Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2

On August 09 2013 02:31 mkfuba07 wrote:

Haha, I fully expect this game to drive me completely insane. The possibilities appear to be literally endless, and my favorite scumhunting method involves narrowing down possibilities XD

On August 09 2013 02:47 mkfuba07 wrote:

I hope not, you're a tough person to basically 1v1 against (and now that I've said that, we'll get customized roles XD). Always fun to play with though.

Edit: Hmmm, I only remember roulette, but 100% winrate when we're same faction sounds right.

On August 17 2013 00:53 Mocsta wrote:
cakepie was with me ewhen I popped my Mafia cherry


highly analytical player

On August 24 2013 06:06 FiveTouch wrote:
/out

On August 30 2013 09:45 Alakaslam wrote:

Scuse me.



I salute thee but pleez.
Superfish to the alakaslizm ChickenMcFish squared. Howza I gotz reads this quik? Excuse me it is not 1996. NesQuik?

Hey so mebbe geript wansto keel me for my itemz uh? How you know if I gotz these uh?

And I think there ist a vote thread

On August 30 2013 09:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh shit Wave hur.

Wave vote geript cause he scum.

On August 30 2013 10:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


How does one troll incorrectly? Is he usually a troll, but somehow it is different this game?

I have never seen such an anomaly before, and it behooves me to lynch the crap out of it.

On August 30 2013 10:15 Alakaslam wrote:

Excuse me.

This is sensitive for this one too.

In ultimate hypocrisy; Attack Cora this game I be pissy at you. If this were the case his vote belongs on me, K?

But hijole, why Oats sir. Hast saith nothing and ist good town @ times

On August 30 2013 10:15 Blazinghand wrote:


i feel a great burden ahead of me

On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote:
@WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please.

On August 30 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:


Cora as a jester role? I guess this is similar to how jester-cora would play (make enemies and so on). This seems like a pretty normal setup though so I doubt there will be anything 3p or jester-like.

On August 30 2013 10:40 Blazinghand wrote:


I think I probably know cora better than you do. honestly the reason I'm antagonizing him is because 1) it's super hilarious to do so, and 2) his response to my antagonism will be telling of his alignment (even after he reads this). Since I didn't make a read on him based on his initial anger, I figured escalating was the best way to determine just how deep the butthurtitude goes. Cora's response to this will be alignment-indicative. He's not good enough to prevent it from being alignment-indicative, even after reading this paragraph.

On August 30 2013 15:39 Risen wrote:


That's a little harsh considering the game has very recently started. Seems to me like you're trying to find something to appear active. You should try and tone it back a little, just makes you look like you're puffing up your post count.

On August 30 2013 15:48 geript wrote:

You haven't played here lately :/

On August 30 2013 15:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
well if anyone cares, I would shoot cephiro. Don't like his posting so far. attacking really stupid posts like geript asking for bullets and some guy asking if he can decide the lynch. and the geript lynch just seems predetermined and contrived as opposed to anything that he actually put thought into

On August 30 2013 16:02 VayneAuthority wrote:


idk what that means, pretty useless question if you read it to yourself

On August 30 2013 21:28 Koshi wrote:

I never said I wanted to lynch you.

On August 30 2013 17:12 Koshi wrote:
I agree with WoS but I'll give the Europeans 2 more hours to wake up. Rules need to change that you have to post at least 10 times a day or you are banned forever on TL!!!
The rules say at least 2-3 hours but in every big game there are townies that don't get there. Sucks this time cuz I am town D:

Why did rayn only post once? And a silly joke. Strange?

On August 30 2013 21:32 Koshi wrote:

I agree with you on " FUCK DEM LURKERS"

On August 30 2013 21:30 yamato77 wrote:
WoS tell me what to read

On August 30 2013 21:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
I agree that lurkers suck, but spending two posts explaining how lurkers suck when it's like ~ 7 hours into the game is useless, even though it might appear useful. Wait, isn't that like one of those scum-aligned objectives or something?

I don't mind his policy vote though, although I'm gonna wait to see what dandel does when he comes back.

WoS, if Dandel wasn't in this game, is there anyone that you think deserving of your vote? And why.

On August 30 2013 22:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
kita doesn't want to find scum, he wants to lynch me

he scurred
so scurred

On August 30 2013 22:02 yamato77 wrote:
WoS you are kinda playing weird.

On August 30 2013 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Uhm
I can understand wanting to lynch geript based on absolutely nothing

in fact, that was my second plan for re-entering the thread, but I went with this one.

So
I guess that means it's null to me

On August 30 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
wait what's playing like shit got to do with anything?

On August 30 2013 22:08 Dandel Ion wrote:

no, he's just annoying

not particularily hard to catch.

On August 30 2013 22:14 Dandel Ion wrote:

I could tell he was scum in The Game real easy, and I was just skimming like half the thread (i wasn't in that game)
he didn't get generally caught IIRC and survived? not sure, too long ago and again i didnt follow too closely.

and then one game BH modconfirmed him so that doesn't count.

On August 30 2013 22:18 yamato77 wrote:

You don't seem too focused on finding mafia, in your filter. A lot of it is random conjecture and complaints about the way the game is going.

Compare this to your play last game where you come out of the barrel both guns blazing, and yeah, you are playing weird.

On August 30 2013 22:21 yamato77 wrote:

It's an attitude shift, though. He suggested that because he was playing SPRSRS, but this game he's all loose and stuff. I remember scum-WoS being like this in voice.

On August 30 2013 22:27 kitaman27 wrote:
PSA: Asking people if they are scum is not very productive. Only in extremely rare cases will they reply "yes". Stating "I think you are scum" or "that action of yours is scummy" is a better response.



Wave, did you simply not consider that I might be mafia with this post?

On August 30 2013 22:29 Dandel Ion wrote:

LOL

On August 30 2013 22:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
uh no clarity, kita voted for Dandel cause he thought dandel was trying that trolling scum shit. How is dandel not the easiest target in the thread?

On August 30 2013 22:34 kitaman27 wrote:


I find Koshi's attempt to use his role to benefit other roles incredibly pro-town. What exactly were you trying to help by making this vote? Did you have a mafia read on him? Do you disagree with my assessment?

On August 30 2013 22:34 Oatsmaster wrote:

dandel hasnt done jack shit. And his scum meta is trolling the shit out of the thread. How is he not the easiest target.
You're scum for not doing shit

On August 30 2013 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dandel town.

Lol........

Hi WoS, do you want to defend yourself?

On August 30 2013 23:05 kitaman27 wrote:
Stating that he has not read his role PM is playing against your win condition as either faction. I'm willing to give Dandel the benefit of the doubt that he is not trying to ruin the game, so that means he is likely lying.

On August 31 2013 00:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
skimmed all over this thread, lets go kill WoS? only one who stuck out for me in this initial read

##Vote: WaveofShadow

On August 31 2013 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote:

He says this as if any fucks were given up to this point. LMAO

Still reading :d

On August 31 2013 04:50 kitaman27 wrote:


If my policy lynch does something that I deem scummy why does that make it invalid? 1 + 1 = 2, unless acting scummy invalidates policy lynches or policy lynches make it impossible to be scum. You policy lynch to punish anti-town behavior. I'm thinking about moving to WoS at the moment. As for the post on BH, I was simply stating an observation. I don't consider him a lynch target since that post.

Considering vayne decided to claim "if I die, bad things happen to scum", third party makes sense. I'd even be more willing to help his cause if he came clean.

Now that we know that Black Mesa possibly isn't a mafia faction, we may be able to take a look at the earlier discussion to look for additional knowledge. I'll do so when I get home if I remember.

On August 31 2013 05:01 kitaman27 wrote:
No time for research/developing a case at the moment.

I'll also probably look at OO as well.

On August 31 2013 05:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well BM members claiming is a good idea imo because it will force non-town members into the public discussion.

I am not in Black Mesa.

On August 31 2013 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Interesting mechanic. I'm almost upset at Onegu for outting it so early XD Big plays possible with something like that for both town AND scum.

On August 31 2013 05:38 kitaman27 wrote:
That guy who calls himself "DefinitelyNotWaveofShadow" is pretty suspicious.

On August 31 2013 05:39 Dandel Ion wrote:

kitaman the mad sk that has to kill his mason partners for example?

On August 31 2013 06:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think we should try to lynch the unlynchable, worst case we nolynch which might have happened anyway in such a big game.

On August 31 2013 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:


Cora was almost certainly town. I will say this, to his credit: He responded in a fashion which I had not predicted. Not bad given how meta I went on him. Re: dandel's suggestion-- nothing really to make of it. He could easily be a different alignment, and in fact, that sounds like the exact sort of thing GreyMist would do. His first few posts were bad but he's picked up steam which seems pretty normal for a day 1, especially a day 1 in a hyoooj themed game like this. I don't think he's particularly worth my attention going forwards



I think people are forgetting that what I said re: Cora was almost certainly a soft defense. I wasn't attacking him! I was pointing out that his actions weren't inherently scummy because he was, erm, "butthurt" about certain players. I was giving the dude an out. I was expecting him to either get really mad, thereby demonstrating his serious madditude, or to say to me "oh shiii dude you're right i was hecka mad"

In any case you guys might interpret this as mean old Blazinghand being scum and trolling someone literally out of the game, but everything I said about cora was also literally correct. Contrast how I interacted with TPS that one time when I was Wade Fell. Not saying that I couldn't change my shit up, as I am a master of trickery, but my stuff on cora? SPOT ON.



Have you played with Felkyr before? because if you had you'd be 100% ok with this post

On August 31 2013 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wave I'm like super stoked you're here. There's been a whole lot of talk about geript lately, and I'm interested on your thoughts on the matter. Earlier you called something he said (I think it was the claim itself) a scumslip. Do you now think it's not a scumslip?

I guess what I'm sayin is...can I count on your support in the lynch to come? Will you be the wind on which the wings of my scum lynch will take flight?

On August 31 2013 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's not very reassuring - but I guess it's better than you like...nonsensically defending him like BH and SnB have been doing.

Thanks Wave! <3

On August 31 2013 10:20 geript wrote:
Patience padawn, patience.

On August 31 2013 10:23 Blazinghand wrote:
In any case you can think that I masterminded some plot to get cora to go full on babby tier cryface and bail from this game but what purpose could that possibly serve as any alignment? It sure made me look bad, and since he's been replaced we have no idea if DI's role is the same as his role. Even if I was scum and trying to make cora quit, HE GOT REPLACED ANYWAYS. It's not like I've eliminated a townie. In fact, given that Cora was replaced by dandel ion, who is infinitely more competent and somewhat more level-headed, I'd say it was a net improvement.

In fact, you should be THANKING me from defending cora so hard he ragequitted the game and all of TL Mafia, cause now we have DI instead.

On August 31 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well honestly he's usually got a bit more to go on than he has this game - not sure whether to attribute it to scummy indifference or townie ambivalence. He's got a couple of nuggz though that make me think town. For instance, calling SnB's case on me bad. Superficially that's pretty null - someone calling an apple an apple can come from either alignment. However look at the context - SnB had just gotten through writing a case on me. I know I'm town, but presumably Oats would have us believe that he doesn't. Yet he jumps to my defense. So why would a scum Oats jump to the defense of a townVE?

However his lack of activity in general is cause for concern. Ultimately I'm pretty null on Oats.

I'm interested in why you think I can read the guy though - I'm notoriously bad about reading Oats if truth be told - to the point where I've considered raising him as a policy lynch D1.

On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:

OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies.

On August 31 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:


I'm not saying this is a reason I'm town-- I definitely didn't think cora was going to think I was bullying him and gonna ragequit. But if you think I thought cora was going to think I was bullying him, it logically follows that I'm town. That being said, I DEFINITELY did NOT think cora was going to think I was bullying him.

On August 31 2013 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote:

To be honest man, Oats SHOULD make his alignment clear. If he doesn't, then he does anyway because he's scum. It basically follows a pattern like this: Oats looks scummy, but eventually starts saying things only townies say or thinking of things the way only townies do. Time is the best medicine for this one I think. Talk to me about HiroPro - does he truly walk the Righteous Path of the Brown? Or is he just some scummy faker faking fake stuff like a faker?

On August 31 2013 10:36 Blazinghand wrote:
But LOOK the point is this

If I was scum and cora was town, AND I really knew and couple manipulate cora that well... why would I make him RQ and have him replaced with DI? If I really know cora that well and can predict his irrational actions with mechanical precision, why wouldn't I just keep him in the game, dancing along my finely tuned puppet strings?

If you think I'm scum, you MUST admit I didn't know cora was gonna RQ

On August 31 2013 10:38 randombum wrote:
I don't know if you deserve credit for getting cora replaced by dandel (whom I'm not sure is as good of a player as you seem to think since dandel failed to make us gods amongst mafia players in our last game together). Like you said you didn't expect that as the outcome. So what could have happened was he gets super angry, but not quit, and the two of you argue in thread dis-railing everything which one could easily see as a scum thing to do.

I personally want to believe you weren't trying to get him to quit, because winning by being so unfun to play with that others quit is no good.

On August 31 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

Oh shit randombum puls out the Dick Move Analysis™!
Marv where you at, bro?

On August 31 2013 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:
>implying I didn't win The Game

On August 31 2013 10:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ah that's right, you've missed out on the majority of games with Chezinu. Shame, that.

I guess my question is this then: what do you think of him THIS game? Subtract his roleplay stuff for the moment - do you think he's playing for or against town?

On August 31 2013 10:54 VayneAuthority wrote:


I don't know what you are saying most of the time but

I am not being subtle about it all, I am saying geript is a good lynch. Scum wouldn't want to take a stance on it, but make sure it happens. They can't go back and edit their posts now so I have no problem saying it.

WoS brings up a good point about him playing so blatantly cocky, that there is a possibility he WANTS to be lynched for whatever reason

On August 31 2013 11:19 debears wrote:
I'm gonna guess most people have a town read on clarity and wave of shadow. Possibly BH too. Just based on filter size

VE Koshi and Slam doing decently as well

On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote:
I think geript has no idea what he's doing (yes I'm well aware that he's played a number of games). He's seen other people do nothing, antagonize other players in the games, yet not be lynched and thinks that he can do the same. The post where he claims "unlynchable" strikes me in the same vein - it's a joke post just designed to annoy. I don't see anything about his play that suggests specifically that he's mafia other than that he hasn't attempted to scumhunt in any manner (which can honestly be said about half the thread).

Furthermore, BH's play right now is striking me as very opportunistic:
This post in particular appears very suspicious. There's no evidence to indicate that BH had any prior suspicion of geript and he doesn't even attempt to offer any sort of reason for lynching geript. Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment).

Why is BH's first response to simply just throw down a vote? Why is he so quick to abandon a case on Cephiro that has some sort of reasoning to just blindly go "he said to vote him, LET'S DO IT!"

Think about what I said earlier about BH's play (if you haven't read my earlier post on him, go back and do it, think about what I'm saying, read between the lines, and don't just go "oh he's roleplaying, guess I should ignore him").

Be Strong. Be Brown. Vote BH.

On August 31 2013 08:04 HiroPro wrote:

Because neither of you have actually voted for geript, haven't completely abandoned your big case on someone else, and haven't struck me as suspicious before this? Come on clarity, think -_-

On August 31 2013 08:21 HiroPro wrote:

What's your point clarity? Do you or do you not see the difference between the play of yourself/WoS and BH?

If you're trying to say something along the lines of "hiro, why are you being inconsistent about the reactions?", specifics clarity: the actions that the two of you took and the behavior leading up to this are different. You may not think it matters, but I do.

On August 31 2013 11:25 Onegu wrote:
Ok BM QT names

I was first to post
Edward Nigma only a hello post
Kobe Bryant
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Master Yi he claimed 3p

On August 31 2013 11:39 Onegu wrote:
I just woke up and have to finish kid stuff then I will catch up on the thread and post my reads not just BM things.

On August 31 2013 11:47 kitaman27 wrote:
:o

Congrats on 10k VE!

On August 31 2013 11:42 geript wrote:
@Wave... I think you have Hiro wrong just fyi.

On August 31 2013 12:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Hihi Wave, remember that time we Hydra'd together, wasn't that fun? Anywho -- if ShaioPi wasn't your current vote, who would it land on? You say that "You're not that sure" on HiroPro essentially, so where does your vote land atm?

On September 01 2013 06:40 geript wrote:

So let me get this right, you know about the unlynchable claim but haven't read the thread... Bullshit

On September 01 2013 06:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Geript do you basically decide who is lynched? Votes dont matter?

On September 01 2013 06:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Wave I didn't even know you asked me questions. Ill try to phone filter dive

On September 01 2013 06:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


I thought I was your luv muffin....

On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote:
Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today.

On September 01 2013 06:43 WaveofShadow wrote:

So....do you agree with me that Shiao is scum?

On August 31 2013 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote:

Thank you Onegu.
As a self-proclaimed resident LoL expert, out of the current player list, Master Yi has to be one of:
Oats
Dandel
Kita
Vayne (unlikely)
Fuba
Yamato
VE

Before one of the above players remarks that the name could have been chosen to make people like me think it's one of the above players, I say that Master Yi did not assume that the BM QT names and whatnot would be leaked.

On September 01 2013 07:01 Clarity_nl wrote:


Why does this matter?
You're not getting lynched, time to finally catch up to the game instead of "skimming" it and give us some reads.

On September 01 2013 07:02 AxleGreaser wrote:



I am not understanding either this or the EBWOP.

TBMK.

Cephiro: is currently voting for Geript.

Thats where i want Cephiros vote:

Id like some other townies to consiolidate onto geript

so that BH Clarity and VE can safely vote swap to me. (remember vote stealers)

I dont want or need any other votes on me.

On September 01 2013 07:04 ShiaoPi wrote:
my reads in a large game on day 1 are like 99% useless anyway, because I suck at reading too many players.
Since geript also says that votes today dont matter I am more or less content with just waiting for the nightpost to see what in the actual fuck will happen.

On September 01 2013 07:06 geript wrote:

By a large majority of the votes not mattering my point was that most of the votes throughout the day are non-alignment indicative. Not worth paying any attention to.

As for Shaio, I'd add him to my would shoot list but I really need to go back and reread the thread. CBA right now bout to go play more SC2

On September 01 2013 07:09 geript wrote:
Which ability?

On September 01 2013 07:10 austinmcc wrote:
##vote: geript

Although on the off chance you're not trying to be sneakypants here, I'd like to remind you that saying I WON'T BE LYNCHED AND IF YOU LYNCH ME I'MA KILL BH should actually be leading you to be townie on BH right now and NOT shoot him. So, if you weren't being sneakypants, you've telegraphed a target and are still getting lynched/are picking up a buncha votes. Leading me to believe that BH isn't a good alternate target, just based on that.


I'd rather you pop kita, ShiaoPi, or VA.

On September 01 2013 07:14 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Clarity:
I have some suspicion on WoS mainly due to the way he entered the thread at the beginning, dont have much in regards of scumreads though. more on the townleaning side which is not helping us right now

On September 01 2013 07:17 ShiaoPi wrote:
You say that, I dont think so <3

But see, thats the reason I dislike giving reads on day 1 in large games they are literally worthless.

On September 01 2013 07:21 ShiaoPi wrote:
I offer nothing to back it up since it is a gutread with little to no evidence. Which (Surprise) is worthless. But sorry to say that is how I work in large games until I am able to get an overview once flips happen. If you dislike it that much go ahead and keep calling me scum, I dont give a fuck.

On September 01 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote:


Is there any reason you want your vote parked somewhere like Shiaopi?

On August 31 2013 04:28 WaveofShadow wrote:

This makes me feel like I picked the right lurker.
Also HAI GUISE I BACK

Things that made me go WTF while I was catching up:
Vayne's roleclaim
Onegu's roleclaim
Alakaslam

That is all.

On September 01 2013 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

lol.
Scum trying to stick with what he originally said because it's harder for scum to just switch reads like that.
He professed to have read the thread but if you had read it you'd know that I am unquestionably town atm.

On September 01 2013 07:33 austinmcc wrote:
Personal read on kita is that he plays solid, isn't afraid to mercilessly hound people. He was all over my ass in that PTP game, even as a mafia-aligned 3P. CT mafia memory is fuzzy but I think I remember him being on people there. In...another PTP game he was scum with gonzaw and marvellosity, and during N1 I read his filter and realized he basically played townie early on, then went blank, just coasting on his early posts.

That's how he's played today. Start with some reads/comments, move heavy into the speculation game. Once you pass the initial "real stuff" gate in his filter, I see a lot of Black Mesa speculation, and not much else beyond the one big reads post. That post DOES read like someone doing work, but then he asks for opinions on any of the other individuals, doesn't really get them, his BIG WORK post gets buried, and he's got no issues with that. If he just posted a buncha scum reads and wanted comment, he'd be trying to drum up comment, trying not to have his reads buried, imo. He can be very forceful and can take over a thread, instead he's happy with all the geript jazz going on.

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ShiaoPi entered with a vote on WoS for reasons that weren't given, and I always always hate those votes. Actually, I don't want ShiaoPi killed yet. Hold off on that, he needs to be a lynch option on a later day and not a shot.

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VA starts the day scumhunting. Great. Wonderful. A+. VA then, under what I consider not nearly enough scrutiny, claims a role that is SUPER anti-getting-nightkilled, and I presume that while town has KP, scum has more night KP.

(1) I don't like the timing on his claim. That role is HUGE if you're town and think you have great reads (which is what he's been spamming before). It's ASS if you reveal it.
(2) His post-claim behavior is to continue poking at his reads (townie) into ... nothing. If his claim is truthful, then scum really don't want to have to nightkill him, they want to leave him alive and in thread (assuming his reads are decent/it's not endgame). His play after his claim plays right into that - don't continue pressure, don't build reads, don't force discussion, just claim early and shut down, more or less. I think that if his claim were truthful, his post-claim conduct would be the opposite.

Dislike the claim + think his play doesn't support the claim. Despite actually giving some scumreads and pushing earlier in the day, he then shuts down, even as Felkyr picks up some votes today. Either he's scum or he's trying to pull something by fakeclaiming imo, and last time he did that it helped get me killed. Boo.

On September 01 2013 07:58 Blazinghand wrote:


I'm not getting lynched today.

On September 01 2013 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:


vote... count?

On September 01 2013 08:06 Blazinghand wrote:


If you really are a vigi, and you think shooting me is the best thing to do given your read on me, read Les Mis mafia, the game people are referencing regarding my ability to perform under pressure as town, and take a look at my D1 activity.

On September 01 2013 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I think they'll lie though. They won't say "it's because I'm scum and I don't want the plan to succeed" they'll say something else

On September 01 2013 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:


I'm sorry

What I mean to say is, I can't imagine a reason NOT to go along with AG's plan. It seems like he's aware of the risks and has chosen wisely. Geript is getting lynched anyways. His power won't help the people voting him, it seems to be that he gets information about those people. If you think I'm scum, you shoudl be EAGER for me to follow AG's plan, right?

On September 01 2013 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:


Okay, so it's certainly possible, from your perspective, that I'm scum and I think I can stop AG's plan from working, but AG, the guy who knows more about his role than anyone else, who doesn't speculate but KNOWS what's going to happen, seems to be fine with it. He seems to WANT scum voting him. Maybe it's a vigi explosion shot and he's bluffing that it's not. Maybe it's cop checks. Maybe-- who knows? The point is, AG can judge better than us what to do, and he wants me to vote him, even knowing that I'm not playing the towniest game I ever had.

And you have to admit, there's also the possibility (even if you think it's a slim one) that this is exactly what it looks like: I am town and I am following the plan laid to me by someone who claims to have a power.

On September 01 2013 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not saying you have to think I'm not scum-- I'm just saying, don't oppose AG's plan because you think I'm scum. Instead, explain to him whatever risks you think you percieve that he does not. Don't just say "I don't want the plan to happen" because you can't really stop me from following the plan. You can stop AG from using his power, but you have to explain why you, with your somewhat more limited knowledge of his role than what he has, think it's risky. Then, he'll take that info you've given it and combine it with his private knowledge of what his role does and comes to a decision. If that decision is different than what you'd expect, he probably just knows more about how his role works than the rest of us do, and we have to respect that decision.

On September 01 2013 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:
If AG's claim is fake, it's fake-- but the end result for the day will be the same: Geript is lynched. He's at 20 votes right now, and I'll be standing by right up until the deadline in case people start to swap off of him. If necessary, I will abort the AG plan and vote for Geript, but ONLY if it looks like the lynch won't happen unless I do so.

On September 01 2013 08:40 VayneAuthority wrote:


holy shit, hold up here as I'm reading.

austin just blatantly lied in this entire post since he figured no one would actually go back and read Nuclear mafia.

1. Never fakeclaimed in that game, I said I was VT very early on

2. care to explain the rest of this post?

This guy is either not town or a retard again, just like in nuclear.

On September 01 2013 08:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

I don't think he's talking about you here.

On September 01 2013 08:40 Blazinghand wrote:



I'd say Hiropro and shiaopi

On September 01 2013 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote:

about who is he talking then, hotshot?

On September 01 2013 08:43 Blazinghand wrote:


yeah i basically have a scumread on hiropro because someone (possibly you, maybe someone else) pointed out how scummy he was. Shiaopi looks super scummy though and as I have said, if we have 16 people on hand I'd be glad to shenannie over to him and lynch him instead.

On September 01 2013 08:59 geript wrote:
Also, nobody give shit to Ceph.

On September 01 2013 08:59 Blazinghand wrote:
everything I did I did for my people!

On September 01 2013 09:00 Blazinghand wrote:
READ THEM IF I FLI{P

On September 01 2013 09:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
this role looks a lot more like governor to me, and that's a town role. You just overturn the lynch to your choosing if you are being lynched.

On September 01 2013 09:28 AxleGreaser wrote:


My problem is that does not look like a very good vig shot.

Geript please explain a towny why you used your virtual vig shot on BH,
and not on any of the other appropriate Vig targets?

On August 31 2013 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote:

Thank you Onegu.
As a self-proclaimed resident LoL expert, out of the current player list, Master Yi has to be one of:
Oats
Dandel
Kita
Vayne (unlikely)
Fuba
Yamato
VE

Before one of the above players remarks that the name could have been chosen to make people like me think it's one of the above players, I say that Master Yi did not assume that the BM QT names and whatnot would be leaked.

On September 01 2013 09:30 Clarity_nl wrote:


Because he's been tunneling bh all game.

Axle can we try your thing again tomorrow or no?

On September 01 2013 09:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
best narrow down that list if you actually want to make it useful. I can't see anyone using that name on that list except like dandel. super srs list right there

On September 01 2013 09:34 VayneAuthority wrote:


those are the only people that play LoL in this game that you know of. I don't see any solid connection there besides dandel. unless you know anyone that loves master yi

On September 01 2013 09:41 Hassybaby wrote:


Because it could be his role PM and grey told him to use it?

On September 01 2013 09:44 Hassybaby wrote:


Oh, I went back and re-read it. For some reason in my head, it made it sound like Onegu just fucked up and accidentally posted in the QT with his real name as opposed to a cover name he was given.

On September 01 2013 09:48 Koshi wrote:
Clarity
IIRC it was you or HiroPro that wanted my item? You ok with giving it to HiroPro first?

On September 01 2013 09:50 Koshi wrote:

Ahyeah. D:
Seems like out of 3 people that want it only Clarity is not under suspicion.

On September 01 2013 09:58 Koshi wrote:

Dnu, I got no real reads tbh.
But I would kill Onegu. Revealing the entire BM mason is strange, he could have scumhunted there or at least done something better than get silly towncred for revealing basically nothing.

On September 01 2013 11:23 Stutters695 wrote:

Just to clarify this real quick while I catch up again if you're town and BM you weren't given a pseudonym. Obviously can't speak for the others.

The other names are Kobe Bryant, Master Yi, Edward Nigma, Master Yi and Zaphod Beeblebrox (me)

On September 01 2013 12:10 Stutters695 wrote:

If I can go meta I'd bet it's VE. Yi always was a favorite of new players(got my first penta on beta Yi lol) and I remember him asking a bunch of questions when the LoL mafia thread popped up.

More seriously though he did say he could work with town or scum so we might want him to explain what he means in BM before trying to out him.

On September 01 2013 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
geript town guys.
Not voterigger, some role that switches all the votes on you to another target.
lol BH again victim of the lynch

On September 01 2013 14:56 AxleGreaser wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

So was there a good reason you had your vote on Shioapi right at the end of the day?

When it was already clear you had expressed your preference to Lynch Shiaopi but it was never going to happen?

On September 02 2013 05:02 Clarity_nl wrote:


Shiao is up there, I disagreed with his hiro case though.
There's a difference between reading flipped townies to get their insight and reading flipped townies and taking their word as gospel.
Comment on zentor please.

On September 02 2013 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote:

Umm....Is Zentor's idea of scum people who tried to 'save' Geript?

Why am I not on his list then?

On September 02 2013 05:11 Clarity_nl wrote:


Well zentor backtracked and said he doesn't know what he's gonna flip. How do you feel about that?
It's actually not 100% >.<

On September 02 2013 05:16 Dandel Ion wrote:

no
its genuinely really seriously 100%+ impossible that geript is town
and people should be seeing that by now


but people should also see how scum kita is, but instead i'm treated to people puking into the thread

On September 02 2013 05:17 MrZentor wrote:
The mafia had more to lose this lynch than normal, so they probably would have taken more risks this time, which would have included voting for the other candidate.

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 02 2013 05:19 mkfuba07 wrote:

Could you explain this to me? Trying to think about him just wraps me up in a bunch of wifom.

On September 02 2013 05:22 MrZentor wrote:


If everybody except for the people voting for geript abstained(equally distributed their votes among the other players), geript would still die. Mafia needed for people to vote for felkyr to save geript, which is why abstaining is more acceptable.


+ Show Spoiler +

On September 02 2013 05:20 WaveofShadow wrote:

Wait hold on a sec.
Why would any mafia bother voting for anyone else at all if they knew Geript was going to just change everybody's vote to BH?
What did mafia have to lose at all?

On September 02 2013 05:24 MrZentor wrote:


WOOWWWWWWWWWW, does anybody read my posts, at all?

On September 02 2013 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS i think Zentor is saying mafia tried to push Felkyr lynch BEFORE it was sure geript will get lynched.

On September 02 2013 05:42 MrZentor wrote:


Assuming geript is mafia, there are two possibilities for the end of the day, because scum are going to use geript's ability if scum is about to get lynched.
1) A townie gets lynched.
2) Geript uses his ability

Let's look at this from scum's perspective.

Beginning of day: Things are going well.

Half way through the day: OH NO! People are voting for geript, we should start voting for another candidate so he doesn't have to use his ability!!!!

Eight hours later: Yay! Felkyr nearly has as many votes for him as geript does!

Four hours later: Agh people are voting for geript!! We had better switch quickly!

End of the day: We should have geript use his ability instead of dying. If we had known from the beginning that geript would have to use his ability regardless of what we did, we wouldn't have tried to save him. But WoS doesn't understand that the mafia can't predict the future

On September 02 2013 06:16 ShiaoPi wrote:
i have come to deliver bad news. stop stupid associationstuff. we did not even have a lynch. also if pikachu thingy is townaligned it would be great to tell us about it.
btw dont shoot the messenger, he totes innocent

On September 02 2013 06:27 Dandel Ion wrote:

lately I transitioned into claiming SK to make people think it's lylo when it's actually not

On September 02 2013 06:29 ShiaoPi wrote:


You will soon know what it means

On September 02 2013 06:34 cakepie wrote:
wassup guys

---

Zentor, I see I'm not on your "I just pulled this from the voting summary" lazy list (which you refuse to narrow down). Maybe you missed it but I (briefly) voted Felkyr, it just isn't reflected in the voting thread. You want to add me to that list, or state why not?
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+ Show Spoiler +

HiroPro you seem to have known something about the importance of the player list positions even before we saw BH's lightning rod ability and Onegu's list bus driver. What's up with that?

---

@clarity you're not the only one confuzzled by Dandel + the unsubstantiated town reads ppl have on him.

On September 02 2013 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ShiaoPi and WoS are you reading the thread? Why are you commenting on Pikachu thing?

On September 02 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm not so concerned about the pikachu thing as I am with you being a messenger of some sort. Also we DID have a lynch yesterday, so your 'message' really doesn't make a great deal of sense aside from the stopping of association tells regarding Geript, which I agree with.

Any reason why we shouldn't lynch you tomorrow Shiao?

On September 02 2013 07:39 AxleGreaser wrote:


You left one out



he claimed scum? Huh?

If geript is town how is him redirecting the lynch after derailing the thread all day by intentionally playing to his scum meta actually a free lynch for his faction(in this unlikely scenario town)

If geript is scum how is him redirecting the lynch a free lynch? I try never to believe anything a scum says but after he flips i strongly suggest people read what he said again. When i read his filter during the day trying to decide his faction it was largely so WTF that I couldnt. I suspect it may make more sense when read with no doubt in your mind. in particular if he flips scum makes sure any disinformation he managed to insert + Show Spoiler + gets purged from your mind.



This one worries me too.
Geript: I'm going to keep on pulling shennanies until the fate hits the limit where I turn off...

Q. Even if geript is scum who rigged the Lynch? and how many times might they be able to do that. I posit once? but hey this is GM game so I have no fing idea.

On September 02 2013 12:55 austinmcc wrote:
gg dead bros.

VE died and flipped black but no role. This is portant. Could everybody in Black Mesa QT please post, and people report back to thread if any pseudonyms don't show up? Gives us a clue of someone who was unknown and in BM, and maybe indicated that BM don't flip with roles? Will do what I can to set aside paranoia concerning that for now, but if VE was the guy who claimed 3P in BM chat, that seems kinda nice.

If everyone in BM shows up, we know there's some other faction, but if someone specific is missing, we maybe know that VE was BM and maybe BM don't flip (could be someone in BM just not posting to make it seem like they're VE, which would be mean).

Still minorly interested in geript's thought process. I'll read hiro and some other folks when I'm more functional. Been scum with scumhiro a couple times, don't know that I have any super insight into him though.

On September 02 2013 13:31 austinmcc wrote:
You just aren't Chezinuing hard enough. I have seen zero posts in which you claim to be a bank.

On September 03 2013 01:16 Onegu wrote:
Post from Black Mesa

Our claimed third party would like me to pass along the message that

I've got following role on Shiao: He is Kanti, Lord of the Black Flames. 

Also there is a green check on shiao pi.

On September 03 2013 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't remember kita doing anything but setup speculation. I agree that he does not look pretty atm.

So WoS is the pokemon dude! rofl, WoS can you confirm that?

On September 03 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS talk to me please, this is important!

On September 03 2013 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote:




So Oats is one. Please explain it though.
Anyone else?

On September 03 2013 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Fuck.
My obsession is that i want to find the other dude to be sure they are town! That helps us.

ShiaoPi: Why did you mason WoS? Why did you not mason him on D1? Is your mason ability multi-use?

SnB: I actually think you are the pokemon dude from your stance on me when i had the conversation with Hassy early on D1 and your wording of "i choose you randombum" on D1. Am i correct?

On September 03 2013 01:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oats are you this retarded as town too? Because I can't remember.

On September 03 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Yes.

On September 03 2013 08:01 kitaman27 wrote:


I make this post in honor of VisceraEyes.

VE is no stranger to death. In fact, he has a history of dieing five, ten, or even fifteen times in a single LoL game. But even so, he has always given his life for a better purpose. Sure, that purpose is usually to feed the enemy team, but isn't solving world hunger the most noble of causes?

As teamliquid mafia's most experienced player, it is clear a little bit of each of us lives on through his play. VisceraEyes has managed to adopt prpl's ability to be mislynched, RoL's fits of rage, Coag's all cap tendencies, chenzinu's coherency, and BC's general ineptitude all into a single scum hunting machine. He even may have inherited a bit of Kita's good looks.

All joking aside, VE left us far too early this game. As we gather in this time of mourning, I shall speak for him, for he cannot.

On September 03 2013 09:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Why would he lie about that as mafia, though?

On September 03 2013 10:08 kitaman27 wrote:


S&B was 0/3 with his suspicions of BH, VE, and myself and his response to dandel about how he will "do the opposite of all those anti-town things you just mentioned" was a bit unnecessary to say.

You deciding that I was town based on my BM discussion was just as concerning however.

austin is quite possibly mafia based on his suspicion, but unwillingness to follow through, which is essentially what he was attacking me on.

I really wish the thread didn't die for the last five hours. There are so many people like Risen that are being completely ignored.

On September 03 2013 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:


nah dude, I don't see scum trying to save a third party/town this early. I wouldn't want to lynch hassy.

On September 03 2013 10:31 VayneAuthority wrote:


that makes zero fucking sense. You realize that would still be an action right? And kita claims his role reveals ALL actions. Why didn't we see any dice rolling going on then over there?

On September 03 2013 10:33 VayneAuthority wrote:


ok? and everyone is saying that the action was somehow tied to VE dying. so why didn't we see the dice roll action on VE?