crap. Yes it does. But anyways, this is not taking us anywhere useful so nvm. | ||
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On September 10 2013 07:05 Cephiro wrote: If you want to lynch Hiro, you might as well be stupid enough and go and lynch me right away. Who thinks that if things go as I planned and assumed and Zentor flips scum, my plan was incredibly fucking awesome and pro-town? If you want to ruin the follow-up, sure, go and vote for Hiro and help the scum. I might as well shoot myself if you're that hopeless then. -_- The amount of frustration and facepalms being had is incredibly high. Your only reason for seeing Hiro as town is "because i say so". If you are so sure he is town quote the posts of his where he seems town to you. His alignment has nothing to do with your plan and his willingness to follow it. It has nothing to do with Zentor's alignment. All you got it "because of some good posts of his". Show me the posts. | ||
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On September 10 2013 07:10 Cephiro wrote: 1) HiroPro lynch would give a random person (potentially scum) the item he would gain from killing Zentor. This would be bad. Very bad. 2) Axlegreaser lynch will give us a lot of information. Even in the worst-case scenario that he flips town, we can make a lot out of the connections he's had with other players, and the players who have defended/accused him. 3) I'll solidate on a claimed 3P lynch if nothing else, since killing a 3P (especially survivors who could very well be playing for mafia), is not anti-town in my eyes. A non pro-town 3P is equal to scum. 1) So if he is scum he get's it. Then what? Can we roleblock him? Is it so bad if scum gets it we lose? Is it so bad we lose if Zentor and Axle flip town? 2) You don't lynch for information, you lynch to kill scum. 3) Kill scum, then worry about 3p's. Who are those 3p's whose claims are fishy? I think all seem legit. | ||
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Just because he writes 100 lines of text and i don't he is town and i am scum? Why the fuck you need to do that. geript played his role awfully and anti-town. That's it, he was lynched because of it, i thought he was scum because of it. OO looked better to me than debears. I gave my reasoning why i did vote debears over OO. If i am scum for it for you so fucking be it. I have voted for who i think were the best lynches. On D3 you were having some stupid tea party in your fancy no-flip land and didn't even try to find scum. I don't even give a fuck, because you make zero sense. | ||
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On September 10 2013 07:37 HiroPro wrote: I've been perhaps the single biggest voice telling you to lynch obviousone this game... You are right, i misread one of your posts. But the truth is your vote has never been useful in lynches. You did never ever in any day take a clear stance on who to lynch. The only time you have done so was when you saved mafia!Alakaslam from getting lynched and lynched town!Hassybaby. All other votes of yours have been on candidates that have never been even close to getting lynched. Everyone look at the fucking voting thread if you don't believe me. | ||
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On September 10 2013 08:02 Cephiro wrote: Dem townie wagons. You are really bad at analyzing voting patterns if you are saying i look worse from D2 lynch than Hiro. Also D3 tells shit because you were having a tea party and didn't really need to take a responsibility (by voting) from the lynch. | ||
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On September 10 2013 08:07 Cephiro wrote: From a neutral point of view, D2 you both look just as bad. D3 you look bad, Hiro as nothing since we did a nolynch. What I'm saying is, I find it funny that you're blaming Hiro for his D2 vote when yours is just as horrible. Okay, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. | ||
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##Vote: Axlegreaser Fuck it, fuck it! Fuck you Cephiro if Hiro is scum. | ||
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On September 10 2013 08:28 Cephiro wrote: Haha, I'll give that. If Hiro really is scum, then they've royally assfucked me hard. But I'd say even then I've been doing decently. I am willing to be the scapegoat for town if we lose. Someone must stand responsible. Let's make this happen! I would have hoped you would have waited one night so i could have told you Oats' alignment before shooting him. How useless i ever am i know what he is at last on D3. | ||
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On September 10 2013 08:33 Cephiro wrote: Well, that night my other options for target were you and Vayne... if you're town, then that wouldn't have been much better. But hey, at least I got Coag, and hopefully in 30 mins we'll see a scum Zentor flip. 2 scum kills is quite good imo. I would not have flipped and i could have saved town!Oats. :/ | ||
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On September 10 2013 08:35 Cephiro wrote: I'll keep in mind in a future game we play together with you, me & Oats that you have this "certain read" on him at D3. I told that on N2. Look at any game ever, i am not wrong on him after N2. | ||
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On September 10 2013 08:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Regardless, I guess this is the lynch for today. CEPHIRO. Let us join hands and rejoice! ?? | ||
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Why the fuck did i even stay awake.. | ||
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wp Clarity, austin and CC. | ||
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On September 11 2013 18:42 Clarity_nl wrote: survivors are only anti town if town is teh suck. In fact I'd wager that survivors tend to play for town for way too long, and only switch to playing for scum when they've practically already won. Not really, they don't give a shit about anything and you can't really risk lynching them in a game where ~6 people die / night. I count geript as 2x scum because he was so fucking awful and scum MVP. | ||
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Besides Koshi and Vayne he looked the most town to me. | ||
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I think i did the best i could to prove my towniness with the limited time i had available for D1-D2, but townies WIFOMed me as possible scum, which made no sense to me rofl. | ||
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On September 11 2013 23:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, what scum softclaims their role for like two cycles straight. Anyone who read what i wrote should have seen that it's the most possibly pro-town thing i can do with my role. I was definitely not lying because of Pikachu. Cool thing that could have happened was if randombum indeed took my offer of no fighting and claimed instead. rofl, you'd have a scum as confirmed town. :D (tbh i thought of that possibility, but i found it unlike - it would have been hilarious anyways ^_^) Also i did not know i would not die to lynches. It was not clear to me, should probably read my role-PM better, i assumed "when you die" != "when you get lynched". | ||
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I think your analyses is wrong (while it's right - but how am i supposed to know it?). | ||
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OO votes for debears. debears goes "#YOLO! ITS ME AND YOU NOW". It does not matter how good/bad the reasons are for OO voting for him. What made me think debears is scum was because "i can't defend myself so i #yolo and try then". That's bad imo. | ||
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On September 12 2013 03:27 Dandel Ion wrote: Clarity wasn't obv town at all. Yet nobody could tell why he is scum. Why? | ||
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On September 12 2013 03:44 Clarity_nl wrote: Dandel could, although he couldnt explain it to me It's the same thing that happened in GoT with me. It doesn't mean shit if obs QT (or even living players) or whatever knows you are scum, if they can't lynch you. You did what you had to, you won, nobody lynched you. ggyo! :D | ||
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