EPTHopefully I get a role I understand a use for unlike the toy maker in NWM lol.
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Hopefully I get a role I understand a use for unlike the toy maker in NWM lol. | ||
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Do I need to go read aperture 1 before this to know what I'm getting myself into? Lol | ||
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Also now I think you're a bastard host :p | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote: No it doesn't? Unless you consider Black Mesa a scumteam. But we know nothing of them @Koshi, Turns out the amulet wouldn't be SUPER awesome on me, but it would still be good. Turns out I can't attempt to do stuff for which I don't have the resources It still says that other assignments may exist. Interesting rayn takes that to mean a second scum team exists for sure though. | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Have you played/read other Aperture games? Because that's exactly what Black Mesa is. And kitaman very well knows that. Can you link to the black mesa thing from previous games? | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't remember if it was necessarily Black Mesa, but Aperture mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120 VisceraEyes call tell you more about this. :D kitaman played in that game. I only see one scum team there. Am I missing something? | ||
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On August 31 2013 00:47 Felkyr wrote: At this exact moment I wouldn't lynch anyone because I didn't hear of some people and others have been away for a long time. Most of what I read now seems like useless stuff. That being said, I find Slam suspicious, but I'm not familiar with his usual play (who is The Taciturn One?). Can I ask you the same question Stutters? You. I'm pretty slow to roll out reads but your intro posts have said nothing but came off as you trying to not be identified as a lurker. I don't like it. | ||
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I'm town aligned in Black Mesa also. I'm like 99.9% certain Onegu is town due to this wording "I win with town, but it tells me to be careful in qt as apature science may have infiltrated it. In the QT we know of a 3P but he claims his wincon is something he could work with either town or scum and still achieve. | ||
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On September 01 2013 09:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Is that not what he did? Now I have to go back and re-read. Just to clarify this real quick while I catch up again if you're town and BM you weren't given a pseudonym. Obviously can't speak for the others. The other names are Kobe Bryant, Master Yi, Edward Nigma, Master Yi and Zaphod Beeblebrox (me) | ||
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On September 01 2013 10:53 Felkyr wrote: Hmm, I didn't think Onegu was a good kill before. I believed his claim, but that might be because others (Oats you say?) defended his claim and I read those defenses. I don't know... what Onegu said does make sense, if it went that way. And Stutters backed it up. So if Onegu would flip not-what-he-claimed, we're sure Stutters is that too, right? Are there no more town aligned people in BM who can support them? Or would it be bad for them to claim? GN too. I don't understand what you're saying about Onegu not flipping what he claimed. Can you explain? | ||
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On September 01 2013 10:16 Koshi wrote: Yeah well, he is indeed always super ultra lynchbait. He has to roll scum one day right? #yolo I have never seen Onegu do something like reveal an entire Mason group for nothing. Also Oats calling him confirmed Town for telling the thread about the BM? Nha. Onegu is a good kill atm. I feel it in my bones. I'd agree with you if BM was doing anything productive. However between accomplishing nothing at all(practically just him and I posting) and the speculation that BM is a scum group I don't think it made any discernable difference except clearing the air and revealing a 3p which I think was a net positive. That is a pro-town move imo. | ||
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On September 01 2013 11:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright that means my list IS relevant to finding out who the claimed 3P is. If I can go meta I'd bet it's VE. Yi always was a favorite of new players(got my first penta on beta Yi lol) and I remember him asking a bunch of questions when the LoL mafia thread popped up. More seriously though he did say he could work with town or scum so we might want him to explain what he means in BM before trying to out him. | ||
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On September 04 2013 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Again clarity ignoring the obv scum. Why do we care that we lynch the scum without any powers? We lynched scum. THATS ALL THATS IMPORTANT. Clarity knows this and thats why hes scum this game for not wanting to lynch geript for doing antitown stuff and playing antitownlike. COME ON GUYS. sheep oats pls. I'd say wait until geript flips red. If that's the case we strongly consider lynching him, if scum also lose a KP with the flip, we auto-lynch. | ||
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On September 04 2013 02:45 Clarity_nl wrote: "I have a scumread. Clarity has a scumread. I'm convinced my scumread will flip red, Clarity is convinced his scumread will flip red. Clarity wants to lynch his scumread over mine. If my scumread turns out to be scum, Clarity is scum" Oh the web of logic, you caught me, I am trapped. Cute straw man, u scum dawg? | ||
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On September 04 2013 03:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Your point is that I'm "attempting to move the wagon away from geript" right? I can use the same argument on you that you're moving the wagon away from alakaslam by pushing geript. Ofcourse both are false. It wasn't so much a strawman argument as it was me making fun of your read. I'm clearly town. My only point was Oats read isn't worth following unless Geript flips scum and then if there is a drop in KP it looks really bad for you. | ||
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We can't let him live or we'll have a repeat of today. | ||
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On September 04 2013 23:48 strongandbig wrote: Also - I want to note, the role shiaopi is claiming (mason recruiter) was a scum role in aperture 1. If the green check on him is still anonymous, I'm starting to really doubt it given how little shiao has actually done since getting it. Town dt shouldn't claim yet - for sure - but I don't think we should be ignoring shiao because of the anonymous green check. It isn't anonymous, just hasn't been said who checked in the thread in case BM doesn't have a scum in it. Without saying too much to reveal their identity, sanity hasn't been confirmed. | ||
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On September 05 2013 02:53 strongandbig wrote: i guess that's a good idea since last time the "house chezinu" qt all were told that there might be scum in their QT but there actually were none. But all the people in the QT know the actual name of the person who claimed the one-shot DT check? i guess that becomes interesting if they turn up dead... anyway what do you make now of the hiropro/third party claim thing? do you think hiro is actually in blackmesa? In order of how you asked things Yes, anyone in the QT knows who claimed the cop check. If that person dies one of us will reveal who did it. Can't say more currently on that but the check seems very genuine, only question is sanity. I don't know if Hiro is in BM however I think we know the identity of Yi (not VE). His answer before the 24h mark in d3 will determine if we reveal his presumed identity. Can't say more on it but he can be very pro-town if it is Yi and if he doesn't cooperate we can ruin his wincon(or a separate 3p if it isn't Yi). Sorry for being so non-descript, but the use of BM has become a lot more apparent after the n1 actions. Do you know who "bunny" might be referring to? | ||
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On September 05 2013 03:49 austinmcc wrote: AND BY "THAT", I AM REFERRING TO THE RELATIVELY LARGE PICTURE OF A BUNNY ON THIS VERY PAGE. Dwarfs are cute so I'll allow it. Ain't got nothing on my old albino bunny though. | ||
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On September 05 2013 03:49 Clarity_nl wrote: Oh right they were seperate... I think I'm just gonna ignore everything that comes outta BM until we get something concrete though. Yeah, that's probably for the best. I know who did it and it really does seem like he checked him but I wouldn't trust it enough to clear him until the guy talks about his sanity. | ||
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On September 05 2013 04:01 Clarity_nl wrote: Why is everyone talking about bunnies? Because they're cute and adorable. | ||
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The cop check on ShiaoPi wasn't a 1 shot, they lied in case there was scum in BM. 2. There is a sleeper cell in this game. He added me night 1 and asked me to shoot "bunny". I assumed that Austin was the sleeper after that picture and attempted to shoot Ala. Either he was proted or Austin is not the 3p. Take that how you will. | ||
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He recruited me, he knows who I am, I don't know him (assuming Austin now tbh). He can send a message at the start of the night and we vote on who to shoot.If we agree, we fire 1kp at them. If he's a compulsive recruiter tomorrow night we vote with 3 and all have to agree, etc. Ala was my vig of choice and I missed the part of him being immune since I haven't been super active. | ||
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Onegu claimed to have watched Kita last night and found that SnB, Ala, and Mr.CC all visited him. Food for thought. | ||
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Also, why did you choose me to add n1 knowing how transparently I play as town and my general lack of missing crumbs/low activity level. There was no way I would have caught on to the bunny thing without an in thread interaction and I feel like you would have realized that. And just so it's out there and you understand this, sorry if this messes up your plan but I'm not going to be shooting just off of your suggestion unless I believe that kill benefits town. So hopefully your wincon can | ||
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Coag it's d3.. what are your talking about? | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote: You said the third party in Black Mesa claimed his role - was it Vayne? No. Sorry if I worded that poorly. The 3p claimed to know ShiaoPis role name and today he referred to me by my role name so I believe him. And he's still alive so couldn't be Vayne | ||
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On September 08 2013 05:09 cakepie wrote: I don't know if or how these codewords are inspired by something or not but MAN IS THAT ONE RATHER APPROPRIATE CODEWORD FOR HIS ACTIVITY/USEFULNESS haha I am also tickled to be crossfire because =cohost lol </silliness> See this and then P147 in N2, and then P150-P151 should get you caught up with the basics of what happened here while you were in closed casket I think wrt alignment i believe stutters said something about there being no wincon change when he got recruited. that's why I'm only going to shoot towards someone who I think is scum or otherwise a good vig shot. | ||
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On September 08 2013 06:08 austinmcc wrote: Part of it is yesterday. I see posts that make sense, but don't really go anywhere, and the aim of them does not read as moving the game forward, to me. I also did a quick check over last night's kills, saw that name pop up in a couple filters but without any followup and generally not as a major major target. It was interesting to see something that just floats around like that and never really really takes off, but is always on the back burner. solid reasoning. I noticed something similar reading him. I'm in. | ||
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On September 08 2013 07:59 austinmcc wrote: Wrote out a cool explanation, then realized if I die you guys will see my full role and understand some stuff. If I don't die, I still want to hold a few cards. To the people in my cell, I have set things up so there should not be a shot. Do not be alarmed by that. Stutters, if your target is shot and I am dead, then ... look at my list. The guy who is SEVEN slots beneath your target is very likely mafia. You will know why based on my flip. To the other guy, if your target dies, something is screwy, because stutters is almost almost almost certainly town. So you don't think my target is scum then? | ||
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At a glance it also appears risen is telling the truth and he isn't Yi. Need to think on that though | ||
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First: I learned Cakepie was Prof Oats last night. He got role copped last night by Yi. No grand conspiracy. Saying what I did was to see reactions. Second: It seems like a near certainty scum have an insider in BM so revealing this will only help since I expect to die anyway tomorrow night. This is based on Risen being shot. I announced in BM that I was attempting to check Risen immediately after his claim to verify my sanity. Coupled with another thing I can't reveal without giving away the mechanic it seems pretty likely there is a scum. I am Doctor Kliner. I'm a list based cop with two conditional OTU checks in addition to the normal one dictated by list positions. I haven't used either OTU yet, but won't say more on that until they're burned because I don't want scum to plan around it. Obviously I'm asking for protection tonight (without an attached RB)to at least use my most powerful check. If I'm perm-RBd now it still frees others to use their roles. | ||
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First, I don't think Cakepie is the other trainer. I'd expect Oak to be a 3p or town who interacts in some way with the battles. I didn't expect to die, but if I did it was relatively inconsequential because there was no way Onegu and I were both dying and on flip it would have been obvious I was talking about myself. With the near confirmation of scum in black mesa and Onegu dying this is the perfect time to claim because I'm dead without protection and I lost my synergy which was the only reason I withheld using my OTUs. | ||
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On September 09 2013 23:02 cakepie wrote: Also, stutters, any insight into this, despite the lack of austin death+flip? Nope, I think I learned something from it, but nothing of any value to the thread (potentially another member). Since his plan didn't fire I'm as in the dark as you are. | ||
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On September 10 2013 00:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, okay, cakepie claimed. So Stutters you're saying you believed cakepie to be the other pokemon trainer (you knew his rolename was oak) and more townie than rayn, therefore rayn scum. Then cakepie claims to be Oak (as you knew) and it changes your read on rayn? No, I knew cakepie wasn't a trainer. Notice how I said another pokemon role, not trainer. I wanted to see how people would react. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: We are not lynching a dude who has un-cc'dly claimed shooting Coag. I am not even thinking about it Austin. Tell me why do you have to shoot exactly randombum? What's the logic? Please answer the random part Austin. | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i get shot one of my pokemons die. Same (i would assume) with the other guy. Alright and are you notified if you kill one of his outside of seeing it faint in thread or would you not know until you battled the next pokemon? | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know the actions that take place every PC and the results. Therefore i know if i am shot or if the other guy attacked and killed my pokemon in action. Cool, thanks. Just trying to run through scenarios involving the sleeper cell shooting him. Austin are you informed if your shot is successful? | ||
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On September 10 2013 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would i not do it? I can't do that today either way, they have to pick a new one and only during night actions happen. Oh right, you'll be immune to KP anyway since you still have pokemon so disregard that. I was thinking how we could ensure that random is dealt with in some way given the worst case. But it should work out. | ||
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On September 10 2013 06:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: So you're assuming Rayn is town here? It's a pretty safe assumption. If the other trainer was town(assuming one exists and he's actually not just battling RNG) when the other trainer killed his Pikachu he would have masoned someone because going 1 for 1 with Rayn is totally worth it. And if Rayn was lying and gave no power with the death, he'd still claim because then Rayn is lying and more than likely scum. | ||
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Probably should have pieced together that such an exploitable role wouldn't exist but with your night post about how cakepie would be scum if x happened, I figured it had something of a DT type role and that sold me on the validity of it. Does anyone have any advice for managing the work-load of reading a big game? Every time I play in one it's so hard to catch up after not being in thread for a bit. Then by the time I read that and had some thoughts ready some crazy new thing went down and I had to reread. Wasn't even really sure where to start with scumhunting except my gut in a game this size. | ||
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On September 12 2013 02:42 GreYMisT wrote: A question to Black Mesa: This is the second game I have done involving the player list moving around. Did you enjoy trying to manipulate the list towards your own ends while having to deal with unknowns like scum in the mason chat? I enjoyed it, but there were a couple issues which fixing would make it better imo. We had no idea how changes to the list resolve(I apparently had priority over some other actions because n1 my check didn't hit who I wanted it to and Shiao was 2 slots below me instead of one). After that I stopped trying to understand it. Not necessarily a full list of cop then watcher then other list modifiers or whatever, but even if I wanted to plan with Onegu to set up ourselves for a check/watch on someone, it was still a toss up. The other issue with Black Mesa was there was no incentive to post in it, at all as town with the pseudonyms. With scum possibly in it, planning wasn't reliable because you'd be announcing what you were doing. The best we could accomplish was establish scum was in there, which doesn't do anything with pseudonyms. I probably wouldn't have posted in there period had Onegu not outed himself, except maybe for a will post. Not sure how to fix that one other than requiring real names if you post, but then scum has no incentive to post in it at all. Maybe something like they get a vote to either give a power, a mini-election to give vet status or something like that. Overall the game was a blast, thanks for hosting. Cross I disagree about not claiming to BM, but I'll have to type that up. Regardless, thanks for the analysis. | ||
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